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HSUPA a problem?

I don't recall how I dug this up but I ended up on the xda captivate forum reading a thread about how HSUPA is disabled on the captivate. some people were saying that only the iphone had it enabled. Part of it sounded like conspiracy theory fud and some of it sounded reasonable but I didn't understand it.
HSUPA is related to upload speed, yes?
anyone knowledgable on the subject matter care to explain this to me?

substance12 said:
I don't recall how I dug this up but I ended up on the xda captivate forum reading a thread about how HSUPA is disabled on the captivate. some people were saying that only the iphone had it enabled. Part of it sounded like conspiracy theory fud and some of it sounded reasonable but I didn't understand it.
HSUPA is related to upload speed, yes?
anyone knowledgable on the subject matter care to explain this to me?
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Yes, HSUPA is related to upload speed, and HSDPA is related to your download speed. Together they make up the HSPA network, which has max speeds on AT&T of 7.2Mbps for downloads, and 5.6Mbps for uploads. You are also correct about AT&T disabling HSUPA on the Samsung Captivate, and almost any other phone they released last year not called an iPhone 4. Nobody knows the real reason behind why this happened, I assume it must be some part of the agreement they had in place with Apple, but now that this is over I highly doubt you'll see any phones that are locked out like that again. AT&T is very excited about the launch of the Inspire 4G and Atrix 4G, for them to disable these devices at this point would be silly at best.

everything you said makes perfect sense but i am not put at ease by the fact that AT&T would do this in the first place combined with what we are seeing currently in all the reviews. and i'm not talking about not getting 4g speeds. that's been discussed to death... fine... but weren't all the reviewers getting poor upload speeds too? (i actually don't recall exactly)

Except for the fact that every speed test done on this phone so far has been awful, and the iphone4 blows it away on both download and upload.
I'm gonna get it, and do a speed test with the two sitting next to each other. If I get much higher speeds on the iphone, the inspire is going right back.

I own the captivate and stock the upload was crippled. At first I didn't think that this was a big deal until I learned that upload speed directly relate to dl speeds. It has something to do with that your upload can get clogged and prevent download until it is cleared. But soon after I got the phone the devs released huspa enabled roms and now I get around 3000 down and 1800 up so my thinking is that even if att cripples the inspire which I think is unlikely seeing how they are advertising it as their first 4g, we should be able to use a different modem that will enable higher speeds.
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harlenm said:
Except for the fact that every speed test done on this phone so far has been awful, and the iphone4 blows it away on both download and upload.
I'm gonna get it, and do a speed test with the two sitting next to each other. If I get much higher speeds on the iphone, the inspire is going right back.
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It's not just the Inspire, AT&T has disabled HSUPA in every capable smartphone on their network besides the iPhone 4. I wrote an article a couple days ago where I reviewed the upload speeds from Inspire/Atrix 4G from reviews.
http://emuneee.com/2011/02/is-att-disabling-hsupa-on-its-4g-devices/
Noah at TechnoBuffalo does a side by side speed test of the Inspire 4G and iPhone 4. The iPhone consistently had upload speeds of 900+Kbps while the Inspire maxed at 393Kbps.
Check it out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=KgCIF-G1HO8#t=732s
This should be circumvented by flashing a compatible modem from the Desire HD (Telus, which uses the same 3G bands) with HSUPA enabled.

Ughhh I really hoped they wouldn't do this with there new 4g phone..doesn't make sense to me why they would.
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rooted users will have a solution to this but we shouldn't have to put up with it on principle. I personally feel it is illegal to favor one (i)phone and not others. If they did it across the board then i would be upset but at least they are consistent. But they don't cap the iphone. I've been putting this message out at every media outlet I come across... Consumerist, MSNBC, TWiT, ATT facebook and twitter page, ATT forums, etc. i wish we had the community power to post a new thread on their FB and twitter feed about this every single day.

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It's all good here. Telus Desire HD on ATT

Funk2641 said:
It's all good here. Telus Desire HD on ATT
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Is that actually a Telus Desire HD or AT&T Inspire hardware/software wise? If it is a Telus Desire, it would have it. The Captivate does to, as long as you are using a Telus, Bell, or Rogers modem. It is AT&T specific to the modem file that prevents HSUPA connections.

