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Motorola and social skills

After getting a lot of flak for selling locked down phones with crappy support from the company, things got a little heated and a Motorola rep told people that if they wanted hackable phones, they should buy them from someone else. Much outrage and Moto quickly told everyone that they REALLY loved dev's and rooters and much would be changed to make their phones more mod-able: http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/21/motorola-ready-to-make-sweet-love-to-rom-devs-and-rooters/
Sounds great, but a lot of people (including me) remained sceptical. We wanted to see it with our own eyes instead of just believing their good intentions, but hopes were high. Then last night, this popped up: http://community.developer.motorola...pment-for/Cliq-BlurCamera-apk-libs/td-p/11290
Wow, way to support your devs, moto! Notice the wording "One of our devices"... A lot of us were up in arms on twitter, but then MarkAtMotorola, their official spokesperson for social media, swooped in with this little gem:
@mastermind278 @adumont it was a poor choice of words. Had I known about it prior, no one would have seen a message like that.
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To which I replied:
@markatmotorola @mastermind278 @adumont So you're saying that it just wasn't supposed to get out?
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Expecting a polite disclaimer, I was rather surprised when MarkAtMotorola tweeted this:
@sorensiim @adumont @mastermind278 it was intended but the wording could have been chosen better.
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So yeah, "MOD EDIT: DELETED HARD LANGUAGE, but politely" is indeed the official attitude from Motorola towards their customers.
I'll start saving for a Nexus S, then my Defy will be up for sale. Sad, it was a great phone, but having to fight Motorola for control of a phone I PAID IN FULL is just wrong.

Yeah, I'm done. It's really a shame, they've made some good stuff. I'm going to see if I can craigslist my droid 2 and pick up an incredible and won't be going back to moto. Lol, I should've known better!

I agree but I still think that moto don't care about devs coz the vast majority of people who buy mobile phones don't even know what version of android they are on, never mind, whether they have an unlocked bootloader.
unfortunately they will still sell lots of phones

Correct. Not much will change as long as people buy.
I will have to work with the defy for at least a year..I can't afford to keep swapping devices. And I am not so sure about Samsung either. Most likely I will go with HTC for my next device. But at the time the Defy really was the best choice and I can work with it for now.
Higgsy said:
I agree but I still think that moto don't care about devs coz the vast majority of people who buy mobile phones don't even know what version of android they are on, never mind, whether they have an unlocked bootloader.
unfortunately they will still sell lots of phones
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Don't get me wrong, the Defy is still an awesome phone, but if I wanted a large corporation telling me what to do with the hardware I paid for, I would have bought an iPhone.

So very true!
Sorensiim said:
Don't get me wrong, the Defy is still an awesome phone, but if I wanted a large corporation telling me what to do with the hardware I paid for, I would have bought an iPhone.
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Higgsy said:
I agree but I still think that moto don't care about devs coz the vast majority of people who buy mobile phones don't even know what version of android they are on, never mind, whether they have an unlocked bootloader.
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This is quite true. Having a rooted android makes me a "computer hacker" according to my friends. They have no idea how to use an android to it's full capability like most people, and will bye Motorola phones because it's a Motorola phone.

Sorensiim said:
Don't get me wrong, the Defy is still an awesome phone, but if I wanted a large corporation telling me what to do with the hardware I paid for, I would have bought an iPhone.
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++ for sure. Its like I give you 500$ why do you have any right to tell me how I am going to use my device and what for? If I want to use it to make awesome calls or blow up small moons what business is it of Motorola's once they have got their money?

massive attack to ANDROID

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/go...e-attack-2011-04-22?link=MW_story_latest_news
massive attack to androd

u know the saying once ur on top everyone wants to knock u off.. But thanks for that great article.

Everybody suing everyone now days

movieaddict said:
u know the saying once ur on top everyone wants to knock u off.. But thanks for that great article.
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yeah man thats all about it

anthonys2r said:
Everybody suing everyone now days
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apple, those whores always tend to do that.... the the main suers ..**** apple

I hope no such thing as shutting down Android happens else Ima bomb the apple building
Android is waaaaaaay better than apple OS, sorry I like saying this again n again lol
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This is old news, regarding Oracle. That article would make you think Android is about to crumble, and that is not the case. At least he points out that re-writing the code, slightly, would make this go away.
Google has way too much power/$ to not fix this for Android, which has exceeded their expectations wildly.
In short, do not fret. Apple just being scared, as they should be.
Just like Jobs said recently via an email that Android is tracking people and that they do not.... ignoring all the articles about apple tracking people lately.
EDIT, haha, just noticed he said Symbian would likely benefit (which is dead).... sad considering how much Nokia stock I own (frown face)

