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With my 30 free days of Sprint service coming to an end soon I wanted to use my Evo on T-Mobiles network. I tested making and recieving calls and sms through SIP and Google voice on my home network and it works great, all thats left is to tether the Evo to my G1. To my surprise it does not work.
What will it take to get the Evo to recognize Ad-Hoc networks? Cyanogen's roms can do this.
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To reduce the ammount of WTF T-Mobile responses and clarify what I am trying to do. Here is a quick overview.
I got my Evo at I/O, it came with a month of Sprint service and that month is almost up. I do not want to switch to Sprint nor do I want to stop using this great device so I have found a way to use the phone without a carrier.
What needs to be done first is making and recieving calls. The Google Voice app does not currently allow calls to be placed over wifi so I need a work around for this. The work arround is to tie my Google Voice number to my Gizmo5 account which will let me access Google Voice via SIP. I then use the app SIPDroid to access my Gizmo5 account and make calls from Google Voice over Wifi. Done.
Next is SMS. Google Voice for Android allows you to make and place SMS over Wifi. Done.
Lastly is data. The Evo has wifi. Done.
With all of this I can use the phone compleatly over a WiFi network. But now I want to make the phone mobile.
I have a G1 on T-Mobile's network. It is rooted and running a custom build which allows me to do nothing but use the phone as a WiFi hotspot for a good day on the battery. The app being used to tether is WiFi Tether for Root Users.
The problem is the G1's hotspot is Ad-Hoc and currently the Evo (Stock Android in general.) can not connect to Ad-Hoc networks without modifications such as the ones done in Cyanogen Mod. If theese mods are duplicated for a rom on the Evo I will be able to use my Evo where ever I go without the need of a carrier.
Hope that cleared everything up.
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I think there are a few threads around already talking about the EVO's lack of ability to connect to ad-hoc networks. I don't know of a fix as of yet though.
wait, what? you got the Evo to work on TMO? am I reading this wrong?
tyrnight said:
wait, what? you got the Evo to work on TMO? am I reading this wrong?
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I got the evo to receive calls and sms over wifi. If I can tether it to the G1 than yes, it would be on T-Mo.
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I got the evo to receive calls and sms over wifi. If I can tether it to the G1 than yes, it would be on T-Mo.
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problem is, in this case, if your already using wifi for your connection, you cant use it for tethering.. its already in use for another purpose(wifi).
Im still astounded by the TMO effect in this thread.. since this is a CDMA phone and you would need a GSM phone to talk to TMO. So since the cell radio isn't used your gonna be out of luck unless you tether via USB or BT.
perhaps everyone is reading this wrong, ot its just me.
His evo is NOT on the TMO cellular network. Its not possible.
His calls and sms are through wifi probably google voice or a SIP provider. Through his home network, NOT TMO.
tmo uses GSM and EVO (sprint) uses CDMA.
to OP ive not tried ad-hoc with my phone so im sorry i have nothing to report to ya. GL
To reduce the ammount of WTF T-Mobile responses and clarify what I am trying to do. Here is a quick overview.
I got my Evo at I/O, it came with a month of Sprint service and that month is almost up. I do not want to switch to Sprint nor do I want to stop using this great device so I have found a way to use the phone without a carrier.
What needs to be done first is making and recieving calls. The Google Voice app does not currently allow calls to be placed over wifi so I need a work around for this. The work arround is to tie my Google Voice number to my Gizmo5 account which will let me access Google Voice via SIP. I then use the app SIPDroid to access my Gizmo5 account and make calls from Google Voice over Wifi. Done.
Next is SMS. Google Voice for Android allows you to make and place SMS over Wifi. Done.
Lastly is data. The Evo has wifi. Done.
With all of this I can use the phone compleatly over a WiFi network. But now I want to make the phone mobile.
I have a G1 on T-Mobile's network. It is rooted and running a custom build which allows me to do nothing but use the phone as a WiFi hotspot for a good day on the battery. The app being used to tether is WiFi Tether for Root Users.
