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MT4G is capped at 14.4 mb's?

According to this article from tmonews, the G2 and MyTouch 4G are capped out at 14.4mb's while the new Samsung Vibrant Plus will be capable of 21mb speeds. Why is there a cap? Thoughts?
http://www.tmonews.com/2011/01/samsung-vibrant-plus-will-offer-21-mbps-4g-speeds/

Unless it's a radio change, don't see why the MT4G can't take advantage of the "FULL" speeds when it's bumpped up to 21 Mbps. Besides, we'll probably see actual speeds of 14 Mbps or so (give or take).

pdxmatts said:
According to this article from tmonews, the G2 and MyTouch 4G are capped out at 14.4mb's while the new Samsung Vibrant Plus will be capable of 21mb speeds. Why is there a cap? Thoughts?
http://www.tmonews.com/2011/01/samsung-vibrant-plus-will-offer-21-mbps-4g-speeds/
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i don't think anyone has even seen 14.4 on their MT4G yet.
so i don't think it really matters what the Failsung vibrant has.

Why are some comments in that article stating that the MT4G is HSPDA 14.4 and not HSPA+ 14.4. The TMO website specs show it as HSPA+ 14.4 http://mytouch.t-mobile.com/mytouch-4g-features#/specs-and-manuals

HSDPA and HSPA+ are one and the same.
As far as the upcoming Samsung fiasco (Vibrant 4G) is concerned, I highly doubt it matters that it is THEORETICALLY capable of hitting 21 Mbps. As has already been noted, the MT4G and G2 are capable of reaching 14.4 Mbps. I have both phones in my household and haven't seen either reach past 6 Mbps. It's all a marketing gimmick.
Speaking of Samsung, several blogs have already speculated that Samsung burned bridges with a lot of Vibrant customers by delaying the 2.2 update and not providing a stable fix for known issues. Since I unloaded my Vibrant for the MT4G, I'm not affected by the Vibrant's issues. Had I chosen to keep it, I would be none too happy right now.

Sup man, I agree with you on speeds I have both phones as well, and never seen it go past 6.5Mbps... However HSDPA and HSPA+ are not the same, HSDPA which is also known as 3.5G and HSPA+ which is 4G... They are part of the High Speed Packet Access (HSPA) a family of high speed data services available to GSM carriers.
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HSDPA and HSPA+ are one and the same.
As far as the upcoming Samsung fiasco (Vibrant 4G) is concerned, I highly doubt it matters that it is THEORETICALLY capable of hitting 21 Mbps. As has already been noted, the MT4G and G2 are capable of reaching 14.4 Mbps. I have both phones in my household and haven't seen either reach past 6 Mbps. It's all a marketing gimmick.
Speaking of Samsung, several blogs have already speculated that Samsung burned bridges with a lot of Vibrant customers by delaying the 2.2 update and not providing a stable fix for known issues. Since I unloaded my Vibrant for the MT4G, I'm not affected by the Vibrant's issues. Had I chosen to keep it, I would be none too happy right now.
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How do you see the speed that your phone is going?
kgbkny said:
HSDPA and HSPA+ are one and the same.
As far as the upcoming Samsung fiasco (Vibrant 4G) is concerned, I highly doubt it matters that it is THEORETICALLY capable of hitting 21 Mbps. As has already been noted, the MT4G and G2 are capable of reaching 14.4 Mbps. I have both phones in my household and haven't seen either reach past 6 Mbps. It's all a marketing gimmick.
Speaking of Samsung, several blogs have already speculated that Samsung burned bridges with a lot of Vibrant customers by delaying the 2.2 update and not providing a stable fix for known issues. Since I unloaded my Vibrant for the MT4G, I'm not affected by the Vibrant's issues. Had I chosen to keep it, I would be none too happy right now.
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How do you see the speed that your phone is going? You said you've never seen it past 6.0mb's ive never seen a speed at all.

