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[Help] Not sure what to do.

I posted this in the general Q&A but got no opinions. Maybe you guys can lend some unbiased help.
So I've gotten myself into a pickle. Let me start this by saying that staying on AT&T is not an option for personal reasons.
Current situation: HTC Inspire 4G with an unlimited data plan on AT&T.
Living in NY metro area with great coverage.
Got the green light from AT&T to cancel my contract with no ETF if I want.
Hopes & Dreams: Have a great phone on a future-proof network (LTE for example) while guaranteeing myself unlimited data.
Obviously I have a lot to weigh here:
AT&T's acquisition of T-Mobile.
I feel like this is pure bad news if I were to stay with AT&T or switch to T-Mobile. If I stay AT&T, prices are sure to go up, and sure I keep my unlimited data, but the network is going nowhere fast. 4G is bull****. 3.5G at best. All in all, the real innovation and envelope pushing just isn't happening here.
Verizon's LTE & Tiered Data.
From what I hear, the speeds are gorgeous. I checked and I'm in a hot coverage area. But I also hear indoor coverage sucks, and the LTE > 3G handoff is sloppy and leads to service drops.
Then there's the tiered data. I'm sure if I were to wait too long, I'll miss the boat on unlimited LTE data. Hence the reason I feel I need to make a move soon.
Sprint.
Short & sweet: Is the 4G good? Phone selection ramping up any time soon? What's hot now? The Pre 3 looks amazing, but if it'll be on Verizon, I'm not sure what Sprint may have to lure me in.
MetroPCS.
Just kidding
Anyway, any and all input is appreciated. I'm just not sure where to go and how.
Keep in mind I need to do the carrier change by May 4th.
Thanks!

Sprint 4g is about as fast as my current att phone 300kb/s to 600kb/s at best but indoor penetration well there is none
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Go with the new metro phones my friend gets 12kbps download . Blazing fast!
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Go with the new metro phones my friend gets 12kbps download . Blazing fast!
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That is quite a predicament.
I don't know too much, but I'll see if anything I do know helps:
My friend is on Sprint 4G (with the Evo) and his speeds are about what mine are (avg ~2.1 mbps down) in the middle of Indiana, so that says something.
I'm really not a fan of Verizon. Sure their service coverage is better but customer service is just as bad as AT&T and you can't use data and voice at the same time (something I depend on)
Just my input, hope it helps.

Go with Verizon you can use data and voice at the same time at least on the Thunderbolt
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I have three friends who purchased the Thunderbolts the day they came out. Two love it, the other hated it and returned it within a week because the battery sucked and it was "buggy". The one that returned it is longtime android users so it wasn't android that was the problem. I personally think the phone is awesome, and you can get a goofy looking extended battery so if the only concern is battery life it isn't really a problem. I am in San Diego and the down and up speeds are literally in the 20mb range every time they speed test those things, makes the 3mb down on the Inspire look pretty shabby.
If I did not have 4 phones all with data plans at varying stages of renewal on my contract I would probably make the switch.
My only question is how in the heck did you get out of your contract?!?!?!

Funny that I see this. I'm more or less in a similar situation. I recently renewed from an out-of-contract state and got the Inspire, but I'm still within my return window.
First, let me say that there's no such thing as a "future-proof" network. Remember that commercial with Ozzy and Justin Bieber? It's only a matter of time before someone comes up with a 5G, then a 6G... and so on.
Furthermore, I just found out there is no industry standard for what constitutes a 'G' anyway. So it gets down to throughput, and how much of it you need for what you do. After that is price and hardware, not necessarily in that order.
I think it all depends on what you need the most. I agree that Verizon's speeds are screaming where you have good signal. But I read an analysis which said that on average AT&T's network is faster in the majority of areas. IOW, if you travel outsize a Verizon 'hot zone', their speed is on a par with, and in some cases slower than, AT&T. So where Verizon has them beat in 'hot spots', overall in daily use for those of us who travel around (or live in a more rural area), AT&T might be the better choice.
Don't kid yourself. Verizon isn't exactly looking to rock the boat pushing bleeding edge technology either. they're not inclined to invest money that they don't have to, or create more customer service issues than they already have. So that "future proof" network you're looking for won't be found at Verizon any more than you'll find it at AT&T.
I have no comment about Sprint or MPCS other than the fact that having traveled all over the country for business over the years, AT&T had the most consistent service for voice (which is my primary need) than even Verizon. Besides, it seems you already answered your own question regarding Sprint or MPCS. If you plan on venturing outside an urbanized inner-city area, you're pretty much screwed. After all... hellooooo... it's METRO pcs, not Pocono pcs.
Let me share with you what I'm inclined to do.
I love the Inspire, but when I saw the HTC Sensation is coming to Tmo, I had a moment of pause (as you did) and thought to return it and wait. But as you noted, with AT&T buying Tmo, there's a lot of 'if' on that plan to jump ship, since there's no saying when the two companies merge that I won't be forced into another phone. Or that the Sensation will get 4G speeds when the networks converge. Or that the bootloader will be cracked so I can install an unbranded ROM. Or that you will be able to use the Tmo phone on the merged network... lots of variables there.
If there's a reason why you just can't stay with AT&T and the Inspire, then I'd say Verizon is your next best choice. But given the Thunderbolt is nearly identical to the Inspire, and Verizon is more expensive for buying the phone ($175 vs. $50), it's your choice on whether the enhanced (but not always faster in all cases and in all places) data speed is worthwhile.
And of course we all need to remember that a contract is only 24 months. It goes quick. Not like it's a tattoo where you're living with it for the rest of your life.
Hope this helps...

