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Stop killing android, carriers.

Cnet just put up a review of the Motorola Atrix, one of the most anticipated smart-phones. AT&T has blocked the ability to download 3rd party apps . "You can't install third-party apps" and goes on to say "No change of heart on third-party applications, as that feature is disabled on the Atrix."
Google's(andy rubin) response is to say let me market decide. I truly agree with this statement but when the carriers are in power (two year contracts) it doesn't let the market work. General consumers dont know know the difference between android phones. Consumer assume since they are getting an android phone, all android phones are the same. This blocking of 3rd party apps creates a bad user experience and users will blame android and not the carriers.
( http://reviews.cnet.com/smartphones/motorola-atrix-4g-at/4505-6452_7-34468396.html?tag=rvwBody )

Nice find. With that in mind, RIP Motorola.
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Agree. Its a disgrace. Its a open source os yes. but dont kill core functionalities. Its giving people a bad view on android. Apple would scream bloody blue murder if that happened

That's AT&T for ya!

tangstang said:
That's AT&T for ya!
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various other carriers around the world too.

But they're going to try and make the bootloader dev friendly, right? Don't make me lols.
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TheForgotten said:
various other carriers around the world too.
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I see the rogers in your avatar.... oops, I'm current on the US carriers but as far as the other carriers around the world I'm not 100% up to speed. So screw all those carriers too!

Yea it sucks when they do it but, well you know they must get a cut from doing it.
If they didn't there wouldn't be so much fragmentation on the market.
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With that in mind, always buy unlocked phones!

unbelievable how can they come with such a thing
"- boss I have an idea to boost sales: let restrict users from installing third party apps..."
"- this is a stoning idea! let's do it... "

This is pretty horrible when you buy a phone and expect it to function like every other phone that has the same OS.
With maybe Telecom's actually trying to invent their own App stores, this may be ATT's push into that direction.

copius said:
This is pretty horrible when you buy a phone and expect it to function like every other phone that has the same OS.
With maybe Telecom's actually trying to invent their own App stores, this may be ATT's push into that direction.
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sure, in Europe orange is doing the same.

BazookaAce said:
Nice find. With that in mind, RIP Motorola.
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RIP Motorola indeed. I bought the original Droid day it came out...Now I have the X and it's not the same experience (Of course until I changed Roms and multiple other things). But I was perfectly contented with the original, but in order to get that I HAD to change it. Verizon force fed me apps that I simply did not want. So it's also not just ATT.

and that is why we have XDA Developers... right?

Omnichron said:
and that is why we have XDA Developers... right?
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Amen my friend! Before this forum I was lost and confused. XDA provided me light and guidance in the land of the lost known as MotoBlur. I found a map to the world of FlyX and apeX and others.
Thank you XDA. Thank you so much.

RIP Motorola

We can get past this.

What's with all the " RIP Motorola " Hackers, modders, overclockers etc probably account for less then 4% of the market. They are going to make money regardless with the Atrix being the first Dual Core phone released...it will do plenty well, no need to worry guys, lol.
As for the 3rd party apps being locked, honestly, how many people here who will (most likely won’t) admit that you bricked your phone doing something silly and then used the “ manufacture’s warranty “ to replace it? Good for them for locking it down if noob’s jump in head first without knowing what they are doing. It might even bring the cost of phone’s down and bring down that ETF! I don’t care to pay for anyone else’s mistakes. Download the app to your computer and transfer it to your phone if you want it that bad.
Motorola is not going anywhere and they have top quality devices. In my opinion, best on the market! Don’t be mad because you can’t afford one

Carriers are taking over Market billing and earn their cut, hence why they're blocking non-market apps. That said, it won't be long before Atrix is rooted and sideloading enabled.
Have little patience and faith in xda community, will ya?

