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Is froyo going to happen?

I am worried about a potential Behold II situation here. This phone has been out internationally for months and we still have no custom roms of 2.2, or even 2.1 only modified versions of Sammys stock.
Are there differences structurally with samsung's programming and files structure that preclude the use of custom roms? I want one of these galaxy s phones but I am concerned that there is no development. What is going on with theses phones?

Random people around the interwebs are saying that the Galxay S should get it's 2.2 update in August sometime.
Not sure how solid their sources are. Once they get it, then AT&T has to get a hold of it and modify it, that will take a few more months I'm sure.
I do not think there is anything stopping chefs from making modified ROMs. They just need to do it. I think some are waiting for 2.2 to come out as it is a much better base for a ROM performance wise.
Some are saying the the bootloader is not locked, which makes it even easier. Now that people can reliably flash back to the stock ROM things should pick up.

I think having 512 MB of RAM is proof enough that 2.2 support will be coming. Otherwise they could have cut the RAM in half and saved money on their end.
Samsung has confirmed many times that 2.2 is coming, and I do believe that. What probably won't happen is 3.0 which this phone should be capable of handling as well (judging from system requirements mentioned to this point). That's where our guys will get to work and try to cook something up.

If someone (not Samsung) can port 2.2 to it, then it bodes well for 3.0...
I'm not worried about 2.2 (Samsung is bringing that, at least)... What worries me is 3.0

Samsung has confirmed that 2.2 is coming, well to the international version at least. They have never specifically said if its coming for T-mo or AT&T versions. In all honesty I'm more concerned with getting Gingerbread. As slack as Samsung is about releasing software updates, this has me worried a lot. Also, I'm wondering if samsung will ever even fix the GPS. Its been months and no official word yet. You read all these posts in here "samsung is aware and are workign on it." But who has said this in an official capacity, I dont want to hear opinions.
Whats stopping ROM chefs? The lack of open source info on the phone. Samsung has not released any of the driver info that is necessary to make custom ROM's. Until that happens or someone inside samsung leaks its, no custom ROM's.

There are already Captivate units in testing with FroYo and have been before release. Unfortunately, I doubt AT&T will be in any rush to approve it...
When I first got the Captivate, I thought it would be tough going back, but I haven't really missed anything. The Captivate Exchange client supports calendar sync (a big issue with my Android 2.1 Nexus One), the browser is fast enough for my needs and I really haven't noticed any slowdowns that the new JIT JVM would have helped much. The only things I really miss at all are the upgraded market app and Flash 10.1. Even those aren't that critical.

I really hope Froyo doesn't turn out to be a disappointment

Now Froyo is supposed to be a major milestone with Android, but, frankly, I think the same thing was said about Android 2.1. I don't care much for the USB tethering (because we already have that), wifi hotspot feature (because I'm not going to use it), and so on, but there are a few major points of things I'm hanging on.
Notably, the supposed performance improvement being 2-5x greater than Android 2.1 That is a big claim and, if true, then the Captivate will be completely lag free on stock. If so, the usability on this phone will just shoot straight up. The smoother transition and animation should also help this greatly.
I'm not too concerned about having Flash 10.1, but Froyo is also supposed to come with numerous other improvements. I know the browser is being updated to support some hardware features, but I hope Google is also improving the general usability of the browser. As it is now, it kind of sucks. Additionally, I also hope the Youtube app is also updated.
Nonetheless, even if all the others remain nothing more than a dream, I, at the least, hope the improvement performance/transitions/animation turns out to be something of substance.
Well, here's to September.

The Captivate has plenty of cpu power... it seems that most of the lag we are expeirencing comes with the filesystem Samsung has chosen to use and it's poor I/O performance. I'm not sure if Froyo will help too much - but I would expect that once 2.2 hits the custom ROM scene will really kick off, and hopefull somebody will implement YAFFS or whatever some of the other phones (Nexus 1, etc) are using.
We may see better battery life if the system needs fewer CPU cycles to accomplish the same tasks it's doing now.
Don't forget - we'll also receive the new kernal which should double the available RAM from 256mb in 2.1 to 512mb in 2.2 - though the system seems to currently report there is currently 325mb aviable. In either case, it will be a big increase - though I'm not really having any memory issues at the moment.
I'm trying not to get too excited for it, but it does make some impressive promises.

