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I was reading an article on androidheadlines.com and it mentions that samsung only promises ONE OS update for our phones. I seem to recall them stating this earlier too. So, if you can only have one update, would you rather get the Froyo update or just skip that one and get the Gingerbread update?
http://androidheadlines.com/2010/09/samsung-beam-android-smartphone-is-not-getting-froyo.html
"Hey Beam users, it doesn’t seem like Samsung cares much about you. They’ve just announced that you will not be getting the Froyo update.
Of course, this is not the same time Samsung is doing this and every time they seem to have a different excuse. What’s the excuse this time? They simply don’t want to consume too much resources on a phone that hasn’t been one of their most popular models. So they are basically saying that if you’re not buying their most popular model, then you can forget about upgrading.
And it’s not like you’re getting upgrades for a decade if you buy the most popular one. You only get 1 upgrade, even if the phone is capable of getting OS upgrades at least 2 more years."
Thoughts??

derek4484 said:
And it’s not like you’re getting upgrades for a decade if you buy the most popular one. You only get 1 upgrade, even if the phone is capable of getting OS upgrades at least 2 more years."
Thoughts??
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They make this comment without a source?

I'm guessing we are owners of Samsung's most popular phone model??? If that's the case...well it's just sad the way things are being handled. Every time someone goes to Samsung for an answer it's different, which is well documented on these forums. I remember a few months ago remarking about how ridiculous it was that Apple released a product with a fault such as the antennae on the iPhone 4, even more ridiculous that people would buy it. Now here I am with an only sometimes working GPS...and Samsung seems to be ignoring it??
I guess the difference is, I will never again blindly buy a Samsung handset on release day which might be a problem as I'm rather impulsive when it comes to consumer electronics. Apple people will keep on buying no matter how hard they get raped.

Honestly, I'd rather have them give us Gingerbread. CM 6.1 is coming out soon anyway

cappysw10 said:
They make this comment without a source?
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Yea, they didnt quote a source on that one upgrade bit. But I seem to recall reading the same thing a while back. I think it was on androidandme, I read that site several times every day so it was probably on there.

r34p3rex said:
Honestly, I'd rather have them give us Gingerbread. CM 6.1 is coming out soon anyway
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Definitely. If we are only going to get one major upgrade then let it be the newest. The only thing 2.2 had that I wanted was the wifi hotspot and I now have that with mobileap.apk so I'm satisfied.

Samsung would lose way too much business by only offering one update per platform. Although from what I've seen so far it's not like they care all that much.
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Gingerbread 'in next few days' (for N1)

Im sure most of you have seen this buy now, but I figured, no harm in posting it. Lucky nexus users......
http://www.engadget.com/2010/11/08/open-handset-alliance-member-confirms-android-2-3-is-gingerbread/

Yup.
Saw it here too
http://www.informationweek.com/news/smb/mobile/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=228200423&itc=ref-true
This makes Samsung look lazy..

mymansionisabox said:
This makes Samsung look lazy..
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Gingerbread landing on Google's own developer phone prior to every other handset makes Samsung look lazy?

hawkeyefan said:
Gingerbread landing on Google's own developer phone prior to every other handset makes Samsung look lazy?
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Because Samsung has yet to launch 2.2 on their own "premiere" Galaxy S line of phones.
Of course, this is my opinion.
2.2 has been released officially since May 2010.
Droid X was released July 15th, with Android 2.1
Android 2.2 was pushed OTA to Droid X on September 22, 2010
Samsung Captivate was released July 18th with Android 2.1... still no Froyo
I'm not complaining. I'm stating my opinion...
And now.. 2.3 is coming out and I think most of us would agree. If the N1 can handle 2.3, so can the Captivate, the whole Galaxy S line.
So yes.. lazy.. because now they will have to start working on a release for 2.3 and they haven't even finished a 2.2 release. You and I already know Motorola is on top of this.
Maybe lazy isn't the best choice of words.. but.. whatever. I think you get my point.

Ah, in relation to Froyo, gotcha. I agree to a certain extent.

