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2.2 vs. 3.0

Would the community rather have 2.2 by tomorrow, with no indication or promise of future updates, or 3.0 almost as soon as it comes out? I'm curious to see the community opinion.

Good question. I know a lot more about 2.2 right now, and the JIT compiler, developer push notifications and Flash in the browser are pretty good things.

I really don't think we're getting 3.0

Without knowing how it runs on our phone or using it, who would sign up for it? This is a loaded question - wait for some reviews then ask the question.
And when you say "when 3.0 is released" - I assume you mean Mid October even though it is not possible for a port to hit our phone for months?
The only logical answer is to say 2.2 now - 3.0 is an unknown - when will it be available and how will it run on our hardware? What features does it add? etc.
And in the end, everyone would say give me 2.2 now and still complain later when they can't update to 3.0.

k2snowboards88 said:
I really don't think we're getting 3.0
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That is correct. Samsung has only committed to one major update and that is FroYo.
Everyone knows how much Samsung hates giving software updates so you can bet the house that Gingerbread is not coming to Galaxy S. They'll be on to their next big thing by then. They refuse to waste software engineers on putting out updates once they already have your money.

derek4484 said:
That is correct. Samsung has only committed to one major update and that is FroYo.
Everyone knows how much Samsung hates giving software updates so you can bet the house that Gingerbread is not coming to Galaxy S. They'll be on to their next big thing by then. They refuse to waste software engineers on putting out updates once they already have your money.
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If that was honestly the case I'd never buy another Samsung product again. I'm locked into this phone for at least two years, it should last at least 4. This thing had better get 3.0 at least. I'll give them the benefit of the doubt for now, I haven't had too many samsung experiences in general.

From the little I've read, it sounds like 3.0 is more intended for larger devices.

brandonb81 said:
If that was honestly the case I'd never buy another Samsung product again. I'm locked into this phone for at least two years, it should last at least 4. This thing had better get 3.0 at least. I'll give them the benefit of the doubt for now, I haven't had too many samsung experiences in general.
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Samsung is notorious for not giving software updates. Once they have your money they dont care about you.
Ask anybody else who's had a samsung smartphone. Especially anyone with a Samsung Beam, they just announced yesterday 2.1 is as far as its going and its a pretty new phone. Samsung Moment did get one update from 1.6 to 2.1 but thats as far as its going and that phone is still pretty new, its was only released less than a year ago. Other samsung phones never even got a single update they're still on 1.5/1.6.

brandonb81 said:
If that was honestly the case I'd never buy another Samsung product again. I'm locked into this phone for at least two years, it should last at least 4. This thing had better get 3.0 at least. I'll give them the benefit of the doubt for now, I haven't had too many samsung experiences in general.
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I would have to agree. Not only would I never buy another Samsung product but I'd tell anyone that would listen not to buy one either.

jdsemler said:
From the little I've read, it sounds like 3.0 is more intended for larger devices.
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Thats not true. The next version is certainly designed for phones. Google was bragging about Gingerbread at their last conference.

The carrier is just as responsible for software updates as the manufacturer. If the carrier has no interest, then Samsung won't build it.

cappysw10 said:
I would have to agree. Not only would I never buy another Samsung product but I'd tell anyone that would listen not to buy one either.
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I agree that they should be legally required to give you updates for however long your contract is. But they dont. Samsung has already stated they are going to give us one major update, and that is from 2.1 to 2.2. They'll give maintenance updates but thats it.

I think we will receive 3.0 - the only logical reason we wouldn't would be if another wave of Galaxy S phones came in that were twice as powerful.
Currently we are boasting a 1GHz processor, 512mb of RAM and a 4" AMOLED screen. Top of the line as smartphones are concerned. Now If a 2GHz, 1GB Ram phone came out then I could see us possibly not getting 3.0.... but I personally think it's the reason why Samsung has been so quiet about our 2.2 questions.
The Original Motorola Droid was on 2.2 before the Droid X! - sometimes pre-existence is better ;D

We have the exact recommended specs for gingerbread. Google released them a few weeks ago. I don't see a point release (2.1 - 2.2) as being a major update. Granted, its a nice bump in terms of upgrades and additions but is not what I would consider major.