[Q] 2GB Data plan on Infuse

Guys, I am doing research on data usage per month. I used to have the unlimited data plan until I downgraded to 200MB when I used blackberry. Now I am using infuse and I cant go back to the unlimited data plan. I am wondering if 2GB is enough for a month.
Following are things I do with my phone daily:
8am-5pm - at work with no wifi, I would like to stream slacker radio or pandora the entire 8 hours. streaming 2-3 10 minutes video. checking social networking site and always online on Meebo.
after 5pm - I use wifi all the way.
I do not know how many MB each 10 minutes video and how many MB for streaming music from radio. I know checking social networking like twitter and facebook and Meebo would not be as large as streaming media from internet.
Any thought?
Thanks.

you should take a look at this post.
Unlimited Data For Anyone! (AT&T) [IPHONE 2G REQUIRED]

I am a noob. could you guide me step by step thru the process? I greatly appreciate it.

well to start your going to need an iphone 2G the one with the silve back and black bottom.
your going to pop in your sim card and activate it thru itunes. master reset the phone if you have too.
then once you check on line and your on the iphone 2G unlimited, call and have them change you over to the 4g personal unlimtied for 30 bucks. and your set.

so any iphone 2g will do the job? would ATT question me? If I understand it right:
1. get any iphone 2g
2. master reset it (why master reset?)
3. plug my CURRENT sim card to iphone 2g
4. download itunes and install it
5. activate the iphone 2g with my the itunes
6. and I am lost...

When I make a call to ATT, would the sim card needs to be put on the Infuse or keep it in Iphone 2g?

seems you got it right. and a master reset so that the phone knows it needs to be activated.
when you call att simply say that you need to get switched over to unlimited 4g because you have the wrong plan on your line.
btw has your sim card ever been activated with a iphone before?
you should really read the first post. in that link everything you need to know is there.

I had activated iphone 3GS 1.5years ago. I upgraded my plan for 3GS and sold it and changed my plan to blackberry 9700 in the 2 weeks after I upgraded (more exact, novermber 2009). I used blackberry data plan since then til may 15th 2015. would it be a problem?
Does master reset really necessary?

i guess you havent read the post...
IT HAS TO BE A IPHONE 2G
if your sim card has been activated with an iphone before it wont work
and yes it would be neccessary. how else would you get the phone to recognize that it hasnt been activated? master reset.

"Hey guys just upgraded to Atrix liking it so far! Never had unlimited data before but couldn't justify having it without unlimited data so been researching the current loophole and just wanted to share what I found out.
1) You must have an iPhone 2G, and a sim card that has never been registered to an iPhone 2G before
2) Hard reset the iphone, put in your simcard, and register the iPhone 2G in iTunes. You will be asked to confirm you agree to $20/month unlimited 2g data + 200 text messages.
3) Check online account to see if plan went through, or call 611 and confirm.
4) Find a CSR that will change your Iphone 2g plan to unlimited smartphone personal. I tried over the phone multiple times and they kept on saying they couldn't do it since the unlimited plan didn't exist before June 2010. I was about to give up but went to a retail location and the guy did it on his computer.
5) Enjoy your unlimited data!
NOTE: Whatever you do DO NOT let them change your data plan off the iPhone data plan. If you lose that plan you need a new simcard and to start over. I think I may have had more difficulties cause I am on a business account, but it still worked!"
Ah.. I see.. I will be able to do it then since the I never register this sim card with IPHONE 2G. So, just let the sim card be in the iphone until all the process completed and switch to the Infuse, right?

i had a rather compliacted process. but yes i left the sim card in the iphone 2g until i got my atrix at the time. then just called in from that phone to have it changed over to the 4G personal unlimited

I have to use AT&T because no other carrier gives reception where I work. A 2GB per month cap for a "4G" smartphone is a F* joke. But, the 4GB (tethering) plan is $5.00/month more than the 2GB plan with 2GB of overage fees. Can't win on AT&T as a consumer. I'd be on Sprint if I could.

http://www.afterdawn.com/news/artic...ome_iphone_owners_unlimited_data_option_again
this was the offical word on unlimited back in january. if you had an iphone and are still on the same phone number/contract then you should be able to get it back.
i personally think the att plans are fair. the overages are fair. and sprint cant compete with att data speeds, or coverage. also sprint phones throttle data. they advertise that they dont but they mean the network doesnt, the baseband firmware does. att wont throttle data.
sprint may be cheaper but att is much better imho.

