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Humble vs gummy froyo

Title says most. I am going to be getting my charge on tuesday and have been doing some research about what rom to try, and gave it narrowed down to these two. which one do you like more and why? I have read the threads on both and they seem pretty even, just wondering which one you prefer and why...thanks for any and all responses!
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Perhaps you did not research enough, enjoy.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1171270&highlight=humble

they are both good but I prefer Humble because of the battery savings...Gummy is very snazzy looking though and works pretty much flawlessly and quick. Its a tough choice honestly but I personally want/need the battery to be as efficient as possible and for the Rom to do everything I need it to do.....Humble does that for me..as an example I have been unplugged for 9 hours---dropped 31% battery! I say thats a pretty nice win!
Of course your mileage may vary and everyones battery life is different...I think either way you will be happy...I say try both for a few days each and see

I will be trying both personally...but I have to flash one on both my daughters and wifes phones as well..and they hate it when I change their rom after they her their phone setup
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Heard that, thats why I never work on my familys phone anymore. Lol.

Why do you have to flash it on both of their phones? Just try it yourself and then give out the goods lol,
rand4ll said:
I will be trying both personally...but I have to flash one on both my daughters and wifes phones as well..and they hate it when I change their rom after they her their phone setup
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No one seems to get that battery life is 99 percentinfluenced by the kernel....most framework mods that claim battery savings are either placebo or stupidity
Humble gets good battery life because it packagesimnuts undervolt kernel in
Use the same kernel with gc and you will get virtually identical results

nitsuj17 said:
No one seems to get that battery life is 99 percentinfluenced by the kernel....most framework mods that claim battery savings are either placebo or stupidity
Humble gets good battery life because it packagesimnuts undervolt kernel in
Use the same kernel with gc and you will get virtually identical results
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I'm completely 100% as noob when it comes to this as my Charge is the first smartphone I've ever had and I really want gummyCHARGED but i want good battery life. So how do I do this?

nitsuj17 said:
No one seems to get that battery life is 99 percentinfluenced by the kernel....most framework mods that claim battery savings are either placebo or stupidity
Humble gets good battery life because it packagesimnuts undervolt kernel in
Use the same kernel with gc and you will get virtually identical results
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I used the same kernel on both..not the same battery consumption..sorry

chiahead52 said:
I used the same kernel on both..not the same battery consumption..sorry
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There is little to nothing in a rom that would impact battery life unless there is an app that is not letting the phone sleep if something

nitsuj17 said:
There is little to nothing in a rom that would impact battery life unless there is an app that is not letting the phone sleep if something
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well at any rate it is a truth..I have tried gummy on 2 totally separate occasions and battery life on Humble(which I have also tried switched back and forth from) is a decent amount better..I dont know why but it is......I always flash the same exact kernel which is Imnuts non OC one

I was using imnuts pbj voodoo kernel and decided to try gummycharged and it just locked up the phone, sloooooow reaction to moving screens, scrolling, opening apps, etc and would lock up all the time... might've been my imagination but data (3G/4G) seemed flaky too, even after several wipes and reflashes. Guess my Charge doesn't like it Oh well I just loaded up the debloated EE4 and it flies with imnuts kernel
blazing through on my VZ Droid Charge

hockeybpr25 said:
I'm completely 100% as noob when it comes to this as my Charge is the first smartphone I've ever had and I really want gummyCHARGED but i want good battery life. So how do I do this?
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First smart phone u have ever had and you want to mod it before u even have it? How do u even know about smartphone mods without having a smartphone as a frame of reference?
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msticlaru said:
First smart phone u have ever had and you want to mod it before u even have it? How do u even know about smartphone mods without having a smartphone as a frame of reference?
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uhmmmm i want better battery life. i'm a CS major too so i'm fine with technology, i just never wanted to pay the 30 a month for data until now. and i've had the phone for a few weeks now.

Humble has great battery life, don't want to disregard what Nitsuj said but I swear I have much better battery life switching over to Humble then I did on GC. It might just be the battery gremlins but the battery life was noticeably different, maybe it's just my imagination since its advertised to be a low power ROM.
Humble has some cool animations, it's sort of a love hate thing. You may get incredibly sick of it after awhile but you can easily turn the option off.
Humble is updated very frequently, that might not be a good thing for you. It's very easy to flash the updated versions if you're already on Humble but you may not want to keep downloading new updates every few days, I personally love it. Keeps the ROM fresh.
Humble doesn't have that nasty freeze/reboot issue that happened about once every day or two on GC. Might have been a bad flash but I read about others saying it happened to them as well.