I would like to see 2.2 as soon as possible, and then maybe 3.0 if Samsung bothers to get it done (which I would only give a 50% chance of occuring).
It's important to get 2.2 onto these phones so the developers can use it as the base for their modifications and ROMs. I think the chances of getting 2.2 in late october or mid november are pretty good, but I wouldn't expect 3.0 to land until next year (if it happens).
I'm really looking forward to 2.2, but I want the newest version of Swype even more urgently. I can't believe I have this device that says "look at me I have swype," but doesn't even have any way of getting the newest version with the text input button. Heck, I would even pay a few bucks to get the latest version, but there's simply no way at all to get it.

Is seriously doubt we'll get 3.0. I would be happy with a GPS fix and 2.2.

gtg465x said:
Is seriously doubt we'll get 3.0. I would be happy with a GPS fix and 2.2.
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This. Just make this phone actually work and I'll be happy.

I would be happy as hell with ASOP 2.2, anything that has no touch wiz.
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gtg465x said:
Is seriously doubt we'll get 3.0. I would be happy with a GPS fix and 2.2.
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I would imagine, though, that with Cyanogenmod having brought Froyo 2.2 to the T-Mobile G1, we will get a version of 3.0 on our Captivates even if it is not from Samsung.

elgo said:
I would imagine, though, that with Cyanogenmod having brought Froyo 2.2 to the T-Mobile G1, we will get a version of 3.0 on our Captivates even if it is not from Samsung.
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I guess maybe I'm just a pessimist, but what would make you think that cyanogen would bring 3.0 to the Captivate? They havent even brought 2.2 to it yet?

Who cares about 2.2 what about 2.3?

Am I the only one that worries more about 2.3 than 2.2? Samsung is literally the last top of the line phone to get 2.2....ridiculous....Will we see 2.3/3.0? I mean this phone should have came with 2.2 or at latest sept. I really expect samsung to support these phones through July 2011. Does anyone else? What's your expectations?

i don't think there will be official 2.3 android...

Samsung is notorious for not supporting updates. They'd rather sell new hardware than update what's out already for free. You're lucky you're getting a 2.2 update even if it is taking forever to release, 2.3 is going to be a stretch though.

Who cares for official release , no one here is running stock anyhow.
Word on the street is Nexus S is Galaxy S variant and is running Gingerbread, and since Nexus line is googles developer phone , means source of gingerbread will be available .
I expect easy and smooth port to Captivate by local XDA devs.

ghost77 said:
Who cares for official release , no one here is running stock anyhow.
Word on the street is Nexus S is Galaxy S variant and is running Gingerbread, and since Nexus line is googles developer phone , means source of gingerbread will be available .
I expect easy and smooth port to Captivate by local XDA devs.
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Woot, never thought of that, since it will be a Galaxy S variant. That just made me happy to think about

ghost77 said:
Who cares for official release , no one here is running stock anyhow.
Word on the street is Nexus S is Galaxy S variant and is running Gingerbread, and since Nexus line is googles developer phone , means source of gingerbread will be available .
I expect easy and smooth port to Captivate by local XDA devs.
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We already know the camera is different... I don't think it will be as easy as i9000 to i897.. but yes there is some hope here . Google to the rescue!!!
Actually OP this is why we are all so excited about Cyanogen - BC it has NO Samsung components you can just upgrade to 2.3 once its released.... once cyanogen is final nobody here will be talking about Samsung anymore
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ghost77 said:
Who cares for official release , no one here is running stock anyhow.
Word on the street is Nexus S is Galaxy S variant and is running Gingerbread, and since Nexus line is googles developer phone , means source of gingerbread will be available .
I expect easy and smooth port to Captivate by local XDA devs.
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It's gonna be quite different. The camera and the soc will be dual core. Could have other hardware different as well.
I wonder how motorola and htc can afford to keep their top phones upgraded and samsung... Doesn't. I mean look at the droid from nov 2009....
I hate to go back to an iPhone next year, but this sucks. Thank god for xda! The devs here should have their own national holiday.

We don't really know anything about its spec just many rumors/fantasy's.
The only thing we do know its a bit curved , possibly a concave display , seen in one of the interview videos.