Speedtest app from the market.
dweezy108 said:
How do you see the speed that your phone is going? You said you've never seen it past 6.0mb's ive never seen a speed at all.
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rjhay22 said:
Sup man, I agree with you on speeds I have both phones as well, and never seen it go past 6.5Mbps... However HSDPA and HSPA+ are not the same, HSDPA which is also known as 3.5G and HSPA+ which is 4G... They are part of the High Speed Packet Access (HSPA) a family of high speed data services available to GSM carriers.
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To add to what RJhay22 said he is correct HSDPA and HSPA+ is not the same. As HSDPA (high speed downlink packet access) is considered 3.5G by today's standard and is capable of 7-14Mbps using UMTS. Where HSPA+ (high speed packet access) is 21-42Mbps and sadly due to FFC changing standards its now considered 4G.
Most of us don't even get 6Mbps hell I don't even see 3Mbps. So there is no point at this time on what Samsung is trying as they are just playing another gimmick game watch they will soon declare it "Superphone" lol

The highest I have gotten on my phone was 8m down 1.9m up. If I can get any where near 10m average for the next couple of year it is more than enough until I get a new phone.

Yeah...best I've gotten using Speedtest on H is just over 5 up/2 down. When connected to wifi is a different story...19 up/3 down
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I just took speedtest to really see what I was getting here at home. :O you guys are so lucky as hell my avg tx rate is 300kB/s (2400kbps) and avg rx rate is 24kB/s (193kbps). I know I got higher before but ill test it in diff area only wish we had more radio's available for MT4G as I wanted to update it.

Yeah there's no "cap". In other words, T-Mobile does just flip a switch limiting the speed, its a matter of the phone's hardware capabilities. Who cares though? You'll never see even 14.4. Why would you really need more bandwidth than that anyway (unless you're tethering)? The fact is, people will get the new Vibrant thinking it's fast as hell, and they'll be getting the same speeds as us.
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Yes and Maybe...
According to the default build.prop that came with MT4G ROM (under /system/build.prop, root access required):
ro.ril.hsdpa.category=10 (14.4 mbs download max, so it's even lower than the advertised HSPA+21, Class 14), I have since changed the value to 20 just in case TMoUSA decided to turn on their new HSPA+ 42 (Class 20) in Los Angeles...
This is a software setting, not sure if the radio hardware will support Class 20 speed...
Here's the original XDA thread regarding HSPA speed class:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=5123531&postcount=46

My thought exactly. No one really gets oiver 7 megs from what I have seen.
HTCMDA said:
i don't think anyone has even seen 14.4 on their MT4G yet.
so i don't think it really matters what the Failsung vibrant has.
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jjlean said:
My thought exactly. No one really gets oiver 7 megs from what I have seen.
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I think the point is.. if T-mobile is limiting the mytouch4g and G2 in terms of speed.. whats the point of having various 4g phones capped at different speeds? Once they fully upgrade, there will be various tiers of 4g phones. I upgraded to take advantage of there newer network (for the future) now to find out its capped.

Maybe they will simply do rom update and claim now you are using there enhanced HSPA+ 4G lol making it sound like they actually did some type of upgrade. Hell I would love to speedtest it in 4G area long as I get 250kB/s downstream and 50kB/s upstream I am fine as thats more than enough of me browsing web and time to time watching video.

I don't see the problem. These were not advertised as being capable of 21Mbps, so why would you complain that it does not reach these speeds?
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Lol what world are you living in buddy? It's all about bragging who can support what without actually offering it. I'll be happy if I can get full regular HSPA speed, ATM keep in mind OTA is not fully consistent due to a lot of variables.

dweezy108 said:
How do you see the speed that your phone is going? You said you've never seen it past 6.0mb's ive never seen a speed at all.
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Download the SpeedTest app from the market. It's specifically designed to measure your upstream/downstream speeds. Be forewarned, though - some people question its accuracy.

HSUPA a problem?

I don't recall how I dug this up but I ended up on the xda captivate forum reading a thread about how HSUPA is disabled on the captivate. some people were saying that only the iphone had it enabled. Part of it sounded like conspiracy theory fud and some of it sounded reasonable but I didn't understand it.
HSUPA is related to upload speed, yes?
anyone knowledgable on the subject matter care to explain this to me?