The iphone makes up 50% of Apples revenue stream now so Android is a massive threat to their business. Totally idiotic for a company or that size to have most of their eggs in one basket if you ask me.
Personally i think competition is good and keeps the market honest, but all this patent trolling that's going on is just ludicrous. It's no better than kids fighting over marbles in the playground.

bosina said:
apple, those whores always tend to do that.... the the main suers ..**** apple
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This is not accurate.
All the big mobile companies sue each other in circles, it is not the fault of a single entity.

DirkGently1 said:
The iphone makes up 50% of Apples revenue stream now so Android is a massive threat to their business. Totally idiotic for a company or that size to have most of their eggs in one basket if you ask me.
Personally i think competition is good and keeps the market honest, but all this patent trolling that's going on is just ludicrous. It's no better than kids fighting over marbles in the playground.
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This also is not really accurate.
How can you compare a hardware/software vendor to a software vendor?
When google is able to claim it makes the hardware its software runs on, then you can start saying Android is a "threat" to apple.
Google and Apple are entirely different beasts. Apple makes money when it sells its hardware, it includes the software "free" with its devices and it has always done this with any of its products.
Google makes software for multiple vendors, and makes zero hardware.

Apple has always been pretty sue-happy, moreso than other phone/computer manufacturers.
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its their way of trying to slow down growth of its competitors. like tripping your opponent in a 100 yard dash as hes about to pass you.

Erra said:
When google is able to claim it makes the hardware its software runs on, then you can start saying Android is a "threat" to apple.
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Really? So more people buying Android smart phones and the market share slowly tilting to Android's favor is not a threat to the sales of the iPhone?
I guess Windows is not a threat to Apple since Microsoft doesn't make computers then, right?

I sue u
u sue me lol just keeps on going
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Erra said:
This also is not really accurate.
How can you compare a hardware/software vendor to a software vendor?
When google is able to claim it makes the hardware its software runs on, then you can start saying Android is a "threat" to apple.
Google and Apple are entirely different beasts. Apple makes money when it sells its hardware, it includes the software "free" with its devices and it has always done this with any of its products.
Google makes software for multiple vendors, and makes zero hardware.
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Isn't the nexus a Google device?
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i would like to add 1 small piece to this although apple are a hardwar/software vendor it does contract out to people like samsung , so this apple google is also apple samsung writ , android and samsung together is a bigger threat to apple and apple think by sueing (as most companys do and would do in the same situation) both samsung and google may slow them down or as is most likely with the release of all the new smartphones ie galaxy s 2 and new nexus phones will generate a feelling within buyers that apple sell a better product because others are copying , this is not a serious attempt to stop android but with the timing so close to may first release date for sgs2 is more of a marketing exercise , for instance when google lost a case recently they had to pay 5 million $ where as if they had payed for the licence out right may have cost them 50 million $ dont take these figures to seriously but you get the idea this is the way business works and will carry on working as has been said before apple will still buy from samsung google will still develop android licences will be paid for in one form or another and someone will use somebody elses idea to improve their own and tommorrow will be another day

Thank you for the information.

Erra said:
This also is not really accurate.
How can you compare a hardware/software vendor to a software vendor?
When google is able to claim it makes the hardware its software runs on, then you can start saying Android is a "threat" to apple.
Google and Apple are entirely different beasts. Apple makes money when it sells its hardware, it includes the software "free" with its devices and it has always done this with any of its products.
Google makes software for multiple vendors, and makes zero hardware.
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shinkinrui said:
Really? So more people buying Android smart phones and the market share slowly tilting to Android's favor is not a threat to the sales of the iPhone?
I guess Windows is not a threat to Apple since Microsoft doesn't make computers then, right?
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Erra completely misses the point but shinkinrui saves the day by pointing that out for me. Nothing more to say really.

psiops said:
...but you get the idea this is the way business works and will carry on working...and someone will use somebody elses idea to improve their own and tomorrow will be another day
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Well put!
(5 to go)

manemzjum said:
Isn't the nexus a Google device?
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Sort of, it's powered by google as all android phones are, but it isn't MADE by google, it is made by HTC, and the Nexus S is made by Samsung. Google works with the companies closely for these phones, but the phones themselves are not manufactured by google, and I'd be willing to bet google doesn't design the phones and pic the internal components to them either so much, they probably have some influence, but I'd be surprised if they had complete control when it is the manufacturer who stands to make or lose money on the phone based on sales.

