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Stop killing android, carriers.

Cnet just put up a review of the Motorola Atrix, one of the most anticipated smart-phones. AT&T has blocked the ability to download 3rd party apps . "You can't install third-party apps" and goes on to say "No change of heart on third-party applications, as that feature is disabled on the Atrix."
Google's(andy rubin) response is to say let me market decide. I truly agree with this statement but when the carriers are in power (two year contracts) it doesn't let the market work. General consumers dont know know the difference between android phones. Consumer assume since they are getting an android phone, all android phones are the same. This blocking of 3rd party apps creates a bad user experience and users will blame android and not the carriers.
( http://reviews.cnet.com/smartphones/motorola-atrix-4g-at/4505-6452_7-34468396.html?tag=rvwBody )

Nice find. With that in mind, RIP Motorola.
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Agree. Its a disgrace. Its a open source os yes. but dont kill core functionalities. Its giving people a bad view on android. Apple would scream bloody blue murder if that happened

That's AT&T for ya!

tangstang said:
That's AT&T for ya!
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various other carriers around the world too.

But they're going to try and make the bootloader dev friendly, right? Don't make me lols.
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TheForgotten said:
various other carriers around the world too.
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I see the rogers in your avatar.... oops, I'm current on the US carriers but as far as the other carriers around the world I'm not 100% up to speed. So screw all those carriers too!

Yea it sucks when they do it but, well you know they must get a cut from doing it.
If they didn't there wouldn't be so much fragmentation on the market.
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With that in mind, always buy unlocked phones!

unbelievable how can they come with such a thing
"- boss I have an idea to boost sales: let restrict users from installing third party apps..."
"- this is a stoning idea! let's do it... "

This is pretty horrible when you buy a phone and expect it to function like every other phone that has the same OS.
With maybe Telecom's actually trying to invent their own App stores, this may be ATT's push into that direction.

copius said:
This is pretty horrible when you buy a phone and expect it to function like every other phone that has the same OS.
With maybe Telecom's actually trying to invent their own App stores, this may be ATT's push into that direction.
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sure, in Europe orange is doing the same.

BazookaAce said:
Nice find. With that in mind, RIP Motorola.
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RIP Motorola indeed. I bought the original Droid day it came out...Now I have the X and it's not the same experience (Of course until I changed Roms and multiple other things). But I was perfectly contented with the original, but in order to get that I HAD to change it. Verizon force fed me apps that I simply did not want. So it's also not just ATT.

and that is why we have XDA Developers... right?

Omnichron said:
and that is why we have XDA Developers... right?
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Amen my friend! Before this forum I was lost and confused. XDA provided me light and guidance in the land of the lost known as MotoBlur. I found a map to the world of FlyX and apeX and others.
Thank you XDA. Thank you so much.

RIP Motorola

We can get past this.

What's with all the " RIP Motorola " Hackers, modders, overclockers etc probably account for less then 4% of the market. They are going to make money regardless with the Atrix being the first Dual Core phone released...it will do plenty well, no need to worry guys, lol.
As for the 3rd party apps being locked, honestly, how many people here who will (most likely won’t) admit that you bricked your phone doing something silly and then used the “ manufacture’s warranty “ to replace it? Good for them for locking it down if noob’s jump in head first without knowing what they are doing. It might even bring the cost of phone’s down and bring down that ETF! I don’t care to pay for anyone else’s mistakes. Download the app to your computer and transfer it to your phone if you want it that bad.
Motorola is not going anywhere and they have top quality devices. In my opinion, best on the market! Don’t be mad because you can’t afford one

Carriers are taking over Market billing and earn their cut, hence why they're blocking non-market apps. That said, it won't be long before Atrix is rooted and sideloading enabled.
Have little patience and faith in xda community, will ya?

I simply can't believe how US carriers get away with 2 year contracts. It's simply retarded how they take advantage of their customers.
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Google acquired Moto for 12.5 Billion

How did this happen without anyone even getting a clue?
http://www.engadget.com/2011/08/15/google-acquiring-motorola-mobility/
http://investor.google.com/releases/2011/0815.html

Woah, this totally came out of nowhere.

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And ended up in totally the wrong place!!! Please, OP, ask a mod to move it, before someone else does.

just wow !!
interesting times

didnt see that coming

thank god. Android really needed this. Just hope that patent portfolio gets put to good use.

Really nice move, let's hope they're not gonna focus too much on Motorola phones

I think they will focus more on moto phones now compared to android os itself :-/. But u never no.
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androidkid311 said:
I think they will focus more on moto phones now compared to android os itself :-/. But u never no.
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I don't think so, that should be stupid and Google it's not. But probably they will focus on Motorola devices

Realistically, this won't mean much for non-moto users. It looks like Google bought Motorola primarily for the patents to fend off Apple.
As far as favoring Moto phones, I have a hunch all the new Nexus devices will be moto, but it shouldn't have any huge negative effect on other brands.
If anything, it might lead to unlocked bootloaders across the board, if Google pushes for openness against the largest proponent of locked down hardware.

does this mean no more NEXUS!!!
and does it mean all motos will be AOSP?