substance12 said:
I don't recall how I dug this up but I ended up on the xda captivate forum reading a thread about how HSUPA is disabled on the captivate. some people were saying that only the iphone had it enabled. Part of it sounded like conspiracy theory fud and some of it sounded reasonable but I didn't understand it.
HSUPA is related to upload speed, yes?
anyone knowledgable on the subject matter care to explain this to me?
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Yes, HSUPA is related to upload speed, and HSDPA is related to your download speed. Together they make up the HSPA network, which has max speeds on AT&T of 7.2Mbps for downloads, and 5.6Mbps for uploads. You are also correct about AT&T disabling HSUPA on the Samsung Captivate, and almost any other phone they released last year not called an iPhone 4. Nobody knows the real reason behind why this happened, I assume it must be some part of the agreement they had in place with Apple, but now that this is over I highly doubt you'll see any phones that are locked out like that again. AT&T is very excited about the launch of the Inspire 4G and Atrix 4G, for them to disable these devices at this point would be silly at best.

everything you said makes perfect sense but i am not put at ease by the fact that AT&T would do this in the first place combined with what we are seeing currently in all the reviews. and i'm not talking about not getting 4g speeds. that's been discussed to death... fine... but weren't all the reviewers getting poor upload speeds too? (i actually don't recall exactly)

Except for the fact that every speed test done on this phone so far has been awful, and the iphone4 blows it away on both download and upload.
I'm gonna get it, and do a speed test with the two sitting next to each other. If I get much higher speeds on the iphone, the inspire is going right back.

I own the captivate and stock the upload was crippled. At first I didn't think that this was a big deal until I learned that upload speed directly relate to dl speeds. It has something to do with that your upload can get clogged and prevent download until it is cleared. But soon after I got the phone the devs released huspa enabled roms and now I get around 3000 down and 1800 up so my thinking is that even if att cripples the inspire which I think is unlikely seeing how they are advertising it as their first 4g, we should be able to use a different modem that will enable higher speeds.
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harlenm said:
Except for the fact that every speed test done on this phone so far has been awful, and the iphone4 blows it away on both download and upload.
I'm gonna get it, and do a speed test with the two sitting next to each other. If I get much higher speeds on the iphone, the inspire is going right back.
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It's not just the Inspire, AT&T has disabled HSUPA in every capable smartphone on their network besides the iPhone 4. I wrote an article a couple days ago where I reviewed the upload speeds from Inspire/Atrix 4G from reviews.
http://emuneee.com/2011/02/is-att-disabling-hsupa-on-its-4g-devices/
Noah at TechnoBuffalo does a side by side speed test of the Inspire 4G and iPhone 4. The iPhone consistently had upload speeds of 900+Kbps while the Inspire maxed at 393Kbps.
Check it out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=KgCIF-G1HO8#t=732s
This should be circumvented by flashing a compatible modem from the Desire HD (Telus, which uses the same 3G bands) with HSUPA enabled.

Ughhh I really hoped they wouldn't do this with there new 4g phone..doesn't make sense to me why they would.
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rooted users will have a solution to this but we shouldn't have to put up with it on principle. I personally feel it is illegal to favor one (i)phone and not others. If they did it across the board then i would be upset but at least they are consistent. But they don't cap the iphone. I've been putting this message out at every media outlet I come across... Consumerist, MSNBC, TWiT, ATT facebook and twitter page, ATT forums, etc. i wish we had the community power to post a new thread on their FB and twitter feed about this every single day.

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It's all good here. Telus Desire HD on ATT

Funk2641 said:
It's all good here. Telus Desire HD on ATT
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Is that actually a Telus Desire HD or AT&T Inspire hardware/software wise? If it is a Telus Desire, it would have it. The Captivate does to, as long as you are using a Telus, Bell, or Rogers modem. It is AT&T specific to the modem file that prevents HSUPA connections.

Telus version
I forgot I pre-ordered 2 months ago

Funk2641 said:
Telus version
I forgot I pre-ordered 2 months ago
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Well now that is just taunting us AT&T people, now isn't it.
Especially the ones that can't take a quick jaunt across the border to get one.
<---Stuck in Texas

After seeing this I did a quick test on my i4 to see what I get at home. Top # is on 3G and 2 # is on wifi at the house. I dont use my phone alot at work cause im too busy being a fedex driver so the 3G doesnt bother me but does. Im mostly on wifi anymore but just giving a comparison here.

aNdroidnut said:
After seeing this I did a quick test on my i4 to see what I get at home. Top # is on 3G and 2 # is on wifi at the house. I dont use my phone alot at work cause im too busy being a fedex driver so the 3G doesnt bother me but does. Im mostly on wifi anymore but just giving a comparison here.
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That would be HSUPA, people.

id10terrordfw said:
Well now that is just taunting us AT&T people, now isn't it.
Especially the ones that can't take a quick jaunt across the border to get one.
<---Stuck in Texas
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Heh, I live in Atlanta, GA.