I believe Humble has an increased Dalvik cache which supposedly is the source of increased battery life. I have personally never used GC, but flashed Humble on day one and fell in love with it compared to the stock ROM.
Sent from my Droid Charge running Humble 1.4

chiahead52 said:
well at any rate it is a truth..I have tried gummy on 2 totally separate occasions and battery life on Humble(which I have also tried switched back and forth from) is a decent amount better..I dont know why but it is......I always flash the same exact kernel which is Imnuts non OC one
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I hate it when people that obviously have no clue as to what they are talking about start making BS up.. Especially ones who disagree with people who obviously know a ton more than them like nitsuj17....
I can tell you right here and now that there is no way that Humble has significantly better battery life the GC or vice versa..
I am not here to rip on Humble its fine rom (Its built on the GummyCharges base) and if people like it better than GC than that is fine. But people who spread BS piss me off.
I have been making ROM's for the better part of a year now across multiple Phone(three) and will tell you that any ROM especially ones built from the OTA (such as these) will never see an increase of more or less than 5 ~ 10% better battery life with any tweak you can apply. The increase they do get is from removing bloat and install custom Kernels..
If both ROM's were set side by side with the same kernel they would more or lass last the same amount time under the same utilization.
Making a change to the heap size in the build.prop will not change battery life, anyone who tells you that is full of $hit or obviously clueless..
Sorry gotta call FUD when I see FUD
To the OP I suggest yo try out all the ROM's and make the decision based on your own opinion.. Most ROM's will be a vast improvement over stock.

kejar31 said:
I hate it when people that obviously have no clue as to what they are talking about start making BS up.. Especially ones who disagree with people who obviously know a ton more than them like nitsuj17....
I can tell you right here and now that there is no way that Humble has significantly better battery life the GC or vice versa..
I am not here to rip on Humble its fine rom (Its built on the GummyCharges base) and if people like it better than GC than that is fine. But people who spread BS piss me off.
I have been making ROM's for the better part of a year now across multiple Phone(three) and will tell you that any ROM especially ones built from the OTA (such as these) will never see an increase of more or less than 5 ~ 10% better battery life with any tweak you can apply. The increase they do get is from removing bloat and install custom Kernels..
If both ROM's were set side by side with the same kernel they would more or lass last the same amount time under the same utilization.
Making a change to the heap size in the build.prop will not change battery life, anyone who tells you that is full of $hit or obviously clueless..
Sorry gotta call FUD when I see FUD
To the OP I suggest yo try out all the ROM's and make the decision based on your own opinion.. Most ROM's will be a vast improvement over stock.
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how is my personal experience making BS up? Like I stated I dont know why the battery life is better. I am not a dev or even super experienced in smart phones. but the fact is with the same Kernel and the exact same apps running that are restored from TB on all ROMs the battery life is different. I appreciate everything that everyone does here to improve and make these devices better than they originally came out. The things you guys do and the knowledge you have is crazy. Way more than I can ever understand personally.
Maybe it was an error on my part when I installed the other various ROM's. I dunno...but my own personal experience is not BS. Its upsetting to have someone claim that my honest experiences with my device are BS. I receive no benefit to claiming either is better or whatever. If you see post #3 I pretty much said what you said. try them out and form your own opinion.

chiahead52 said:
well at any rate it is a truth..I have tried gummy on 2 totally separate occasions and battery life on Humble(which I have also tried switched back and forth from) is a decent amount better..I dont know why but it is......I always flash the same exact kernel which is Imnuts non OC one
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chiahead52 said:
how is my personal experience making BS up? Like I stated I dont know why the battery life is better. I am not a dev or even super experienced in smart phones. but the fact is with the same Kernel and the exact same apps running that are restored from TB on all ROMs the battery life is different. I appreciate everything that everyone does here to improve and make these devices better than they originally came out. The things you guys do and the knowledge you have is crazy. Way more than I can ever understand personally.
Maybe it was an error on my part when I installed the other various ROM's. I dunno...but my own personal experience is not BS. Its upsetting to have someone claim that my honest experiences with my device are BS. I receive no benefit to claiming either is better or whatever. If you see post #3 I pretty much said what you said. try them out and form your own opinion.
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Because like it or not your opinion is based on perception and perception is easily fooled when it comes to battery life on these phones. I have seen it again and again. People believe that one ROM has better battery life than another bla bla bla.. Most if not all those people have no numbers to back up their assumption.. To top that off I am sure you did not recondition your battery stats before using each ROM.
And on top of all that its almost impossible to create an environment where you actually test each phone equally.
So what we have to go by is what is actually changed.. And I can tell you here and now... Its almost nothing, nothing under the hood is that much different at least in the modules and drivers and radio and kernel. And as someone who is a dev I can tell you that nothing about either ROM can make that much difference in battery life.

