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Google Android on Kaiser?

I have not returned kaiser in the hope of being able to install Google's Android OS on kaiser. Hardware is great, but software/drivers suck.
It should be fairly easy because its open source and the first phone that HTC is bringing out is supposed to have the same processor.
Your thoughts?

I'm hoping that becomes a reality. Open source development would open up the floodgates! Imagine TouchFLO with an OpenGL 3D environment.... can't wait to see what happens here.

jerich007 said:
I'm hoping that becomes a reality. Open source development would open up the floodgates! Imagine TouchFLO with an OpenGL 3D environment.... can't wait to see what happens here.
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You don't know much about OpenGL and linux do you
Next you'll be wanting to run Beryl on a pocket pc

Subliminal Aura said:
You don't know much about OpenGL and linux do you
Next you'll be wanting to run Beryl on a pocket pc
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hahahahah, nice...or better yet, how about we get the kaiser to run the iPhone OS? after that maybe Santa Claus will show up...

Doug2873 said:
hahahahah, nice...or better yet, how about we get the kaiser to run the iPhone OS? after that maybe Santa Claus will show up...
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Well Leopard does run on my PC now *Cough*

If Android is open source, I don't see why someone with compiler knowledge couldn't make it run on any ARM based handheld...

Because booting an OS kernel requires extensive access to hardware specifications, wich is not what Androïd is about at all.

The Android SDK is now available. They have also announced that they're giving away $10 million to developers that build apps for the platform. More info here:
http://www.openhandsetalliance.com/developers.html
There's also a video of Android up on YouTube now:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FJHYqE0RDg
For an early prototype this looks amazing.

now that the SDK is out, I will probably end up eating my own words in the next few months, assuming people on here get the appropriate hardware drivers for the kaiser from HTC.

Terrific
This Andoid is a very killer OS, a lot better than the crappy WM-X, Please HTC port it to Kaiser, if not, we can create a community for build a distribution based on android for the Kaiser.
Regards,
Taguapire

I would too like to see this new Android OS be brought to the Kaiser. If I understand correctly, they are providing all assets to the public with the SDK.

Yes your right
Subliminal Aura said:
You don't know much about OpenGL and linux do you
Next you'll be wanting to run Beryl on a pocket pc
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I would love to have beryl on pocket pc. I've been waiting for years since I first saw beryl on youtube. The closest thing we have is the HTC Cube. Can't wait .

Theres talk of this all over xda-developers.
One guy is calling people to work on it here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=344076&highlight=android
And here's another thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=343730&highlight=android
I sure would like to see this happen. Since HTC is a partner in the open handset alliance I could see them releasing drivers for it. ... maybe...

Problem is - OS source or not, the hardware specs for many of the ICs in the Kaiser (esp. the Qualcomm MSM) are not publically available, which means that it isn't possible to write a driver for them.
This is why, for example, the Linux ports to previous HTC devices are (relatively) crippled - drivers for parts of the hardware can't be written because the hardware specs are not available.

Ah. That makes a lot of sense. Thanks for shedding some light on this issue, Entropy512.

cant see why you can't just take the msm7200 chipset specs off of the qualcomm site and build something. I mean it has generic arm processors and the other information should be able to gleaned from the windows app itself(radios,etc..)

Subliminal Aura said:
You don't know much about OpenGL and linux do you
Next you'll be wanting to run Beryl on a pocket pc
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Nope Compiz....... Hehe

In fact the radio processor (ARM9) already runs a linux like rtos: L4 micro kernel and Iguana embedded OS. See here and here.

I think the chances might be relatively good:
1. HTC has announced they are building android based phones.
2. For the next year or so, chances are that available phone hardware is gonna be pretty much the same as what is available today (give or take).
So it follows that there are good chances that HTC will do most of the work for us. They introduce a new P4551 running Android, you guys do your ROM ripping magic, and take all the various drivers and introduce it into a generic Android ROM. Voila! Android on the Kaiser.
That said, who says Android hardware support on HTC devices is going to be any better than hardware support for WM6? HTC has already proved you can release a phone for a mature platform, with plenty of history, using almost no hardware acceleration for anything. Who says Android phones from HTC will be any better in that respect?

Cool OS
This is a very cool OS. I'm sure some of our great coders around XDA DEVELOPERS can come up with all kinds of ways to use this on many different phones. If they get the money more power to them. They deserve it. At least in my nubee opinion!