I highly doubt we will see an official 2.3 release...
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hawkeyefan said:
Ah, in relation to Froyo, gotcha. I agree to a certain extent.
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Yeah haha. I mean I'm not bashing Samsung. I'm just in fear that they might be a bit over their heads now.
They basically are going to have to stay in constant development with this.. They haven't finished 2.2 yet and now 2.3 is about to be released.
I fear that our phones will be left behind FAR before they really should be.
Idk.. I'm a pessimist a guess.

mymansionisabox said:
Yeah haha. I mean I'm not bashing Samsung. I'm just in fear that they might be a bit over their heads now.
They basically are going to have to stay in constant development with this.. They haven't finished 2.2 yet and now 2.3 is about to be released.
I fear that our phones will be left behind FAR before they really should be.
Idk.. I'm a pessimist a guess.
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That's strange...last few time I talked with the Galaxy people at Samsung..it was told to me that 2.2 has been finished at all of the Carriers for some time..This makes this very confusing for me to say the least. Is it really Samsung at fault...or the carriers that are at fault with all of the delays of releasing the 2.2 update stateside ? Is it the us based carriers that are adding to it to be able lock the phones down and change things around on it..or Samsung ?
I can understand where folks are saying Android is fragmented if the carriers are causing this, but I don't understand why there can't be unified coding across all manufacturers lines when it comes to the os of Android.After all isn't it based off of ASOP and Linux and isn't that supposed to be all open source..? I do understand the differences in the various hardware requirements between all of the Android phones..but the core os should be the same shouldn't it ? So...who is at fault..the carriers..or Samsung..or both ? Who is really causing the delays..? Who is going to make the determination if any future development happens..the carriers or Samsung ?
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mymansionisabox said:
Motorola is on top of this.
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ROFL. Motorola is on top of nothing. Bottom maybe with VZW on top. If not for VZW, I don't know that Motorola would EVER push out updates. Just look at what they did with the cliq/backflip/dext/cliqxt/devour... it took FOREVER, and most parts of the world aren't even officially getting it (2.1).

Probably buying HTC from now on. They get cyanogen and sense, and somewhat timely updates
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Flash one of the great leaked 2.2 ROMs......problem solved. A Gingerbread based custom ROM will likely follow at some point.

Personally I do not even believe we will see a official release of 2.2 much less 2.3. Unlikely that we will ever see a GPS fix either at&t has their handsfull with the new windows phone. I also think that at&t is to blame.
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larmor19 said:
Personally I do not even believe we will see a official release of 2.2 much less 2.3.
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And why don't you believe 2.2 will be released? Do you know that the Android developers for AT&T aren't the same ones that work on the Windows phone?

tbong777 said:
Flash one of the great leaked 2.2 ROMs......problem solved. A Gingerbread based custom ROM will likely follow at some point.
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It will be difficult without source from SAMSUNG
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larmor19 said:
Personally I do not even believe we will see a official release of 2.2 much less 2.3. Unlikely that we will ever see a GPS fix either at&t has their handsfull with the new windows phone. I also think that at&t is to blame.
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Hmmm... obviously, Samsung is working on a 2.2 release. We have already gotten two leaked builds. The official release will be coming. Now with regards to 2.3. I don't think it's going to happen. It seems as though Samsung is focusing their efforts to push new products rather than support old ones.

"Old Ones?" this phone isnt even 6 months old yet and it'll be obsolete soon. if not for the geniuses here at XDA it would already be obsolete. i love my captivate but i think its getting ready to get left in the dust. hope i get proven wrong though.

Left in the dust? How so? 2.3. Is not even out yet. At least we have leaked versions of froyo...which will still be better then an official one. All we need is the source. The devs can handle the rest from there otherwise the devs spend there time unlocking all the crap that Samsung and att locked down
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This is what I don't like about Android (well not Android itself, but the Android market)...while N1 owners will be playing with 2.3 I will be stuck with 2.1.
F Samsung/Motorola whoever and their heavily modified ROMS. I don't need your Touchwiz/MotoBLUR/etc...just give me the stock ROM so that you save yourself the headache of upgrading and us too.

Samsung originally released their 2.2 back in late September/October to Europe - then was promptly pulled due to it being complete junk.
Now they are re-distributing it this month with a probably still junk release of 2.2. They screwed up so bad due to all the crap they half-assed into these phones (touchwiz, rfs file system etc...)
Samsung really needs to re-evaluate their development team and decide if they are going to be serious about the software side or farm it out to a third party that can program. Because.... their development department is probably the worst out there when it comes to android development.
I mean... there are probably Kirf teams in China that can code better!
Lazy.. no, greedy and not caring about the consumer and not taking pride the end result? Sure I can go with that.