Telus version
I forgot I pre-ordered 2 months ago

Funk2641 said:
Telus version
I forgot I pre-ordered 2 months ago
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Well now that is just taunting us AT&T people, now isn't it.
Especially the ones that can't take a quick jaunt across the border to get one.
<---Stuck in Texas

After seeing this I did a quick test on my i4 to see what I get at home. Top # is on 3G and 2 # is on wifi at the house. I dont use my phone alot at work cause im too busy being a fedex driver so the 3G doesnt bother me but does. Im mostly on wifi anymore but just giving a comparison here.

aNdroidnut said:
After seeing this I did a quick test on my i4 to see what I get at home. Top # is on 3G and 2 # is on wifi at the house. I dont use my phone alot at work cause im too busy being a fedex driver so the 3G doesnt bother me but does. Im mostly on wifi anymore but just giving a comparison here.
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That would be HSUPA, people.

id10terrordfw said:
Well now that is just taunting us AT&T people, now isn't it.
Especially the ones that can't take a quick jaunt across the border to get one.
<---Stuck in Texas
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Heh, I live in Atlanta, GA.

Funk2641 said:
Heh, I live in Atlanta, GA.
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Quiet, you!

I worry much more about download than I do upload speeds. Currently the upload speeds on the Inspire are going to be slower than the iP4, but download was the same or better on the Inspire running Speedtest about 6 times. After all of the backhaul work on the network is done I think it's gonna be a different story.

Does 4g hspa+ work on custom roms and radios from other regions/carriers?

Title says it all. I searched but didn't find my answer. I am running core droid and the m3 radio. I don't want to go back to stock radio bc I got crappy signal everywhere with it. In network info it only ever says I am connected to hdspa. I am still trying to figure out all these terms but my main concern is, if I flash a radio like the m3 from another carrier and country and also have a custom rom installed will the phone still be able to connect to and receive the 4g hspa+ speeds if I am on a back-hauled tower? I just wonder because it seems to me since the roms are based on the Desire and the radios are from another country it would not work right? Can someone clarify?

Nobody has any comments?

It will only work on carriers that use 850/1900 for 3g, which is only rogers in Canada and ATT. It won't work anywhere in Europe 3g or anywhere else.

Thanks for replying but I actually was asking if the fact we are using roms and radios based of the desire HD hardware would prevent us from connecting to hSPA+ service on ATT. I mainly ask because I was in Los Angeles today and I am pretty sure they should have hspa+ backhauled already and the best speeds I could get with full bars and using a server 2.6 miles away was a ping of about 194 and speeds of 3.03 Mbps down and 1.27 up

Okay I am beginning to think we can't access 4g with our rooted inspire. I am on att and running core droid rom with m2 radio. I just looked on the ATT site and it says LA,Ca is one of the cities that has had the complete backhual. Yet I only saw the above speeds and the only think my phone said was hsdpa never hspa+ in the network information section of the settings.

I definitely can access so called ATT 4g with the M2 radio which is NOT the stock ATT radio.

simulatordos said:
I definitely can access so called ATT 4g with the M2 radio which is NOT the stock ATT radio.
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Are you in one of the listed areas that has the 100% live 4g? What speeds do you get in a 4g area on a speed test? Does it show hspa+ in network info in phone settings menu? Also what rom are you on? Just trying to narrow down some stuff.Just because it shows H in the status bar doesn't mean you are actually on 4g.

9646gt said:
Are you in one of the listed areas that has the 100% live 4g? What speeds do you get in a 4g area on a speed test? Does it show hspa+ in network info in phone settings menu? Also what rom are you on? Just trying to narrow down some stuff.Just because it shows H in the status bar doesn't mean you are actually on 4g.
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I'm getting anywhere from 500 to 2500 down and usually around 1000-1500 up.
The menu is meaningless from what I understand. The only thing that matters is speed and I clearly am getting so called "4g" speeds. Using the stock rooted rom.

simulatordos said:
I'm getting anywhere from 500 to 2500 down and usually around 1000-1500 up.
The menu is meaningless from what I understand. The only thing that matters is speed and I clearly am getting so called "4g" speeds. Using the stock rooted rom.
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First off MODS I think it would be best if you can move this to the DEV section as it's better suited there I would think?
Yeah those speeds are for sure not 4g. The reason I am bringing up all of this is the fastest speed that the Desire HD specs say it supports is 3g 14.4 megabits/s and hspa+ is rated at a maximum of up to 42megabits/s and even faster down the road. Now if the radios (maybe even roms) for the desire were not meant to ever support hspa+ (it doesn't say in the specs it even supports hspa+) will this mean that if we are using those radios and roms we are not going to see the speeds we should?
I know this does not seem like a big deal right now with 4g access being limited, but ATT is fastly expanding the coverage area with it's backhaul. So figureing this out before hand would be a good idea. The Iphone for example is capped at like 7.2 download because it does not support hspa+. If the radios and roms form the DHD are the same way we will be greatly reducing our data speeds.