The problem is the G1's hotspot is Ad-Hoc and currently the Evo (Stock Android in general.) can not connect to Ad-Hoc networks without modifications such as the ones done in Cyanogen Mod. If theese mods are duplicated for a rom on the Evo I will be able to use my Evo where ever I go without the need of a carrier.
Hope that cleared everything up.
I don't know if you have a Nexus One but I just checked and the EVO can tether to the Nexus One's FroYo hotspot feature (over 3G).
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I think the reasoning behind the ROM for the EVO not being able to do this is because Sprint plans to charge for this service down the road and so you would get an app either from them or the market but it would only allow connection if you paid for the service on your plan. Much like how carriers plan to charge to let your phone be a wifi hotspot.
I may be wrong but that makes sense to me, if they can make money off a feature, they will...
this is quite clever. i would interested in seeing how you setup gizmo5, sipdroid, google voice, etc to do all calls over WiFi. i have a gizmo5 account and google voice.
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The problem is the G1's hotspot is Ad-Hoc and currently the Evo (Stock Android in general.) can not connect to Ad-Hoc networks without modifications such as the ones done in Cyanogen Mod.
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im thinking of it going in the other direction, there is a mod for the EVO hopefully soon to be integrated to the wifi tether app which lets the EVO wifi tether work in infrastructure mode, outside of ad-hoc mode.
Could the G1 use this app or something similar to broadcast outside of ad-hoc mode on infrastructure mode? more devices would be able to use the G1 also ... just an idea.
the ability for the EVO to connect to infrastructure networks instead of just ad-hoc networks seems reasonable. perhaps somebody familar with cyanogen's work could look at porting this function over to the EVO?
Doesn't canceling your Sprint trial involve you returning the EVO? The subsidized cost you got in the phone was for signing up for service. No service means you return the phone or buy it at MSRP.
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No.
The i/o phones were given out for free. Included was a free trial of unlimited data phone and sms until a certain date. June something. Your thinking of the 30-day money back guarantee, that you get if you bought your phone from sprint. Hope that helps.
I love my S6, but I can't believe Verizon doesn't let you talk and surf at the same time, like you could with the S5.
I have advanced calling on, which theoretically let's you do it, but if you are not on LTE, it won't work.
Really Verizon? I thought we were in 2015.
Wait so if you're in 3g we can't do voice and data? That sucks been doing it since my note 2 days
I have no problem doing both while connected to advanced calling. However, if advanced calling isn't available, I can't surf the internet. This isn't a Verizon thing, it's a Samsung deal. They didn't include the radio to allow for it. This may very well have sealed the deal for me to take it back and stick with the Note 4. Being in a rural area a lot, I need both no matter what network is currently available.
It's a CDMA carrier issue with these newer phones that only have a single antenna for cellular radio.
Droid Turbo, Moto X, Nexus 6, HTC m9, etc...
It would be the same on other CDMA carriers such as Sprint.
I first noticed it when I got a Droid Turbo, and it was really frustrating. You also notice it when using SignalCheck Pro, on my G3 you see a 1X and LTE connection active, but on the S6 you see either or depending on your connection.
You wouldn't think it would add much cost to the phone with the second antenna.
VoLTE has always required LTE to function. The giveaway is the freaking "LTE" in the name.
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VoLTE has always required LTE to function. The giveaway is the freaking "LTE" in the name.
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I'm fairly certain everyone in here knows this. The issue isn't with VoLTE, it's that they left a radio out that allows talking and surfing without VoLTE. Note 4 and LG G3 could do it before they received the update that made them VoLTE capable.
You're confusing simultaneous voice and data with VoLTE. OP sure didn't understand that LTE is required for VoLTE.
What has changed is that Verizon is starting to ONLY support simultaneous voice/data VIA VoLTE, in place of extra radios.