PixelPerfect3 said:
This is what I don't like about Android (well not Android itself, but the Android market)...while N1 owners will be playing with 2.3 I will be stuck with 2.1.
F Samsung/Motorola whoever and their heavily modified ROMS. I don't need your Touchwiz/MotoBLUR/etc...just give me the stock ROM so that you save yourself the headache of upgrading and us too.
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This exactly.
Android is supposed to be this huge open source project, and while we can root and mod and flash all we like, we should also have the option of just being able to go to google and get the newest version ourselves.
The fact that not only the carriers (which is to be expected) but the manufacturers feel the need to bloat up the software is frustrating and annoying!

What Samsung ruined.

Does any body think that if Samsung had been on time with updates such as 2.2 and gotten us up to speed at a decent time that we would still be considered an elite phone instead of one just lagging behind?

IMO, the captivate is still elite I love my captivate, even running 100% stock. My friends with iPhone4's even love my captivate.

SlappyMcGee said:
IMO, the captivate is still elite I love my captivate, even running 100% stock. My friends with iPhone4's even love my captivate.
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How about in 2 months with the nexus s and galaxy s 2 coming out we will probably be stuck at 2.1 forever?

This phone can stand toe to toe with any phone on the market, what are you talking about??

veive said:
This phone can stand toe to toe with any phone on the market, what are you talking about??
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I am talking about how we will most likely never get 2.3, and then get left behind in the dust.

jgr208 said:
How about in 2 months with the nexus s and galaxy s 2 coming out we will probably be stuck at 2.1 forever?
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If the Nexus S turns out to be a Captivate++ with Stock Gingerbread, I am so buying that phone.
Otherwise, with custom ROMs and such we're doing okay.

jgr208 said:
I am talking about how we will most likely never get 2.3, and then get left behind in the dust.
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It's called technology. It will happen to the newly released phones as well. If the phone you have still serves its purpose, then why worry about the next generation? Having something simply because it has higher numbers and is "new" or "revolutionary" is just being foolish and listening to a marketing department. Buy something new because what you have is not allowing you to do something.

I am talking about 2.3 and eventually 3.0 not the phones in general, just us never getting up graded to the next OS.

All things aside I do think its bull**** that they can't roll out 2.2. I mean look at the complexities and flexibilities of the android os, I'm pretty sure if they really wanted to they could roll it out to us. But no they're just a bunch of assholes and....nvm /rage
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Samsung has given all the Carriers the froyo builds to push to the phones. Its the Carriers that are taking this long to push it not Samsung...
Place your angry comments at which carrier you are on.

wade7919 said:
Samsung has given all the Carriers the froyo builds to push to the phones. Its the Carriers that are taking this long to push it not Samsung...
Place your angry comments at which carrier you are on.
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It could have been pushed to the carriers in September in which case we would for sure have gotten it this or last week.

jgr208 said:
I am talking about how we will most likely never get 2.3, and then get left behind in the dust.
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What's this based on? Source?
I was under the impression that Samsung has released 2.2 and we're waiting on AT&T.
Is this true or are we waiting for Samsung to get it put together?
Mike

I don't understand why our phones need to be updated through the CARRIER? Makes absolutely zero sense. Here we are updating our phones ourselves using other methods, why not roll it out in a way that DOESNT use att? makes no sense.
I mean u got the ****ing 2.2 build in your hands Google, give it to us yourself! Its an update! Its not like we gotta wait for at&t to roll out updates for our apps and **** right? Ugh x 9999
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ninjuh said:
I don't understand why our phones need to be updated through the CARRIER? Makes absolutely zero sense. Here we are updating our phones ourselves using other methods, why not roll it out in a way that DOESNT use att? makes no sense.
I mean u got the ****ing 2.2 build in your hands Google, give it to us yourself! Its an update! Its not like we gotta wait for at&t to roll out updates for our apps and **** right? Ugh x 9999
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It makes sense because the Captivate was built for AT&T and Samsung and AT&T have a contract that stipulates that the carrier approves the updates and tests them prior to deployment.
If you don't want that situation, then you need to buy a carrier free phone - like the i9000 that was sold unlocked from Expansys and other sites.
If you buy an AT&T (or any other carrier branded phone) then you are stuck waiting for carrier approval. This is true with any brand of phone - Moto, HTC, etc. don't release updates until approved by the carrier.