Ubuntu Mobile Internet Device (MID) Edition????

There is a new ver of Ubuntu http://www.ubuntu.com/products/mobile. Could we possibly turn this into a workable ver for the G1?

hmmm, interesting
it looks nice, the g1 seems to fit the vauge specs they listed for MIDs (thats a new one for me wtf?)
hmm, OS companies fighting over market share on the G1.... IMAGINE
bhang

I hope we can do it.

I think that is geared more at netbook-esque products.

that would be an interesting project to get that running off the sd card in the same manor that people are running debian and connecting to a x windows session via vnc.

The new release (Jaunty) should work with some tweaking - there is a build for ARM processors.

Nickedynick said:
The new release (Jaunty) should work with some tweaking - there is a build for ARM processors.
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ARM processor is one thing, but will you be able to make a call from within Ubuntu?

Well, it doesnt really matter right now anyways; it's not even out with a stable ARM version yet.

bornmw said:
ARM processor is one thing, but will you be able to make a call from within Ubuntu?
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Why would that matter? You aren't going to make a call within Debian either, remember you'd be running Ubuntu on top of Android and tunneling into the GUI with VNC, it's not booting into Ubuntu or anything else. It's more virtualization than it is replacement.
If you get a call, it'll just interrupt your VNC session to let you answer it.

multiboot?
it would be great to have multiboot then. I've seen videos, of Iphone having multiboot, maybe it would be possible to have it on Gphone too?
it would be great to boot from MUbuntu. and, as Android is based on linux, maybe it would be possible to copy some of it's setting to make things easier?

carmelos said:
it would be great to have multiboot then. I've seen videos, of Iphone having multiboot, maybe it would be possible to have it on Gphone too?
it would be great to boot from MUbuntu. and, as Android is based on linux, maybe it would be possible to copy some of it's setting to make things easier?
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It is possible to have this on a MID as I have seen it done (and held it in my hand) in a group that I work with at my job. We are currently working on putting Ubuntu as the standalone OS on MID's that match the specs listed. There are still a lot of "kinks" to work out around this, but it IS possible to get it going

ubuntu MID edition is geared towards ARMv7 devices, while the G1 is ARMv6. =(

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ubuntu MID edition is geared towards ARMv7 devices, while the G1 is ARMv6. =(
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darn, i would have loved to multi-boot into this... looks awesome!
Hopefully there might be some chance of doing it??? lol

the phone stuff could happen
Who's to say that enough is known about the phone side of the dream to do it but if that part is "open source" or not, that phrase is getting thrown around a lot these days, it seems this and things like the nokia n800/810 are only open to things that don't matter much (gui, network,etc) while things like the phone side or the displays multi touch abilities.
Which sucks and looks like it could do exactly what htc/android/tmob wants, it willl keep us from complete OS replacements but who knows with enough time things can be reversed, so I can still hope.
Bhang

[Q] WP7 on iPhone 4?

Is there any possibility of dual-booting IOS and and WP7 on an iPhone 4? I'm really interested in playing the Xbox Live games on my iPhone. So that's my main goal. If there is another way to do this, I would be interested in the info. Thanks!

Most likely not. Android can be ported to the iPhone because it is open source whereas windows phone 7 os is very much closed source.
Also, windows phone has special hardware requirements and, if im not mistaken, the Iphone 4 does NOT use the same qualcomm chipset as windows phone.
You would also have issues with your hi-res screen becasue windows phone only supports WVGA at the moment.
So it is probably not possible,
Sorry.

Without any source it won't be possible at all. That's why people have been successful in porting Android to the iPhone series.

Thanks. I figured that there was probably a reason why it hadn't been done yet. I appreciate the info!

Why dont ya just get a windows phone?
Ported OS to another phone will never work as smoothly as a real device dedicated for the job.
If you seen android running on the iPhone it was never really that usable. Even when i had the HD2 Android was still buggy and laggy.

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There is OS7, but it is a visual port only and still works just like iOS under the hood. I used it for a while on my iPhone 4.