Corriewf said:
Am I the only one that worries more about 2.3 than 2.2? Samsung is literally the last top of the line phone to get 2.2....ridiculous....Will we see 2.3/3.0? I mean this phone should have came with 2.2 or at latest sept. I really expect samsung to support these phones through July 2011. Does anyone else? What's your expectations?
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Just a correction, x10 is still on 1.6 so wer not that far behind
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mac208x said:
Just a correction, x10 is still on 1.6 so wer not that far behind
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X10 is not a top of the line device. It was supposed to be out last feb...by the time it came out, middle of the pack at best.
I would not base any standards on a SE device.

we still have a lot of things to play with...I played with Samsung focus and the position of camera&usb&mic I can say it's definitely the same with captivate...

Very true i hate how SAMSUNG doesn't update their devices. I might just get a nexus one now haha
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The sad part the Captivate its the only good android phone on at&t. I guess we're stuck with the captivate forever thanks att.
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Dxtra said:
The sad part the Captivate its the only good android phone on at&t. I guess we're stuck with the captivate forever thanks att.
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Motorola is supposed to be bringing a dual core phone to AT&T in feb. That's if you like blur. I'm also not sold on dual core either... I mean hello battery drain and for what positives? The soc in our captivate has yet to be pushed by anything android market can throw at it.
The resale value on this phone is gonna be horrible. I sold my 3GS last month for 300. Think in oct 2011 I can sell this phone for 200? Sucks. If the software support was there, they would wipe the floor with apple.

Corriewf said:
Motorola is supposed to be bringing a dual core phone to AT&T in feb. That's if you like blur. I'm also not sold on dual core either... I mean hello battery drain and for what positives? The soc in our captivate has yet to be pushed by anything android market can throw at it.
The resale value on this phone is gonna be horrible. I sold my 3GS last month for 300. Think in oct 2011 I can sell this phone for 200? Sucks. If the software support was there, they would wipe the floor with apple.
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No way. The only reason people are on this forum / using this phone is because this is the only competitive att android. I love android os, but Samsung is so terrible at public relations that nobody will want a phone that never updates and has a broken GPS. You would be lucky to get 200 in 6 months...
Seriously I hope for my sake att doesn't get another good android phone for a while... all the developers will leave this behind
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The new dual-core suppose to use less power then current single-core , if its true i wouldn't worrie about power.

you samsung guys are soooo pessmist ,
I come form a motorola phone with a locked bootloader , 2.2 was announce for the end of Q4
just to show there is worst then samsung ...
on a side note this devce can run custom kernel , so as long as source is release for gingerbread who cares even if its only out for htc it will eventually be ported to SGS , as long as there is a need for it it will happen ...as simple as that ...

fatttire said:
No way. The only reason people are on this forum / using this phone is because this is the only competitive att android. I love android os, but Samsung is so terrible at public relations that nobody will want a phone that never updates and has a broken GPS. You would be lucky to get 200 in 6 months...
Seriously I hope for my sake att doesn't get another good android phone for a while... all the developers will leave this behind
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See that is exactly how Apple keeps winning the war. Software support. It's an easy Eco system to buy into because the hardware is almost always supported for years. Yes closed systems. But the resale value for notebooks, computers, and iPhones is awesome. My wife will easily be able to pay for her next iPhone by selling the iPhone 4, hell we made 100 profit on both our 3GS. I have bought 2 3GS, an iPad, and a MacBook air.
I really love android and I love the hardware samsung puts out. I just wish they could grasp the concept of full customer support. They just come across as shady salesmen that can't wait to push the next big thing.
If I can't sell my captivate for much $$, I certainly won't be buying the next samsung whatever.

DAGr8 said:
you samsung guys are soooo pessmist ,
I come form a motorola phone with a locked bootloader , 2.2 was announce for the end of Q4
just to show there is worst then samsung ...
on a side note this devce can run custom kernel , so as long as source is release for gingerbread who cares even if its only out for htc it will eventually be ported to SGS , as long as there is a need for it it will happen ...as simple as that ...
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Sorry...I came from a cdma HTC Sprint hero...and people have a right to be pessimistic about all of this. I've been down this road with them where 2.2 was promised..but never delivered..Yes..we could root and flash to other roms including Cyanogen's 2.2 CM6....but..the whole point is getting what was promised to begin with..
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Mac11700 said:
Sorry...I came from a cdma HTC Sprint hero...and people have a right to be pessimistic about all of this. I've been down this road with them where 2.2 was promised..but never delivered..Yes..we could root and flash to other roms including Cyanogen's 2.2 CM6....but..the whole point is getting what was promised to begin with..
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The way I see it these companies should make one of the following choices:
1. Sell cellphones with untouched Android. Leave it like wp7 and ios and let google handle software upgrades etc.
2. Have your custom software but support upgrades until hardware is no longer up to par. Maybe make their software downloadable through the market so we just update as needed but can run stock android while waiting.
3. Get out of the cellphone business and just become a hardware manufacture for real cellphone companies that can provide support.
I personally think option 1 is the best.... And most profitable. I mean samsung is stretched pretty thin. They make tvs and washing machines while trying to make cell phones, manufacture chips, and be a software company. Do what you do best and stick with it.

