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With my 30 free days of Sprint service coming to an end soon I wanted to use my Evo on T-Mobiles network. I tested making and recieving calls and sms through SIP and Google voice on my home network and it works great, all thats left is to tether the Evo to my G1. To my surprise it does not work.
What will it take to get the Evo to recognize Ad-Hoc networks? Cyanogen's roms can do this.
Teh Dust said:
To reduce the ammount of WTF T-Mobile responses and clarify what I am trying to do. Here is a quick overview.
I got my Evo at I/O, it came with a month of Sprint service and that month is almost up. I do not want to switch to Sprint nor do I want to stop using this great device so I have found a way to use the phone without a carrier.
What needs to be done first is making and recieving calls. The Google Voice app does not currently allow calls to be placed over wifi so I need a work around for this. The work arround is to tie my Google Voice number to my Gizmo5 account which will let me access Google Voice via SIP. I then use the app SIPDroid to access my Gizmo5 account and make calls from Google Voice over Wifi. Done.
Next is SMS. Google Voice for Android allows you to make and place SMS over Wifi. Done.
Lastly is data. The Evo has wifi. Done.
With all of this I can use the phone compleatly over a WiFi network. But now I want to make the phone mobile.
I have a G1 on T-Mobile's network. It is rooted and running a custom build which allows me to do nothing but use the phone as a WiFi hotspot for a good day on the battery. The app being used to tether is WiFi Tether for Root Users.
The problem is the G1's hotspot is Ad-Hoc and currently the Evo (Stock Android in general.) can not connect to Ad-Hoc networks without modifications such as the ones done in Cyanogen Mod. If theese mods are duplicated for a rom on the Evo I will be able to use my Evo where ever I go without the need of a carrier.
Hope that cleared everything up.
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I think there are a few threads around already talking about the EVO's lack of ability to connect to ad-hoc networks. I don't know of a fix as of yet though.
wait, what? you got the Evo to work on TMO? am I reading this wrong?
tyrnight said:
wait, what? you got the Evo to work on TMO? am I reading this wrong?
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I got the evo to receive calls and sms over wifi. If I can tether it to the G1 than yes, it would be on T-Mo.
Teh Dust said:
I got the evo to receive calls and sms over wifi. If I can tether it to the G1 than yes, it would be on T-Mo.
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problem is, in this case, if your already using wifi for your connection, you cant use it for tethering.. its already in use for another purpose(wifi).
Im still astounded by the TMO effect in this thread.. since this is a CDMA phone and you would need a GSM phone to talk to TMO. So since the cell radio isn't used your gonna be out of luck unless you tether via USB or BT.
perhaps everyone is reading this wrong, ot its just me.
His evo is NOT on the TMO cellular network. Its not possible.
His calls and sms are through wifi probably google voice or a SIP provider. Through his home network, NOT TMO.
tmo uses GSM and EVO (sprint) uses CDMA.
to OP ive not tried ad-hoc with my phone so im sorry i have nothing to report to ya. GL
To reduce the ammount of WTF T-Mobile responses and clarify what I am trying to do. Here is a quick overview.
I got my Evo at I/O, it came with a month of Sprint service and that month is almost up. I do not want to switch to Sprint nor do I want to stop using this great device so I have found a way to use the phone without a carrier.
What needs to be done first is making and recieving calls. The Google Voice app does not currently allow calls to be placed over wifi so I need a work around for this. The work arround is to tie my Google Voice number to my Gizmo5 account which will let me access Google Voice via SIP. I then use the app SIPDroid to access my Gizmo5 account and make calls from Google Voice over Wifi. Done.
Next is SMS. Google Voice for Android allows you to make and place SMS over Wifi. Done.
Lastly is data. The Evo has wifi. Done.
With all of this I can use the phone compleatly over a WiFi network. But now I want to make the phone mobile.
I have a G1 on T-Mobile's network. It is rooted and running a custom build which allows me to do nothing but use the phone as a WiFi hotspot for a good day on the battery. The app being used to tether is WiFi Tether for Root Users.
The problem is the G1's hotspot is Ad-Hoc and currently the Evo (Stock Android in general.) can not connect to Ad-Hoc networks without modifications such as the ones done in Cyanogen Mod. If theese mods are duplicated for a rom on the Evo I will be able to use my Evo where ever I go without the need of a carrier.