I simply can't believe how US carriers get away with 2 year contracts. It's simply retarded how they take advantage of their customers.
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Why Viewsonic hates us

Viewsonic announced it's Honeycomb tablet @ 7 inches. Which means they have the HC source code... which means they hate the gtab community.... because we don't get it, even for modding purposes.
http://www.engadget.com/2011/05/12/viewsonic-7x-shrinks-honeycomb-to-7-inches-for-the-tiny-handed/

They don't hate the Gtab community. Don't try to anthropomorphize a corporation because you will only end up sad and depressed. All Viewsonic wants is to make money by putting out products and then putting out more products. We are numbers, not faces.

Fair enough. I suppose I am a bit idealistic that they would continue to support something older. Perhaps more my frustration is the lack of source code when it could be given... but that it an entitlement mentality I suppose.

forgiventhief said:
Fair enough. I suppose I am a bit idealistic that they would continue to support something older. Perhaps more my frustration is the lack of source code when it could be given... but that it an entitlement mentality I suppose.
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stop caving because one person says something!!!!
and to the user that commented to the OP, thought the info you stated (numbers, not faces) is true, STOP ACTING LIKE IT'S ACCEPTABLE.
To many 300 to 500 dollars is a lot of money and the company has a moral obligation to support it for a reasonable amount of time. This was in no way accomplished by viewsonic. Horrible business ethics and I WILL NEVER BUY ANOTHER VIEWSONIC PRODUCT. you vote with your purchasing power and viewsonic lost mine, my family's and my friend's votes.
as an aside, I suspect seeing all the progress made viewsonic might try to "save the day" and eventually release something for our g tab honeycomb flavored. I'm not fooled and you shouldn't be either. Your support should be for the devs like roebeet. If your running honeycomb and you haven't donated to him or the adamdevs you should feel worse than viewsonic.
vote with your money, I VOTE FOR OUR DEV COMMUNITY!
(before I get any posts about talking about donation, donation doesn't imply 3,000 dollars. Even if it's only a dollar, it says something.)

You do realize viewsonic just slapped their name on the Malta, right? You're mad at the wrong company.

schettj said:
You do realize viewsonic just slapped their name on the Malta, right? You're mad at the wrong company.
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Doesn't matter, though. As soon as VS slapped their name on it, they've adopted it.
The way VS is treating the gtab is worse than just numbers. They have intentionally ignored it, not giving it any press or anything at all. There isn't even a direct link to the gtab from their main website.
The gtab is doing way better than other "real" VS devices. It's the number 1 seller on amazon for goodness sake. I'm still baffled why VS isn't putting more energy into the gtab. It's like they don't even wanna mention it.

I think it is a way to get more people to move to their ViewPad line and off of the GTab. I will not switch to their new line just because they put 3.0 on it. Our Devs will get a port over to the GTab and it will blow their new line out of the water. Shady tactics if you ask me.

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Doesn't matter, though. As soon as VS slapped their name on it, they've adopted it.
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But they don't have any code... they have no development resources. They have a brand name. Whooo.
Seriously.

goodintentions said:
It's the number 1 seller on amazon for goodness sake.
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Yes, it was for the week it was on blowout $280 clearance. Look, it's a great bit of first gen tegra2 tablet hardware with a dreadful screen that would make it unsellable at any price other than "half of what everyone else charges".
That's dropping under $200-$225 now, which is probably well below the breakeven point. So enjoy it, and support the hackers hacking away, but forget about any serious support for it from VS. You'll be much happier.

yes, the code for our G-tabs belongs to Malata, but so does the code for the Vega and the Adam. They are rumored to be at least getting official GB roms WITH hardware acceleration. VS is to blame for not providing us with that as well. If they do, but are keeping it hush-hush, I'll change my opinion.
Of course, Vega and Adam are running on the new 1.2 bootloader (always have been). Now VS teases us with an update that they pull, that is on the 1.2 bootlaoder? In essence, VS provided our devs, very briefly, with the tools needed to port any updates from Adam or Vega. So, while not actually giving us what we've requested, they are letting other companies, and third party developers do their work for them.
It may be that Malata has abandoned VS for their lack of support for the G-Tab, so Malata cut them off from future development releases.

