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Infuse 4G in Canada with Gingerbread and 1080i video
http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_infuse_4g_goes_to_canada_with_gingerbread_flavor-news-2766.php
As the title says... now is it possible to get that in my AT&T-branded Infuse 4G?
will be once the rogers infuse is released. 1080i actually has less information than 720p so it is well within the capabilities or the phone, that wouldnt surprise me at all if they added it.
What the, USA version only 720p? so canada version same rom . can we flash to the 2.3 gingerrbead ?
it should be as easy as getting a rom dump from a rogers subscriber and odin flashing it to this phone. 1080i isnt really better than 720p, especially if things are in motion. a sporting event would look betterin 720p while something stationary would look better in 1080i, 1080i is actually easier on the processor.
Where are you guys seeing that it says 1080i? The ad from Samsung says full HD, and the article specifically says 1080p. No where do I see 1080i mentioned.
i hope so. but full hd can mean many things. 720p and 1080i used to both mean full hd, now there is 1080p plus the att infuse was rumored to have 1080p recording for a long time. we will only know when rogers releases there version
720p and 1080i are considered hd but not full hd. 1080p is considered full hd. 1080i now adays typically means a resolution of 1366x768 as a slight improvement when compared to 720p's 1280x720. its not actually interlaced anymore, it was just a qualification for old crts that where interlaced.
The Jack of Clubs said:
720p and 1080i are considered hd but not full hd. 1080p is considered full hd. 1080i now adays typically means a resolution of 1366x768 as a slight improvement when compared to 720p's 1280x720. its not actually interlaced anymore, it was just a qualification for old crts that where interlaced.
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so what 1080i is just a nonsense number aimed at confused consumers? pardon me if im a little sceptical about the 1366x768 being called 1080i by any manufacturer, i have never heard that. but i will admit that manufacturers will mis lead you at every step of the way because they think you are too stupid to understand the facts. i was under the impression that 1080p tv's played 1080i signals by doubling the lines. i have seen 1366x768 tv's sold at walmart and they may have suport for a 1080i input but they dont typically advertise these as being 1080i. they may say hd or hd ready. but there usually isnt a sticker claiming 1080 resoulution.
i dont even know how interlaced is handled anymore. samsung, toshiba, and nvidia call 1080i that. i dont think it really has a place in todays displays or cameras.
well if the infuse from rogers does 1080p recording then that would be amazing. does rogers have a release schedule?
1080p will eat sonmuch SD card space and longer to upload on YouTube. But still nice tho
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so set it to 720p if you dont want it.
Frooty said:
Where are you guys seeing that it says 1080i? The ad from Samsung says full HD, and the article specifically says 1080p. No where do I see 1080i mentioned.
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Just a typo? the "i" and "p" are close together on the keyboard
1080p would great... just in case but 720p for most things.
Another 720p, 1080i, 1080p argument? I think this horse has been officially beaten to death, lol.
frankdogg said:
Another 720p, 1080i, 1080p argument? I think this horse has been officially beaten to death, lol.
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seriously, who cares about video quality.. you already have 8mp..
let's hear more about gingerbread.
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When using the MHL cable to output the phone's screen to the TV, The video is not nearly as crisp as it is when I play it back later on the computer. I assume this is because the device is showing the compressed video form on the device which is what is being output?
Is there any way to output a better quality version to the TV? (App, etc) Has anyone else felt the same way?
Dsbtwins said:
When using the MHL cable to output the phone's screen to the TV, The video is not nearly as crisp as it is when I play it back later on the computer. I assume this is because the device is showing the compressed video form on the device which is what is being output?
Is there any way to output a better quality version to the TV? (App, etc) Has anyone else felt the same way?
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I just picked up the MHL dongle last week. Works great! Love it!
I think VIDEOS I've shot on the Sensation look like 1080p/720p on my Plasma HDTV... to my eye at least. I assume that's what you're talking about....videos you've recorded or HD You Tube vids etc?
Are you for sure recording in HD? 1080p/720p?? I think by default, the Sensation is set to qHD res in the camcorder settings.
You may already know this, but for those who don't.....