^ Well, Samsung does have its own customized version of Android. I'd imagine that the one they're rolling out in September will contain an improved filesystem (as I've heard that Samsung is currently aware of the issue) and, in combination with Froyo's own improvements, should do a lot to help Android perform better.
I wasn't aware of the kernel thing. I don't see how is that possible, though. The Captivate has a total of 512MB RAM, so wouldn't it need a part of that in order to operate normally?

The new kernel in 2.2 has HIMEM support and supports more than 256mb, which is what 2.1 is limited to. I'm not sure if Samsung tweaked the kernel to support the 325mb we have now or how that figure is derived, but right now we can't use all the RAM that the Captivate packs.

^ I looked up info on 'HIGHMEM' and I see what you mean now. The updated kernel supports devices with RAM greater than 256MB RAM. I thought you actually meant that the kernel will make all 512MB available for the user.
Alright, that sounds good. I guess the additional support may be why there is supposed to be increased smoothness and animation.

8525Smart said:
Now Froyo is supposed to be a major milestone with Android, but, frankly, I think the same thing was said about Android 2.1. I don't care much for the USB tethering (because we already have that), wifi hotspot feature (because I'm not going to use it), and so on, but there are a few major points of things I'm hanging on.
Notably, the supposed performance improvement being 2-5x greater than Android 2.1 That is a big claim and, if true, then the Captivate will be completely lag free on stock. If so, the usability on this phone will just shoot straight up. The smoother transition and animation should also help this greatly.
I'm not too concerned about having Flash 10.1, but Froyo is also supposed to come with numerous other improvements. I know the browser is being updated to support some hardware features, but I hope Google is also improving the general usability of the browser. As it is now, it kind of sucks. Additionally, I also hope the Youtube app is also updated.
Nonetheless, even if all the others remain nothing more than a dream, I, at the least, hope the improvement performance/transitions/animation turns out to be something of substance.
Well, here's to September.
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I totally agree with you. I couldn't care less about tethering, hotspot or Flash. I never used them and never will. I just don't need them.
The only thing I care about is the speed improvement. I don't really believe it will have 2-5x improvement boost because, well, every claim is exaggerated. But I am expecting something.
That said, I am not too optimistic though. I have tried several Droid 2 in Verizon stores. It's very disappointing. It feels rather sluggish and laggy. Even worse than the Captivate now. And apparently Engadget reviewer agrees with me.
So as much as I welcome the birth of 2.2, I am not as optimistic as others.
And final words, I don't think we'll get the update in Sept. I think Samsung will (hopefully) release it in Sept, but it will take AT&T another month or two to load their crap.
I wish I am wrong.

mwxiao said:
And final words, I don't think we'll get the update in Sept. I think Samsung will (hopefully) release it in Sept, but it will take AT&T another month or two to load their crap.
I wish I am wrong.
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Since the test roms that have come out are from Samsung and they already have AT&T crap on them, I believe its safe to assume that Samsung is making the roms for AT&T. So, there should be no extra step for AT&T to load their crap...it should come directly from Samsung.

Considering 2.2 has gotten a ton of praise from other phones that are already using it I'm sure our Froyo will be a worthwhile upgrade as well. Sure, Samsung might screw the pooch on some things again, but overall it will be better.

This isn't Windoze, how can an upgrade be disappointing?
Bring on the Froyo!

cappysw10 said:
This isn't Windoze, how can an upgrade be disappointing?
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I am sure an update is always good. But if it doesn't meet the high expectations, it will be a disappointment. And I think the expectations are pretty high.

mwxiao said:
That said, I am not too optimistic though. I have tried several Droid 2 in Verizon stores. It's very disappointing. It feels rather sluggish and laggy. Even worse than the Captivate now. And apparently Engadget reviewer agrees with me.
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Whoa, looks like I was a bit outdated. I actually hadn't realize Motorola's Droid 2 was using Froyo already (I still thought the Nexus One was the only phone that had it ).
Regarding the September release, I actually thought it was taking until September because Samsung is currently modifying all of their Froyo ROMs for each individual smartphone/carrier. After all, Froyo has technically been released already, so why else is Samsung taking until September to officially release it to all of their handsets?
glio1337 said:
Considering 2.2 has gotten a ton of praise from other phones that are already using it I'm sure our Froyo will be a worthwhile upgrade as well. Sure, Samsung might screw the pooch on some things again, but overall it will be better.
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That's just the thing, though. As I said, prior Android releases have garnered praise too. Eclair has gotten praise and was said to improve hardware performance, have a better browser UI, improved virtual keyboard, and so on. Of those three, I think the only one I would agree has truly improved is the virtual keyboard (I think the Android keyboard works very well on Eclair). The other listed improvements? Not so much.
Of course, Froyo will be better overall, but I just hope it's actually a milestone release with the proclaimed changes making a big difference instead of just steadily updating the platform with people telling me afterwards to wait for Gingerbread.