snapz54 said:
and to the user that commented to the OP, thought the info you stated (numbers, not faces) is true, STOP ACTING LIKE IT'S ACCEPTABLE.
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I didn't say it's acceptable. In fact it makes me just as mad as it seems to have made you and I have made my opinion on that fact known many times on this board and the Nvidia developer board. I'm just saying that the people who want these updates are currently in the minority. I agree that we should get updates but we have to realize that might not happen. In fact I'd much rather use homegrown software from the fine developers on XDA, Cyanogen, and any other dev website that's working for better things for the Gtab than anything Viewsonic/Malata/Nvidia puts out anyhow.
This whole frequently updated software thing is new to the world. I mean think about Apple and Microsoft. Microsoft updated like once every five years. Apple was better, but in both cases users were made to pay for the updates. Now we buy these devices and expect free software updates indefinetly? Sounds good to me, but what about these companies? Where is the money for them? What incentive to they have to churn out more software at no charge to the customer? I'm just saying that there are two sides to this argument and both should be represented.

adampdx said:
This whole frequently updated software thing is new to the world. I mean think about Apple and Microsoft. Microsoft updated like once every five years. Apple was better, but in both cases users were made to pay for the updates.
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What color is the sky in your world?
The problem with Android is exactly the problem Google is trying to get a handle on....
Fragmentation.
When you leave updates up to the the hardware manufactures, you're guaranteed to screw your customers. Because the only way the HW guys make any money at all is by having the customer buy new hardware to get the shiny new features.
Hopefully Google will be able to beat these guys into submission, but I do feel for them... they thought they were getting in on a great thing with a cheap OS for their hardware, and instead they were turned into commodity manufacturers delivering Google ad revenue to Google. Ah well.

I'd much rather use homegrown software from the fine developers on XDA, Cyanogen, and any other dev website that's working for better things for the Gtab than anything Viewsonic/Malata/Nvidia puts out anyhow.
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But it's these updates that custom rom devs use to get the information they need to make their roms. If we ever get official hardware acceleration it will be bundled into one of the officially released updates. The drivers can then be added to existing roms, or future roms. The bottom line is that we NEED official updates if we are to ever get the G-tablet to reach it's full potential.
Now we buy these devices and expect free software updates indefinetly? Sounds good to me, but what about these companies?
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These companies, namely VS knows that they put out a crap product, in regard to software. In fact, they, at one point, directed their customers HERE for support for their device. They released a product in which the hardware outclassed the software. What we paid for was hardware, plain and simple. only recently have people actually said they're using stock firmware and it doesn't suck. Prior to the latest updates (3588 and later) I would suspect that everyone that bought a G-tablet, including myself, KNEW that they were going to have to flash a custom Rom. Just a few days ago, another 850+ G-tabs were sold on Woot, again. At one point it was the top seller on Amazon. VS has to save a little face and continue to support their software, and yes, provide updates.
Fortunately for VS, Notion Ink seems more interested in updating their product for us...of course, VS had to sneak in the 1.2 dev branch that's shared by the Adam.

some good points have been made, but none of the ones supporting VS have been valid.
slapping your name on something instantly slaps responsibility on you, this "passing the buck" mentality is a big part of whats wrong with the world. Everyone can blame someone else and nothing gets done.
The consequences in some small part are now realized. Myself and others will not support viewsonic in any capacity in the future. Actions like this catch up with you, VS is a horrible company that saw an opportunity to make a quick buck without a moments thought of how it might affect anyone.
stop supporting these type of actions, they are wrong.

snapz54 said:
some good points have been made, but none of the ones supporting VS have been valid.
slapping your name on something instantly slaps responsibility on you, this "passing the buck" mentality is a big part of whats wrong with the world. Everyone can blame someone else and nothing gets done.
The consequences in some small part are now realized. Myself and others will not support viewsonic in any capacity in the future. Actions like this catch up with you, VS is a horrible company that saw an opportunity to make a quick buck without a moments thought of how it might affect anyone.
stop supporting these type of actions, they are wrong.
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So you bought an $800.00 xoom?