Unfortunately this is Verizon's trend. In theory it should improve battery life vs a two radio system. In theory...
They're pushing for this and honestly I think it's a bad choice, at least in the short term. Calls while using VoLTE on Verizon are 100% dependent on your LTE signal. So if it gets too weak or you have to switch to 3G, the call drops. It also can be unusable if the LTE signal is weak. Verizon's FAQ even says if you're in an area of weak LTE or spotty LTE, to disable VoLTE. AT&T and T-Mobile have a fallback so the call won't drop.
To be sure that I am understanding correctly, let me ask it in a dumb downed way.
When you are on 3g and make a call, you can NOT use internet simultaneously.
If you make a call while in LTE, you CAN use the internet while in the call.
This has been the case with VZ and LTE as far as I can remember. No LTE, no internet+call.
Is this situation different? Think I am just misreading and not understanding.
EDIT: And to be clear, I am talking about the beginnings of LTE. Like in the Thunderbolt days. The advanced calling feature was not around that I am aware of.
fire3element said:
To be sure that I am understanding correctly, let me ask it in a dumb downed way.
When you are on 3g and make a call, you can NOT use internet simultaneously.
If you make a call while in LTE, you CAN use the internet while in the call.
This has been the case with VZ and LTE as far as I can remember. No LTE, no internet+call.
Is this situation different? Think I am just misreading and not understanding.
EDIT: And to be clear, I am talking about the beginnings of LTE. Like in the Thunderbolt days. The advanced calling feature was not around that I am aware of.
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There are a number of techs involved with have both voice and data for CDMA phones/network like VZW. In the past, VZW LTE phones could connect Data on the 4G LTE and have voice connection over 3G/CDMA simultaneously but on the newer phones like the Turbo, Nexus 6, S6 this is no longer possible UNLESS you have VoLTE enabled and are in a 4G LTE location.
The Thunderbolt actually can have both 3G data and Voice simultaneously and one of the few phones which could do that but the battery quickly dries up
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Ah ok, makes sense. That is what I thought, just wanted to make sure.
Guess I will hold on longer to my Note 3 and S3(love it)for a while longer. The S3 is still a great phone in my opinion. Does what you need, and fairly well. Plus you pretty much can recover from any brick status.
Sad to see the way phones are going. Locked bootloaders, no root, forced crapware, no sd card, built in battery.
Next up will be DNA link to your device for "Security". That silly fingerprint reader is so yesteryear.
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WTF? Am I the only one who needs to use data while on a long (conference) call?
I spend most of my time in metro areas with LTE, but Verizon wants to alter my unlimited data plan to activate voLTE. Not happening.
My VZW LG G3 didn't have this issue. I'm no expert here, but there won't be a root or ROM that is going to help me with this problem, right? This is a hardware issue, correct?
Looks like my wife is getting a shiny new Samsung phone.
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WTF? Am I the only one who needs to use data while on a long (conference) call?
I spend most of my time in metro areas with LTE, but Verizon wants to alter my unlimited data plan to activate voLTE. Not happening.
My VZW LG G3 didn't have this issue. I'm no expert here, but there won't be a root or ROM that is going to help me with this problem, right? This is a hardware issue, correct?
Looks like my wife is getting a shiny new Samsung phone.
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Talk and data works fine on LTE.
You won't lose your unlimited plan to use VoLTE, I use it just fine.
The G3 was one of the last phones to use two radios simultaneously. A ROM won't fix it.
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With the original Edge I know you sacrificed an antenna for the screen so no surfing and voice. Are you all saying even the regular S6 only has 1 antenna?
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With the original Edge I know you sacrificed an antenna for the screen so no surfing and voice. Are you all saying even the regular S6 only has 1 antenna?
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Yes. If you don't have an LTE connection and don't have Advanced Calling enabled, you won't get simultaneous voice and data.