When reviews from places like Gizmodo, Engadget, Boy Genius etc say that they think 2.2 is a worthy step up from 2.1, I tend to take it as truth.
Regardless of any of that, all of the goodness from 2.2 is dependent on Samsung/ATT because they have the power to muck it up badly as they did with 2.1.

glio1337 said:
When reviews from places like Gizmodo, Engadget, Boy Genius etc say that they think 2.2 is a worthy step up from 2.1, I tend to take it as truth.
Regardless of any of that, all of the goodness from 2.2 is dependent on Samsung/ATT because they have the power to muck it up badly as they did with 2.1.
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Really? I find engadget and gizmodo to be awful at everything but aggregating news. Their opinions are always so uninformed and seem to be governed by whatever the fashionable opinion at the time.

Their product reviews are pretty good, or at the very least talk about the things most people would care about.

8525Smart said:
After all, Froyo has technically been released already, so why else is Samsung taking until September to officially release it to all of their handsets?
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Samsung needs to customize it for its hardware and put on Twisted-Wiz UI. It's slow.
That's just the thing, though. As I said, prior Android releases have garnered praise too. Eclair has gotten praise and was said to improve hardware performance, have a better browser UI, improved virtual keyboard, and so on. Of those three, I think the only one I would agree has truly improved is the virtual keyboard (I think the Android keyboard works very well on Eclair). The other listed improvements? Not so much.
Of course, Froyo will be better overall, but I just hope it's actually a milestone release with the proclaimed changes making a big difference instead of just steadily updating the platform with people telling me afterwards to wait for Gingerbread.
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I don't believe a 0.1 upgrade will be considered as milestone. We will definitely see speed improvement. But it's normal for every update. You always wait for the next update. It's always snappier.
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When reviews from places like Gizmodo, Engadget, Boy Genius etc say that they think 2.2 is a worthy step up from 2.1, I tend to take it as truth.
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Of cause it's gonna be a worthy update. It's always worthy to upgrade to the next version. The question is, is it going to be as dramatic as they claimed? Personally, I don't think so.

cappysw10 said:
This isn't Windoze, how can an upgrade be disappointing?
Bring on the Froyo!
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Gotta love windows haters...
Any way, I cannot wait for froyo because I want to be able to move apps to the SD, to use flash without having to use Skyfire and using the extra memory should help too.
Plus I am expecting a TON of ROMs when it comes out so slowly but surely they phone would be maximize.

shaolin95 said:
...be able to move apps to the SD...
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Quoted for truth

I am more looking forward to an official lag fix and GPS fix moreso than Froyo.

I just read somewhere that JIT was written for the snapdragon processors and that while it may give us a little performance it wasn't really written for the hummingbird processor in our phones...so the chances of Samsung rewriting it just for us is probably very slim

The claims of 2-5x performance increase do seem hard to believe, but I believe these figures came from actual testing on the Nexus One running 2.2. Of course, I think we all know how reliable benchmarks are...
September is only a few hours away... where is our Froyo!!

2.2 vs. 3.0

Would the community rather have 2.2 by tomorrow, with no indication or promise of future updates, or 3.0 almost as soon as it comes out? I'm curious to see the community opinion.

Good question. I know a lot more about 2.2 right now, and the JIT compiler, developer push notifications and Flash in the browser are pretty good things.