snapz54 said:
stop supporting these type of actions, they are wrong.
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That would be "don't buy the product"
Since I wanted a device I can experiment with, and didn't want to spend more than $280, this was the only device available.
I bought it knowing what it was. An orphan device with no significant Vendor support.

i thought google said they aren't going to release honeycomb SDK? so doesn't that mean manufacturers are not allowed to release it?
but i guess if we buy the next VS tablet. we can port a honeycomb rom from that to the gtab.

ninditsu said:
i thought google said they aren't going to release honeycomb SDK? so doesn't that mean manufacturers are not allowed to release it?
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You're confusing SDK (Software Development Kit) with Source Code. That said, up to this point, Google has been reluctant to release the Source Code for Honeycomb for - what I can only assume is - the purpose of reducing hardware fragmentation and QA purposes.

schettj said:
What color is the sky in your world?
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Ha! Always good to get a laugh out of these heated discussions. As far as fragmentation goes, I agree. It's a problem that Google created and now they're trying to fix. I'm not sure I can imagine a world where there are several hundred different pieces of tech floating around from different manufactures that all use software provided by a singular, separate company. Oh, wait...that sounds like WINDOWS. He he... I wouldn't dare compare our beloved Google to the likes of Microsoft. Never.

schettj said:
That would be "don't buy the product"
Since I wanted a device I can experiment with, and didn't want to spend more than $280, this was the only device available.
I bought it knowing what it was. An orphan device with no significant Vendor support.
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Thank you. These things are on clearance for a reason. A lot of people here have unrealistic expectations. Companies don't make money by pouring resources into devices that nobody bought. I remember buying an Atari Lynx back in the day and only had it for about a year before everybody stopped making games for it and they were pulled off the shelves. I never once thought that Atari hated me.

Google acquired Moto for 12.5 Billion

How did this happen without anyone even getting a clue?
http://www.engadget.com/2011/08/15/google-acquiring-motorola-mobility/
http://investor.google.com/releases/2011/0815.html

Woah, this totally came out of nowhere.

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And ended up in totally the wrong place!!! Please, OP, ask a mod to move it, before someone else does.

just wow !!
interesting times

didnt see that coming

thank god. Android really needed this. Just hope that patent portfolio gets put to good use.

Really nice move, let's hope they're not gonna focus too much on Motorola phones

I think they will focus more on moto phones now compared to android os itself :-/. But u never no.
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I think they will focus more on moto phones now compared to android os itself :-/. But u never no.
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I don't think so, that should be stupid and Google it's not. But probably they will focus on Motorola devices

Realistically, this won't mean much for non-moto users. It looks like Google bought Motorola primarily for the patents to fend off Apple.
As far as favoring Moto phones, I have a hunch all the new Nexus devices will be moto, but it shouldn't have any huge negative effect on other brands.
If anything, it might lead to unlocked bootloaders across the board, if Google pushes for openness against the largest proponent of locked down hardware.

does this mean no more NEXUS!!!
and does it mean all motos will be AOSP?

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does this mean no more NEXUS!!!
and does it mean all motos will be AOSP?
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This will mean that Nexus is gonna be Motorola and AOSP

Already posted in the correct forum.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1219085

moto is still it's separate company. who knows what will happen, but if Google wanted complete control they would re brand moto as it's own company etc.
I hope they still keep other manufacturers happy. Never really been a fan of Motorola :/

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does this mean no more NEXUS!!!
and does it mean all motos will be AOSP?
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It will probably also mean Motorola phones get updates first. Shouldn't really effect us samsung users too much though

This is good news for Motorola and Google. Now for every trivial patent Apple has, Google has 10 solid tech patents.
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It will probably also mean Motorola phones get updates first. Shouldn't really effect us samsung users too much though
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I don't think so. This afternoon in a conference call both Motorola and Google have stated that it's bussiness as usual at Motorola. Motorola will not receive any different treathment and will continue to manufacture handsets as ussual. This means smartphones and dumdphones, altho current they only have the Gleam as a dumbphone.

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This is good news for Motorola and Google. Now for every trivial patent Apple has, Google has 10 solid tech patents.
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I don't think Apple's using any patented Motorola stuff.

google has stated it will not be restricting the Nexi to only Motorola phones.