9646gt said:
First off MODS I think it would be best if you can move this to the DEV section as it's better suited there I would think?
Yeah those speeds are for sure not 4g. The reason I am bringing up all of this is the fastest speed that the Desire HD specs say it supports is 3g 14.4 megabits/s and hspa+ is rated at a maximum of up to 42megabits/s and even faster down the road. Now if the radios (maybe even roms) for the desire were not meant to ever support hspa+ (it doesn't say in the specs it even supports hspa+) will this mean that if we are using those radios and roms we are not going to see the speeds we should?
I know this does not seem like a big deal right now with 4g access being limited, but ATT is fastly expanding the coverage area with it's backhaul. So figureing this out before hand would be a good idea. The Iphone for example is capped at like 7.2 download because it does not support hspa+. If the radios and roms form the DHD are the same way we will be greatly reducing our data speeds.
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Typically we should be able to in theory edit the build.prop to enable compatible speeds.
In theory.

This is actually a great thread and point to be brought up.
Most of us aren't on an unlimited data plan so having the fastest speed is the only perk we have vs. Using edge and dumb phones.
Um coming from an unlocked Android phone which was only compatible with at&ts edge connection and that experience was less than stellar.
Hoping the Devs here in the Inspire 4G section have this in mind, and if not we can be sure to remind them.
Talking about speed, my phone is jumping from 3g to 3.5g which is a bad thing.
Will test it more thoroughly as maybe the phone is in need to be exchanged before the 30 days.
Sent from my most memorable Inspire 4G

9646gt said:
Thanks for replying but I actually was asking if the fact we are using roms and radios based of the desire HD hardware would prevent us from connecting to hSPA+ service on ATT. I mainly ask because I was in Los Angeles today and I am pretty sure they should have hspa+ backhauled already and the best speeds I could get with full bars and using a server 2.6 miles away was a ping of about 194 and speeds of 3.03 Mbps down and 1.27 up
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your numbers seem dead on with what i get in los angeles. i havent seen higher than 3Mbps down and 1.5Mbps up all throughout the LA arrea. so i dont thin kthe ROM has any ill effect.

RogerPodacter said:
your numbers seem dead on with what i get in los angeles. i havent seen higher than 3Mbps down and 1.5Mbps up all throughout the LA arrea. so i dont thin kthe ROM has any ill effect.
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So basically just another classic case of ATT over promising and under delivering huh. I can't wait for my contract to be up.

9646gt said:
So basically just another classic case of ATT over promising and under delivering huh. I can't wait for my contract to be up.
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Yeah basically. My contract has been up for years but I'm happy enough with them. But ATT is just horrible in terms of being a leader in the industry. All they do is react and follow. They had the golden chance to roll out hspa first and blow the competition away. Instead they sit back and let t-mobile do that, then copy them and play catch up "me too." For years they've done this, copy every single thing Verizon does, never once thinking of doing it first.
Especially when hspa is a rather easy software upgrade to the tower base station. Such good bang for buck and easy to implement and boost speeds to 21Mbps. No instead they let t-mobile, the network that yesterday didn't even have 3g come in and make them look silly. Sigh.

I couldn't agree more with you lol. I guess my biggest concern is the simple fact that the desire HD says nothing about supporting hspa+. Yet all our roms and radios we are using are from that phone. I just have a hard time understanding how hspa+ will actually still work I guess.

I couldn't agree more with you lol. I guess my biggest concern is the simple fact that the desire HD says nothing about supporting hspa+. Yet all our roms and radios we are using are from that phone. I just have a hard time understanding how hspa+ will actually still work I guess.
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build.prop.
HSPA+ is enabled in there.

Updated my Inspire's ROM to Android Revolution 4.0(stock radio) with 2.3.2 Gingerbread and am getting better speeds:
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build.prop.
HSPA+ is enabled in there.
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I didn;t see anything at all actually for hspa+ in build.prop. Are you thinking about hsudpa?

From what I understand about how all this works, as long as you are on the right frequency, and have the correct setting in build prop, the radio version won't matter, unlike the Captivate, which supports more frequencies and only using a radio from the European SGS will give you "correct" HSUPA.

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I didn;t see anything at all actually for hspa+ in build.prop. Are you thinking about hsudpa?
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No. Setting ro.ril.hsdpa to 10 or 14 and up enables it. That is all it takes.