Google buys Motorola Mobility - Thoughts?

So, I'm sure that everyone has heard the news. What are the community's thoughts on the merger?
Personally I think that, besides the obvious patent benefits, having their own manufacturer is going to escalate the development of our favorite little OS. Plus, its almost guaranteed we'll see a decrease in crappy bloatware.
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Edit: this is my first post,and I just realized this probably isn't the right forum for it. My apologies.

Google is taking over
Its another small step for expansion...cant wait to see whats next!

Gotta love all those patents

carltonhimself said:
So, I'm sure that everyone has heard the news. What are the community's thoughts on the merger?
Personally I think that, besides the obvious patent benefits, having their own manufacturer is going to escalate the development of our favorite little OS. Plus, its almost guaranteed we'll see a decrease in crappy bloatware.
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Edit: this is my first post,and I just realized this probably isn't the right forum for it. My apologies.
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To stop Apple and Microsoft these *****es are really hard to shut-up.
So Google think how can I stop these """motherfu:P()UYF pipe""
Google buys Motorola so Google is fighting back!!!!!!!!
Go Google Go Android!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

In my opinion, Google now have the hardware it needed to fill the gap with the iPhones. Now, Google can merge sw and hw to propose a better phone experience. Anyway, I suppose that Mototola cellphones will have a better impact on the Android OS and the others brand will be less powerful .... in other words, the next OS versions would fit better the Motorola hw than the other brands and I don't know how this could be good.

Why am I not surprised

The same **** they did to the g2x but with less handsets http://www.androidauthority.com/nex...focusing-smartphones-nexus-5-included-146707/
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projectzro said:
The same **** they did to the g2x but with less handsets http://www.androidauthority.com/nex...focusing-smartphones-nexus-5-included-146707/
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If the rumors are true, it wouldn't be a shocker at all. I've lost all faith in LG and Google at this point.

New2my8125 said:
If the rumors are true, it wouldn't be a shocker at all. I've lost all faith in LG and Google at this point.
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How did you keep the faith after their botnet browser?

projectzro said:
The same **** they did to the g2x but with less handsets http://www.androidauthority.com/nex...focusing-smartphones-nexus-5-included-146707/
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A Nexus 5 is not happening at mwc mainly because all nexus phones are released around new os releases. Key lime is not going to come out until June with Google's i/o conference. So if Google was to drop a new nexus phone it won't be until then. Unless we are going to be looking at an updated tablet instead of a phone which is very possible. So I doubt they are going to drop the Nexus 4. The Nexus devices have never been hot sellers when they've been released. The 4 had an unexpected response from consumers and that is probably why they didn't plan for higher production of these phones
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This saddens me. My G2X is on it's last legs (Broken digitizer, headphone port malfunctioning). I was hoping to get the Nexus 4.. The last time it was available in Canada, it sold out while I was in school. I do hope that this article is false so that I can get a Nexus phone before my G2X dies.

False rumor. I don't see how anyone could believe that.
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nightf0x said:
False rumor. I don't see how anyone could believe that.
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Probably because Google already said the Nexus 4 shortage was due to LG not producing enough product to keep up with demand? http://venturebeat.com/2012/12/17/google-nexus-4-shortage-apology/ So my guess is if LG can't manage to keep the Nexus 4 in demand they can say goodbye to being a Nexus authorized manufacturer in the future.

phitch said:
Probably because Google already said the Nexus 4 shortage was due to LG not producing enough product to keep up with demand? http://venturebeat.com/2012/12/17/google-nexus-4-shortage-apology/ So my guess is if LG can't manage to keep the Nexus 4 in demand they can say goodbye to being a Nexus authorized manufacturer in the future.
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LG should be disqualified from ever producing another Android OS phone, make that any phone.