What Samsung ruined.

Does any body think that if Samsung had been on time with updates such as 2.2 and gotten us up to speed at a decent time that we would still be considered an elite phone instead of one just lagging behind?

IMO, the captivate is still elite I love my captivate, even running 100% stock. My friends with iPhone4's even love my captivate.

SlappyMcGee said:
IMO, the captivate is still elite I love my captivate, even running 100% stock. My friends with iPhone4's even love my captivate.
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How about in 2 months with the nexus s and galaxy s 2 coming out we will probably be stuck at 2.1 forever?

This phone can stand toe to toe with any phone on the market, what are you talking about??

veive said:
This phone can stand toe to toe with any phone on the market, what are you talking about??
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I am talking about how we will most likely never get 2.3, and then get left behind in the dust.

jgr208 said:
How about in 2 months with the nexus s and galaxy s 2 coming out we will probably be stuck at 2.1 forever?
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If the Nexus S turns out to be a Captivate++ with Stock Gingerbread, I am so buying that phone.
Otherwise, with custom ROMs and such we're doing okay.

jgr208 said:
I am talking about how we will most likely never get 2.3, and then get left behind in the dust.
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It's called technology. It will happen to the newly released phones as well. If the phone you have still serves its purpose, then why worry about the next generation? Having something simply because it has higher numbers and is "new" or "revolutionary" is just being foolish and listening to a marketing department. Buy something new because what you have is not allowing you to do something.

I am talking about 2.3 and eventually 3.0 not the phones in general, just us never getting up graded to the next OS.

All things aside I do think its bull**** that they can't roll out 2.2. I mean look at the complexities and flexibilities of the android os, I'm pretty sure if they really wanted to they could roll it out to us. But no they're just a bunch of assholes and....nvm /rage
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Samsung has given all the Carriers the froyo builds to push to the phones. Its the Carriers that are taking this long to push it not Samsung...
Place your angry comments at which carrier you are on.

wade7919 said:
Samsung has given all the Carriers the froyo builds to push to the phones. Its the Carriers that are taking this long to push it not Samsung...
Place your angry comments at which carrier you are on.
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It could have been pushed to the carriers in September in which case we would for sure have gotten it this or last week.

jgr208 said:
I am talking about how we will most likely never get 2.3, and then get left behind in the dust.
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What's this based on? Source?
I was under the impression that Samsung has released 2.2 and we're waiting on AT&T.
Is this true or are we waiting for Samsung to get it put together?
Mike

I don't understand why our phones need to be updated through the CARRIER? Makes absolutely zero sense. Here we are updating our phones ourselves using other methods, why not roll it out in a way that DOESNT use att? makes no sense.
I mean u got the ****ing 2.2 build in your hands Google, give it to us yourself! Its an update! Its not like we gotta wait for at&t to roll out updates for our apps and **** right? Ugh x 9999
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ninjuh said:
I don't understand why our phones need to be updated through the CARRIER? Makes absolutely zero sense. Here we are updating our phones ourselves using other methods, why not roll it out in a way that DOESNT use att? makes no sense.
I mean u got the ****ing 2.2 build in your hands Google, give it to us yourself! Its an update! Its not like we gotta wait for at&t to roll out updates for our apps and **** right? Ugh x 9999
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It makes sense because the Captivate was built for AT&T and Samsung and AT&T have a contract that stipulates that the carrier approves the updates and tests them prior to deployment.
If you don't want that situation, then you need to buy a carrier free phone - like the i9000 that was sold unlocked from Expansys and other sites.
If you buy an AT&T (or any other carrier branded phone) then you are stuck waiting for carrier approval. This is true with any brand of phone - Moto, HTC, etc. don't release updates until approved by the carrier.