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With the original Edge I know you sacrificed an antenna for the screen so no surfing and voice. Are you all saying even the regular S6 only has 1 antenna?
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It's all recent Verizon phones. The Nexus 6, Droid Turbo, One M9, S6, etc. None can talk and surf at the same time without VoLTE.
Yeah I'm guessing we are headed towards total VOIP.
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Yeah I'm guessing we are headed towards total VOIP.
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That's what Verizon wants. It would be great if Verizon had a fallback if LTE was weak or drops... but as it is right now, it simply takes what Verizon was known for (call reliability) and throws it down the toilet. Ok, it's not that bad... but in the years we were with Verizon before VoLTE, I really don't think I ever dropped a call. I'm sure that's not true, but it was rare. Since VoLTE, it probably happens a few times a month, easy, maybe more . And since I got the S6 last Friday, I've had 4 total due to what appears to be a weaker LTE signal in general on the S6.
Im looking into the S6 and the research I've done has been inconclusive, so I'm here. I'd like to know if I can use 3g or lte during a phone call? Im currently on my s5, I do a lot of tethering and when I get a phone call it stops my data. I really need to maintain my data connection when I receive calls, so I'm considering going back to an s4 for that one feature alone. Can anyone who actually has an s6 tell me if they can use 3g or lte during a phone call? Thanks.
Depends on the carrier. I have Verizon, I can do both. Stock firmware. Although I do have advanced calling enabled, which is what makes the iPhone able to do it. I didn't check with it off. I'll see if I can turn it off and report back.
Edit. Cannot use voice and data without advanced calling enabled.
Go to settings and activate, then enable it.
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I have the cricket GS6 which is virtually the ATT variant and service and I can talkno the phone and use the internet at the sender time. Only thing is if you are on LTE the phone will go to 4G while on call.
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I'm sorry, I thought i said that I needed answers from users of the Sprint GS6. Thanks.
Asaik.... Sprint does not have that ability
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My S4 had that ability on sprint. But now my S6 can't
Sprint uses CDMA and from what I know they cant do data + calling unless the carrier supports it for the said phone.
Has less to do with what the carrier supports and more to do with whether the device has 2 antennae instead of just one. The s4 has 2 antennae, one of which comms with voice for calls and a separate one which comms with data, allowing you to use 3g or LTE during a call. Even phones as old as the HTC hero, OG evo, evolte, Samsung moment etc all had this capability due to the hardware. Now I want to know if the s6 is following the same "less for more" path that the s5 started by excluding hardware for their crazy high prices on the devices...
I've seen this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/cro...ad-progress-please-leave-im-updating-t2871269
And since we're all pretty sure due to FCC filings that the Moto hardware supports band 12, could anyone tell me itd be possible to open this great budget phone up to t mobiles expanding 700mhz coverage?
Even if you unlock the band, without VoLTE support you wouldn't be able to make calls or send/receive sms messages. This is why Motorola disabled it.
Is that really so important though? Data coverage is all I really need. If there's 2g or 3g fallback texts will still come in, and I think I've gotten texts on lte only mode on my galaxy s4 even on roms that don't support VoLTE or WiFi calling, so texts might still work. Calling can easily be done over Google hangouts as a data call anyway. The coverage is most important to power users, not making it compatible with calls
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I'll be driving to Seattle from Chicago next week and I could use all of the additional coverage I can get. I really don't care if I can't get traditional voice / text, hangouts etc are perfectly fine stop gaps. I'm going to buy a Moto G from Best Buy and try this but with no band 12 near me I can't know if it actually is working. If anyone who has coverage in their area wants to give it a shot, I think everyone would love to know if its possible.
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Is that really so important though? Data coverage is all I really need. If there's 2g or 3g fallback texts will still come in, and I think I've gotten texts on lte only mode on my galaxy s4 even on roms that don't support VoLTE or WiFi calling, so texts might still work. Calling can easily be done over Google hangouts as a data call anyway. The coverage is most important to power users, not making it compatible with calls
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If the radio supports band 12, then you can definitely unlock it. Give it a try.