I have gotten good results and battery life from humble. First time i used gc it didnt do well on my phone. Not sure why. Second time around it was much better.
I also used altered beast v4 and it was just awful on my phone. Exchanged my phone for a new one and installed the same v4 as before and it was like a totally different rom.
I have had similar experiences with blackberries as well and if i remember correctly people always said roms act differently with other same model phones
I always set my phone up the same way and with the same apps and widgets.

[Q] Recommended ROM for functionality, not customization

I just rooted a couple days ago. I went with imnuts Voodoo Lagfix Kernel and also his EE4 Debloated v4.2.1. Coming from the HTC world this is all a little new to me. The #1 reason i rooted was for tethering(I'll take my chances with Big Red) so I know that it doesnt matter which ROM I use for that. But I also want to take advantage of possibly having better battery life and if its possible, increasing my 4g signal. Im in the charge and drain battery process of battery calibration now so i know that should help. But what about the 4g signal? Ive read that gummychared may help that, but is that claim substantiated? One thing is that I DO NOT want to sacrifice stability. I really dont care much about theming or customization, Im actually satisfied with LauncherPro, it customizes all I need. So I guess the question is, which ROM offers the best functionality rather than customization?

I don't think a rom effects signal strength.. Thats more of the radio.. I could be wrong tho.. Alot of people go to humble cus it has great battery life after calibration.. Go with the EE4 edition because its froyo and more stable.. You will need to recalibrate your battery again after you flash tho...... ALSOOOO post questions in general
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just my two cents but i would stay on stock if you want stability since no custom rom is "perfect" (not saying stock is either).
that being said, i've been using gummy for a while and haven't had any major issues. yea, i've had a few random reboots (once every few days) but other than that its great and everything just works.

ahh. sorry. can a mod please move this to general?

I would go Eclipse or Humble if you want more of a stock/non-customized experience.
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eclipse 1.3.1 is the best.

Battery life is 99% dependent on your kernel -- the ROM really doesn't matter at all. And you'll get the best battery life with imnuts' non-overlock PBJ kernel.
Anyways, as far as ROM goes, I'd also recommend Eclipse. Definitely the best ROM if you want to just flash it and be done.
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I'm like you, that my first priority is stability and useability. I started on WM then was in iOS for awhile, and now to Android. As much as I can't stand a lot of the draconian pieces of Apple, I will give them a lot of credit for putting together something that is consistent, seamless and just seems to work.
I've been lukewarm on Eclipse there's some things missing that I need to either repair or go back to Humble for (Namely missing the bluetooth voice dial functionality). I've also experienced some odd anomalies with Eclipse that I didn't see with Humble. I'm curious to try out one of the Gingerbread ROMs- mainly to see if the updated radios make a big difference or not (signal strength=>Battery life). I've also just been waiting on updates to Humble etc too. Haven't tried Gummy yet, and with either Humble or Eclipse I've experienced zero reboots.
As far as battery life goes, I've found that the biggest difference is where you're at (Kernel too)...meaning that when I'm at home or work and on wifi, I get reasonable battery life...if I'm commuting, or out downtown it starts plummeting...I tend to leave 4G on just for convenience...3G seems to be a bit better on battery life, but more often than not I end up on a call and need to look something up and end up turning 4G back on anyway. This is as you've noticed that when Wifi is enabled the cellular data goes off, and wifi is a much lower drain on battery than cellular data.
Check out "Setting Profiles" it's a pretty good app that lets you define profiles for location, time of day etc to control radios etc. If you set location based on GPS that can kill battery, but you can also define location by WiFi SSID which works like a charm. This way when I get home I can crank ringer volume etc, but when at work it's on silent etc. I've noticed minimal if any impact to the battery because of it too.

Thanks for that reply. I think I'm leaning more towards Humble. From what I've read it seems like the simplest, just put it on and leave it alone, type of ROM out there. I wasn't too worried about the look of it as I use Launcherpro but I just also read that Launcherpro might be a bit of a battery drain. So I think I'll load Humble up and see how I like it.