I really don't think we're getting 3.0

Without knowing how it runs on our phone or using it, who would sign up for it? This is a loaded question - wait for some reviews then ask the question.
And when you say "when 3.0 is released" - I assume you mean Mid October even though it is not possible for a port to hit our phone for months?
The only logical answer is to say 2.2 now - 3.0 is an unknown - when will it be available and how will it run on our hardware? What features does it add? etc.
And in the end, everyone would say give me 2.2 now and still complain later when they can't update to 3.0.

k2snowboards88 said:
I really don't think we're getting 3.0
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That is correct. Samsung has only committed to one major update and that is FroYo.
Everyone knows how much Samsung hates giving software updates so you can bet the house that Gingerbread is not coming to Galaxy S. They'll be on to their next big thing by then. They refuse to waste software engineers on putting out updates once they already have your money.

derek4484 said:
That is correct. Samsung has only committed to one major update and that is FroYo.
Everyone knows how much Samsung hates giving software updates so you can bet the house that Gingerbread is not coming to Galaxy S. They'll be on to their next big thing by then. They refuse to waste software engineers on putting out updates once they already have your money.
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If that was honestly the case I'd never buy another Samsung product again. I'm locked into this phone for at least two years, it should last at least 4. This thing had better get 3.0 at least. I'll give them the benefit of the doubt for now, I haven't had too many samsung experiences in general.

From the little I've read, it sounds like 3.0 is more intended for larger devices.

brandonb81 said:
If that was honestly the case I'd never buy another Samsung product again. I'm locked into this phone for at least two years, it should last at least 4. This thing had better get 3.0 at least. I'll give them the benefit of the doubt for now, I haven't had too many samsung experiences in general.
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Samsung is notorious for not giving software updates. Once they have your money they dont care about you.
Ask anybody else who's had a samsung smartphone. Especially anyone with a Samsung Beam, they just announced yesterday 2.1 is as far as its going and its a pretty new phone. Samsung Moment did get one update from 1.6 to 2.1 but thats as far as its going and that phone is still pretty new, its was only released less than a year ago. Other samsung phones never even got a single update they're still on 1.5/1.6.

brandonb81 said:
If that was honestly the case I'd never buy another Samsung product again. I'm locked into this phone for at least two years, it should last at least 4. This thing had better get 3.0 at least. I'll give them the benefit of the doubt for now, I haven't had too many samsung experiences in general.
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I would have to agree. Not only would I never buy another Samsung product but I'd tell anyone that would listen not to buy one either.

jdsemler said:
From the little I've read, it sounds like 3.0 is more intended for larger devices.
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Thats not true. The next version is certainly designed for phones. Google was bragging about Gingerbread at their last conference.

The carrier is just as responsible for software updates as the manufacturer. If the carrier has no interest, then Samsung won't build it.

cappysw10 said:
I would have to agree. Not only would I never buy another Samsung product but I'd tell anyone that would listen not to buy one either.
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I agree that they should be legally required to give you updates for however long your contract is. But they dont. Samsung has already stated they are going to give us one major update, and that is from 2.1 to 2.2. They'll give maintenance updates but thats it.

I think we will receive 3.0 - the only logical reason we wouldn't would be if another wave of Galaxy S phones came in that were twice as powerful.
Currently we are boasting a 1GHz processor, 512mb of RAM and a 4" AMOLED screen. Top of the line as smartphones are concerned. Now If a 2GHz, 1GB Ram phone came out then I could see us possibly not getting 3.0.... but I personally think it's the reason why Samsung has been so quiet about our 2.2 questions.
The Original Motorola Droid was on 2.2 before the Droid X! - sometimes pre-existence is better ;D

We have the exact recommended specs for gingerbread. Google released them a few weeks ago. I don't see a point release (2.1 - 2.2) as being a major update. Granted, its a nice bump in terms of upgrades and additions but is not what I would consider major.

I would like to see 2.2 as soon as possible, and then maybe 3.0 if Samsung bothers to get it done (which I would only give a 50% chance of occuring).
It's important to get 2.2 onto these phones so the developers can use it as the base for their modifications and ROMs. I think the chances of getting 2.2 in late october or mid november are pretty good, but I wouldn't expect 3.0 to land until next year (if it happens).
I'm really looking forward to 2.2, but I want the newest version of Swype even more urgently. I can't believe I have this device that says "look at me I have swype," but doesn't even have any way of getting the newest version with the text input button. Heck, I would even pay a few bucks to get the latest version, but there's simply no way at all to get it.

Is seriously doubt we'll get 3.0. I would be happy with a GPS fix and 2.2.

gtg465x said:
Is seriously doubt we'll get 3.0. I would be happy with a GPS fix and 2.2.
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This. Just make this phone actually work and I'll be happy.