[Q] 4g? Really? Really Tmobile? Really?

Soooooo.... Tmobile does not seem to have a 4g network in my area even if they say they do. I spent the better part of 2hrs talk to tech support managers who tried to convince me that my g2x is pulling down 4g data despite speedtest showing max of only 2mbs and a constant connection to their 3g "umts" network and not their 4g "hspa" network. Really.tmobile? Really? Im starting to think that the hspa network is only a myth.... I mean, I have never seen a device connect to it nor has anyone I know. Have you guys ever been connected to tmo's hspa network?

Damn, thats not good. I'm having the same issue. I can put my SIM in my MyTouch 4G and my G2 and get 4g speeds. They even had me swap SIMs
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In my area of Raleigh NC tmobiles 4g is by far the fastest in my area I get min 5mbs up to 11 MBA usually right around 7 or 8.
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Their 3g is HSPA. Their "4g" is HSPA+. It's not a myth. And your download speed is dependent on many factors. Dont think that just because youre connected to the network youll get maximum HSPA+ speeds.

I get exceptional speeds, ranging anywhere from 6-12.5kbps on their '4G' network, pretty consistently.

Apparently (according to numerous XDA posts I've read) the G2x displays the 4G icon if you're in a 4G OR 3G coverage area. In other words, even if you're only in a 3G area, the 4G icon will be displayed.
As for the speeds, I've pulled down a max of 7mbps since I've had the phone. At my house which is supposedly a 4G area (according to the tmo coverage map) the max I've ever pulled down is 1.8mbps. My theory is that the back-haul is somewhat limited on the tower close to my house. Due to the geography I'm fairly sure they're using the same ISP I'm using (Charter). The tower is located in the middle of a huge suburban area with only Charter and AT&T providing service. AT&T DSL maxes out at 1.5mpbs in the area and Charter maxes out at 18mbps. Now, I've seen the tower and there's no equipment on it for a wireless back-haul. So basically the odds are they're using a few CBN (Charter Business) lines for connectivity and have the max speed per device set to 2mbps.
You can toss as much of the fancy 4G equipment on a tower as you want but if the back-haul capacity isn't there then it's still gonna be slow. Just my two cents.

Go into about phone and look for network. Mine is usually connected to hspa and I'm betting that's what yours is also.

Well 4G = 3G.
4G is the same technology just faster. Thats like my cable modem. It was 1.5mpbs when I first got it. Then 5mpbs. Then 10. Then 20. 30. Now 50mpbs. Nothing changed on my end.
My Nexus One would display 3G until I would pull data, then flip to H. But it wouldn't show 4G all the time (nor would it support faster speeds). I think they are trying to get rid of the 3G because 3G and 4G are basically the same.
People don't want to buy into the 4G service only to have the phone say 3G all the time.
And from my understanding the phone would display 3G. I never seen it but i'm in a 4G area.

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Their 3g is HSPA. Their "4g" is HSPA+. It's not a myth. And your download speed is dependent on many factors. Dont think that just because youre connected to the network youll get maximum HSPA+ speeds.
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sooo then whats HSDPA considered?

HSDPA is an evolved version of HSPA. It allows speeds of 3.6, 7.2, and 14.4Mbis/s. Sometimes called 3.5g
HSPA+ offers speeds up to 42Mbits/s. This is what T-Mobile is claiming as 4g
BOTH are based on the same 3g technology.

player911 said:
Well 4G = 3G.
4G is the same technology just faster. Thats like my cable modem. It was 1.5mpbs when I first got it. Then 5mpbs. Then 10. Then 20. 30. Now 50mpbs. Nothing changed on my end.
My Nexus One would display 3G until I would pull data, then flip to H. But it wouldn't show 4G all the time (nor would it support faster speeds). I think they are trying to get rid of the 3G because 3G and 4G are basically the same.
People don't want to buy into the 4G service only to have the phone say 3G all the time.
And from my understanding the phone would display 3G. I never seen it but i'm in a 4G area.
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HSPA+ isn't exactly the same technology and if you're getting 50mbps service through Comcast, either you just got the service or you did change your modem out recently. DOCSIS 2 wouldn't support that speed, you'd need a DOCSIS 3 modem.

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HSDPA is an evolved version of HSPA. It allows speeds of 3.6, 7.2, and 14.4Mbis/s. Sometimes called 3.5g
HSPA+ offers speeds up to 42Mbits/s. This is what T-Mobile is claiming as 4g
BOTH are based on the same 3g technology.
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ahh i get ya...that always confused me

I live 150 miles from the closest hspa+ signal. my g2x has said 4g since i first turned it on. I even showed it to the tmobile salesmen and they scratched their heads. never seen higher than 1.5 mbps on this thing.