I really liked Humble. I'm running Eclipse right now, because I really liked the color scheme and feel of the theme. Functionally, I think they're both up to par (as was gummy).
I feel like I got better battery with Humble, but I'm not sure. I know its dependent on the kernel, but I also don't know if the packaged kernel was undervolted to make a difference. I just installed pbj oc on my phone today (was running the non oc version before) and am going to see if undervolting makes a tangible difference in battery life. It could just be that the phone has lost that "new feeling" or that Humble was advertised as having great battery life that skewed my perception.

Humble is awesome. It's kind of a bland, non customizable experience with great stability. Never once had any problems with Humble. If you're just looking to have a phone that "works" then I would suggest Humble, don't get it if you like to install themes or do other such things. What you see is what you get.
Eclipse on the other hand is more for customization(like gummycharged with all its themes). It's running a modified TW4 and it looks great, I LOVE all the Galaxy S2 widgets Nitro included in this ROM. That's the only reason I flashed it over humble. It's already got a great looking Honeycomb theme and soon there's going to be a red/black theme. There is only 1 real problem with Eclipse and that's the fact that 'clearing RAM' through your Task Manager can cause TWLauncher(TouchWiz) to close and force restart, basically freezing your phone for a good 15 seconds. It happens alot, I just kicked my habit of clearing RAM since apparently it does that by itself.
So the choice is yours, a bland non customizable ROM with great stability = Humble. An awesome looking ROM with tons of customizations and features = Eclipse

It would be doing a disservice both to the OP and to kejar and teamgummy to not point out that Humble is built off of GC.
They're all solid experiences.

I haven't had to tweak ... anything... really in gummy charged, it's clean and functional, the themes are a nice addition but I use the default theme anyway.

Sense based rom with the best battery life?

I just rooted my phone and have been using the stock rooted 2.3 with root and bloatware removed but I'm less than impressed with the battery life on it.
My question is, what are some Sense based roms that are hopefully up to date with Gingerbread that I should try out that have good battery life? I didn't want to try every single one so I'm hoping to narrow it down a little. Appreciate the help you guys give.

Honestly it varies from phone to phone.
It depends on a lot of things, signal, radio, ril, kernel, the phone itself, cpu clock, cpu profile, screen brightness, rouge apps, widgets..... and so on
The best advice any one can give you is try all of them for about a week and see which one suits you best.

Ah. I figured that was it but I was hoping it wasn't. Guess I'll have to do it the long and hard way. Thank you.

If I may be so bold as to recommend android revolution, I've flashed quite a few but always seem to find my way back to arhd for the same reason (battery life).

Getting great battery life here with VU (see sig).

I just Unity last night. Android revolution was the other one I'll probably end up trying someday. Thanks guys.

Calling all WeaponG2x Users!

So, after trying out many other roms, I've come to the conclusion that WeaponG2x is the one that works for me. However, I was also wondering if it was stable and smooth because of the stock kernel or is it the rom?
I've been using Weapon for a week and a half now and it runs smoothly, never crashes on me, never have to pull battery, and I did realize that battery was better than the previous roms.
Now I want to know if I should use any other custom kernel(overclocked or not)? The roms runs great, except I noticed that it lags a bit here and there, but not too much. Like when i'm downloading an app, the screen will be still for like 1 milisecond when it's installing. That's probably the trade off for the decent battery life, but I'm not sure.
So what kernel are you guys using with Weapon? Let me know, I've been thinking about using Faux kernel, overclock it to about 1100 with SetCPU. But im worried it'll have a major impact on battery life.
Thanks.

NekoNyapii said:
So, after trying out many other roms, I've come to the conclusion that WeaponG2x is the one that works for me. However, I was also wondering if it was stable and smooth because of the stock kernel or is it the rom?
I've been using Weapon for a week and a half now and it runs smoothly, never crashes on me, never have to pull battery, and I did realize that battery was better than the previous roms.
Now I want to know if I should use any other custom kernel(overclocked or not)? The roms runs great, except I noticed that it lags a bit here and there, but not too much. Like when i'm downloading an app, the screen will be still for like 1 milisecond when it's installing. That's probably the trade off for the decent battery life, but I'm not sure.
So what kernel are you guys using with Weapon? Let me know, I've been thinking about using Faux kernel, overclock it to about 1100 with SetCPU. But im worried it'll have a major impact on battery life.
Thanks.
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That lag when installing apps is an Android problem, not ROM. I believe Google fixed that in ICS. If it ain't broke no need to fix it is what I believe, so I say just stick with what kernel you already have.
But if you really wanna try something new then try the Dragon Kernel that was repacked by Mr.Apocalypse. Or you can try Faux's. But make sure you try the one that's for the 2.3.3 GB OTA by Faux, not the CM7 version.