alphadog00 said:
It makes sense because the Captivate was built for AT&T and Samsung and AT&T have a contract that stipulates that the carrier approves the updates and tests them prior to deployment.
If you don't want that situation, then you need to buy a carrier free phone - like the i9000 that was sold unlocked from Expansys and other sites.
If you buy an AT&T (or any other carrier branded phone) then you are stuck waiting for carrier approval. This is true with any brand of phone - Moto, HTC, etc. don't release updates until approved by the carrier.
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You're probably right, but I don't think so.
For all we know, the devs of these 2.2 roms work for Google and its just an under the table way of delivering what they know is lacking. Oh what now son oh!
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alphadog00 said:
If you buy an AT&T (or any other carrier branded phone) then you are stuck waiting for carrier approval. This is true with any brand of phone - Moto, HTC, etc. don't release updates until approved by the carrier.
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With the only exception maybe being the iPhone. Which I find that I miss more than the abundance of apps, is the timely updates from Apple.

alphadog00 said:
If you buy an AT&T (or any other carrier branded phone) then you are stuck waiting for carrier approval. This is true with any brand of phone - Moto, HTC, etc. don't release updates until approved by the carrier.
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Three Words: Windows. Phone. 7.

Wow, what a bunch of whining. If you arent savvy enough to install any one of the MANY 2.2 roms out there, why are you complaining that newer, more complicated phones will leave this one in the dust?
Anyways, I think official 2.2 rolls out soon, just got a text from ATT saying an update will be pushed to my phone. Also, this phone has the minimum specs for android 3.0, from what Ive read, so I dont see why you think we wont be seeing android 3.0. With the way we are modifying roms and kernels right now, even if we didnt get an official 3.0 update, Im sure we would be able to at least port it. These phones are monsters, this thing has better specs than my laptop I got 5 years ago that was about 8X the price.

commander2k said:
Wow, what a bunch of whining. If you arent savvy enough to install any one of the MANY 2.2 roms out there, why are you complaining that newer, more complicated phones will leave this one in the dust?
Anyways, I think official 2.2 rolls out soon, just got a text from ATT saying an update will be pushed to my phone. Also, this phone has the minimum specs for android 3.0, from what Ive read, so I dont see why you think we wont be seeing android 3.0. With the way we are modifying roms and kernels right now, even if we didnt get an official 3.0 update, Im sure we would be able to at least port it. These phones are monsters, this thing has better specs than my laptop I got 5 years ago that was about 8X the price.
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What did the text say? Sounds like you got a JI7 update message, especially if you are already running a 2.2 variant.
All the other 2.2 updates from samsung have been done via Kies, so i doubt that will be pushed 2.2. As for current Roms, most are based on beta 2.2 builds, none are 100% perfect - not that Samsung will do much better

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Anyways, I think official 2.2 rolls out soon, just got a text from ATT saying an update will be pushed to my phone.
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Thanks for the laugh.
To the op, patience grasshopper. That and timely donations to the developers here.

[Rumor] Captivate getting an official 2.3 release after all?

http://www.gizmocrunch.com/android/4229-android-gingerbread-samsung-epic-captivate-fascinate-vibrant
I sure hope so.

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http://www.gizmocrunch.com/android/4229-android-gingerbread-samsung-epic-captivate-fascinate-vibrant
I sure hope so.
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Not a chance.

Ditto.
Don't see why we would go to froyo with gingerbread around the corner.
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saint168 said:
Not a chance.
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Of course you don't know that.
And what has kept me rofling with the xda community is their lack of hope. Before the Nexus S was announced, many people speculated it being real. A lot of folks kept saying "No, CEO of Google said no Nexus Two." Which is true, it's not a Nexus Two. It's a Nexus S. They just kept quoting Eric Schmidt and saying "see he said there will be no new device" etc. And it eventually happened.
So I wouldn't be in complete doubt about this. I'm not in high hopes either. But it wouldn't surprise me if Samsung was working on 2.3 this entire time.
And everyone says "it's at&T that is holding it back." Where was it ever even confirmed that at&T received the software from samsung and was "adding" in their bloat? I don't recall EVER seeing that.

It wouldn't make sense to me from a business point of view for Samsung to skip Froyo and push out Gingerbread while releasing a new product for a new client "Nexus", unless they are trying to boost image and make up for the GPS fiasco by doing the unexpected? Do you think Google would have anything to say for when Gingerbread gets released by Samsung?