Core Memory said:
LG should be disqualified from ever producing another Android OS phone, make that any phone.
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Why? Because they didn't expect such a large reception for there new phone? You do know that they are producing other phones as well right? They can't just halt production of there other phones for the Nexus 4. It takes a lot of coordination to get these phones to be even produced. It's not like they just press a button and it's made. You don't know the challenge on the back end of product manufacturing. They made a product that they were unprepared for since previous nexus devices never sold as well. So stop acting like they don't want to take your money
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psychoace said:
Why? Because they didn't expect such a large reception for there new phone? You do know that they are producing other phones as well right? They can't just halt production of there other phones for the Nexus 4. It takes a lot of coordination to get these phones to be even produced. It's not like they just press a button and it's made. You don't know the challenge on the back end of product manufacturing. They made a product that they were unprepared for since previous nexus devices never sold as well. So stop acting like they don't want to take your money
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It isn't just about the Noxious 4. LG appears to be unprepared for anything related to the phones it produces, especially support. You obviously haven't read enough about the multitudinous variety of complaints about LG, especially in the O2X, G2X and other LG phone forums on XDA and elsewhere. Being an apologist for LG doesn't get any sympathy or respect.

phitch said:
Probably because Google already said the Nexus 4 shortage was due to LG not producing enough product to keep up with demand? http://venturebeat.com/2012/12/17/google-nexus-4-shortage-apology/ So my guess is if LG can't manage to keep the Nexus 4 in demand they can say goodbye to being a Nexus authorized manufacturer in the future.
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LG is not producing enough because Google underestimated the demand for the phone. Google is the one to blame here. Read the nexus 4 forum here at XDA. LG's production capacity has growing.
Furthermore, why would the production be stopped? There's a huge demand for a product. The stupidest thing would be to stop production..
Did anyone read the original story where this came from? No where does it say that nexus 4 production is stopped or discontinued...

nightf0x said:
LG is not producing enough because Google underestimated the demand for the phone. Google is the one to blame here. Read the nexus 4 forum here at XDA. LG's production capacity has growing.
Furthermore, why would the production be stopped? There's a huge demand for a product. The stupidest thing would be to stop production..
Did anyone read the original story where this came from? No where does it say that nexus 4 production is stopped or discontinued...
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Nexus phones are available unlocked and cost much less than similar capability phones and are gauranteed Android OS updates for a minimum of 18 months and receive those updates before other phones. So, why would LG limit production? To not alienate cell service providers and to not undermine the sale of its higher priced phones.

nightf0x said:
LG is not producing enough because Google underestimated the demand for the phone. Google is the one to blame here. Read the nexus 4 forum here at XDA. LG's production capacity has growing.
Furthermore, why would the production be stopped? There's a huge demand for a product. The stupidest thing would be to stop production..
Did anyone read the original story where this came from? No where does it say that nexus 4 production is stopped or discontinued...
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Yeah, you must be right, because I have seen LG refute this claim... oh wait.

Core Memory said:
Nexus phones are available unlocked and cost much less than similar capability phones and are gauranteed Android OS updates for a minimum of 18 months and receive those updates before other phones. So, why would LG limit production? To not alienate cell service providers and to not undermine the sale of its higher priced phones.
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Can you show me where original source confirms this [LG limiting production]?

nightf0x said:
Can you show me where original source confirms this [LG limiting production]?
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The same source you got your information from.

Core Memory said:
The same source you got your information from.
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So no source is a source then? Since you don't know anything you must know everything right? Also the only phone LG is having problems with in the cell phone community is the G2x/o2x. The reason most developers say it's a problem is the Nvidia chipset. The reason people complain about the Tegra 2 platform is its lack of open source drivers and its sloppy hardware. Pretty much every issue we have are the same issues Atrix users are having. Considering how well LG's other phones are working you really have to blame Nvidia for this problem. They made the terrible hardware here and did a crappy job coding. So please learn about this stuff before posting. I'm sure you annoy a lot of dev's with all your posts.

Core Memory said:
The same source you got your information from.
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From LG at CES:
“Through our collaboration with Google, we launched the LG Nexus 4 smartphone. This is the first of many devices to come from our growing partnership with this very selective company.”
Please explain how that shows that LG is limiting/halting production?