I would be happy as hell with ASOP 2.2, anything that has no touch wiz.
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gtg465x said:
Is seriously doubt we'll get 3.0. I would be happy with a GPS fix and 2.2.
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I would imagine, though, that with Cyanogenmod having brought Froyo 2.2 to the T-Mobile G1, we will get a version of 3.0 on our Captivates even if it is not from Samsung.

elgo said:
I would imagine, though, that with Cyanogenmod having brought Froyo 2.2 to the T-Mobile G1, we will get a version of 3.0 on our Captivates even if it is not from Samsung.
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I guess maybe I'm just a pessimist, but what would make you think that cyanogen would bring 3.0 to the Captivate? They havent even brought 2.2 to it yet?

Gingerbread 'in next few days' (for N1)

Im sure most of you have seen this buy now, but I figured, no harm in posting it. Lucky nexus users......
http://www.engadget.com/2010/11/08/open-handset-alliance-member-confirms-android-2-3-is-gingerbread/

Yup.
Saw it here too
http://www.informationweek.com/news/smb/mobile/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=228200423&itc=ref-true
This makes Samsung look lazy..

mymansionisabox said:
This makes Samsung look lazy..
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Gingerbread landing on Google's own developer phone prior to every other handset makes Samsung look lazy?

hawkeyefan said:
Gingerbread landing on Google's own developer phone prior to every other handset makes Samsung look lazy?
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Because Samsung has yet to launch 2.2 on their own "premiere" Galaxy S line of phones.
Of course, this is my opinion.
2.2 has been released officially since May 2010.
Droid X was released July 15th, with Android 2.1
Android 2.2 was pushed OTA to Droid X on September 22, 2010
Samsung Captivate was released July 18th with Android 2.1... still no Froyo
I'm not complaining. I'm stating my opinion...
And now.. 2.3 is coming out and I think most of us would agree. If the N1 can handle 2.3, so can the Captivate, the whole Galaxy S line.
So yes.. lazy.. because now they will have to start working on a release for 2.3 and they haven't even finished a 2.2 release. You and I already know Motorola is on top of this.
Maybe lazy isn't the best choice of words.. but.. whatever. I think you get my point.

Ah, in relation to Froyo, gotcha. I agree to a certain extent.

I highly doubt we will see an official 2.3 release...
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hawkeyefan said:
Ah, in relation to Froyo, gotcha. I agree to a certain extent.
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Yeah haha. I mean I'm not bashing Samsung. I'm just in fear that they might be a bit over their heads now.
They basically are going to have to stay in constant development with this.. They haven't finished 2.2 yet and now 2.3 is about to be released.
I fear that our phones will be left behind FAR before they really should be.
Idk.. I'm a pessimist a guess.

mymansionisabox said:
Yeah haha. I mean I'm not bashing Samsung. I'm just in fear that they might be a bit over their heads now.
They basically are going to have to stay in constant development with this.. They haven't finished 2.2 yet and now 2.3 is about to be released.
I fear that our phones will be left behind FAR before they really should be.
Idk.. I'm a pessimist a guess.
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That's strange...last few time I talked with the Galaxy people at Samsung..it was told to me that 2.2 has been finished at all of the Carriers for some time..This makes this very confusing for me to say the least. Is it really Samsung at fault...or the carriers that are at fault with all of the delays of releasing the 2.2 update stateside ? Is it the us based carriers that are adding to it to be able lock the phones down and change things around on it..or Samsung ?
I can understand where folks are saying Android is fragmented if the carriers are causing this, but I don't understand why there can't be unified coding across all manufacturers lines when it comes to the os of Android.After all isn't it based off of ASOP and Linux and isn't that supposed to be all open source..? I do understand the differences in the various hardware requirements between all of the Android phones..but the core os should be the same shouldn't it ? So...who is at fault..the carriers..or Samsung..or both ? Who is really causing the delays..? Who is going to make the determination if any future development happens..the carriers or Samsung ?
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mymansionisabox said:
Motorola is on top of this.
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ROFL. Motorola is on top of nothing. Bottom maybe with VZW on top. If not for VZW, I don't know that Motorola would EVER push out updates. Just look at what they did with the cliq/backflip/dext/cliqxt/devour... it took FOREVER, and most parts of the world aren't even officially getting it (2.1).