Funk2641 said:
Heh, I live in Atlanta, GA.
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Quiet, you!

I worry much more about download than I do upload speeds. Currently the upload speeds on the Inspire are going to be slower than the iP4, but download was the same or better on the Inspire running Speedtest about 6 times. After all of the backhaul work on the network is done I think it's gonna be a different story.

Has AT&T Crippled Upload speed?

It sure looks like it. Why? Who knows? Help avoid network congestion? Not once have I seen above 0.5Mbs up. Forget about down. That's terrible too. I feel deceived. Nowhere in the settings will u find HSPA+. Only HSDPA. Go to settings,scroll all the way down. I think its phone info or something. System should day HSPA+ (4G) not HSDPA.
Whatever....I give up.

well first of all, 4G isn't running yet for anyone, and it is crippled, it has been already talked about thou, root ur phone and you'll be fine.

epicKA8 said:
well first of all, 4G isn't running yet for anyone, and it is crippled, it has been already talked about thou, root ur phone and you'll be fine.
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WRONG! Officially,ATT hasit out in Buffalo,Providence,Baltimore.

Fuze-A-Rama said:
WRONG! Officially,ATT hasit out in Buffalo,Providence,Baltimore.
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And I see you're in Brooklyn, so you just answered your own question as to why you're not getting 4G. As suggested earlier, Rooting your phone and flashing a new ROM should give you HSUPA (look through the forum, people are reporting between 1-3mbps up)

It is easy to fix so while it would be nice out of the box the user can fix it.

Fuze-A-Rama said:
It sure looks like it. Why? Who knows? Help avoid network congestion? Not once have I seen above 0.5Mbs up. Forget about down. That's terrible too. I feel deceived. Nowhere in the settings will u find HSPA+. Only HSDPA. Go to settings,scroll all the way down. I think its phone info or something. System should day HSPA+ (4G) not HSDPA.
Whatever....I give up.
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A quick reading on telephony protocol is in order:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Speed_Packet_Access

Fuze-A-Rama said:
WRONG! Officially,ATT hasit out in Buffalo,Providence,Baltimore.
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I am in Baltimore and if I go closer to the city I get the better speeds. I live about 10 miles out so I do not see it at home. I plan on heading there this weekend to run a few speed tests, only problem is there is allot more network congestion there.
I posted this in the Speed thread, the 2nd shot was with my Hero in downtown Baltimore about a month ago.
Here is what I am getting after root in the Inspire, was taken halfway between Baltimore and DC. Not sure why it picked a WV server.
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Here is the best I ever got on my old Hero

homeslice976 said:
And I see you're in Brooklyn, so you just answered your own question as to why you're not getting 4G. As suggested earlier, Rooting your phone and flashing a new ROM should give you HSUPA (look through the forum, people are reporting between 1-3mbps up)
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Holdon justaminute,it says if the arrows under the 4G symbol are illuminated,u got 4G. Well..... they're litup. Most of the time. Something underhanded is goinon with At&t.
Whatzup with that?

mine is illuminated as well, that just means the network is tehre, but if they're only porting 3g speeds over the network, its all yours gonna get.

This is upsetting. Upload speeds are definitely crippled.
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AT&T hasn't launched HSPA+ yet. Upload and download speeds are going to be Shorty 'til it launches. AT&T says that HSPA+ willbe completely rolled out by March 31st.
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Crippled unless they remove the limitation with a firmware update. No prob getting 1700 up on a captivate on my home tower; never break 500 with inspire. Has NOTHING to do with any switch getting flipped with regard to upload speeds.
If you want higher upload speeds, root and flash.