The UI on the phone isn't going to be true HD on your HDTV, as the Sensations display is only qHD 960x540. 720p is 1280X720 and 1080p is of course 1920x1080....officially. There is NO compromise on the official HD resolution standard. It either is or isn't HD....qHD is a marketing term...it looks like true HD on mobile devices, but it's not truly HD.
As far as I can tell though.... it does indeed output true HD resolutions from media etc....but not the UI itself. Videos I've recorded look stunning on my plasma....the UI of course looks grainy.
Hope that helps somebody. If I misstated anything...please correct me
That's correct you have to manually change camcorder to 1080P mode.
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Hoggles said:
I just picked up the MHL dongle last week. Works great! Love it!
I think VIDEOS I've shot on the Sensation look like 1080p/720p on my Plasma HDTV... to my eye at least. I assume that's what you're talking about....videos you've recorded or HD You Tube vids etc?
Are you for sure recording in HD? 1080p/720p?? I think by default, the Sensation is set to qHD res in the camcorder settings.
You may already know this, but for those who don't.....
The UI on the phone isn't going to be true HD on your HDTV, as the Sensations display is only qHD 960x540. 720p is 1280X720 and 1080p is of course 1920x1080....officially. There is NO compromise on the official HD resolution standard. It either is or isn't HD....qHD is a marketing term...it looks like true HD on mobile devices, but it's not truly HD.
As far as I can tell though.... it does indeed output true HD resolutions from media etc....but not the UI itself. Videos I've recorded look stunning on my plasma....the UI of course looks grainy.
Hope that helps somebody. If I misstated anything...please correct me
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Thanks! Yeah I am up to date on my resolution knowledge , and Yeah I guess it outputting it in HD, it just is a little jittery, and for fast moving objects (I was recording ping pong XD ) it looked much smoother when I pulled the file off and played it on the computer.
Where are you guys getting your MHL cables? Are they the official HTC ones?
Hoggles said:
I just picked up the MHL dongle last week. Works great! Love it!
I think VIDEOS I've shot on the Sensation look like 1080p/720p on my Plasma HDTV... to my eye at least. I assume that's what you're talking about....videos you've recorded or HD You Tube vids etc?
Are you for sure recording in HD? 1080p/720p?? I think by default, the Sensation is set to qHD res in the camcorder settings.
You may already know this, but for those who don't.....
The UI on the phone isn't going to be true HD on your HDTV, as the Sensations display is only qHD 960x540. 720p is 1280X720 and 1080p is of course 1920x1080....officially. There is NO compromise on the official HD resolution standard. It either is or isn't HD....qHD is a marketing term...it looks like true HD on mobile devices, but it's not truly HD.
As far as I can tell though.... it does indeed output true HD resolutions from media etc....but not the UI itself. Videos I've recorded look stunning on my plasma....the UI of course looks grainy.
Hope that helps somebody. If I misstated anything...please correct me
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qHD isn't actually marketed as HD... it's qHD because it's (q)uarter HD, as in 1/4 of the HD resolution. 1920 / 2 = 960, and 1080 / 2 = 540. Divide length and width each by 2, and the overall number of pixels gets divided by 4.
It's not just a marketing term.
gilbar said:
qHD isn't actually marketed as HD... it's qHD because it's (q)uarter HD, as in 1/4 of the HD resolution. 1920 / 2 = 960, and 1080 / 2 = 540. Divide length and width each by 2, and the overall number of pixels gets divided by 4.
It's not just a marketing term.
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Correct...it is actually quarter HD, of course....hence the "q". What I meant by marketing term is that a vast majority of people out there see the "HD" and may think it's actually HD...when of course it's not.
glhturbo said:
Where are you guys getting your MHL cables? Are they the official HTC ones?
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from the tmobileUS website under accessories
Hello, since the Optimus 3D can handle full HD, why cant it just capture 1080p split screen like in 3D mode for 720p? After all its not recording two videos, its sharing the sensors into one. Perhaps a hack?
I am pretty sure it is recording 2 videos, that's why it is SBS (SIDE BY SIDE) format...
prove me wrong
what i mean is its making one single video of 1280x720 split in half for each lens.. so its not really 720p its more like two sensors of 640 (1280/2) side resolution, joined into one videofile.