Probably buying HTC from now on. They get cyanogen and sense, and somewhat timely updates
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Flash one of the great leaked 2.2 ROMs......problem solved. A Gingerbread based custom ROM will likely follow at some point.

Personally I do not even believe we will see a official release of 2.2 much less 2.3. Unlikely that we will ever see a GPS fix either at&t has their handsfull with the new windows phone. I also think that at&t is to blame.
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larmor19 said:
Personally I do not even believe we will see a official release of 2.2 much less 2.3.
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And why don't you believe 2.2 will be released? Do you know that the Android developers for AT&T aren't the same ones that work on the Windows phone?

tbong777 said:
Flash one of the great leaked 2.2 ROMs......problem solved. A Gingerbread based custom ROM will likely follow at some point.
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It will be difficult without source from SAMSUNG
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larmor19 said:
Personally I do not even believe we will see a official release of 2.2 much less 2.3. Unlikely that we will ever see a GPS fix either at&t has their handsfull with the new windows phone. I also think that at&t is to blame.
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Hmmm... obviously, Samsung is working on a 2.2 release. We have already gotten two leaked builds. The official release will be coming. Now with regards to 2.3. I don't think it's going to happen. It seems as though Samsung is focusing their efforts to push new products rather than support old ones.

"Old Ones?" this phone isnt even 6 months old yet and it'll be obsolete soon. if not for the geniuses here at XDA it would already be obsolete. i love my captivate but i think its getting ready to get left in the dust. hope i get proven wrong though.

Left in the dust? How so? 2.3. Is not even out yet. At least we have leaked versions of froyo...which will still be better then an official one. All we need is the source. The devs can handle the rest from there otherwise the devs spend there time unlocking all the crap that Samsung and att locked down
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This is what I don't like about Android (well not Android itself, but the Android market)...while N1 owners will be playing with 2.3 I will be stuck with 2.1.
F Samsung/Motorola whoever and their heavily modified ROMS. I don't need your Touchwiz/MotoBLUR/etc...just give me the stock ROM so that you save yourself the headache of upgrading and us too.

Samsung originally released their 2.2 back in late September/October to Europe - then was promptly pulled due to it being complete junk.
Now they are re-distributing it this month with a probably still junk release of 2.2. They screwed up so bad due to all the crap they half-assed into these phones (touchwiz, rfs file system etc...)
Samsung really needs to re-evaluate their development team and decide if they are going to be serious about the software side or farm it out to a third party that can program. Because.... their development department is probably the worst out there when it comes to android development.
I mean... there are probably Kirf teams in China that can code better!
Lazy.. no, greedy and not caring about the consumer and not taking pride the end result? Sure I can go with that.

PixelPerfect3 said:
This is what I don't like about Android (well not Android itself, but the Android market)...while N1 owners will be playing with 2.3 I will be stuck with 2.1.
F Samsung/Motorola whoever and their heavily modified ROMS. I don't need your Touchwiz/MotoBLUR/etc...just give me the stock ROM so that you save yourself the headache of upgrading and us too.
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This exactly.
Android is supposed to be this huge open source project, and while we can root and mod and flash all we like, we should also have the option of just being able to go to google and get the newest version ourselves.
The fact that not only the carriers (which is to be expected) but the manufacturers feel the need to bloat up the software is frustrating and annoying!

Samsunng Infuse 4g Android 4.0

Am I the only one thinking/hoping that we are getting Ice Cream Sandwich??? I mean it releases on October 11124 and we still don't have gingerbread you know? This is just hopeful thinking... it would be nice to have the absolute latest OS and features though
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Doubt it. We'll probably get Ginger in a week or two and come next year sometime, we'll get icecream.maybe.
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Nah... ATT is just slow.

Thumb rule: We are always a release behind

I don't mean to be pessimistic but that sounds very unlikely.
Maybe in the long run, but even that seems unlikely since new phones are coming out all the time.
Also, Samsung hasn't expressed much love for the Infuse so I doubt they would spend much time making an official ICS ROM for it.

bscotth said:
I don't mean to be pessimistic but that sounds very unlikely.
Maybe in the long run, but even that seems unlikely since new phones are coming out all the time.
Also, Samsung hasn't expressed much love for the Infuse so I doubt they would spend much time making an official ICS ROM for it.
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Yea I see what you're saying but I mean something should click in there heads to update a great phone with great firmware, jus makes it better...
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Chances of ICS on the Infuse - extremely slim.
They're pretty good for the GSII though.