alphadog00 said:
It makes sense because the Captivate was built for AT&T and Samsung and AT&T have a contract that stipulates that the carrier approves the updates and tests them prior to deployment.
If you don't want that situation, then you need to buy a carrier free phone - like the i9000 that was sold unlocked from Expansys and other sites.
If you buy an AT&T (or any other carrier branded phone) then you are stuck waiting for carrier approval. This is true with any brand of phone - Moto, HTC, etc. don't release updates until approved by the carrier.
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You're probably right, but I don't think so.
For all we know, the devs of these 2.2 roms work for Google and its just an under the table way of delivering what they know is lacking. Oh what now son oh!
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alphadog00 said:
If you buy an AT&T (or any other carrier branded phone) then you are stuck waiting for carrier approval. This is true with any brand of phone - Moto, HTC, etc. don't release updates until approved by the carrier.
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With the only exception maybe being the iPhone. Which I find that I miss more than the abundance of apps, is the timely updates from Apple.

alphadog00 said:
If you buy an AT&T (or any other carrier branded phone) then you are stuck waiting for carrier approval. This is true with any brand of phone - Moto, HTC, etc. don't release updates until approved by the carrier.
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Three Words: Windows. Phone. 7.

Wow, what a bunch of whining. If you arent savvy enough to install any one of the MANY 2.2 roms out there, why are you complaining that newer, more complicated phones will leave this one in the dust?
Anyways, I think official 2.2 rolls out soon, just got a text from ATT saying an update will be pushed to my phone. Also, this phone has the minimum specs for android 3.0, from what Ive read, so I dont see why you think we wont be seeing android 3.0. With the way we are modifying roms and kernels right now, even if we didnt get an official 3.0 update, Im sure we would be able to at least port it. These phones are monsters, this thing has better specs than my laptop I got 5 years ago that was about 8X the price.

commander2k said:
Wow, what a bunch of whining. If you arent savvy enough to install any one of the MANY 2.2 roms out there, why are you complaining that newer, more complicated phones will leave this one in the dust?
Anyways, I think official 2.2 rolls out soon, just got a text from ATT saying an update will be pushed to my phone. Also, this phone has the minimum specs for android 3.0, from what Ive read, so I dont see why you think we wont be seeing android 3.0. With the way we are modifying roms and kernels right now, even if we didnt get an official 3.0 update, Im sure we would be able to at least port it. These phones are monsters, this thing has better specs than my laptop I got 5 years ago that was about 8X the price.
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What did the text say? Sounds like you got a JI7 update message, especially if you are already running a 2.2 variant.
All the other 2.2 updates from samsung have been done via Kies, so i doubt that will be pushed 2.2. As for current Roms, most are based on beta 2.2 builds, none are 100% perfect - not that Samsung will do much better

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Anyways, I think official 2.2 rolls out soon, just got a text from ATT saying an update will be pushed to my phone.
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Thanks for the laugh.
To the op, patience grasshopper. That and timely donations to the developers here.

[Rumor] Captivate getting an official 2.3 release after all?

http://www.gizmocrunch.com/android/4229-android-gingerbread-samsung-epic-captivate-fascinate-vibrant
I sure hope so.

behrouz said:
http://www.gizmocrunch.com/android/4229-android-gingerbread-samsung-epic-captivate-fascinate-vibrant
I sure hope so.
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Not a chance.

Ditto.
Don't see why we would go to froyo with gingerbread around the corner.
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saint168 said:
Not a chance.
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Of course you don't know that.
And what has kept me rofling with the xda community is their lack of hope. Before the Nexus S was announced, many people speculated it being real. A lot of folks kept saying "No, CEO of Google said no Nexus Two." Which is true, it's not a Nexus Two. It's a Nexus S. They just kept quoting Eric Schmidt and saying "see he said there will be no new device" etc. And it eventually happened.
So I wouldn't be in complete doubt about this. I'm not in high hopes either. But it wouldn't surprise me if Samsung was working on 2.3 this entire time.
And everyone says "it's at&T that is holding it back." Where was it ever even confirmed that at&T received the software from samsung and was "adding" in their bloat? I don't recall EVER seeing that.

It wouldn't make sense to me from a business point of view for Samsung to skip Froyo and push out Gingerbread while releasing a new product for a new client "Nexus", unless they are trying to boost image and make up for the GPS fiasco by doing the unexpected? Do you think Google would have anything to say for when Gingerbread gets released by Samsung?