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I don't think Apple's using any patented Motorola stuff.
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That's irrelevant. If they look hard enough they'll find some patent on which Apple "infringes", even if Apple didn't really steal anything. it could be things as simple as "Ability to make calls on a mobile device"

[Q] Is our phone already done?

With Lenovo's acquisition of Motorola Mobility, are we no longer going to receive updates? What's the future look like?

If Lenovo wants to make anything of it, they should be focusing on the updates for the newer phones and keeping the current customer base happy so we don't switch out to another company. Releasing new devices won't do much if people aren't happy with what we already have.
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I can't see them not updating these phones they are moto's flagships why would they not update them. They also have no other phones out that will compete with us at this time.

That's what I thought. I was harassed by a third-party retailer about Motorola not pushing anymore updates before they gave me the phone I kept asking for and they were almost forcing me to get a Samsung phone which I would absolutely HATE. It's like they know what's best for me, Samsungs are overrated and have poor quality anyways... I called BS and had to walk away but it got me wondering, "What if...?" Anyways, I guess they really don't have a reason to drop us so early.

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That's what I thought. I was harassed by a third-party retailer about Motorola not pushing anymore updates before they gave me the phone I kept asking for and they were almost forcing me to get a Samsung phone which I would absolutely HATE. It's like they know what's best for me, Samsungs are overrated and have poor quality anyways... I called BS and had to walk away but it got me wondering, "What if...?" Anyways, I guess they really don't have a reason to drop us so early.
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Yea if they want to make any sort of name for themselves they'll keep the updates coming and keep the existing customer base happy. Im pretty sure the deal hasn't fully gone through yet, so technically Google still owns Motorola for a little bit longer. Someone chime in if I'm wrong.
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Just my 2 cents but I kinda feel like our phones are losing love from not only the suppliers but the public. The devs losing interest cuz well most us on this forum are here cuz we like the exploits and rooting, being harder to accomplish that we see that community is just kinda saying screw it I got better things to do. I love the droid ultra and maxx, and I feel the Samsung line is a chick phone (just a personal feeling don't hate me for that remark) but saying that I also see the galaxy and note are booming with the exploits and possibilities. What if (my conspiracy theorists mode talking here) they wanna junk down the line of moto phones and lock em up tight so that we as consumers with that urge to break and root are only left to spend the extra cash to get Dev models lol
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@jayo Haha, I see Sammie's phones the same way! Anyways, Samsung doesn't try to lock down their phones like Moto has been since the Droid X days. And I think Motorola wants to aim at average consumers so interested devs should have to pay more which is kinda ridiculous since it's easier to produce a vulnerable bootloader. I wish Developer's Edition was available on contract, though. That tag is a huge hit... I'd rather pay it off over time.
Anyways...I thought the hardware was entitled to us? If we brick or screw up our phones, wouldn't that be good since we're spending more?

Essential up for sale, next phone cancelled

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...hone-maker-essential-is-said-to-consider-sale

shocker

We'll...
Like the stages of grief, I was initially frustrated and upset. After thinking about it for about 3 minutes, just about every possession I own is for sale, for the right price. Go get it Andy!

Kinda sad, was tempted to buy a ph-2. But now I'm happy I'll get a chance to buy a ph-1 when they go on fire sale. It will fit right in with my nextbit Robin.

this was a response from Essential that Android Police received
An official Essential spokesperson responded to our request for comment. Here's what we got:
"We always have multiple products in development at the same time and we embrace canceling some in favor of the ones we think will be bigger hits. We are putting all of our efforts towards our future, game-changing products, which include mobile and home products."
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Damm! I've been so looking forward to the new phone! I'm sure it would have been a much bigger success.
(another article about it, based on Bloomberg report https://www.theverge.com/2018/5/24/...ncels-phone-development-considers-sale-report )
So do I buy another backup one as there really doesn't seem to be an alternative.