Twenty4 said:
I am in Baltimore and if I go closer to the city I get the better speeds. I live about 10 miles out so I do not see it at home. I plan on heading there this weekend to run a few speed tests, only problem is there is allot more network congestion there.
I posted this in the Speed thread, the 2nd shot was with my Hero in downtown Baltimore about a month ago.
Here is what I am getting after root in the Inspire, was taken halfway between Baltimore and DC. Not sure why it picked a WV server.
Here is the best I ever got on my old Hero
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are u suggesting this is 4g speeds??? i'm getting about that here in chicago on my iphone4 up and down, and up on the inspire.
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So even though the 2 arrows are lit we're not on 4G? Thisis lame. Best I see is 3dn/.5up. WTF? Nobody mentionedtheres no 4G for your new 4G phone yet! .....U think this is something we oughtta know? Before we buy a phone?
Ya think?

im getting on average 4.5download

This is definitely false advertisement on AT&T's part. Miami does not have 4g turned on, it's not even on the AT&T map for current 4g areas, but yesterday a rep. in my friendly neighborhood AT&T store, told me that if I had the "+" next to the "H" I'm getting 4g. So, I did a speed test in front of him and I got 1.8 down and 0.3 up. He seemed baffled and walked away. I just don't want to be stuck for another 2 years for a service that it is not true 4g. Maybe T-mobile 4g or Verizon LTE are better.

Fuze-A-Rama said:
So even though the 2 arrows are lit we're not on 4G? Thisis lame. Best I see is 3dn/.5up. WTF? Nobody mentionedtheres no 4G for your new 4G phone yet! .....U think this is something we oughtta know? Before we buy a phone?
Ya think?
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If the down arrow is lit it means there is downloading going on, if the up arrow is lit it means there is uploading going on, regardless of what network it's connecting to.
When you see the H+, this could mean you're connected to 3G, HSDPA, or, if available, HSPA+ (there's not multiple icons for these networks). HSPA+ (which isn't really "4G" - this is a marketing ploy developed by T-Mobile which AT&T decided to latch on to, I think they should be sued for this) is currently being rolled out, but it's not available in most areas.
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This is definitely false advertisement on AT&T's part. Miami does not have 4g turned on, it's not even on the AT&T map for current 4g areas, but yesterday a rep. in my friendly neighborhood AT&T store, told me that if I had the "+" next to the "H" I'm getting 4g. So, I did a speed test in front of him and I got 1.8 down and 0.3 up. He seemed baffled and walked away. I just don't want to be stuck for another 2 years for a service that it is not true 4g. Maybe T-mobile 4g or Verizon LTE are better.
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T-Mobile 4G is HSPA+ as well, but I think they've rolled it out in more areas. The LTE network is a true 4G network, but I don't know how available it is either

As per owners manual,or quickstart manual that's in the box, it says,when u see the 2 arrows litup that means u got 4G. I know 1 means up & other is down.......
Only VZ & MetroPCS have LTE. This is all just marketspeak for the gullible. Thousands of people think they're on 4G because of marginally better speeds than they were getting!........EXCEPT ON THE UPLOAD!...

homeslice976 said:
If the down arrow is lit it means there is downloading going on, if the up arrow is lit it means there is uploading going on, regardless of what network it's connecting to.
When you see the H+, this could mean you're connected to 3G, HSDPA, or, if available, HSPA+ (there's not multiple icons for these networks). HSPA+ (which isn't really "4G" - this is a marketing ploy developed by T-Mobile which AT&T decided to latch on to, I think they should be sued for this) is currently being rolled out, but it's not available in most areas.
T-Mobile 4G is HSPA+ as well, but I think they've rolled it out in more areas. The LTE network is a true 4G network, but I don't know how available it is either
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Uh, no. LTE is not 4G.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4G

Well... I'm glad we cleared thatup. Back to the question. Why? Engadget said what I was thinking,that its to avoid congestion. So we're suffering because the system can't handle all the customers? Somebody should do something about this......

Holy cow, Inspire got thunderstruck.

How about that thunderbolt? Anybody thinking about switching?
http://www.engadget.com/2011/03/18/htc-thunderbolt-review/
16 mb/s dowload and 45 mb/s upload
My Inspire gets 1.9 mb/s down and 320 kb/s up. \
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AT&T is full of crap!!!

Wait till more than one phone is connected to the lte network and see what happens. I priced out moving my 4 lines over to verizon a few months ago, and it would have cost me $100 more per month.
I see 2.5-3.5 down and usually around 1.3 up. I'm more than happy about that. Most I've ever seen down is about 5, best upload was over 3.