Dani897 said:
http://www.afterdawn.com/news/artic...ome_iphone_owners_unlimited_data_option_again
this was the offical word on unlimited back in january. if you had an iphone and are still on the same phone number/contract then you should be able to get it back.
i personally think the att plans are fair. the overages are fair. and sprint cant compete with att data speeds, or coverage. also sprint phones throttle data. they advertise that they dont but they mean the network doesnt, the baseband firmware does. att wont throttle data.
sprint may be cheaper but att is much better imho.
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wow way to justify the crappy plan. I wonder how fast people would hit the pathetic 2gb limit when they launch LTE phones, its gonna be a joke, they better have 10gb limit for those plans, lol. No way people stay under 2gb with a 4g LTE phone, I cant wait to find out how many customers they loose because of this, if they don't raise their data limits for the LTE plans.

ha i thought the same when i was about to get the 2 GB cap.
then i found the thread on XDA on how to get unlimited again.
im currently going on close to 4gb

nkd said:
wow way to justify the crappy plan. I wonder how fast people would hit the pathetic 2gb limit when they launch LTE phones, its gonna be a joke, they better have 10gb limit for those plans, lol. No way people stay under 2gb with a 4g LTE phone, I cant wait to find out how many customers they loose because of this, if they don't raise their data limits for the LTE plans.
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how would faster transfer equal more data usage? i only use 500mb a month, i use it only as needed and i connect to public wifi when available. it's not that hard to manage data usage, also data usage is controlled by the user, having faster data doent mean that the phone downloads more stuff. only if you are a real internet junky should it make a bit of difference.
whatever if it's not enough for you i can accept that but i still think it is fair. there are many other things att is good for. if i went with t-mobile or sprint i would never have service, if i went with verizon my data speeds would be around 100kbs in my town. att doesnt throttle, overages are fair, try going over on data with an older verizon contract, they charge per Mb. att would need to impliment throttling to handle unlimited data plans and they arent willing to do that.
if you need 5-10 gb a month then go on sprint or verizon and tell me what your data speed is after you have downloaded 3gb that month. this is a phone, not a home internet replacement. i can deal with 2gb

Dani897 said:
how would faster transfer equal more data usage? i only use 500mb a month, i use it only as needed and i connect to public wifi when available. it's not that hard to manage data usage, also data usage is controlled by the user, having faster data doent mean that the phone downloads more stuff. only if you are a real internet junky should it make a bit of difference.
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It can actually be pretty difficult. AT&T doesn't give you the tools to do it real time and they can't even monitor it accurately according to a recent lawsuit.
Faster data = more incentive to USE it and therefore go over. The fact is, small overages come in when data speeds are increasing and becoming very useful. It's stifling and disgusting to insist a 200mb data plan for $15 is reasonable. It's ****.
there are many other things att is good for.
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Yeah....... their reliable network? Lack of dropped calls? Excellent customer service? Great treatment of android devices? Cheap prices? oh wait, no.
att would need to impliment throttling to handle unlimited data plans and they arent willing to do that.
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I thought you said speed didn't affect usage?
if you need 5-10 gb a month then go on sprint or verizon and tell me what your data speed is after you have downloaded 3gb that month. this is a phone, not a home internet replacement. i can deal with 2gb
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My data usage this month so far:
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My speed tethered to my laptop:
It's safe to say that the grass is in fact much much much greener and more comfortable on verizon. You have no chance of touching those speeds in the first place. We pay the same for data, my plan is $62/month after employee discount (FAN type thing), I never drop calls. This is consistent (and honestly a bit low, must be the ALPHA gingerbread radio i'm using).
You're also quite mistaken about verizon's data policies as you can see.
You're defending a company with terrible practices and terrible service and I don't think I can understand why.