But aren't there reports of the Epic getting Froyo?

seriously?
expecting samsung to develop gingerbread for the phones already released is kinda like playing russian roulette with a glock and expecting to win...

Really?
Yeah, like twitter is a reputable source for anything...

I could pee.
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nephets0 said:
seriously?
expecting samsung to develop gingerbread for the phones already released is kinda like playing russian roulette with a glock and expecting to win...
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This made me literally lol!
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Oh boy....another rumor thread.....just what we need!
*grabs popcorn*

cappysw10 said:
Oh boy....another rumor thread.....just what we need!
*grabs popcorn*
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pass the bucket... anyone know how much a large dr pepper is at this showing?

nephets0 said:
pass the bucket... anyone know how much a large dr pepper is at this showing?
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That depends on which theatre you're in. If you're in the eastern zones and you want a large, you can't get a Dr. Pepper. We will be selling a super-large Dr. Pepper shortly though. And unlike our previous offerings, it will have all the stuff you wanted in the "large" such as ice...and Dr. Pepper.

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Oh boy....another rumor thread.....just what we need!
*grabs popcorn*
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At least this one is marked as a [Rumor] rather than a "Wouldn't it be great...."

It wouldn't make any sense for the Galaxy S phones jumping from 2.1 to 2.3.
It's obvious that Samsung has already invested time and money on 2.2. For Samsung to now scratch the 2.2 release and go straight to 2.3 would mean they toss all of that work in the bucket. Only a company with a terrible business practices would do something like that... wait, we may be jumping straight to 2.3 after all.

nephets0 said:
seriously?
expecting samsung to develop gingerbread for the phones already released is kinda like playing russian roulette with a glock and expecting to win...
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hey! there's still a chance it might jam and not fire .p

skinien said:
It wouldn't make any sense for the Galaxy S phones jumping from 2.1 to 2.3.
It's obvious that Samsung has already invested time and money on 2.2. For Samsung to now scratch the 2.2 release and go straight to 2.3 would mean they toss all of that work in the bucket. Only a company with a terrible business practices would do something like that... wait, we may be jumping straight to 2.3 after all.
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While the odds are slim, i would not completely discount it. There's the possibility that since they have already been working on the new Nexus S they have come further along with 2.3 than 2.2. if i was Samsung, i'd have put more developers and money to toward 2.3 and the NS. If they are similar enough, they could port it and you now.. gain some customer satisfaction and possible repeat business.

Nexus S is pretty much a Galaxy S, so a port might be quite easy.
Also 2.3 seems to be tailored towards power saving for AMOLED screens, with more dark elements, so again it might be easy.
Apple releasing OS updates for iOS for about 2 years has not seemed to hurt their sales much. Yes they are a different situation somewhat, but if Samsung wants to create a brand following with this S brand, they better show some customer loyalty before I show them any loyalty. Thats how Apple earned their following; they deliver at a high level to their customers.

Ugh, how is it that people think just because Gingerbread came out, that all phone companies should be able to release it immediately? I mean, geez, it took months for anyone to put out Froyo. Maybe I'm wrong.....
To my understanding (correct me), Samsung makes phone while Eclair is in the wild. Samsung (obviously) codes phone to work with Eclair. Google releases Froyo. Samsung says "I want that" and has a 2nd team begin coding Froyo. Samsung can't just drop the months of work to produce Eclair and start all over, it would delay the phone. Samsung releases phone. Samsung releases update. Google releases Gingerbread. Samsung COULD start coding Gingerbread. But not until they get their hands on it.
I hate hearing people say "why can't we just skip to 2.3", or whatever. Things take time. I always thought that companies had to wait for Google to release the OS before they could start working on it (or do they get it earlier??). With that being said, how could Gingerbread be right around the corner? Froyo was released in May, Samsung released their update in what....September or Oct (I don't remember and don't wanna look it up).....it took at least 4 months of development. So, if Samsung were to release a Gingerbread update for Galaxy S, it won't happen until what.... April? Then of course it'll take another 2-3 months to reach the Captivate. So now it's July 2011.....and I'll be buying another phone by then. I remember hearing people during the Froyo launch complain that Samsung should just "wait for Gingerbread, it's right around the corner." Yeah, if you consider 6+ months "around the corner."
I mean, I hope I am missing something......I would love to see Samsung keep support fairly current for this phone. But there reaches a time when its no longer feasible.
Sorry if you actually read that.......just annoyed....
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This is what I think would happen, if anything...i see sammy doing the same thing that moto did with the cliq and backflip, integrating parts of 2.3 into 2.2... moto included jit in 2.1 for those users (used to be me) and it kind of quieted the noise
However, it would start some major fires in europe, so it probably won't happen.
And we probably won't get an official gingerbread either.
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What do you guys think is going on?