I understand your point, but at least you can see that Verizon is not capping the upload speeds of TB and giving preference to iCrap users.

How can this be true? The picture clearly shows the Inspire 4G in Edge but the captions for the photo say the phone was in HSPA+?
I'm not saying that any 4G phone on AT&T can reach those LTE speeds, but the phone can pull better speeds with HSDPA, not Edge.

the makers of that app have reported problems in reporting the correct upload speed for the thunderbolt too, so the 45 mbps is innaccurate.
besides the main reason its this fast is because of the lack of competing lte signals for the phone as it is new, and att being behind in the lte game

I think the low signal has something to do with it too. I notice sometimes when I have 1 bar, even when connected to H+ I get intolerably slow speeds. But that pic is funny, good point with the Edge and the comment haha.

dacket84 said:
I think the low signal has something to do with it too. I notice sometimes when I have 1 bar, even when connected to H+ I get intolerably slow speeds. But that pic is funny, good point with the Edge and the comment haha.
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With 5 bars and H+ connected I get about 2 - 2.5 mb/s down and 320 kb/s up. Still, that's lousy compared to Verizon's 4g.

Inspire is not running on 4G yet
Go to settings, about phone, networks and it does not show hsdpa or hspa+ is shows UMTS which is also known as 3G....

ballinbashir said:
Go to settings, about phone, networks and it does not show hsdpa or hspa+ is shows UMTS which is also known as 3G....
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I'm running LeeDroids ROM and mine shows hsdpa..... never looked at it while it was stock, though.

Speed
Hi, here in Puerto Rico My best speed was 4.6 Down 1.8 Up...
Thats good for me!!!
I love Inspire

Go into the Thunderbolt threads. The speedtest app can't measure correctly for LTE. When they go to speakeasy in the web browser they're pulling about the same speeds as us.
Sent from my Gingerbreaded Inspire using XDA Premium App

I had a chance to play with a buddy's phone for a few hours and the phone itself seemed slower whenever I pulled up a list, such as apps or pictures. Of course, his phone hasn't been rooted yet, so there may be some untapped potential.

Nice thing about the Inspire is the huge dev community due to Desire HD ROMs being compatible. Thunderbolt is different enough that they will most likely be starting from scratch.

ATT 4G is only HSPA+ not lte so it cant get speeds comparable

Update from the article:
"We've been told by Ookla that the Thunderbolt's massive send buffer is responsible for the erroneously high uplink speeds -- they've got a fix in the works and it'll be available as an update to the Speedtest.net app soon."
I personally don't want to pay $150 for a front-facing camera. I'll stick with my $99 Inspire.

kirk123 said:
How can this be true? The picture clearly shows the Inspire 4G in Edge but the captions for the photo say the phone was in HSPA+?
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i was thinking the exact same thing.
churro! said:
ATT 4G is only HSPA+ not lte so it cant get speeds comparable
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ATT will get LTE...............eventually. Also no one i have seen has HSPA+ yet.

When u compare h+ vs LTE ...atleast make sure u got the right settings on the phone before trying to troll the inspire.
calin75 said:
I understand your point, but at least you can see that Verizon is not capping the upload speeds of TB and giving preference to iCrap users.
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[Q] 4g? Really? Really Tmobile? Really?

Soooooo.... Tmobile does not seem to have a 4g network in my area even if they say they do. I spent the better part of 2hrs talk to tech support managers who tried to convince me that my g2x is pulling down 4g data despite speedtest showing max of only 2mbs and a constant connection to their 3g "umts" network and not their 4g "hspa" network. Really.tmobile? Really? Im starting to think that the hspa network is only a myth.... I mean, I have never seen a device connect to it nor has anyone I know. Have you guys ever been connected to tmo's hspa network?

Damn, thats not good. I'm having the same issue. I can put my SIM in my MyTouch 4G and my G2 and get 4g speeds. They even had me swap SIMs
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In my area of Raleigh NC tmobiles 4g is by far the fastest in my area I get min 5mbs up to 11 MBA usually right around 7 or 8.
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Their 3g is HSPA. Their "4g" is HSPA+. It's not a myth. And your download speed is dependent on many factors. Dont think that just because youre connected to the network youll get maximum HSPA+ speeds.

I get exceptional speeds, ranging anywhere from 6-12.5kbps on their '4G' network, pretty consistently.