If that is so, then they could make one of 1080p. At least itll be 1920 cut in half (960 lines across each) instead of 1280 cut in half..
I understand it all.. but look at it this way..... you think it is easy to process 2 simultaneous videos of 960x480?
if it is so easy, everybody would do it... but it is not happening
Yes it is possible to shoot in 3D 1080p with TI omap 4460 which is an upgrade of
TI omap 4430.
http://focus.ti.com/general/docs/wt...ntId=53243&navigationId=12843&templateId=6123
TI omap 4460 runs at 1.5 GHz. Perhaps some one can overclock TI omap 4430 and create software to shoot 3D at 1080p.
With overclock and software mods this is probably possible but i expect that battery life will be disasterously low. Im sure someone will work on this eventually once we have an overclock kernel.
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cinemano said:
what i mean is its making one single video of 1280x720 split in half for each lens.. so its not really 720p its more like two sensors of 640 (1280/2) side resolution, joined into one videofile.
If that is so, then they could make one of 1080p. At least itll be 1920 cut in half (960 lines across each) instead of 1280 cut in half..
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720p 3D is making two 720p movies.
1080p 3D is making two 1080p movies.
That's the side by side thing. It has a different video for your left eye and for your right eye.
The fact that the o3d itself is playing interlaced 3d movies doesn't mean that it also records that way. B/c if it did then the specs should say that it's recording 720i and not 720p.
Thus that's why it can't record 1080p 3D, it's just too much for the hardware.
But maybe someone can overclock it and make it work anyway.
Even if the CPU can handle 1080p 3D, I doubt that memory and the I/O is fast and big enough to handle the movie. 720i 3D is already pushing the limit of the hardware on O3D.
But then I do hope that one day we can do it
You can also wait for TI OMAP 5.
Comsumer products will be expetcted end of 2012.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I24j2NKr9h8&NR=1
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there is no interlacing or 720i on this phone, please people, stop saying there is.
It isn't HD 3D, if it was there would be 1280x720 (minimum) for each eye as there is with other 2D HD video. The O3D has 640x720 for each eye with rectangular pixels (progressive, side by side, not interlaced)
mmace said:
there is no interlacing or 720i on this phone, please people, stop saying there is.
It isn't HD 3D, if it was there would be 1280x720 (minimum) for each eye as there is with other 2D HD video. The O3D has 640x720 for each eye with rectangular pixels (progressive, side by side, not interlaced)
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I think you may need to look up what "interlaced" means.
It might not be interlaced in the traditional sense and indeed I presume its drawn to the screen in a progressive manner. However it IS a column interlaced image, because that is how a parallax barrier works by interlacing left and right eye images and obstructing the right eye image from the left, vice versa.
Anyway that does not alter the fact you are correct about how the O3D is capturing 720p 3D. Its also quite irritating as LG are promoting horizontal interlaced passive Cinema 3D technology on their TV and monitors while employing vertical interlacing on their phone.
It makes them a less than ideal match as you are effectively capturing half the resolution width wise then having to drop the vertical resolution too for the passive 3D to work. Its damn annoying as horizontal parallax I suspect would be easier to stay in the sweet spot on O3D too, which is why its used on TVs in the first place.
I also notice the O3D does not seem to display anything other than video at 1080p, which makes displaying photos on a 3DTV/monitor a PITA.
That said I am not very impressed with their Cinema 3D monitor I just bought, it looks awful for general PC use as you can see feint lines on the screen. I did not expect the polarising film to cause a visible effect like this with the glasses off.
The crosstalk is also worse than I expected, sometimes worse than the O3D, sometimes better. Its sad to see the reviews were correct for once, I certainly did not see this on their 47" TV using the same technology. I guess pixel size must have an effect on how easy it is to block crosstalk. Its weird though, as with the glasses looking up close you would swear it was blocking every other line fully from the wrong eye, but the crosstalk makes it all to clear its not.