eallan said:
It can actually be pretty difficult. AT&T doesn't give you the tools to do it real time and they can't even monitor it accurately according to a recent lawsuit.
Faster data = more incentive to USE it and therefore go over. The fact is, small overages come in when data speeds are increasing and becoming very useful. It's stifling and disgusting to insist a 200mb data plan for $15 is reasonable. It's ****.
Yeah....... their reliable network? Lack of dropped calls? Excellent customer service? Great treatment of android devices? Cheap prices? oh wait, no.
actually yes since they replaced the radios on the towers in my area i havent had a dropped call, i have had nothing but good experience with the customer service, there is no unusual treatment of android devices, verizon has been know to change search engines as well, sprint and verizon charge to tether, sprint and verizon have more useless bloat, if you really look at what you get you see they are all comaparble. att hate is a bit misguided. and my bill is no more than it would be on sprint and the customer service is better. maybe t-mobile would be great if they had better coverage but they dont.
I thought you said speed didn't affect usage?
it does when it is soo slow that it pisses you off and you give up. not the case on 3g without throttling.
My data usage this month so far:
My speed tethered to my laptop:
it is great to see you are a heavy user, but this does not represent a cross section of america, maybe att is too limited for you, im not saying it is not. but you dont represent the majority of att's customers.
It's safe to say that the grass is in fact much much much greener and more comfortable on verizon. You have no chance of touching those speeds in the first place. We pay the same for data, my plan is $62/month after employee discount (FAN type thing), I never drop calls. This is consistent (and honestly a bit low, must be the ALPHA gingerbread radio i'm using).
You're also quite mistaken about verizon's data policies as you can see.
You're defending a company with terrible practices and terrible service and I don't think I can understand why.
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verizon has ****ty data coverage in my area. i have thought about switching many times. i understand lte is superior. but i cant get it on any network except metro pcs in the ghetto of newburg. also they needed to mirror att's plans because of there reputation for being over priced. they didnt want to scare off the att customers coming over. the insurance is much more expensive and they lie in their advertising. 15% vetrans discount my ass, they advertise it with no stipulations and when you go to the store they say you need a government email, have to apply online and it can be 8%-15%. i told att about verizons discount and they gave me a military discount i wasn't even entitled to get with no pain or argument. just a photo copy of my government id card that clearly indicated i was a vetran not an active duty member.
if verizon is better for you then go for it, i dont care but with all the att hate i feel people havent looked at all the facts. sometimes att is better in one area of another. i can get 7mbps on att. on verizon i see under 1mbps on my friends phones, there is no contest there being that the billing is identical for people still on the old iphone plans

They will have to pry my unlimited data plan from my cold dead hands.
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[Q] When upgrading to the skyrocket did anyone else lose unlimited data?

I am a premier business account holder. When upgrading from Inspire to Skyrocket I was informed that my unlimited data was no more... LAME. Anyone else have this happen to them? I am thinking of starting a class action against AT&T - The option online enabled me to select unlimited. I have this documented on paper (unlimited option selected) when I received the new phone from online purchase. Any other information from other customers will be vital. LET'S GET OUR UNLIMITED BACK!!

I read previous threads about this from people
good news were that some people reported they got it sorted by calling at&t support
I suggest you search these messages before you call, and good luck!
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You can keep your unlimited plan, but now that they scammed you off of it its gonna be hard to get it back
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I kept my unlimited when I switched from iPhone to skyrocket. Call them and give them hell and they might put it back on your account. They scammed you, others got hit too.

There is no LTE unlimited packages being offered yet. I had an unlimited package too on the Premier business, but had to go with a 2Gb or larger plan for "4G" Data.

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There is no LTE unlimited packages being offered yet. I had an unlimited package too on the Premier business, but had to go with a 2Gb or larger plan for "4G" Data.
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Available no, but you can be grandfathered in from a previous unlimited data plan. I have UNLIMITED LTE, but i do get throttled after 5gb every month.
Heres the statement on my bill:
Unlim data for 4G LTE Smartphones w/Visual Voice Mail $30.00
Proof on bill:
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I had unlimited text and data on my BB9700. When I got the skyrocket the store I went rolled my plan over to LTE. Only to find out a few months later that they were going to start throttling unlimited data. What BS is that!?
Had a feeling they would do away with UD at some point but not in the middle of a contract.
At the time I read about a lot of folks that didn't get to keep their unlimited going from HSPA+ to LTE. Its like a lot of stores have their own policies and standards.
Now with ATT, I get great reception though and I don't really use enough data most of the time to get throttled but it is the principle of the matter! You could bet your bottom dollar that if YOU tried to alter the contract, it would be a different storry all together.
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Lost my unlimited data too. Went from an iPhone 3G to skyrocket.
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catapilla said:
I am a premier business account holder. When upgrading from Inspire to Skyrocket I was informed that my unlimited data was no more... LAME. Anyone else have this happen to them? I am thinking of starting a class action against AT&T - The option online enabled me to select unlimited. I have this documented on paper (unlimited option selected) when I received the new phone from online purchase. Any other information from other customers will be vital. LET'S GET OUR UNLIMITED BACK!!
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I would say if you have the means...a class action lawsuit sounds like an option.

I didn't have unlimited but I was grandfathered to a plan. I had concerns that my data and what not would be changed as when ordering over the internet my skyrocket. They had only three options to pick from and none of them were the option I currently had, and they all costed more. So I called AT&T and they said to just choose what ever and because I was Grandfathered to just call them when I received my phone and they would switch it back at that time. So I received my phone called AT&T to have them set up and switch my phone back. The women kept telling me that It was impossible for her to switch it back. I argued the fact that a AT&T representative told me I was grandfathered to a plan and they would switch it back. She put me on hold and told me she would talk to her Supervisor. After being on hold for about five minutes she comes back and tells me no you cant do it. I told them I probably wouldn't even have upgraded, if it was not for them telling me they would switch it back. She tells me that I could send the phone back with in 30 days and they would refund me how ever the charge they charge for early termination would take effect and that is about 100 more than what I had paid. I was so pissed I just hung up the phone. At&t so used to dropped calls must have thought we were accidentally disconnected calls me back. I hung up with one of the messages on the phone so they would get a clue that I actually hung up on them. When my bill comes if they did not fix it, in which I imagine it wont be. I will be calling them again demanding to talk to the supervisor my self.