I don't care what TMO wants to call it, their network is a far cry from 4G. Not Even Verizon's LTE is considered true 4G by international standards (which require +100mb down) and I get 30-35mb down and 12-15mb up. On TMO network, I have yet to top 7mb.

jlevy73 said:
I don't care what TMO wants to call it, their network is a far cry from 4G. Not Even Verizon's LTE is considered true 4G by international standards (which require +100mb down) and I get 30-35mb down and 12-15mb up. On TMO network, I have yet to top 7mb.
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Well that's a whole other topic right? Gizmodo, Engadget, etc have all discussed that no network is truly "4G". Recently tho I thought something changed where they lowered the requirement for what is considered 4G.
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Seanathan said:
Well that's a whole other topic right? Gizmodo, Engadget, etc have all discussed that no network is truly "4G". Recently tho I thought something changed where they lowered the requirement for what is considered 4G.
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I've heard that as well, they lowered the spec to 10Mbps or so. Here's the first link I could find talking about it, but there are plenty more Link

jlevy73 said:
I don't care what TMO wants to call it, their network is a far cry from 4G. Not Even Verizon's LTE is considered true 4G by international standards (which require +100mb down) and I get 30-35mb down and 12-15mb up. On TMO network, I have yet to top 7mb.
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at least wimax and lte will have the ability to reach those theoretical speeds in future revisions. HSPA is maxed out at 84Mb/s.

worker1 said:
Go into about phone and look for network. Mine is usually connected to hspa and I'm betting that's what yours is also.
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Post a screen shot of your settings showing "Mobile Network Type" being connected to "HSPA" and Not UMTS. My device has NEVER see seen "HSPA" only "UMTS".
In fact, someone/anyone please post a picture of this device being connected to HSPA and NOT UMTS! i am in a certified 4g network and my device has never seen more than 2.5mbs....
really t-mobile? really?

4G just means 4th Generation. There is no official definition of what technically constitutes 4G.
This is what I get at home with a 4G icon and a reported UMTS connection.
T-Mo's 4G may not be as theoretically fast as LTE or whatever else, but the 6 ~12 Mbps down is as good as I can do with anything right now.
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I'm finally getting real speeds after trying MetroPcsand Sprint. For me here in the Dallas area right on top of the airport, I'm now seeing up to 8.5 up. I'm pretty happy with that. I just plain never saw anything faster than 1.5in my town.....ever. And that was the first time I had my Indulge on metros system. I left for Sprint, who could never get past 1.0 Mbps, not once in three weeks of use. Went back to Metro and never saw anything past .5....apparently they are having systemwide issues right now.
I am esctatic over my speeds now. And I really am liking the other aspects I've seen of T mobile as well. Live people on the phone, the soon to be free wifi calling, and the in phone account info are all nice things. Their fees are right ion the middle.
And this phone......I have not had one issue (minor bleed)that others are reporting (yet?). I keep waiting for the other shoe to drop LOL.
As far as speeds, I have to inject my usual caveat here....
I'm not convinced on Speedtests accuracy. With all those low speeds reported, my device was usually functioning faster than Speedtest seemed to indicate. I mean on MetroPcs, the speedtest was saying .5, yet the page would load in 6 seconds or so. That's not modem speeds IMO. Not broadband speeds for sure, but not modem speeds.
Now this phone is fast! It loads a screen faster than my cheep laptop on fios broadband!
So I have to ask the op this....You say the speeds suck, but how is it actually functioning? Are your real world experiences really in line with your numbers? Do the pages load really slow? What experiences do you have with other carriers in your area?
For me, jumping around like I've been doing, its been a lot about the big picture. I was over all really happy with the Samsung Indulge. It's battery issues IMO are one of the worst in the industry. But they are being figured out. The issue for me was that I had to really battle with Samsung's customer service and the policy (?) of totally ignoring peoples questions. And then Metro started having the speed issues and won't acknowledge them as well.
I had a huge issue with Sprint regarding some outright lies they told me concerning joining them w/ my own phones and signing a contract. They refused to even throw me a bone even tho' IMO I was totally in the right. Then every person I spoke to was rude and uncaring. And my reception was awful. Bye bye.
My point is, there are going to be issues no matter where you go. Things should be looked at in their totality. People are upset about this phone, but I hear LG saying they know about them and are working to fix them. There are always gonna be people having connectivity issues....it's radio waves people. But three times I've called T mobile and three times I spoke with an american live person....win! And three times I left satisfied w/ my results. I've said several times, people are talking about being on their third and forth phones...how is that not great service? I'm sure LG and and T mobile are beside themselves over these issues, esp LG. This their flagship phone. You know they want it right.
I should have stopped typing after I asked the OP the question....sorry I can't help it. Imagine being my wife? After about two minutes of listening she gets this glassy look in her eyes ha ha!
I just think this phone and T mobile deserve a little defense. At this point, they're going to have to piss me off pretty bad, 'cause I'm very happy so far.