Apparently (according to numerous XDA posts I've read) the G2x displays the 4G icon if you're in a 4G OR 3G coverage area. In other words, even if you're only in a 3G area, the 4G icon will be displayed.
As for the speeds, I've pulled down a max of 7mbps since I've had the phone. At my house which is supposedly a 4G area (according to the tmo coverage map) the max I've ever pulled down is 1.8mbps. My theory is that the back-haul is somewhat limited on the tower close to my house. Due to the geography I'm fairly sure they're using the same ISP I'm using (Charter). The tower is located in the middle of a huge suburban area with only Charter and AT&T providing service. AT&T DSL maxes out at 1.5mpbs in the area and Charter maxes out at 18mbps. Now, I've seen the tower and there's no equipment on it for a wireless back-haul. So basically the odds are they're using a few CBN (Charter Business) lines for connectivity and have the max speed per device set to 2mbps.
You can toss as much of the fancy 4G equipment on a tower as you want but if the back-haul capacity isn't there then it's still gonna be slow. Just my two cents.

Go into about phone and look for network. Mine is usually connected to hspa and I'm betting that's what yours is also.

Well 4G = 3G.
4G is the same technology just faster. Thats like my cable modem. It was 1.5mpbs when I first got it. Then 5mpbs. Then 10. Then 20. 30. Now 50mpbs. Nothing changed on my end.
My Nexus One would display 3G until I would pull data, then flip to H. But it wouldn't show 4G all the time (nor would it support faster speeds). I think they are trying to get rid of the 3G because 3G and 4G are basically the same.
People don't want to buy into the 4G service only to have the phone say 3G all the time.
And from my understanding the phone would display 3G. I never seen it but i'm in a 4G area.

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Their 3g is HSPA. Their "4g" is HSPA+. It's not a myth. And your download speed is dependent on many factors. Dont think that just because youre connected to the network youll get maximum HSPA+ speeds.
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sooo then whats HSDPA considered?

HSDPA is an evolved version of HSPA. It allows speeds of 3.6, 7.2, and 14.4Mbis/s. Sometimes called 3.5g
HSPA+ offers speeds up to 42Mbits/s. This is what T-Mobile is claiming as 4g
BOTH are based on the same 3g technology.

player911 said:
Well 4G = 3G.
4G is the same technology just faster. Thats like my cable modem. It was 1.5mpbs when I first got it. Then 5mpbs. Then 10. Then 20. 30. Now 50mpbs. Nothing changed on my end.
My Nexus One would display 3G until I would pull data, then flip to H. But it wouldn't show 4G all the time (nor would it support faster speeds). I think they are trying to get rid of the 3G because 3G and 4G are basically the same.
People don't want to buy into the 4G service only to have the phone say 3G all the time.
And from my understanding the phone would display 3G. I never seen it but i'm in a 4G area.
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HSPA+ isn't exactly the same technology and if you're getting 50mbps service through Comcast, either you just got the service or you did change your modem out recently. DOCSIS 2 wouldn't support that speed, you'd need a DOCSIS 3 modem.

regP said:
HSDPA is an evolved version of HSPA. It allows speeds of 3.6, 7.2, and 14.4Mbis/s. Sometimes called 3.5g
HSPA+ offers speeds up to 42Mbits/s. This is what T-Mobile is claiming as 4g
BOTH are based on the same 3g technology.
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ahh i get ya...that always confused me

I live 150 miles from the closest hspa+ signal. my g2x has said 4g since i first turned it on. I even showed it to the tmobile salesmen and they scratched their heads. never seen higher than 1.5 mbps on this thing.

I don't care what TMO wants to call it, their network is a far cry from 4G. Not Even Verizon's LTE is considered true 4G by international standards (which require +100mb down) and I get 30-35mb down and 12-15mb up. On TMO network, I have yet to top 7mb.