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There is no LTE unlimited packages being offered yet. I had an unlimited package too on the Premier business, but had to go with a 2Gb or larger plan for "4G" Data.
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Available no, but you can be grandfathered in from a previous unlimited data plan. I have UNLIMITED LTE, but i do get throttled after 5gb every month.
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Exactly... now, everytime I make the most minimal change to my plan, I always ask "will that change my plan?", "will I still keep my unlimited data plan?". And of course, I do it in stores, so I can check what they're doing. Also, physical store or phone transaction I always get the name, talk to them very personally, so that they are aware "if you screw me up, I KNOW WHO YOU ARE." .
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I didn't have unlimited but I was grandfathered to a plan. I had concerns that my data and what not would be changed as when ordering over the internet my skyrocket. They had only three options to pick from and none of them were the option I currently had, and they all costed more. So I called AT&T and they said to just choose what ever and because I was Grandfathered to just call them when I received my phone and they would switch it back at that time. So I received my phone called AT&T to have them set up and switch my phone back. The women kept telling me that It was impossible for her to switch it back. I argued the fact that a AT&T representative told me I was grandfathered to a plan and they would switch it back. She put me on hold and told me she would talk to her Supervisor. After being on hold for about five minutes she comes back and tells me no you cant do it. I told them I probably wouldn't even have upgraded, if it was not for them telling me they would switch it back. She tells me that I could send the phone back with in 30 days and they would refund me how ever the charge they charge for early termination would take effect and that is about 100 more than what I had paid. I was so pissed I just hung up the phone. At&t so used to dropped calls must have thought we were accidentally disconnected calls me back. I hung up with one of the messages on the phone so they would get a clue that I actually hung up on them. When my bill comes if they did not fix it, in which I imagine it wont be. I will be calling them again demanding to talk to the supervisor my self.
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That's the worst! Exactly for that reason is that I do what I stated above... from now on, always make sure to get the name, and the most info possible from whoever is "helping" you, so you will always know who said and did what, and if there's any issues, you can always say "Mr John Doe told me 2 days ago you could switch my plan back".
Of course, on the other hand, if the impossible happens and someone actually does help you, having their names means you can actually be grateful and tell the supervisor or the survey "Johnny Doe was really helpful!"

R4INS said:
Available no, but you can be grandfathered in from a previous unlimited data plan. I have UNLIMITED LTE, but i do get throttled after 5gb every month.
Heres the statement on my bill:
Unlim data for 4G LTE Smartphones w/Visual Voice Mail $30.00
Proof on bill:
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^^^This^^^.

Spent 2 hours on the phone with tech support from somewhere probably in the philipines or something.
Anyways I got an early upgrade to the skyrocket (i was due in jan, I got the phone the release day i november) and had to wait for them to change my data to LTE, then get their supervisor to add back unlimited. but in the end everything worked out better than expected.

I would demand a mouth to rape. I'm a "premiere" customer and I still have "funlimited" LTE. I've been ATT since '02. If they dodge you keep asking for a supervisor until you decide the mouth is pretty enough to rape. I upgraded over the net and no one said a thing. 866.499.8008.
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promiseofcake said:
I would demand a mouth to rape. I'm a "premiere" customer and I still have "funlimited" LTE. I've been ATT since '02. If they dodge you keep asking for a supervisor until you decide the mouth is pretty enough to rape. I upgraded over the net and no one said a thing. 866.499.8008.
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NOT cool man! Choose your words with some degree of thought!
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When I moved from iPhone in November, they let me keep my unlimited plan. But the guy had his supervisor come over and check to make sure be did it right. He said that once you are moved off of the unlimited plan, there is no way to get it back. I told him that it was a terrible policy and he better get it right or he would lose a customer. Only reason they didn't lose me in the first place is cuz i wanted this sweet phone!
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Att is just awful about this stuff. They overcharge our bill without fail every month. It shouldn't be my responsibility to figure out how much i owe them. Absolutely ridiculous. also, since they said you were going to keep unlimited they will give it back.
I have to start every conversation with customer support with the question: "First off, I need to know, are you smart or dumb?"
....................................... hmph.
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I don't think that it's just one or two carriers... It's just about ALL of them.. You get a new phone & they suggest or convince you that you MUST have a new data plan... It's not enough that you pay for the new phone, they don't want to leave a single penny on The Table.
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shaggyskunk said:
I don't think that it's just one or two carriers... It's just about ALL of them.. You get a new phone & they suggest or convince you that you MUST have a new data plan... It's not enough that you pay for the new phone, they don't want to leave a single penny on The Table.
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Yeah I've heard that it's not too good with any other carrier either.
It just comes down to finding the employees who are NOT robots. They're the ones that tend to actually try to fix things. One time I must have went up 5-6 levels of managers before I found one that would give me a price match for the Skyrocket. She didn't even do the pricematch, she just waived the restocking fee and the activation fee so I could return my phone and purchase it from somewhere else (where it was 100 bucks cheaper). So silly.
While we're on the topic of how awful people are.... how would you guys suggest going about resolving this problem (will be in the photo). I've never seen anything like it.. not sure if customer rep. could do anything about it.