4G Speeds Slower Now?

got my Tbolt about a month ago. during the first week or two, it was registering 4G speeds of about 20-25 mbps using the speedtest app. however, since then it's registering only about 5 mbps using the speedtest app. anybody experiencing the same decline in speeds? it seems to cap off at 5 mbps regardless of the number of reception bars - full bars vs. 2 bars.
unrooted, using stock, live in SF bay area. i'm wondering if my settings are incorrectly after messing around with my Modem Settings under the ##778# screen. my revA setting is set to eHRPD. and my settings for Preferred Network type under *#*#4636#*#* is set to CDMA+LTE/EvDO auto.
these are the correct stock settings for 4G coverage, no?

Speeds have been choppy for me as well in the Bay Area. Some days my 4g pulls less than 5mbps and some in the mid 20s.
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It's all network saturation guys. Nature of the beast I guess.
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Same here, I got the phone the first week it was out and just as you I had
19Mbps to 22Mbps. Then a week later 4g crashed and we were running on 1x speeds for a few days, when I rebooted my phone I was @ 4Mbps to 5Mbps. So I called tech support ran a few test and was told this was our normal speeds. I even sent him a link to what I was testing out of the box.
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"Verizon 4G LTE is up to 10 times faster than its 3G network. Verizon claims that in real world scenario, 4G LTE users experience average downloads speed of 5 to 12 Mbps and uploads speed of 2 to 5 Mbps"
I live in central Ohio and have a constant 4 bars when running 4g. When I was testing a tethered connection to my computer, with my ISP I get 12Mbps to 18Mbps. Using the phone I got 20Mbps but this was short lived a few days later I got 4Mbps.
Hopefully the speeds will @ 15 to 20Mbps again.

1bayne said:
Same here, I got the phone the first week it was out and just as you I had
19Mbps to 22Mbps. Then a week later 4g crashed and we were running on 1x speeds for a few days, when I rebooted my phone I was @ 4Mbps to 5Mbps. So I called tech support ran a few test and was told this was our normal speeds. I even sent him a link to what I was testing out of the box.
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"Verizon 4G LTE is up to 10 times faster than its 3G network. Verizon claims that in real world scenario, 4G LTE users experience average downloads speed of 5 to 12 Mbps and uploads speed of 2 to 5 Mbps"
I live in central Ohio and have a constant 4 bars when running 4g. When I was testing a tethered connection to my computer, with my ISP I get 12Mbps to 18Mbps. Using the phone I got 20Mbps but this was short lived a few days later I got 4Mbps.
Hopefully the speeds will @ 15 to 20Mbps again.
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Obviously you can't read. You are getting 5Mbps, VZW states 5-12Mbps. Sounds about right to me. You aren't the only person who is using 4G, think about that too.
If you car was estimated to get 32mpg, and you got 31, would you be calling the car dealer to complain?
Most of you wouldn't have even noticed if it wasn't for the speedtest app.

Seeing as the speedtest app wasn't programmed right for 4G right off anyways...
That, and network saturation is a b!tch

don't know the numbers but mines is still fast as hell...way faster then my cablevison modem...damn shame

g00s3y said:
Obviously you can't read. You are getting 5Mbps, VZW states 5-12Mbps. Sounds about right to me. You aren't the only person who is using 4G, think about that too.
If you car was estimated to get 32mpg, and you got 31, would you be calling the car dealer to complain?
Most of you wouldn't have even noticed if it wasn't for the speedtest app.
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Wow who pissed in your CHEERIOS?
And yes I can read. Nice Forum.
If you have read the beginning of the post the question IS "4g Speeds Slower Now?" Quick answer yes. Same experience as the poster. First received blazing speeds for about a week until 4g crashed.
Speedtest is an just app and the measurement may not be that accurate but it do give you something to compare to. As far as my car I get terrible gas mileage but also paid a luxury tax, no complaints.