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does this mean no more NEXUS!!!
and does it mean all motos will be AOSP?
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This will mean that Nexus is gonna be Motorola and AOSP

Already posted in the correct forum.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1219085

moto is still it's separate company. who knows what will happen, but if Google wanted complete control they would re brand moto as it's own company etc.
I hope they still keep other manufacturers happy. Never really been a fan of Motorola :/

onbacardi said:
does this mean no more NEXUS!!!
and does it mean all motos will be AOSP?
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It will probably also mean Motorola phones get updates first. Shouldn't really effect us samsung users too much though

This is good news for Motorola and Google. Now for every trivial patent Apple has, Google has 10 solid tech patents.
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It will probably also mean Motorola phones get updates first. Shouldn't really effect us samsung users too much though
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I don't think so. This afternoon in a conference call both Motorola and Google have stated that it's bussiness as usual at Motorola. Motorola will not receive any different treathment and will continue to manufacture handsets as ussual. This means smartphones and dumdphones, altho current they only have the Gleam as a dumbphone.

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This is good news for Motorola and Google. Now for every trivial patent Apple has, Google has 10 solid tech patents.
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I don't think Apple's using any patented Motorola stuff.

google has stated it will not be restricting the Nexi to only Motorola phones.

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I don't think Apple's using any patented Motorola stuff.
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That's irrelevant. If they look hard enough they'll find some patent on which Apple "infringes", even if Apple didn't really steal anything. it could be things as simple as "Ability to make calls on a mobile device"

Amazon phone

So there's a rumor Amazon is commingle out with a phone that will destroy android
What do you guys think about this
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How would it destroy android?
In b4 "what does this have to do with the One X?"
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_MetalHead_ said:
How would it destroy android?
In b4 "what does this have to do with the One X?"
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http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...vvXrBg&usg=AFQjCNHkF4SNHJsnd6n1bHPKdVl4af8Hjw

Competition? More choices? Great.
Killer? Destroyer? Noo... Sounds like that author already made up his mind without considering that these companies can just continue pushing each other.

Yeah, pretty sure the author who wrote that was an idiot. I don't see how this could be anything but good. The same way that the Kindle Fire pushed Google to release the Nexus 7, I can only see this causing other manufacturers to come out with even better and more competitively priced smartphones.
And I don't take anybody seriously who uses the term "iPhone killer". It is the most annoying and ridiculous term to have come from the smartphone craze. There is this one foreign guy on FB who keeps posting on one of the Android pages asking about which phone is an iPhone killer, all the damn time. "Is this phone iPhone killer?"... "is that phone iPhone killer?"... Seriously, STFU with your stupid iPhone killer drivel, you look stupid as hell when you say it. I really want to kick that guy in the balls.

I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around the OP.
First of all, like @_MetalHead_ has pointed out, what does this have to do with the One X directly? Answer: Not enough to post it in the HOX forum.
Second, the phrase "destroy Android"? The Amazon phone will probably be running Android so I don't know how that would work, since Amazon has an App Store of their own for Android Apps. Even the article the OP links to states what this phone will target: Low-end price point, Brick-n-Mortar stores, and manufacturers. Not software.
I see the OP is doing nothing more than attempting to generate baseless, superficial panic. Yellow Journalism.

probably gonna be along the same lines and the facebook phone and the firefox phone. Even the revamped MeeGo project. Sure they will have their share of competition with android and will have their own little cult followings, but I don't think that there will be anything in the near future that will gain significant ground on Android.

Wasn't that the Firefox phone ur talking about?
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[DISCUSSION] Google to give 20 percent of Motorola's employees pink slips