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Yeah I've heard that it's not too good with any other carrier either.
It just comes down to finding the employees who are NOT robots. They're the ones that tend to actually try to fix things. One time I must have went up 5-6 levels of managers before I found one that would give me a price match for the Skyrocket. She didn't even do the pricematch, she just waived the restocking fee and the activation fee so I could return my phone and purchase it from somewhere else (where it was 100 bucks cheaper). So silly.
While we're on the topic of how awful people are.... how would you guys suggest going about resolving this problem (will be in the photo). I've never seen anything like it.. not sure if customer rep. could do anything about it.
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Does that REALLY say Drink Recipe??? I'd say WTF too!
Did you call them to find out what that's for?
I'd just love to hear their explanation... WOW!
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Data Speeds

Ok, so on my iPhone and Evo Shift...my download speeds are about .15-.55 (peak) down and .15-.25 up....but on my MoPhoQ LTE I get .75 to 1.4 down and .50 to 1 up....I think this is strange but my MoPhoQ says its connected to EvDo-rev.A:8.....not that I'm complaining about the higher speeds but it seems strange that its doing this...anyone experiencing this too?
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Not saying this is absolutely the reason, but its possible it could be just a coincidental timing thing....looks like Syracuse area at least has had some data speed/capacity upgrades in the last few months and more slated to come (note that this isn't Network Vision, or at least its not supposed to be, as I've read numerous places that the network.sprint.com site does not show the results of that work:
https://network.sprint.com/NY/Syracuse
Now, if your other phones are still active and you still get the results you mentioned on them, then the only other thing I can think of is simply that Motorola's phone radio is better than what's in your other 2 phones. I've also read that Moto tends to have better radio's in their phones.

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Not saying this is absolutely the reason, but its possible it could be just a coincidental timing thing....looks like Syracuse area at least has had some data speed/capacity upgrades in the last few months and more slated to come (note that this isn't Network Vision, or at least its not supposed to be, as I've read numerous places that the network.sprint.com site does not show the results of that work:
https://network.sprint.com/NY/Syracuse
Now, if your other phones are still active and you still get the results you mentioned on them, then the only other thing I can think of is simply that Motorola's phone radio is better than what's in your other 2 phones. I've also read that Moto tends to have better radio's in their phones.
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I'm actually in the Rochester Area but their server here sucks so I use the Syracuse server....anywhoo thats what I'm going to base it on...my Evo Shift is active and at the same time got .4 down when my MoPhoQ got 1 down...weird
Edit: not in Rochester area, Avon to be exact...but we don't have any past data upgrades / future upgrades so...it all seems kinda weird to me

Chalk it up to a better radio and enjoy your new phone

Yeah speeds are pretty nice on mine. Test the iPhone 4S(Sprint) with latest updates vs my Q on mobilespeedtest.com using stock browsers and Photon Q came literally 2x+ the speed each time in the same spot and 15 seconds downtime between testing.
Getting 210kbps on forced 1xRTT at my University, I do have data/call roaming enabled but I don't see the triangle.

Does anyone who switched from the Epic 4G qwerty (i.e. not Touch) have any experience feedback to share regarding any general signal improvement in areas or buildings where they typically had issues yo-yo-ing between Sprint and Verizon roaming previously?
If Roam Control doesn't yet work on this phone (which thus far I've not seen anyone but one person state so hard to confirm as an across-the-board universally accepted issue thus far), then I'd be keenly curious to hear if anyone has experienced any positive differences in such situations coming from the original Epic to the Q.

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Does anyone who switched from the Epic 4G qwerty (i.e. not Touch) have any experience feedback to share regarding any general signal improvement in areas or buildings where they typically had issues yo-yo-ing between Sprint and Verizon roaming previously?
If Roam Control doesn't yet work on this phone (which thus far I've not seen anyone but one person state so hard to confirm as an across-the-board universally accepted issue thus far), then I'd be keenly curious to hear if anyone has experienced any positive differences in such situations coming from the original Epic to the Q.
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I've never paid much mind to if it was roaming but both in my home and at work where the epic would struggle with 1/2 bars (I know the bars are a bad indicator) the photon q has three out of six at home and five out of six at work. Even works in the depths of walmart where my epic just flat out refused!