Just hope for a leak.

KingVekxin said:
Yea I see what you're saying but I mean something should click in there heads to update a great phone with great firmware, jus makes it better...
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It's all about marketing man. Update a phone less, spend money advertising for a better phone (SGSII) and finally get a higher return in $.
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Hell no...
Ex captivate owners will tell you...
People forget that the captivate came with eclair and that gingerbread was released before the captivate even got froyo...
No we will not get ice cream sandwich before gingerbread ...
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I read a lot of places, sorry i do not have the links, that once they have it, it should work with anything, just the software mods itself when it is installed on the phone/tablet/computer (if they make any). It sounds pretty out there, but it is nice to dream. If it would work, then the only updates that the phones would need from the carriers/manufacturers are the modems and kernels.

I would say yes way down the line but the sgs2 is gonna get all the love
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I took the OP as are we gonna see 4.0 before 2.3.....and that answer is a big fat no....
Are we gonna get ICS at some point? Probably ...
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im probably wrong, but im for sure i read somewhere saying that ICS was gunna be an operating system that was like for all android phones? what i mean is that ICS is gunna be one platform for all android phones like iOS for the iphone. idk

Who cares..., am I the only one who thinks that AAAALLLLL the OS's look the freaking Sam with a different number? Its like with my infuse when we went from froyo to "gingerbread" the only real advantage I noticed was a couple of features added, like tthe FRONT facing camera working with Skype, and other silly stuff like that. For instance, MIUI is a whole new beast on its own but speed dial option is eluding me lol
I guess I'm more or less rudely asking for a bonus feature list from ICS.
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The Infuse is the new Optimus, aka poor mans smart phone. I had a customer tell me today he wouldnt give 2 squirts of piss for the Infuse, that pretty much sums it up.

steezinstangl said:
im probably wrong, but im for sure i read somewhere saying that ICS was gunna be an operating system that was like for all android phones? what i mean is that ICS is gunna be one platform for all android phones like iOS for the iphone. idk
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"all" in the generic sense - instead of having 2.x for phones and 3.x for tablets, 4.0 will support both phones and tablets.
However, every device that Android runs on needs customizations specific to the hardware. In many cases, those hardware drivers/libraries are closed source so it's not easy to port them unless the manufacturer does.
"all" in this case means a manufacturer can do a device bringup of 4.x on a tablet or a phone. But someone still needs to do the device bringup, and on a device with lots of closed-source proprietary bits, device bringup can be difficult if not impossible. Look at the state of CM7 for example - it didn't really get off the ground until Rogers released Gingerbread because the Froyo libraries weren't compatible with Gingerbread, and even with the Rogers proprietary bits, some things still don't work.

If it comes to the Infuse it won't be before May. Probably closer to a year from now.
The joys of fragmentation.
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Icecream Sandwick
I want icecream but For now I think i am going to stick to dlev rom cause it runs great.

Patience...it's coming
Alot of people don't really understand the process of releasing an OS update for an android. From what I can gather, Google releases the OS to the manufacturers which then tailor it to the individual phones. Then they release it to the providers (AT&T, Sprint etc.) which tailor it to their network and pollute it with bloatware. When they're sure it's somewhat error free, they release it to us.
AT&T for example, is frantically trying to finish their version, but they obviously have an issue or two...or twenty...who knows. They have to finish it, compile it, then do test updates, then test the updates and pray it worked. It takes time. I am far from patient so I already installed the GB 2.3.5 leak and can honestly say it's a major improvement. Bluetooth works better, everything is faster, and those annoying lags whenever you do a level 2 memory clear or detach the USB are fixed. But the leak has its issues, so I'm giving AT&T the benefit of the doubt and waiting to see if the mid October release actually happens. But since they lied and failed to deliver in September, I'm not holding my breath.
As far as ICS is concerned, I doubt AT&T has even had a chance to look at it yet. I would be amazed if we saw it this time next year. But we will get it. LOTS of people have the Infuse so it's not going to be left out or treated like a forgotten step-child like some people claim. It's a great phone with one of the nicest, biggest displays you can get, and it runs anything you throw at it even with its single core processor. What makes the Infuse bad is forcing it to run on AT&T.