I found this rather interesting. A few months ago Google finally closed the deal on its acquisition of Motorola Mobility, replacing the old CEO with its own handpicked successor. Now the company is expediting its plans to consolidate Motorola. In the latest report, the search giant is getting ready to do some major restructuring, which will result in a 20 percent cut (about 4,000 people) of the handset maker’s workforce. This isn’t so much of a surprise as many executives had already hit the exit once the deal was done.
The way this job reduction will playout is Motorola’s operations in Asia and India, as well as its R&D spending in Chicago, Sunnyvale, and Beijing — is getting a drastic cut. Google’s goal is to trim down the fat on such a bloated company; a company that could only turn a profit six months out of the last four years. What makes sense is for Google to stop putting wasted resources into producing lower-end handsets, which is a plan the company intends to carry out. New Motorola boss, Dennis Woodside, told the The New York Times that he’s refocusing the company to concentrate on “a few cellphones instead of dozens.” Again, this isn’t new, we already had an idea that Motorola would refocus and begin to release lesser phones, which is something the old CEO Sanjay Jha uttered earlier this year.
In becoming a much leaner company, Motorola will begin to put more emphasis on things like voice recognition that can determine who is in a room, better cameras, and longer-lasting batteries. All great qualities phone owners love. The NYT report also mentioned how an executive close to situation believed it would be “more difficult” for Google and Motorola to spontaneously collaborate on Android projects.
This irks me, because it makes no sense. Why is it a problem for Google to do its own thing, with its own OS, on its own hardware company? My point is, every single OEM the search giant “partners-up with” has been doing whatever it wants with Android since day one (like throwing crappy skins on top of it). So why would things all of a sudden become “more difficult” with Google’s acquisition of Motorola? OEMs will continue to do whatever they want regardless. What does everyone think of all this?
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Sorry if I'm spamming, just thought you guys would be interested in this also.
Mods, feel free to lock / delete...
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Apex_Strider said:
This irks me, because it makes no sense. Why is it a problem for Google to do its own thing, with its own OS, on its own hardware company? My point is, every single OEM the search giant “partners-up with” has been doing whatever it wants with Android since day one (like throwing crappy skins on top of it). So why would things all of a sudden become “more difficult” with Google’s acquisition of Motorola? OEMs will continue to do whatever they want regardless.
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This is a problem, because Google designs not only the os, but now the hardware too. This can be considered an unfair monopoly. Google has to tread very lightly in how they handle this whole thing.
If done wrong, they could alienate all the other manufactures out there, and we could start seeing them all go back to things like symbian (yuck!).

Google has to keep Android open for at least another 5 years unless they find a loop hole. By that time their will be another OS come along that will catch everyones attention.
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I was reading this morning how it was harder for Motorola to talk to and work witj the Android team at google now. The perceived unfair advantage is being handled very cautiously by Google. Then minutes later another article said the same thing except it was Motorola limiting access. Everyone is too uptight. Make it freakin' work.
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OMG I Work at Motorola India but I've not come across any such things.
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Makes me sad. I have three friends whose parents work for Motorola. I keep bugging them to tell their parents to get ICS on more phones but I think I know more about their parents' jobs than they do themselves

It sucks that they have to cut so many jobs - but a lot of them are in markets where Motorola just flat out doesn't sell anything, so they are completely leaving those markets. Hopefully those people can find jobs quickly (and get nice severance packages), and also hopefully Motorola becomes profitable again very quickly, and their remaining areas get bigger and higher more people.

I'm sure it's much easier to suck with less employees. Now they'll actually have an excuse for it.
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I totally want Google to dictate to Motorola. A small handful of higher-quality handsets? A slimmer operation?
Come on, Motorola should have done this two or three years ago.
But turning Motorola into, essentially, a Nexus-only producer with some of its traditional branding could quickly make them into the most interesting manufacturer.

Ajfink said:
I totally want Google to dictate to Motorola. A small handful of higher-quality handsets? A slimmer operation?
Come on, Motorola should have done this two or three years ago.
But turning Motorola into, essentially, a Nexus-only producer with some of its traditional branding could quickly make them into the most interesting manufacturer.
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LOL, go a googling... Google is going to turn moto into a lower cost handset maker, not a top end manufacturer... in other words they don't wanna compete with Samsung and the like.
They (motorola), will not make a nexus only device, as of yet NO nexus has EVER been a motorola device, now the xoom was a "google experience" device, meaning no blur at all.... other than that, you won't see them do a nexus phone, but maybe once or twice if ever... it is rumored that this year moto will make the nexus, but I have heard some rumblings lately that don't sound like that will happen.

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LOL, go a googling... Google is going to turn moto into a lower cost handset maker, not a top end manufacturer... in other words they don't wanna compete with Samsung and the like.
They (motorola), will not make a nexus only device, as of yet NO nexus has EVER been a motorola device, now the xoom was a "google experience" device, meaning no blur at all.... other than that, you won't see them do a nexus phone, but maybe once or twice if ever... it is rumored that this year moto will make the nexus, but I have heard some rumblings lately that don't sound like that will happen.
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Google is trying to paint the picture that they have nothing to do with Motorola and that its own separate division because they don't want the other OEM's getting mad at them. They are also saying that Motorola will have to bid for the Nexus program like everybody else... no favoritism! We'll see true thats going to be! Personally I want to see Google get more involved in Motorola, but I don't want them to stop building high end devices... this is the reason I buy Motorola because the hardware is reliable!
This is all similar to the backlash Microsoft has been getting for deciding to building the "Surface" and go into the hardware market. OEM's are mad at them now for this!