Thanks KP....the whole issue for me and what's keeping me on the edge from switching yet is either this or the ability to use Roam Control. The building I work in is horrible for cell signal at least on my Epic, I'm lucky to get 2 bars at best and left to its own vices, I'd constantly switch between Sprint and Verizon all day with even Verizon never getting beyond 3 bars.
It also probably doesn't help that I sit right on the other side of the wall from the networking/patch panel room. My coworker is on Verizon by default and has a Bionic and sits next to me though and doesn't seem to have the issues I do, which leans me towards thinking Moto's radios really are that much better in general as I've read elsewhere.
Anyone else with experience to share on the above, please do! :good:

I think you have a 14 day return window with Sprint. If you don't get much feedback, give the phone a shot and see how it works

Yeah, but do they revert you back out of the 2 year contract extension/renewal if you return it in a case like that? Because if they don't, that wouldn't be my first choice in terms of how to proceed...granted, right now as I type today, I plan to stick with Sprint, but if it didn't work out to my satisfaction and I ended up returning the phone, I'd prefer to keep my options open still.

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Yeah, but do they revert you back out of the 2 year contract extension/renewal if you return it in a case like that? Because if they don't, that wouldn't be my first choice in terms of how to proceed...granted, right now as I type today, I plan to stick with Sprint, but if it didn't work out to my satisfaction and I ended up returning the phone, I'd prefer to keep my options open still.
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If I read this correctly it looks like they revert everything back to how it was. Perhaps unless you have/had sero?
Return and Reactivate an old device
Are you an existing customer who recently upgraded to a new device with a new contract term, and want to go back to an old device and prior contract status? No problem, you can select the best plan for you from our current price plan options (your previous service plan may no longer be available to you) and return the new device for a full refund. The same return process and requirements for new customers apply. We will remove any credits or discounts received in exchange for your new contract term and restore you to your previous contract term and service plan (if available).

Also, I thought Sprint's return policy was 30 days? Someone correct me if I'm wrong...

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Also, I thought Sprint's return policy was 30 days? Someone correct me if I'm wrong...
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http://www.sprint.com/landings/returns/

Thanks a ton for linking that KP, I'd have never thought they'd let you revert back to your old contract status (I still have about 4 months left on mine). Now the only question I'd need to find the answer to is, if I purchase through Sams Club at the just under $75 price, would I have to return it and get that done there, or could I do so at my local Sprint store?
The closest Sams that carries Sprint phones to me is in Nashville an hour away and I just happen to be heading there this weekend doing some OT work, but I'd hate to make a trip all the way back there to return if it didn't work like I need.

http://shop2.sprint.com/en/shop/why_sprint/guarantee/exchanges.html
Equipment or accessories purchased from a 3rd-party dealer, such as Radio Shack, Best Buy, Wal-Mart or other Sprint-authorized retailers, including online retailers, should be returned to the original point of purchase. These 3rd-party dealer or retailer returns are subject to the 3rd-party's return policy.
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RETURN POLICY
This purchase does not qualify for in-store returns.
If you are not satisfied with your purchase for any reason, and it is in its original new condition, simply call us within 14 days of the activation or process date shown on your sales receipt to obtain a Return Authorization Number (RA number) and ensure that your phone is returned to our distribution center within 7 days of receiving your RA number. If you activated service on your device, it is your responsibility to cancel service with your carrier within 14 days of your activation date. All carriers offer a 14 day Satisfaction Period and any request to cancel service with a carrier must be made within that 14 day period to avoid Early Termination Fees.
So you would have to call Sprint and tell them to revert and call sams club, doesn't look like you have to return to the store.
Sorry for thread-jacking.

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Sorry for thread-jacking.
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Goes double for me since my tangential question off the original subject kinda spawned it in the first place. *g* Thanks yet again for the info KP.

was able to drive thru a 4g area today ran acouple tests while driving thru at 70ish on the freeway

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was able to drive thru a 4g area today ran acouple tests while driving thru at 70ish on the freeway
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Holy crap, that is as good as my connection at home.
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Holy crap, that is as good as my connection at home.
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No joke. Can't WAIT until Sprint's LTE is more widely available...

ya sucks its only in 1 area here right now and im not in it drove thru it barely got those 2 tests run on the 3rd it was already going back to 3g

[Q] Leaving Verizon Unlimited Data for T-Mobile and N5

So I've been really thinking of leaving Verizon and my grandfathered unlimited data to switch to T-Mobile and the Nexus 5. I am extremely reluctant to leave the grandfathered plan because I know I won't be able to get it back once I leave. I live in Los Angeles and T-Mobile has decent LTE coverage here. Thought it's still very sparse compared to Verizon. I would be switching over a total of 4 lines, 2 of witch have unlimited data. On Verizon I use about 15gb - 20gb of data (mostly tethering).
The main reason for me wanting to leave is cost savings and available devices. I'm tired of waiting on Verizon for updates to the limited amount of phones they do offer. It seems unless you have an iPhone you're at the mercy of Verizon (even the Galaxy Nexus couldn't resolve this).
I'm looking for anyone who has made the switch and how it's been going? Is it worth it? Any regrets?
I am currently testing a Nexus 5 on T-Mobile and love the phone! The service is decent also. I have a Moto X Dev Edition on Verizon which is no slouch either, but the guaranteed updates on the Nexus 5 are very appealing to me.