Here we are the last week of December. Promised dates for Froyo on the captivate have come and gone and keep changing. Samsung releases a new Android platform in the Nexus S and Google has control of software releases on it. I've had my Captivate since September, I'm running a custom ROM (Cognition) and for the most part my phone works with the GPS being the only sore spot.
Has Samsung/ATT abandoned development? Will we SEE Froyo released at all?
At this point I think the idea that they've scrapped it and are moving to Gingerbread is a pipedream.
There hasn't been a leaked final Froyo yet and that is really suprising to me.
We have the hottest hardware available right now and it's bogged down by the crappy stock software and 2.1 releases are crippled because we don't have proper source code for the Devs to work from.
I'm getting frustrated and contemplating selling this phone, but I LOVE the android platform and want to stick with it.

I feel the same way but I'm gonna hold out just a little longer
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gunnyman said:
We have the hottest hardware available right now and it's bogged down by the crappy stock software and 2.1 releases
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Out and out, I disagree with this. A Voodoo lagfix charged Cappy (i.e RFS-fixed) merely lacks Flash from 2.2.
There is no need on the Hummingbird platform for the 2.2 JIT improvements that dramatically boosted the performance of Snapdragon based handsets.
Touchwiz/Sense/etc is merely a demon that plagued pre 2.3 devices (and we haven't seen what Carrier/Vendor bull**** is coming with 2.3 yet, I wouldn't say we're out of the woods yet) and to be honest they are all as bad as each other - particularly if they are so ingrained that you can't dump them by replacing their components without root (much less adb/full rom flash).
There is 3 problems with the Captivate platform, to be sure, imo in the order of importance.
1. RFS
2. GPS
3. AT&T/Samsung's lack of updates/source/news
Overall, I think that Froyo is being held up over GPS not being "fixed" as well as the sleeping shutdown bug, and AT&T's general ineptitude.

tahnks for cutting off what I said to make your point. STOCK SOFTWARE SUCKS. Devs' custome ROMS are good, but held back due to the lack of an official 2.2 release and source code.

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tahnks for cutting off what I said to make your point. STOCK SOFTWARE SUCKS.
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It doesn't.
RFS does. If no-one had to suffer Touchwiz with RFS, there wouldn't be quite as much hate as there is.

1randomtask said:
It doesn't.
RFS does. If no-one had to suffer Touchwiz with RFS, there wouldn't be quite as much hate as there is.
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It's STOCK and can't be modified without rooting therefore my point stands.

i really dont see what is wrong with the custom roms based on leaked firmware, it runs very smooth, and coming from a nexus one, there is definitely a noticeable difference.
but then again, the nexus one is almost a whole year older than the galaxy s phones, so if there is no difference, i would say they are doing it wrong.

meh.. Ive come to depend 100% on XDA for my updates.
I don't think we will ever see any official OTA updates from Att any time soon.
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SAmsung reps are telling AT&T they are skipping 2.2 and just putting out 2.3. Heard it from the horse's mouth ...
Take it for whatever that is worth. I doubt Samsung USA reps have a clue anymore, but that is what they shared with AT&T.

It's a good thing we have so many awesome devs creating new ROMs that are imo much better than anything AT&T/Samsung could ever release as the official updates would still come with tons of AT&T bloatware and TouchWiz, and would most likely use the laggy RFS filesystem like JF6 and JH7.

A.VOID said:
SAmsung reps are telling AT&T they are skipping 2.2 and just putting out 2.3. Heard it from the horse's mouth ...
Take it for whatever that is worth. I doubt Samsung USA reps have a clue anymore, but that is what they shared with AT&T.
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Which "horse's mouth" is that? Mr. Ed?
It's just that there's been such a large herd of them.

I'm jumping to a free streak from my Dell rep. Can't wait to get the larger screen and front facing camera for video chatting...
wish there was more dev on it though.