nightf0x said:
From LG at CES:
“Through our collaboration with Google, we launched the LG Nexus 4 smartphone. This is the first of many devices to come from our growing partnership with this very selective company.”
Please explain how that shows that LG is limiting/halting production?
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If you read my post you will realize I was answering your question about why LG would limit or halt production of the Nexus/Noxious 4. An answer isn't a committment one way or another, it is just an answer to a question, yours. No one can definitively state what LG will or won't do. The G2x is an example of how untrustworthy LG is so why wouldn't it be with the Nexus/Noxious 4 too? The G2X was LG's "flags**t" phone not long ago, now it is in LG's trashbin. Whey wouldn't that happen to the Nexus/Noxious 4 or any other LG "flags**t" phone. Do you own a Nexus/Noxious 4? If not, why are you so emotionally committed to it? If you do own a Nexus/Noxious 4, post in the Nexus/Noxious 4 forum, not in the G2X one unless it's in the G2x Off Topic thread.
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psychoace said:
So no source is a source then? Since you don't know anything you must know everything right? Also the only phone LG is having problems with in the cell phone community is the G2x/o2x. The reason most developers say it's a problem is the Nvidia chipset. The reason people complain about the Tegra 2 platform is its lack of open source drivers and its sloppy hardware. Pretty much every issue we have are the same issues Atrix users are having. Considering how well LG's other phones are working you really have to blame Nvidia for this problem. They made the terrible hardware here and did a crappy job coding. So please learn about this stuff before posting. I'm sure you annoy a lot of dev's with all your posts.
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You obviously haven't been reading much of the posts on the the G2X forum, if you had, you would have realized that I and others have already stated, many times, what you just have and, BTW, I am one of the few left who is actually helping to get ICS/JB/CM10.1 running on the G2X. If I annoy a developer, their psyche is overly sensitive, like yours.

Core Memory said:
You obviously haven't been reading much of the posts on the the G2X forum, if you had, you would have realized that I and others have already stated, many times, what you just have and, BTW, I am one of the few left who is actually helping to get ICS/JB/CM10.1 running on the G2X. If I annoy a developer, their psyche is overly sensitive, like yours.
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Obviously I haven't been reading much yet I stated everything you and the dev's have been saying about the G2x? yeah that makes sense. That's for acknowledging that I'm right

psychoace said:
Obviously I haven't been reading much yet I stated everything you and the dev's have been saying about the G2x? yeah that makes sense. That's for acknowledging that I'm right
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You're right with the criticism of what's wrong with the phone but not of me. So you're right and wrong.

Why doesn't Google buy a cell phone company?

Ex. Verizon, AT&T...
only thing I can possibly think of is for some reason they'd get into legal trouble because they create the os that most phones in the US run on.
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TheNetwork said:
Ex. Verizon, AT&T...
only thing I can possibly think of is for some reason they'd get into legal trouble because they create the os that most phones in the US run on.
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Oh and sorry if this isn't the place. I couldn't find a more fitting forum.
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currently they have deal with so many mobile phone companies ........ so that they can reach larch users.

TheNetwork said:
Ex. Verizon, AT&T...
only thing I can possibly think of is for some reason they'd get into legal trouble because they create the os that most phones in the US run on.
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Oh and sorry if this isn't the place. I couldn't find a more fitting forum.
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i think it would fall into the place of what happened when goggle bought Motorola, Everyone (Samsung HTC etc..) thought since they were bought by Google that they were the "Favorite" and Samsung started to make android less android, (good example would be the Samsung galaxy notePRO 12.1) in response Google knew they screwed up and sold Motorola to Lenovo. i think this sorta thing would happen and instead of manufacturing android phones, others would try to get like Bada OS and Firefox OS phones.

Personally, I think Google did not screw up when it bought Motorola. What they are really after is Motorola's "Project Ara," that involves the development of Modular Smartphones, which is seen by many as the future of smartphones. All other assets of Motorola did not interest Google and they sold it to Lenovo, but retained only Project Ara.

av2588 said:
Personally, I think Google did not screw up when it bought Motorola. What they are really after is Motorola's "Project Ara," that involves the development of Modular Smartphones, which is seen by many as the future of smartphones. All other assets of Motorola did not interest Google and they sold it to Lenovo, but retained only Project Ara.
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I don't think they screwed up either, I think they screwed up with selling Motorola though. Honestly Motorola phones where pretty ugly and Google changed them quite a bit. The moto g was heir most successful/most sold phone they have ever had I wish they could have played around with them some more before selling them to lenovo Motorola was having a bad time and Google just gave them a boost I guess, So nice of them.

av2588 said:
Personally, I think Google did not screw up when it bought Motorola. What they are really after is Motorola's "Project Ara," that involves the development of Modular Smartphones, which is seen by many as the future of smartphones. All other assets of Motorola did not interest Google and they sold it to Lenovo, but retained only Project Ara.
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Oh right modular smartphones... The millisecond those are available I'm dumping whatever phone I have at the time and getting one.
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Google runs on nothing but ads folks. Everything else is just a way to funk around.