But aren't there reports of the Epic getting Froyo?

seriously?
expecting samsung to develop gingerbread for the phones already released is kinda like playing russian roulette with a glock and expecting to win...

Really?
Yeah, like twitter is a reputable source for anything...

I could pee.
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nephets0 said:
seriously?
expecting samsung to develop gingerbread for the phones already released is kinda like playing russian roulette with a glock and expecting to win...
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This made me literally lol!
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Oh boy....another rumor thread.....just what we need!
*grabs popcorn*

cappysw10 said:
Oh boy....another rumor thread.....just what we need!
*grabs popcorn*
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pass the bucket... anyone know how much a large dr pepper is at this showing?

nephets0 said:
pass the bucket... anyone know how much a large dr pepper is at this showing?
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That depends on which theatre you're in. If you're in the eastern zones and you want a large, you can't get a Dr. Pepper. We will be selling a super-large Dr. Pepper shortly though. And unlike our previous offerings, it will have all the stuff you wanted in the "large" such as ice...and Dr. Pepper.

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Oh boy....another rumor thread.....just what we need!
*grabs popcorn*
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At least this one is marked as a [Rumor] rather than a "Wouldn't it be great...."

It wouldn't make any sense for the Galaxy S phones jumping from 2.1 to 2.3.
It's obvious that Samsung has already invested time and money on 2.2. For Samsung to now scratch the 2.2 release and go straight to 2.3 would mean they toss all of that work in the bucket. Only a company with a terrible business practices would do something like that... wait, we may be jumping straight to 2.3 after all.

nephets0 said:
seriously?
expecting samsung to develop gingerbread for the phones already released is kinda like playing russian roulette with a glock and expecting to win...
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hey! there's still a chance it might jam and not fire .p

skinien said:
It wouldn't make any sense for the Galaxy S phones jumping from 2.1 to 2.3.
It's obvious that Samsung has already invested time and money on 2.2. For Samsung to now scratch the 2.2 release and go straight to 2.3 would mean they toss all of that work in the bucket. Only a company with a terrible business practices would do something like that... wait, we may be jumping straight to 2.3 after all.
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While the odds are slim, i would not completely discount it. There's the possibility that since they have already been working on the new Nexus S they have come further along with 2.3 than 2.2. if i was Samsung, i'd have put more developers and money to toward 2.3 and the NS. If they are similar enough, they could port it and you now.. gain some customer satisfaction and possible repeat business.

Nexus S is pretty much a Galaxy S, so a port might be quite easy.
Also 2.3 seems to be tailored towards power saving for AMOLED screens, with more dark elements, so again it might be easy.
Apple releasing OS updates for iOS for about 2 years has not seemed to hurt their sales much. Yes they are a different situation somewhat, but if Samsung wants to create a brand following with this S brand, they better show some customer loyalty before I show them any loyalty. Thats how Apple earned their following; they deliver at a high level to their customers.

Ugh, how is it that people think just because Gingerbread came out, that all phone companies should be able to release it immediately? I mean, geez, it took months for anyone to put out Froyo. Maybe I'm wrong.....
To my understanding (correct me), Samsung makes phone while Eclair is in the wild. Samsung (obviously) codes phone to work with Eclair. Google releases Froyo. Samsung says "I want that" and has a 2nd team begin coding Froyo. Samsung can't just drop the months of work to produce Eclair and start all over, it would delay the phone. Samsung releases phone. Samsung releases update. Google releases Gingerbread. Samsung COULD start coding Gingerbread. But not until they get their hands on it.
I hate hearing people say "why can't we just skip to 2.3", or whatever. Things take time. I always thought that companies had to wait for Google to release the OS before they could start working on it (or do they get it earlier??). With that being said, how could Gingerbread be right around the corner? Froyo was released in May, Samsung released their update in what....September or Oct (I don't remember and don't wanna look it up).....it took at least 4 months of development. So, if Samsung were to release a Gingerbread update for Galaxy S, it won't happen until what.... April? Then of course it'll take another 2-3 months to reach the Captivate. So now it's July 2011.....and I'll be buying another phone by then. I remember hearing people during the Froyo launch complain that Samsung should just "wait for Gingerbread, it's right around the corner." Yeah, if you consider 6+ months "around the corner."
I mean, I hope I am missing something......I would love to see Samsung keep support fairly current for this phone. But there reaches a time when its no longer feasible.
Sorry if you actually read that.......just annoyed....
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This is what I think would happen, if anything...i see sammy doing the same thing that moto did with the cliq and backflip, integrating parts of 2.3 into 2.2... moto included jit in 2.1 for those users (used to be me) and it kind of quieted the noise
However, it would start some major fires in europe, so it probably won't happen.
And we probably won't get an official gingerbread either.
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What do you guys think is going on?