pablomoca said:
So I've been really thinking of leaving Verizon and my grandfathered unlimited data to switch to T-Mobile and the Nexus 5. I am extremely reluctant to leave the grandfathered plan because I know I won't be able to get it back once I leave. I live in Los Angeles and T-Mobile has decent LTE coverage here. Thought it's still very sparse compared to Verizon. I would be switching over a total of 4 lines, 2 of witch have unlimited data. On Verizon I use about 15gb - 20gb of data (mostly tethering).
The main reason for me wanting to leave is cost savings and available devices. I'm tired of waiting on Verizon for updates to the limited amount of phones they do offer. It seems unless you have an iPhone you're at the mercy of Verizon (even the Galaxy Nexus couldn't resolve this).
I'm looking for anyone who has made the switch and how it's been going? Is it worth it? Any regrets?
I am currently testing a Nexus 5 on T-Mobile and love the phone! The service is decent also. I have a Moto X Dev Edition on Verizon which is no slouch either, but the guaranteed updates on the Nexus 5 are very appealing to me.
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do it. i had verizon. but just the bare minimum. 2 gb of data. 450 minutes and unlimited texts. i was paying 90 a month and thats with a 22% discount. with tmobile im at 85 a month with unlimited texts and minutes. 2.5 gb of data with gets throttled down to 3g when i go over it
and thats not even counting my 15% discount i get from my job. verizon has good coverage but the money was just too much. and i didnt even have a crazy plan. since you tether you should be good

Sounds as if you have the answer. You're testing a T-mobile line and can do a direct comparison. I moved from a Verizon unlimited plan to the T-Mobile unlimited everything plan and have been happy with it. LTE coverage has been good where I live. The only difference I've seen so far is T-mobile generally has EDGE or GPRS when traveling highways outside of populated areas where Verizon might have LTE on the highways.

scottjb said:
Sounds as if you have the answer. You're testing a T-mobile line and can do a direct comparison. I moved from a Verizon unlimited plan to the T-Mobile unlimited everything plan and have been happy with it. LTE coverage has been good where I live. The only difference I've seen so far is T-mobile generally has EDGE or GPRS when traveling highways outside of populated areas where Verizon might have LTE on the highways.
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It will be gone soon just hold on, atleast its better than Sprint

I did the same. I never had any complaints about Verizon service and loved the unlimited data but even with a 25% discount it was still expensive. I was also tired of their strict device polices. I always had to make sure the next phone I got was hackable before purchasing just so I could run a current version of android. The fact that I'd also have to pay full price for each new phone just to keep unlimited sealed the deal. If I'm going to pay full then it'll be for the device I really want. Not the limited, locked down devices they offer. I've been using TMO unlimited. In my area, it's fine for the most part. I have good coverage in the places I spend the most time and the data speeds are good. The only time I miss Verizon is on the rare occasion that I'm traveling or in rural areas. In those cases I may be stuck on 2G or no signal at all. Overall, it was worth the switch.

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I did the same. I never had any complaints about Verizon service and loved the unlimited data but even with a 25% discount it was still expensive. I was also tired of their strict device polices. I always had to make sure the next phone I got was hackable before purchasing just so I could run a current version of android. The fact that I'd also have to pay full price for each new phone just to keep unlimited sealed the deal. If I'm going to pay full then it'll be for the device I really want. Not the limited, locked down devices they offer. I've been using TMO unlimited. In my area, it's fine for the most part. I have good coverage in the places I spend the most time and the data speeds are good. The only time I miss Verizon is on the rare occasion that I'm traveling or in rural areas. In those cases I may be stuck on 2G or no signal at all. Overall, it was worth the switch.
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You wont miss Verizon when you go out of U.S

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... Sooooo Lol
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We made the switch last month from big V to T-Mobile and are glad we did. Better service faster speeds and lower price, plus the ability to use a pure Google phone without any carrier bs. it was pure win for my wife and I.
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I guess the thing that worries me is the coverage. I've been carrying around both phones for a week now and I've been doing speed tests almost everywhere I go. The result is Verizon consistently has higher speeds (for me pegging out at about 57mbs). Now I don't know if that really translates into Verizon being "better". Do I really need all of that speed if all I'm doing is streaming netflix or youtube and tethering? Or is that speed only relevant if I'm downloading things?
Thank you all for the input you've given so far.

I made the same switch yesterday and couldn't be happier. Bought two nexus and am glad I did. Best part is we bought them flat out. Just have to pay 80 and taxes and fees. service is excellent and call quality is superb. I don't mind staying with T-Mobile for a little bit but plan on switching to Aio because it's cheaper and more data per month.