Hope that cleared everything up.
I don't know if you have a Nexus One but I just checked and the EVO can tether to the Nexus One's FroYo hotspot feature (over 3G).
Sprint
I think the reasoning behind the ROM for the EVO not being able to do this is because Sprint plans to charge for this service down the road and so you would get an app either from them or the market but it would only allow connection if you paid for the service on your plan. Much like how carriers plan to charge to let your phone be a wifi hotspot.
I may be wrong but that makes sense to me, if they can make money off a feature, they will...
this is quite clever. i would interested in seeing how you setup gizmo5, sipdroid, google voice, etc to do all calls over WiFi. i have a gizmo5 account and google voice.
Teh Dust said:
The problem is the G1's hotspot is Ad-Hoc and currently the Evo (Stock Android in general.) can not connect to Ad-Hoc networks without modifications such as the ones done in Cyanogen Mod.
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im thinking of it going in the other direction, there is a mod for the EVO hopefully soon to be integrated to the wifi tether app which lets the EVO wifi tether work in infrastructure mode, outside of ad-hoc mode.
Could the G1 use this app or something similar to broadcast outside of ad-hoc mode on infrastructure mode? more devices would be able to use the G1 also ... just an idea.
the ability for the EVO to connect to infrastructure networks instead of just ad-hoc networks seems reasonable. perhaps somebody familar with cyanogen's work could look at porting this function over to the EVO?
Doesn't canceling your Sprint trial involve you returning the EVO? The subsidized cost you got in the phone was for signing up for service. No service means you return the phone or buy it at MSRP.
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The i/o phones were given out for free. Included was a free trial of unlimited data phone and sms until a certain date. June something. Your thinking of the 30-day money back guarantee, that you get if you bought your phone from sprint. Hope that helps.
As we all know the the Nexus S has VoIP/SIP support and can be turned into a wifi hotspot, does this mean it will also support wifi calling?
What exactly do you think voip/sip are!?
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I've heard about it but I'm not really sure what it does exactly, that I'm here asking.
i'd be sold if this was able to do a uma-like wifi calling.
it'll probably do UMA/t-mobile wi-fi calling once someone ports the app over.
Yes, it will support Wifi calling. I have been running a beta GV with the sip stacks for about a month and works great.
VOIP and UMA are NOT the same thing. One might use Google voice which is VOIP but not UMA. I could care less about Voip but if the Nexus S can't do UMA it is a deal breaker and will just pick up the Mytouch 4G. Already sad that the Nexus isn't 4G and doesn't have external storage but with no UMA support I will just get the Mytouch and wait for gingerbread to make its way to that.
UMA would be nice, but i'm good without it, but i seriously think it'll get ported somehow.
i think what the original poster is getting at, will it be able to use the tmobile wifi calling app.
i have a nexus one with it now so i can make phone calls. i am interested in this as well because i really don't want to pay another provider to make calls on top of what i am currently paying tmobile.
I'm wondering the same thing and this is actually the only feature that has me wanting this phone if it does in fact allow wifi calling.
My Nexus one has a broken usb port and i've been forced to swap batteries the last few months while waiting for the first gingerbread phone to arrive. I was already hoping for so much more like 720p display, dual core, new ui, because it barely feels like it's an upgrade over my N1 as is.
When the official specs were announced I almost considered going to the iphone4 or Samsung Focus but I just can't do AT&T, lol.
Pretty sure G-Voice via VOIP would be better than the original wifi-calling app, anyway. I wasn't all that impressed with the wifi-calling app on N1, honestly.
How so? The T-Mobile app is free and uses your minutes from the calling plan. Gvoice requires payment ontop of your calling plan. I don't want to pay twice for the same service.
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VOIP and UMA are NOT the same thing. One might use Google voice which is VOIP but not UMA. I could care less about Voip but if the Nexus S can't do UMA it is a deal breaker and will just pick up the Mytouch 4G. Already sad that the Nexus isn't 4G and doesn't have external storage but with no UMA support I will just get the Mytouch and wait for gingerbread to make its way to that.
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If you want uma you will have to get a blackberry, currently the android devices just have gan.
makelegs said:
Pretty sure G-Voice via VOIP would be better than the original wifi-calling app, anyway. I wasn't all that impressed with the wifi-calling app on N1, honestly.