Stay with stock kernel. Since no drivers for the kernel were ever released, technically stock is the best aside from the tweaks, but then it becomes a sort of ported kernel.

buru898 said:
Stay with stock kernel. Since no drivers for the kernel were ever released, technically stock is the best aside from the tweaks, but then it becomes a sort of ported kernel.
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Stock kernel is good, I think that's the reason my battery life was great. But I'm gonna stay with Dragon and see how things go.

Wooooooo, im rocking faux's kernel repackaged by loterious for faster boot times.
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You will get best battery life/stability on your stock weapon kernel. If you want to oc go with faux but prepare for noticible bad battery life.
P.s. try pheonix blood on stock kernel way better imo
Making bad decision's one at a time.

I.R.Chevy said:
You will get best battery life/stability on your stock weapon kernel. If you want to oc go with faux but prepare for noticible bad battery life.
P.s. try pheonix blood on stock kernel way better imo
Making bad decision's one at a time.
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I love PhoenixBlood, but I like Weapon better, it seems more stable, everything works!

NekoNyapii said:
I love PhoenixBlood, but I like Weapon better, it seems more stable, everything works!
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Wise choice. Weapon is a great rom. Back it up and try "new clip". Follow the instructions and give it time to settle. There is a new updated weapon rom coming soon. In new clip you will get fast GPS locks. Fast/quick interface. Very nice. The one quibble is clock placement.

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Wise choice. Weapon is a great rom. Back it up and try "new click". Follow the instructions and give it time to settle. There is a new updated weapon rom coming soon. In new click you will get fast GPS locks. Fast/quick interface. Very nice. The one quibble is clock placement.
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New Clip*
I ran weapon r1 and new clip and you are right both are the bees knees. The gps fix in new clip was an unreal change in fix time as well! Good luck with the weapon!
Making bad decision's one at a time.

I have always used weapons and Faux is the way to go. I use setcpu and I run my processor at 1.552 when the screens on and. 389 when its off and I get over 15 hours per charge with moderate use. Just customize the profiles in setcpu to your liking.
Weapons for life!

What exactly is this "New click"? Is it a new weapon mod?
Anyways I have been using weapon r1 3.0 for about a week now, everything is stable and smooth, however gps isnt exactly the fastest, often it doesnt even lock indoor (which, my old phone does). Takes roughly 15s-1m to get a lock outdoor too. I personally think that is slow.
Other than the gps, i am fairly satisfied with the WeaponG2x_30_R1_1022.

hhwong said:
What exactly is this "New click"? Is it a new weapon mod?
Anyways I have been using weapon r1 3.0 for about a week now, everything is stable and smooth, however gps isnt exactly the fastest, often it doesnt even lock indoor (which, my old phone does). Takes roughly 15s-1m to get a lock outdoor too. I personally think that is slow.
Other than the gps, i am fairly satisfied with the WeaponG2x_30_R1_1022.
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Sorry for the typo. It is "New Clip". New Clip is new revision by Kwes1020. He has taken ownership of the rom now that the original dev no longer has a G2x. GPS is much improved and the entire interface has been tweaked for a smoother faster response. It is flashed over Weapon from CWM. It retains all your settings, apps etc. It is a worthy upgrade. Soon there will be an all new version of Weapon, but for now it is the best solution.Try it, you will like it.

Yep... I've tried about 3 or 4 roms before I came up weapon.... This is definitely the most stable by far. Have no issues with it in about 3 weeks now. Also don't suffer from the SoD anymore either.

Tried CM7 Stable looked nice but had SOD issues on lock
then i used root explorer to flush out the bloat ware and ran that for a few hours and backed it up and installed
weapon_r, only problem seemed to be if i rebooted i had to re install from backup need for speed and the nova demo. or they would crash boot on start. but
just flashed new clip and after reboot no lockup on need for speed or nova!
love this rom.....everything works and lots of options. nice and fast (maybe too fast) i was used to a ginger lol optimums t that i gave to my mom after disablement of data(she can use wi fi) i'm not paying for a data line for her.