Anyway back on topic, the reason its harder to do 1080p in 3D is because when filming in 3D you aren't simply taking the images from both cameras and storing them. The software is actually constantly working out how much to converge the two images for the 3D effect work and THEN cropping/scaling the image down to fit into 720p Half-SBS. For that to be possibly it has to open the cameras at 720p, it needs the extra width to simulate the lenses being further apart or closer together, depending on how its focusing the 3D image. So again for 1080p it would have to process two full 1080p video feeds, which might even be possible but would require the kind of software optimisation that will never happen in a market where the next best thing is always around the corner.
After all, its both easier and more financially viable to just put that feature on the NEXT device so it will not require as much software optimisation (the next device will be more powerful so it might "just work" without needing optimisation at all) and is a selling point for people to pickup the new device. Its a win win for the manufacturer.
sorry but the optimus isnt capturing 720p 3D, its 640 lines across for each eye. Its one single 1280x720 video file in split screen not two. I first read this in a respectable review of the phone, then confirmed it when i opened a videofile from the phone and looked at it's properties.
Alex Atkin UK said:
I think you may need to look up what "interlaced" means.
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apologies, I was meaning capture
Suppose i turn on the HD feature to watch videos on YouTube. Does my phone use more bandwidth streaming if it has a higher resolution screen? Or is the same video being downloaded and made to fit my lower resolution screen resulting in identical data consumption?
Another example would be YouTube.com offers resolutions of 380p/480p/720p/1080p. Does the EVO(800x480) stream at 480p on HD whereas the EVO 3D(960x540) streams at 720p and crops the picture? Or do both Stream at 720p and crop the picture?
If it is the former it seems the WVGA (800x480) on the GSII might be a better idea than the 720p display on the Nexus Prime. You can hardly stream HD videos over 3g/4g as it is and a lot of people don't have unlimited data plans.
Maybe someone could post results comparing streaming data consumption of the same video on an EVO vs EVO 3D to get an idea...
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The bigger the resolution of the youtube video the more bandwidth it needs. The same video (let's say 720p) needs the same amout of data on 2 different phones. Higher resolutions also have higher quality audio and cropping is a local procedure, after the date has been transferred. So the amount of data watching a 720p video on EVO and EVO 3D should be the same.
or does it send 480p which our phone then spreads over qHD?
If the latter, than maybe no advantage to qHD over wvga when videos are concerned...
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or does it send 480p which our phone then spreads over qHD?
If the latter, than maybe no advantage to qHD over wvga when videos are concerned...
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I'm not sure but enabling HQ via youtube, still brings back crappy video quality.
I know youtube compresses data, and that's why its kinda blocky, but on my iPod touch 4th gen, the same video will look amazing!! It looks like on iOS they are using the 1080p or 720p videos if available whereas on my sensation it looks like they use 360p videos. I hate that.
It does on netflix. it optimize the stream base on your connection but I don't think it is 720p or 1080p. Probably need better software support not really the hardware fault.
Its all based on the ones providing the video. netflix/youtube have poor quality. but then again youe tube is based on other peoples cameras so if they have a good camera the video will be better. but just because you have a device that supports 1080p doesnt me everything you play will be in that quality. just means if you have a 1080p hd video your device will play it. the video itself may be a little better but not substantially .
It really sucks. Like Hgaara, the same video will look pretty awesome on my iPod touch 4th generation compared to my Sensation. Oh well.
agreed.
But if you got to youtube website you can specify 360p - 1080p when available.
But it's obvious youtube HD pumps out some "optimal" resolution to android phones.
I was just curious if it pumps out qHD ( 540 x 960 ) feed to our phones or 480p
Same for netflix
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I've answered my own question with a bit of experimentation
here is my test video if you'd like to try to duplicate my efforts
the video is 720p
This is all on the Sensation of course:
First I watched it using the youtube ap
Then I watched it on youtube's webpage using Dolphin HD in desktop mode.
the video quality is amazingly better. Pretty crisp and smooth in fact.
So the lesson is: for better video quality on youtube,
don't use the ap.
don't browse YouTube in mobile mode
DO use desktop mode (Easily done in Dolphin HD)
DO remember to select a higher resolution. Use 1080p if available because the Sensation does a much smoother job of displaying 1080p on qhd rather than 720p because of the perfect 4 pixel to 1 ratio between 1080p and qHD
You might get a warning from youtube that the video is not optimized for mobile, but trust me, our beast of a phone can handle it.