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If the radio supports band 12, then you can definitely unlock it. Give it a try.
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I returned my phone, and that guide seems to be very device specific. Since no one has done it for the Moto G 3rd gen yet, I could easily brick my phone with the only fix as "flash the stock FTF file" which seems to be some special file for sony devices? I'd rather not get in over my head and ruin a brand new device.
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I found this http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=55475431&postcount=1
But it's for 1st gen
Just so you know.. most of the twin cities area you'd be driving through has band 12 with t-mobile (multiple sources on Google as well as personal experience working at MSP). Band 12 probably wont be deployed anytime soon in rural areas because T-mobile is only using it in urban areas to penetrate buildings with lower frequencies with less line-of-sight areas. What you'd be wanting to look for is T-Mobile refarming their old 2G (EDGE) towers to LTE. Regardless, even with 2G coverage you can still get calls/text/Google Maps to work.
I travel all of North America for work and I'm in a different state every week. I carry a T-Mobile phone as my primary and a Cricket phone (through AT&T) as a backup. I know most people don't have that luxury of carrying two carriers with them, so I keep up to date on this stuff as best I can. People have been getting really mis-informed with this whole T-Mobile Band 12 thing lately.
Another trivial fact.. Minneapolis metro area is one of the best covered metro locations in North America for T-Mobile. Because they bought out VoiceStream, that was one of their top markets. I remember having them when I lived up there years ago!
Anyway, have a safe trip! I'm jealous you're heading to Seattle. Used to live out there as well and I woul do anything to move back! I just got married out there last December.
Hi everybody
Someone check the link shared by lockheed_man in a Moto G (3rd generation)?
Thanks in advance
Anyone with an unlocked band 12?
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Is that really so important though? Data coverage is all I really need. If there's 2g or 3g fallback texts will still come in, and I think I've gotten texts on lte only mode on my galaxy s4 even on roms that don't support VoLTE or WiFi calling, so texts might still work. Calling can easily be done over Google hangouts as a data call anyway. The coverage is most important to power users, not making it compatible with calls
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Regular sms needs a voice signal. If you got a text with only data it was an mms.
So I moved to a new house which has basically no LTE and lower cellular coverage. My old house was a highrise with a literal t-mobile tower on the top, so I never even considered using wifi calling as my LTE coverage was perfect.
So here I am, with my Note 5, thinking I can rely on wifi calling in my new house. The house has excellent wifi coverage that can still achieve decent speeds even on the exterior. I use an Asus AC router that I've completely opened up to the world while troubleshooting the problem. Sitting in my living room (where my most recent call was dropped), I'm pulling down 74mbps and uploading 13mbps according to the speedtest app on the note 5.
My phone shows that it's connected to wifi and that Wifi calling is enabled. I've also changed it to "Wifi calling preferred" so it doesn't even attempt to use the limited cellular network that I can get in some rooms occasionally (depending on air density).
However, I basically miss all inbound calls, outbound calls only occasionally connect, and when I do have a successful call, it drops in and out as though I'm on an actual spotty cellular network.
I've tried Arter, SkyHigh and stock rooted kernels, all with the same results. I'm basically at my wit's end and getting ready to abandoned t-mobile. I read that exynos does not handle these handoffs and transitions as well as qualcom SOCs, but I'm reluctant to give up my great note 5 for a ****ty LG just to test this theory.
Can anyone provide some guidance or advice on how I can deal with this? I'm on the original jump plan + unlimited data and I really don't want to abandon t-mobile, but working voice is essential.
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So I moved to a new house which has basically no LTE and lower cellular coverage. My old house was a highrise with a literal t-mobile tower on the top, so I never even considered using wifi calling as my LTE coverage was perfect.