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This is all similar to the backlash Microsoft has been getting for deciding to building the "Surface" and go into the hardware market. OEM's are mad at them now for this!
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This is exactly what i was going to say!
We are also forgetting the 'other' reason why el goog bought Moto, patents! I really believe the patents thing is true.. as far as Moto not manufacturing top end devices, i dont believe that, but i do believe they will be limited. They wont release a new mobile every now and then instead may be one top dog for each carrier in the year and two for the international market.
In big mobile markets like India. Moto is struggling, their service here is so infamous and the availability of moto products is also an issue here, where there is NO carrier branding moto has to depend on distribution chains and retailers, and they arent doing well in that dept.
Bottom line is Moto will be different from now onwards, these pink slips are just beginning. There are going to be changes, but not drastic IMHO.
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jimbridgman said:
LOL, go a googling... Google is going to turn moto into a lower cost handset maker, not a top end manufacturer... in other words they don't wanna compete with Samsung and the like.
They (motorola), will not make a nexus only device, as of yet NO nexus has EVER been a motorola device, now the xoom was a "google experience" device, meaning no blur at all.... other than that, you won't see them do a nexus phone, but maybe once or twice if ever... it is rumored that this year moto will make the nexus, but I have heard some rumblings lately that don't sound like that will happen.
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You're right - none yet. I'm just -wishing- that Google would take a more prominent role, at least in the direction of making Motorola play in a more Google way (not that Google is always that open themselves).
I can understand Google not wanting to show favoritism, and if for no other reason I'd be fine with official Nexus devices going to Samsung, HTC, et al., but it would be nice if ALL Motorola devices had that "Google experience."

Its confirmed that Motorola India R&D Centre of Bangalore is yet to make an official statement by coming days and it's also been said that It'll lay off a few employees.
Motorola R&D Bangalore,India.
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If the purchase was only (even mostly) for the patents Moto has, which will probably help defending some features of Android (against Apple), then this move is of no surprise. I hope the affected people are compensated well and also hope many of them start new startups in mobile space with that cushion.

[Q] Is our phone already done?

With Lenovo's acquisition of Motorola Mobility, are we no longer going to receive updates? What's the future look like?

If Lenovo wants to make anything of it, they should be focusing on the updates for the newer phones and keeping the current customer base happy so we don't switch out to another company. Releasing new devices won't do much if people aren't happy with what we already have.
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I can't see them not updating these phones they are moto's flagships why would they not update them. They also have no other phones out that will compete with us at this time.

That's what I thought. I was harassed by a third-party retailer about Motorola not pushing anymore updates before they gave me the phone I kept asking for and they were almost forcing me to get a Samsung phone which I would absolutely HATE. It's like they know what's best for me, Samsungs are overrated and have poor quality anyways... I called BS and had to walk away but it got me wondering, "What if...?" Anyways, I guess they really don't have a reason to drop us so early.

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That's what I thought. I was harassed by a third-party retailer about Motorola not pushing anymore updates before they gave me the phone I kept asking for and they were almost forcing me to get a Samsung phone which I would absolutely HATE. It's like they know what's best for me, Samsungs are overrated and have poor quality anyways... I called BS and had to walk away but it got me wondering, "What if...?" Anyways, I guess they really don't have a reason to drop us so early.
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Yea if they want to make any sort of name for themselves they'll keep the updates coming and keep the existing customer base happy. Im pretty sure the deal hasn't fully gone through yet, so technically Google still owns Motorola for a little bit longer. Someone chime in if I'm wrong.
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Just my 2 cents but I kinda feel like our phones are losing love from not only the suppliers but the public. The devs losing interest cuz well most us on this forum are here cuz we like the exploits and rooting, being harder to accomplish that we see that community is just kinda saying screw it I got better things to do. I love the droid ultra and maxx, and I feel the Samsung line is a chick phone (just a personal feeling don't hate me for that remark) but saying that I also see the galaxy and note are booming with the exploits and possibilities. What if (my conspiracy theorists mode talking here) they wanna junk down the line of moto phones and lock em up tight so that we as consumers with that urge to break and root are only left to spend the extra cash to get Dev models lol
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@jayo Haha, I see Sammie's phones the same way! Anyways, Samsung doesn't try to lock down their phones like Moto has been since the Droid X days. And I think Motorola wants to aim at average consumers so interested devs should have to pay more which is kinda ridiculous since it's easier to produce a vulnerable bootloader. I wish Developer's Edition was available on contract, though. That tag is a huge hit... I'd rather pay it off over time.
Anyways...I thought the hardware was entitled to us? If we brick or screw up our phones, wouldn't that be good since we're spending more?