Here we are the last week of December. Promised dates for Froyo on the captivate have come and gone and keep changing. Samsung releases a new Android platform in the Nexus S and Google has control of software releases on it. I've had my Captivate since September, I'm running a custom ROM (Cognition) and for the most part my phone works with the GPS being the only sore spot.
Has Samsung/ATT abandoned development? Will we SEE Froyo released at all?
At this point I think the idea that they've scrapped it and are moving to Gingerbread is a pipedream.
There hasn't been a leaked final Froyo yet and that is really suprising to me.
We have the hottest hardware available right now and it's bogged down by the crappy stock software and 2.1 releases are crippled because we don't have proper source code for the Devs to work from.
I'm getting frustrated and contemplating selling this phone, but I LOVE the android platform and want to stick with it.

I feel the same way but I'm gonna hold out just a little longer
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gunnyman said:
We have the hottest hardware available right now and it's bogged down by the crappy stock software and 2.1 releases
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Out and out, I disagree with this. A Voodoo lagfix charged Cappy (i.e RFS-fixed) merely lacks Flash from 2.2.
There is no need on the Hummingbird platform for the 2.2 JIT improvements that dramatically boosted the performance of Snapdragon based handsets.
Touchwiz/Sense/etc is merely a demon that plagued pre 2.3 devices (and we haven't seen what Carrier/Vendor bull**** is coming with 2.3 yet, I wouldn't say we're out of the woods yet) and to be honest they are all as bad as each other - particularly if they are so ingrained that you can't dump them by replacing their components without root (much less adb/full rom flash).
There is 3 problems with the Captivate platform, to be sure, imo in the order of importance.
1. RFS
2. GPS
3. AT&T/Samsung's lack of updates/source/news
Overall, I think that Froyo is being held up over GPS not being "fixed" as well as the sleeping shutdown bug, and AT&T's general ineptitude.

tahnks for cutting off what I said to make your point. STOCK SOFTWARE SUCKS. Devs' custome ROMS are good, but held back due to the lack of an official 2.2 release and source code.

gunnyman said:
tahnks for cutting off what I said to make your point. STOCK SOFTWARE SUCKS.
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It doesn't.
RFS does. If no-one had to suffer Touchwiz with RFS, there wouldn't be quite as much hate as there is.

1randomtask said:
It doesn't.
RFS does. If no-one had to suffer Touchwiz with RFS, there wouldn't be quite as much hate as there is.
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It's STOCK and can't be modified without rooting therefore my point stands.

i really dont see what is wrong with the custom roms based on leaked firmware, it runs very smooth, and coming from a nexus one, there is definitely a noticeable difference.
but then again, the nexus one is almost a whole year older than the galaxy s phones, so if there is no difference, i would say they are doing it wrong.

meh.. Ive come to depend 100% on XDA for my updates.
I don't think we will ever see any official OTA updates from Att any time soon.
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I897 using XDA App

SAmsung reps are telling AT&T they are skipping 2.2 and just putting out 2.3. Heard it from the horse's mouth ...
Take it for whatever that is worth. I doubt Samsung USA reps have a clue anymore, but that is what they shared with AT&T.

It's a good thing we have so many awesome devs creating new ROMs that are imo much better than anything AT&T/Samsung could ever release as the official updates would still come with tons of AT&T bloatware and TouchWiz, and would most likely use the laggy RFS filesystem like JF6 and JH7.

A.VOID said:
SAmsung reps are telling AT&T they are skipping 2.2 and just putting out 2.3. Heard it from the horse's mouth ...
Take it for whatever that is worth. I doubt Samsung USA reps have a clue anymore, but that is what they shared with AT&T.
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Which "horse's mouth" is that? Mr. Ed?
It's just that there's been such a large herd of them.

I'm jumping to a free streak from my Dell rep. Can't wait to get the larger screen and front facing camera for video chatting...
wish there was more dev on it though.