So here I am, with my Note 5, thinking I can rely on wifi calling in my new house. The house has excellent wifi coverage that can still achieve decent speeds even on the exterior. I use an Asus AC router that I've completely opened up to the world while troubleshooting the problem. Sitting in my living room (where my most recent call was dropped), I'm pulling down 74mbps and uploading 13mbps according to the speedtest app on the note 5.
My phone shows that it's connected to wifi and that Wifi calling is enabled. I've also changed it to "Wifi calling preferred" so it doesn't even attempt to use the limited cellular network that I can get in some rooms occasionally (depending on air density).
However, I basically miss all inbound calls, outbound calls only occasionally connect, and when I do have a successful call, it drops in and out as though I'm on an actual spotty cellular network.
I've tried Arter, SkyHigh and stock rooted kernels, all with the same results. I'm basically at my wit's end and getting ready to abandoned t-mobile. I read that exynos does not handle these handoffs and transitions as well as qualcom SOCs, but I'm reluctant to give up my great note 5 for a ****ty LG just to test this theory.
Can anyone provide some guidance or advice on how I can deal with this? I'm on the original jump plan + unlimited data and I really don't want to abandon t-mobile, but working voice is essential.
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Not sure of a solution but I can tell you that I use Wifi calling all the time on the Note 5 and do not experience any of these issues.
We would need to know more details to help further.
Are you stock? If not, which rom?
When was the last time you wiped your phone?
Anyone else have Tmob in the home?
I understand your frustration but I dont think its Tmobile. Chances are its something with your internet connection or a software issue of the phone.
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Not sure of a solution but I can tell you that I use Wifi calling all the time on the Note 5 and do not experience any of these issues.
We would need to know more details to help further.
Are you stock? If not, which rom?
When was the last time you wiped your phone?
Anyone else have Tmob in the home?
I understand your frustration but I dont think its Tmobile. Chances are its something with your internet connection or a software issue of the phone.
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Thanks for the reply! Not stock, using Darthstalker V11 rom. Only person living here, but I do have a verizon iphone for work. I just moved here, and prior to moving, I had an enterprise level firewall in place, which meant I had to open up the right ports to allow for wifi calling. Since I've moved, I haven't even put it in place, so I'm just using an Asus router as a router & AP with no firewall functionality.
Phone was last wiped a couple of months ago when installing the latest version of Darthstalker. With each kernel I've tried, I've wiped the cache multiple times post-install.
apols said:
Thanks for the reply! Not stock, using Darthstalker V11 rom. Only person living here, but I do have a verizon iphone for work. I just moved here, and prior to moving, I had an enterprise level firewall in place, which meant I had to open up the right ports to allow for wifi calling. Since I've moved, I haven't even put it in place, so I'm just using an Asus router as a router & AP with no firewall functionality.
Phone was last wiped a couple of months ago when installing the latest version of Darthstalker. With each kernel I've tried, I've wiped the cache multiple times post-install.
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Was the Wifi calling working before you moved?
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Was the Wifi calling working before you moved?
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I never had to actually rely on it, so I'm not sure. I used it here and there when visiting low-coverage areas, but now it's basically my only option. For reference, I moved from the DC area to a smaller town in Central VA that only recently received t-mobile LTE. That being said... in certain areas of my house I get enough t-mobile LTE to pull down 30Mbps, but the upload portion is incredibly asymmetric and only pushes about .1 mbps up... Given that I get decent LTE in some places in the house, but it drops off as soon as I turn the corner, I've configured wifi calling to prefer wifi over cellular, which leads to another odd thing....the phone basically needs to be rebooted once leaving a wifi calling network, as it'll never switch the LTE radio back unless I reboot. It'll just stay on 3g/edge otherwise.
As for my wifi coverage, I get great speeds when testing basically anywhere in the house, both upload and download. However, when I'm on a call that is clearly being routed through wifi, it'll start pinging me and warning that the call may be dropped in place where I'm still getting excellent wifi coverage.