I tried out faux's kernel but I don't like it. Either it's the kernel or setcpu's default values, but my phone keeps turning off randomly over night.
How do I go back to weapon's kernel without flashing the whole rom again?

id3alistic said:
I tried out faux's kernel but I don't like it. Either it's the kernel or setcpu's default values, but my phone keeps turning off randomly over night.
How do I go back to weapon's kernel without flashing the whole rom again?
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Boot into CWM
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Wipe cache
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All settings should be retained. I remember reading somewhere that when you change kernels, you should go into application management and clear data and cache from SetCPU or some of the old settings will be used. Not sure if that's true or not. And actually, maybe that was the original problem for you on faux's kernel. *shrug*

I didn't have SetCPU prior to faux kernel... I wanted to try overclocking and my phone would randomly shut off. So I just left the values at default and it still did it.

Bumping since I have another question.
Every now and then on the home screen, when i try to slide to the next screen, the screen will pan out and show all of my home screens instead. I'm not sure how to change it back without rebooting.
Anyone know what I might have did?

id3alistic said:
Bumping since I have another question.
Every now and then on the home screen, when i try to slide to the next screen, the screen will pan out and show all of my home screens instead. I'm not sure how to change it back without rebooting.
Anyone know what I might have did?
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If your using go launcher you can set the swipe up and swipe down on your homescreen to do stuff I disable it cause its annoying.
Edit: On your homescreen (assuming you have go launcher) > preferences > gestures > glide up > select the option 'disable'
Make sure you do the same thing with "glide down" option.
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[Q] Should I keep PACman ROM or move onto Viper?

First off, I apologize if this the wrong spot. First thread and this category seemed appropriate. Now the main question. My PACman ROM I really love but the battery life is horrendous! I really like the ultimate customization but honestly the battery life is irritating. Now I want to switch to Viper. I was also planning to flash a custom kernel. ElementalX I believe it's called. Now I need help if I should switch. Many thanks!
EDIT 1: I installed Viper, it ran smoothly, but what I like to call "self plug-ins" are way to much from Venom. They have to many Venom/Viper apps and they are probably useless. So uninstalled and hopefully I'll research more of the tweaks for a better experience next time.

SilentDeathShot said:
First off, I apologize if this the wrong spot. First thread and this category seemed appropriate. Now the main question. My PACman ROM I really love but the battery life is horrendous! I really like the ultimate customization but honestly the battery life is irritating. Now I want to switch to Viper. I was also planning to flash a custom kernel. ElementalX I believe it's called. Now I need help if I should switch. Many thanks!
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I haven't used PACman, but I'm a huge fan of CM10 (not 10.1 for me yet).
I used ViperOneS for about 7 months and enjoyed it, but it definitely still felt a little bloated (and that was using a custom kernel with the system overclocked and undervolted). The customization was nice, it had few bugs, and the sense camera is hard to beat. I have limited experience with Viper 2.0 - so someone else may need to chime in about it specifically. I used the de-Sensed installer and it still felt slightly bloated.
CM10 is a much cleaner experience in my opinion. Even without a custom kernel that has the chip overclocked, the ROM runs much more smoothly. It is nearly a perfect ROM except for the camera. It's not bad, but it's definitely nowhere near as good as Sense. I would also say that CM is more stable than Viper, but only slightly so.
It really comes down to what you value.

@ OP, what do you expect from this question? There are people who say Viper is great (including me) and others who will say it isn't worth it to switch. Just try and flash and see for yourself to get the best inside info about this ROM. After that you can tell us if it was worth it

Nit trying to be rude or something, but if you got a battery drain problem, then its probably not the ROM(although I use JellyBAM - not from xda), but something else. I used pacman in the past, and it was similar to Stoxk sense, or maybe a little better. Try a clean install, and try not to restore any settings. If battery life still isn't right, then its probably an app behaving poorly.

Boes40 said:
@ OP, what do you expect from this question? There are people who say Viper is great (including me) and others who will say it isn't worth it to switch. Just try and flash and see for yourself to get the best inside info about this ROM. After that you can tell us if it was worth it
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I'm just looking for a better battery life, smooth performance, and a just an overall easy experience. I'm used to Jellybean ROMs the most, so sense type are kinda new for me.

YoMarK said:
Nit trying to be rude or something, but if you got a battery drain problem, then its probably not the ROM(although I use JellyBAM - not from xda), but something else. I used pacman in the past, and it was similar to Stoxk sense, or maybe a little better. Try a clean install, and try not to restore any settings. If battery life still isn't right, then its probably an app behaving poorly.
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I've done so many reinstalls. Maybe in the past week I'll say 10. I played the pretty CPU and GPU demanding game ago. But I haven't played in awhile and it's not running.