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Wifi calling sucked on the n1, the only device that was usable was the mt4g
robot_agenda said:
How so? The T-Mobile app is free and uses your minutes from the calling plan. Gvoice requires payment ontop of your calling plan. I don't want to pay twice for the same service.
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I've been using google voice for a year, and I've never paid a dime for anything. Unless you know something I don't know about some new service fee for g-voice when used in concert with VOIP, you may wanna re-assess g-voice altogether. It's flippin' AWESOME!.....
....AND FREE!!!
In all fairness, though.... call quality on the wifi app was poor for me. Volume was really low. Could be the fact that I was using an N1 hacked version, but I doubt it. If g-voice is only using the data you already paid for, then I don't see how it could cost anymore. Maybe I'm missing something though.
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How so? The T-Mobile app is free and uses your minutes from the calling plan. Gvoice requires payment ontop of your calling plan. I don't want to pay twice for the same service.
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GVoice doesn't require any payments. Calls to USA & Canada are free. Any other country have their rates, however. We still don't know how exactly is the VoIP implemented on the Nexus S, so can't say how it'll work as of now.
greenstuffs said:
If you want uma you will have to get a blackberry, currently the android devices just have gan.
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UMA and GAN are the same thing...in 2005 UMA specs were incorporated into the 3GPP rel. 6 specs and were renamed "Generic Access Network" or GAN.
The current list of phones that are UMA/GAN can be found here at
www .umatoday.com/smartphones.php
Currently the Nexus S is not there but that could just be because it is not out yet. Just have to see if after the release date if they update the list
Superfrag said:
GVoice doesn't require any payments. Calls to USA & Canada are free. Any other country have their rates, however. We still don't know how exactly is the VoIP implemented on the Nexus S, so can't say how it'll work as of now.
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If I was able to figure out how to use Google Voice to make calls over wireless LAN with mobile number, that will be a good alternative to wifi calling.
Wifi calling works fine on Vibrant
Blackberry supports wifi to cell handoff, Android handsets don't. Not sure whether Android is technically UMA or not. Either way the key is being able to receive calls over wifi. If you're stuck in the bowels of some massive office building and you have zero signal, being able to receive text messages and calls fluidly would be awesome. Especially if they're able to call or text to your regular number.
mingkee said:
If I was able to figure out how to use Google Voice to make calls over wireless LAN with mobile number, that will be a good alternative to wifi calling.
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GVoice on Android isn't VoIP, it just routes through your GVoice number. You need a SIP account like Gizmo5 etc to set it up. GVoice in GMail on your desktop IS VoIP. Hopefully they bring something like that soon..
As for how SIP/VoIP calling will work on the Nexus S, we'll just have to wait a few more days to find out, with concrete details.
I looked around some hands on videos of the Sensation and looked closely at the App Drawer... and did not see a Wifi Calling app.... maybe im wrong...
Anyone know if this device includes Wifi Calling?
i would guess that it will have it. In Barcelona earlier this year T-Mo stated it's commitment to wi-fi calling and that it planned on having it on all future smartphone devices.
yeah i would be pretty upset if it didn't have it since all the recent smartphones they've put out have this. I just got the feature added to my plan and im always in wifi areas, well i make alot of calls from home and with this i would rarely ever use my minutes.
Android 2.3 has integrated SIP call function in dailer. Otherwise, you can use free SIP software from market. You also can use GTalk for internet call.
Use Fring to make calls (video and voice). support conference call.
Yes the Sensation does in fact have WiFi Calling. I use it every day.
I was wondering if any of you can tell me if the wifi calling takes away from your plan minutes? I am hearing no from third parties and I am hearing yes directly from tmobile. Really thinking about switching to tmobile due to sprints horrible service where I recently moved to. It just might make sense to do it with this option.
Yes, With WiFi calling you use up your plans minutes.
thats dumb lol, using plan minutes when using wifi calling..wtf is the point!
thanks for the reply. That is pretty stupid. This would be a great option for those who don't have to best coverage and the extra option of not using minutes would make it over the top. Oh well, maybe I will get a airave from sprint and stay where I'm at.
I've heard that if you have a newer plan (not a grandfathered plan) with T-Mobile, they can add on free WiFi Calling which does not take away minutes from your plan.