Actually, ever since I installed new radio, the reception is worse, and the speeds aren't as consistent even during late nights in the locations i used to get -51dBm now i get -75dBm.
Is there any way I can go back to the old radio? unrooted.

the speedtest app is not accurate on GB. instead try browsing to speakeasy.net and do a test there. I was just able to run 2 tests ~21dn ~1.5up in DFW. right now speedtest app is showing 6-8dn... also of note it is also noon here, usually a high traffic time and i work in an extremely high traffic area (AT&T is useless here). Seems speeds have jumped today as i have been getting 10-15 down since the outage. looks like they have flipped some sort of a switch here in DFW today?

with the new radio the speed is horrible and is no problem with speedtest.net app, try to download something and u will see, plus i had a lot of times when i was on 4g and the internet was dead, all apps wore showing "network problem"
where is the 30-40M speed on 4g, the 4g was better then my home internet. now.....

1bayne said:
Wow who pissed in your CHEERIOS?
And yes I can read. Nice Forum.
If you have read the beginning of the post the question IS "4g Speeds Slower Now?" Quick answer yes. Same experience as the poster. First received blazing speeds for about a week until 4g crashed.
Speedtest is an just app and the measurement may not be that accurate but it do give you something to compare to. As far as my car I get terrible gas mileage but also paid a luxury tax, no complaints.
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I eat frosted flakes actually, don't like cheerios. Plus I make sure only milk goes in my cereal, so there was definitely no pissing.
Read again what you said, you called to complain to Verizon because you were getting the speeds they advertised .
Are 4G speeds slower now, common sense would obviously say yes, when 4G was "released" only people with a 4G "modem" could get it, in only a few cities. Now, there are 2 phones to go along with the 2 modem's, and a whole slew of new cities. More users on a network = general overall slowdown. This is a phone, not a torrent.
As far as your car, that's cool, you paid a luxury tax, so that makes it better... lol

but what is the point to have 4g with 3g or worst speed.
is like u have a v8 car working all the time only with 4 pistons.
it is not our fault that they r upgrading the network slower than they sign contracts and sell more 4g devices.
they r making more money, more profit they need to make the network to support the load. but like all big companies all that meter is MORE PROFIT.
all this for me looks like fake advertising, like i am selling u a car that suppose to be fast, it is for one month but after is very slow and other cheaper and older cars passing u in speed.

I'm getting between 4.5 and 5 down today but I am running a GB ROM and these are leaked radios so personally I'm not going to shoot Verizon considering I'm running alpha bits cereal on my phone.
Normally on the phone (I only use speakeasy's site) I'd get on a typical test 12-18 down and 2 up.

I just ran my speedtest about 8 times, everything is looking good here. When I first got the phone I was getting 45D/28U... Does that mean I should call and complain to VZW?
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g00s3y said:
I just ran my speedtest about 8 times, everything is looking good here. When I first got the phone I was getting 45D/28U... Does that mean I should call and complain to VZW?
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g00s3y said:
I just ran my speedtest about 8 times, everything is looking good here. When I first got the phone I was getting 45D/28U... Does that mean I should call and complain to VZW?
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Nice results! and yeah I would question what happened to 45D? My results now are 3.9D and .75U LOL
But I can still make a call!
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I got the phone on launch day and my speeds are actually faster now than they were weeks ago. I used to get around 18-21 Mbps and now I am able to get as high as 35 Mbps in Northern Jersey.
I am also running CM7 now just to let everyone know, not sure if that is making a difference.

in Delaware I get an ave of 6Down & 2Up
Ive never seen anything above 15Down since release week

Best site for speedtest is http://testmy.net use the classic option and pick a 100 or 200 meg size for the download test. Helps a lot in averaging out the peaks and valleys.

How do I enable HSUPA on Infuse 4G?

How do I enable HSUPA on the Infuse 4G? I had the Inspire 4G and to enable it I just had to edit the one line of the build.prop, but I'm not seeing a HSUPA in the build property file.
Anyone have any ideas?

bella92108 said:
How do I enable HSUPA on the Infuse 4G? I had the Inspire 4G and to enable it I just had to edit the one line of the build.prop, but I'm not seeing a HSUPA in the build property file.
Anyone have any ideas?
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already enabled

Dani897 said:
already enabled
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Not on mine. Getting 384kbps upload capped like when I first got my Inspire 4G
Right next to it my Inspire 4G is getting 1.5mbps upload... so clearly the 384kbps just happens to be the cap for non HSUPA, lol

i get 2.2mbps down and 7ish up. though on speed test app i rarely get any better than you are getting. try using the web browser on speakeasy.com. the speed test apps dont really work that well on this phone for some reason

on settings the about phone then mobile network type, shouldnt it say HSPA+?
why do we have HSDPA? is it because we have a diffrent class form the atrix?