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Damm! I've been so looking forward to the new phone! I'm sure it would have been a much bigger success.
(another article about it, based on Bloomberg report https://www.theverge.com/2018/5/24/...ncels-phone-development-considers-sale-report )
So do I buy another backup one as there really doesn't seem to be an alternative.
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yeah.. all the phone needs is oled screen and it would be perfect.. though the lcd is very good
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Do you think we'll still get continued support for the PH-1, as getting the security updates quick, and getting updated to the official release of android p?

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Do you think we'll still get continued support for the PH-1, as getting the security updates quick, and getting updated to the official release of android p?
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I was just wondering that myself.. let's hope the support continues for years to come. I have no plans to upgrade. Love my PH-1

I would not count on continued support for very long. You can’t hardly get decent long term support from phone companies that stay in business...

Sad day really. Especially the cancellation of the phone. I really believed the second one was going to get it right. I only had two problems with the phone: Low light performance of the cameras and poor signal strength (mostly indoors)
I don't think it would have been hard to improve in those areas for their next phone. He is giving up to easy.
P.S. won't be buying their other products if this is how it's going to go.
Maybe we need a petition started to give him more confidence.

It is sad, the Essential Phone had such promise. But sometimes in business "Promises" won't pay the staff or the bills. I was looking forward to PH-2, but now I am, I can't believe I am saying this, looking at the iPhone X.
I have use Android phones ,Nexis< from the beginning. Nexus left us in favor of the extremely expensive and hamstrung Pixel, I was really hoping Essential would fill that void, the one thing is the universe is constant "Apple" seems to always keep thing consistent.
Damn I need to call my therapist, its just a fuc____g phone...

Oh no. That's bad news. What a beautiful phone and not being continued.
First my wonderful Lumia, now the Essential.... Sometimes you wonder what it takes to break into this market.

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It is sad, the Essential Phone had such promise. But sometimes in business "Promises" won't pay the staff or the bills. I was looking forward to PH-2, but now I am, I can't believe I am saying this, looking at the iPhone X.
I have use Android phones ,Nexis< from the beginning. Nexus left us in favor of the extremely expensive and hamstrung Pixel, I was really hoping Essential would fill that void, the one thing is the universe is constant "Apple" seems to always keep thing consistent.
Damn I need to call my therapist, its just a fuc____g phone...
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I have the Essential and iPhone X. When it comes to size I constantly confuse the two of them. The Essential phone was the first Android device that felt like Apple quality to me. Can’t go wrong with either one.
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Damn, that really sux. This was the best phone I ever owned

sam2c said:
Damn, that really sux. This was the best phone I ever owned
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well, good thing for now is that we still own the best phone we ever owned.

derausgewanderte said:
Oh no. That's bad news. What a beautiful phone and not being continued.
First my wonderful Lumia, now the Essential.... Sometimes you wonder what it takes to break into this market.
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You jinxed it!
Don't buy a OnePlus 6 please...
Jk

Bummed on this one for sure. I've been impressed enough with this phone and especially the support to have considered replacing my wife's aging Nexus 5X with the second generation one (assuming the camera was better than the ph-1).
this feels exactly like what happened to me when Google sold Motorola soon after I bought my 2013 Moto X, which is still my all time fav phone. Google was supporting it (we got KitKat FAST) and then BAM the support was yanked out when the company got sold. I was starting to like this phone almost as much.

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Rumors.
From Andy:
"We always have multiple products in development at the same time and we embrace canceling some in favor of the ones we think will be bigger hits. We are putting all of our efforts towards our future, game-changing products, which include mobile and home products."
Where does that say the company is closing or that PH-2 is dead?
The article is from a confidential source.

tech_head said:
Rumors.
From Andy:
"We always have multiple products in development at the same time and we embrace canceling some in favor of the ones we think will be bigger hits. We are putting all of our efforts towards our future, game-changing products, which include mobile and home products."
Where does that say the company is closing or that PH-2 is dead?
The article is from a confidential source.
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Cmon dude he posted it as a response to the articles
"we embrace canceling some in favor of the ones we think will be bigger hits."
I think that is pretty clear, unless you're being intentionally obtuse.