Originally, and by default, it used to be that wifi calling deducted minutes from your regular plan... im not sure if the newer plans come with the wifi calling free plan.... but for me, since I already had a grandfathered plan, I just had to call Tmobile up, and request Free Wifi Calling, and then they enabled it, for free.
If you talk to tmobile customer support online or over the phone you can have a service added to your plan so that WiFi calling does not use your minutes. It will say "uses plan minutes" on your phone still but it actually will not.
EDIT: Haha caliber177 beat me to it!
SOB double post... whoops...
Here is what the wirefly website says. I know they are not tmobile but I'm just saying.
"WiFi Calling will allow you to make calls over a Wi-Fi network without deducting from your plan minutes. Android handsets will continue to display a message that indicates that calls will be deducted from plan minutes. However, if this feature is active, calls will be free and unlimited over Wi-Fi."
Capable device and Wi-Fi connection required. Wi-Fi calling decrements plan minutes. Except for UMA devices, device will not transition between Wi-Fi and the wireless network.
Thats what it says when you go to the wifi calling page on the t-mobile site! If you go to this link here http://smart-wi-fi.com/mobileHandsetsHTCSensation.php Its a UMA device.
I'm stoked to finally have cell service at my house. I doesn't bug me one bit having to use my minutes and Wifi calling is a great feature most carriers don't use.
I feel like people are picking this device apart under a microscope just to find things to complain about. Yes we all know s-off will be the day it really comes out to shine but in the mean time just enjoy the phone.
Im looking into the S6 and the research I've done has been inconclusive, so I'm here. I'd like to know if I can use 3g or lte during a phone call? Im currently on my s5, I do a lot of tethering and when I get a phone call it stops my data. I really need to maintain my data connection when I receive calls, so I'm considering going back to an s4 for that one feature alone. Can anyone who actually has an s6 tell me if they can use 3g or lte during a phone call? Thanks.
Depends on the carrier. I have Verizon, I can do both. Stock firmware. Although I do have advanced calling enabled, which is what makes the iPhone able to do it. I didn't check with it off. I'll see if I can turn it off and report back.
Edit. Cannot use voice and data without advanced calling enabled.
Go to settings and activate, then enable it.
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I have the cricket GS6 which is virtually the ATT variant and service and I can talkno the phone and use the internet at the sender time. Only thing is if you are on LTE the phone will go to 4G while on call.
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I'm sorry, I thought i said that I needed answers from users of the Sprint GS6. Thanks.
Asaik.... Sprint does not have that ability
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My S4 had that ability on sprint. But now my S6 can't
Sprint uses CDMA and from what I know they cant do data + calling unless the carrier supports it for the said phone.
Has less to do with what the carrier supports and more to do with whether the device has 2 antennae instead of just one. The s4 has 2 antennae, one of which comms with voice for calls and a separate one which comms with data, allowing you to use 3g or LTE during a call. Even phones as old as the HTC hero, OG evo, evolte, Samsung moment etc all had this capability due to the hardware. Now I want to know if the s6 is following the same "less for more" path that the s5 started by excluding hardware for their crazy high prices on the devices...
My old HTC m7 had this. On Sprint. It's terribly frustrating tethering to my consoles and getting kicked off when i get a call. So is this possible on our phone? Am i missing something?
Well, data and call work fine however when you get a call it'll pop you down from lte to 3g or h+, I'm assuming it's a feature to conserve battery but I'm not 100% on that
They call it Spark..
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My old HTC m7 had this. On Sprint. It's terribly frustrating tethering to my consoles and getting kicked off when i get a call. So is this possible on our phone? Am i missing something?
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This is how the new/ enhanced Sprint network works:
All calls are routed through 3G network. Sprint 3 G is CDMA(Support either data or voice)
For some reason when sprint rebuild this so called Spark network they limited the phone Bands to have either Data or Voice(not both)
How ever some of the Old phones(Gs4 non spark, HTC M7) doesnot have spark capabilities they do Voice over 3 G and data over LTE (if any service available)
To answer your question: This will definitely happen on SGs6. As a user there isn't much you could do unless you use google voice and allow calls to rout to your hang out app.(this works great for me with most of of Commute route has solid LTE and wifi at work)
This simultaneous Data/Voice restriction will be ther till Sprint decide to go with VoLTE. (Guesstimating by 2020 Fingers cross )