Transformer27 said:
on settings the about phone then mobile network type, shouldnt it say HSPA+?
why do we have HSDPA? is it because we have a diffrent class form the atrix?
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atrix has hsdpa+ they promised an update to enable full hspa+ to the atrix and the inspire. the infuse is supposed to be the first full hspa+ phone. just att changing there tune on things as verizon steals iphone customers. also it takes time to update the network to support that the traffic. as the backend get stronger they will budge more on regulations.

Hmm i still think it should say HSPA+. but either way i still get pretty decent down and up speeds.
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Transformer27 said:
Hmm i still think it should say HSPA+. but either way i still get pretty decent down and up speeds.
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try speakeasy.com in the web browser. my phone agrees eith that much better. i was getting similar download to you or less on speedtest bt on speakeasy i get up to 7mbps down

i got about the same

it might be something odd about my area and att's servers. my area was all Cell1 towers and were only updated about christmas time. i only had edge up till then and the area has always been weird.

i think ever since i had cingular>att i have had 3G down here.

same here
I am getting around 6MBPS up and around 300KBPS down. I also tried the speakeasy.net with same results. I have checked the speed in many locations and I found only one area that was giving me 2.5MBPS up. The download speed is high in all locations. ATT store told me that is the way it is (faster than 3G).

Its already enable. If you are getting slow uploads is your tower, try it at different times and dates. I will get anywhere from 100 to 1.5mbps on different days and times.
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I have noticed that my speeds are the same as they were on the atrix. After the speed cap unlock.

Also keep in mind that ATT has just really started making the upgrades on their network from hspa to hspa+ just late last year and mostly in the centralized areas of major cities, starting with the standard backhaul of 14mb/s. Which is what the Inspire and Atrix are designed to run on. They are just barely starting to upgrade their network backhaul to the 21mb/s that T-Mo has already had in place on just about their entire since last year.
Now even though ATT has decided to go LTE, and while they are still slowing upgrading to 21mb/s hspa+, T-Mo has just started rolling out the next step up which is 42mb/s. It is with this that ATT plans to use as their regular next gen network when they purchase tmobile with real world speed of about 10mb/s down and 6mb/s up vs their 100mb/s LTE which has already been shown off to offer a real time download of about 25mb/s.

SSJ_Gomike said:
Also keep in mind that ATT has just really started making the upgrades on their network from hspa to hspa+ just late last year and mostly in the centralized areas of major cities, starting with the standard backhaul of 14mb/s. Which is what the Inspire and Atrix are designed to run on. They are just barely starting to upgrade their network backhaul to the 21mb/s that T-Mo has already had in place on just about their entire since last year.
Now even though ATT has decided to go LTE, and while they are still slowing upgrading to 21mb/s hspa+, T-Mo has just started rolling out the next step up which is 42mb/s. It is with this that ATT plans to use as their regular next gen network when they purchase tmobile with real world speed of about 10mb/s down and 6mb/s up vs their 100mb/s LTE which has already been shown off to offer a real time download of about 25mb/s.
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Yeah the issue is too coincidental that I'm capped at 384kbps... which is the cap of disabling HSUPA. My iPhone gets 1.1mbps upload, my Inspire 4G gets 1.2mbps upload, yet my Infuse gets 384kbps EVERY TIME? I call shenanigans.

bella92108 said:
Yeah the issue is too coincidental that I'm capped at 384kbps... which is the cap of disabling HSUPA. My iPhone gets 1.1mbps upload, my Inspire 4G gets 1.2mbps upload, yet my Infuse gets 384kbps EVERY TIME? I call shenanigans.
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it may be an issue with the radio firmware. there were articles about some protocall they use and blah blah. it might not work on the infuse in your particular area, but as you can see there are a few of us getting hsupa speeds and we did not do any special mods to our phones. i wish i could have a specific reason for you but that's just how att and technology in general work sometimes

Dani897 said:
it may be an issue with the radio firmware. there were articles about some protocall they use and blah blah. it might not work on the infuse in your particular area, but as you can see there are a few of us getting hsupa speeds and we did not do any special mods to our phones. i wish i could have a specific reason for you but that's just how att and technology in general work sometimes
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Boo, shady, hehe