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I don't care what TMO wants to call it, their network is a far cry from 4G. Not Even Verizon's LTE is considered true 4G by international standards (which require +100mb down) and I get 30-35mb down and 12-15mb up. On TMO network, I have yet to top 7mb.
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Well that's a whole other topic right? Gizmodo, Engadget, etc have all discussed that no network is truly "4G". Recently tho I thought something changed where they lowered the requirement for what is considered 4G.
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Seanathan said:
Well that's a whole other topic right? Gizmodo, Engadget, etc have all discussed that no network is truly "4G". Recently tho I thought something changed where they lowered the requirement for what is considered 4G.
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I've heard that as well, they lowered the spec to 10Mbps or so. Here's the first link I could find talking about it, but there are plenty more Link

jlevy73 said:
I don't care what TMO wants to call it, their network is a far cry from 4G. Not Even Verizon's LTE is considered true 4G by international standards (which require +100mb down) and I get 30-35mb down and 12-15mb up. On TMO network, I have yet to top 7mb.
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at least wimax and lte will have the ability to reach those theoretical speeds in future revisions. HSPA is maxed out at 84Mb/s.

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Go into about phone and look for network. Mine is usually connected to hspa and I'm betting that's what yours is also.
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Post a screen shot of your settings showing "Mobile Network Type" being connected to "HSPA" and Not UMTS. My device has NEVER see seen "HSPA" only "UMTS".
In fact, someone/anyone please post a picture of this device being connected to HSPA and NOT UMTS! i am in a certified 4g network and my device has never seen more than 2.5mbs....
really t-mobile? really?

4G just means 4th Generation. There is no official definition of what technically constitutes 4G.
This is what I get at home with a 4G icon and a reported UMTS connection.
T-Mo's 4G may not be as theoretically fast as LTE or whatever else, but the 6 ~12 Mbps down is as good as I can do with anything right now.
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I'm finally getting real speeds after trying MetroPcsand Sprint. For me here in the Dallas area right on top of the airport, I'm now seeing up to 8.5 up. I'm pretty happy with that. I just plain never saw anything faster than 1.5in my town.....ever. And that was the first time I had my Indulge on metros system. I left for Sprint, who could never get past 1.0 Mbps, not once in three weeks of use. Went back to Metro and never saw anything past .5....apparently they are having systemwide issues right now.
I am esctatic over my speeds now. And I really am liking the other aspects I've seen of T mobile as well. Live people on the phone, the soon to be free wifi calling, and the in phone account info are all nice things. Their fees are right ion the middle.
And this phone......I have not had one issue (minor bleed)that others are reporting (yet?). I keep waiting for the other shoe to drop LOL.
As far as speeds, I have to inject my usual caveat here....
I'm not convinced on Speedtests accuracy. With all those low speeds reported, my device was usually functioning faster than Speedtest seemed to indicate. I mean on MetroPcs, the speedtest was saying .5, yet the page would load in 6 seconds or so. That's not modem speeds IMO. Not broadband speeds for sure, but not modem speeds.
Now this phone is fast! It loads a screen faster than my cheep laptop on fios broadband!
So I have to ask the op this....You say the speeds suck, but how is it actually functioning? Are your real world experiences really in line with your numbers? Do the pages load really slow? What experiences do you have with other carriers in your area?
For me, jumping around like I've been doing, its been a lot about the big picture. I was over all really happy with the Samsung Indulge. It's battery issues IMO are one of the worst in the industry. But they are being figured out. The issue for me was that I had to really battle with Samsung's customer service and the policy (?) of totally ignoring peoples questions. And then Metro started having the speed issues and won't acknowledge them as well.
I had a huge issue with Sprint regarding some outright lies they told me concerning joining them w/ my own phones and signing a contract. They refused to even throw me a bone even tho' IMO I was totally in the right. Then every person I spoke to was rude and uncaring. And my reception was awful. Bye bye.
My point is, there are going to be issues no matter where you go. Things should be looked at in their totality. People are upset about this phone, but I hear LG saying they know about them and are working to fix them. There are always gonna be people having connectivity issues....it's radio waves people. But three times I've called T mobile and three times I spoke with an american live person....win! And three times I left satisfied w/ my results. I've said several times, people are talking about being on their third and forth phones...how is that not great service? I'm sure LG and and T mobile are beside themselves over these issues, esp LG. This their flagship phone. You know they want it right.
I should have stopped typing after I asked the OP the question....sorry I can't help it. Imagine being my wife? After about two minutes of listening she gets this glassy look in her eyes ha ha!
I just think this phone and T mobile deserve a little defense. At this point, they're going to have to piss me off pretty bad, 'cause I'm very happy so far.