Windows Phone 7 Rom on Android Tablet

Tried to search for this but couldnt find anything is it possible to get a mango ROM working on an android tablet?
There are loads of 7" Android tablets out there for under £60 not the biggest fan of android but would like a cheap tablet for quick browsing of web and showing photos to friends etc.
Would be cool if could get a mango ROM flashed onto one of those 7" tabs

That's a good question. I'd also be interested if it were possible to drop Mango onto a tablet that started out life as an Android. It'd have to be a 7" screen, and it'd have to have a capacitive screen

jasongw said:
That's a good question. I'd also be interested if it were possible to drop Mango onto a tablet that started out life as an Android. It'd have to be a 7" screen, and it'd have to have a capacitive screen
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Why does it have to be 7"? Resolution?

mcorrie1121 said:
Why does it have to be 7"? Resolution?
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I think we're pretty much locked to 800x480 resolution, which I suspect would look horrible on a 10" tablet

Yea but im sure if it possible to port people will figure out a way around that like a regist edit or something. Actully maybe on a bigger screen more tiles would be visible instead of only 8 tiles or 6 it would be like 12 or 14

That is an interesting question. I was wondering the same thing, which is how I found this thread...

First of all, it would have to be a tablet with a WP7-compatible CPU. Unlike most x86 chips used in PCs, different ARM chips may have incompatible kernel-mode interfaces, so the core of every OS must be built for that chip. Linux (and therefore Android) can be built to run on pretty much any ARM chip. In theory, the same is true of Windows CE (the kernel that WP7 is built on), but without kernel sources (and no, the CE6 and CE7 sources available from MS aren't quite the same) we can't build custom kernels like that.
Second, and much harder, would be finding the drivers for the hardware. Every single WP7 device comes with a bunch of OEM code, the "firmware", that interfaces the kernel to the hardware. This is different from device to device (thus why, if you do something like flash a Samsung Omnia 7 ROM to a Samsung Focus, or even a Focus r3 ROM to a Focus r4, the phone won't work correctly afterward). Android has something similar, but again it has two benefits: the kernel is open-source, and there are Linux drivers for almost every piece of computing hardware (although not always very good ones). For WP7, porting to a new device is very hard because of this. The HD2 worked because
A) it originally ran a CE-based OS (an older one, but still CE based)
B) it's very similar in hardware to the HD7 (not enough to run HD7 ROMs, but enough to pull some drivers from HD7 ROMs)
C) an early firmware for the WP7 kernel was developed for it and leaked.
None of those things are going to be true for the typical random Android tablet.

GoodDayToDie said:
First of all, it would have to be a tablet with a WP7-compatible CPU. Unlike most x86 chips used in PCs, different ARM chips may have incompatible kernel-mode interfaces, so the core of every OS must be built for that chip. Linux (and therefore Android) can be built to run on pretty much any ARM chip. In theory, the same is true of Windows CE (the kernel that WP7 is built on), but without kernel sources (and no, the CE6 and CE7 sources available from MS aren't quite the same) we can't build custom kernels like that.
Second, and much harder, would be finding the drivers for the hardware. Every single WP7 device comes with a bunch of OEM code, the "firmware", that interfaces the kernel to the hardware. This is different from device to device (thus why, if you do something like flash a Samsung Omnia 7 ROM to a Samsung Focus, or even a Focus r3 ROM to a Focus r4, the phone won't work correctly afterward). Android has something similar, but again it has two benefits: the kernel is open-source, and there are Linux drivers for almost every piece of computing hardware (although not always very good ones). For WP7, porting to a new device is very hard because of this. The HD2 worked because
A) it originally ran a CE-based OS (an older one, but still CE based)
B) it's very similar in hardware to the HD7 (not enough to run HD7 ROMs, but enough to pull some drivers from HD7 ROMs)
C) an early firmware for the WP7 kernel was developed for it and leaked.
None of those things are going to be true for the typical random Android tablet.
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So, long story short, probably not gonna happen. Gotcha. At least I know some of the work that is takes, for I am sure that it will take much more work.
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yea your not gonna get arm wp7 on an android tablet , however there are many simulations of wp7 in android tablets , so if you want wp7 on an android yes thats the way to do it , but why?

webOS on sapphire

Is there a way to get a webOS ROM and G1 or HTC Magic? I believe the webOS SDK (https://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&layout=page&id=1788) is opensource like Android is.

Android is open sourced, but drivers for network connections aren't... There is no way to port web os for android devices... (if i'm not mistaken)

sickleman said:
Android is open sourced, but drivers for network connections aren't... There is no way to port web os for android devices... (if i'm not mistaken)
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They are both Linux based so why not pull the wireless from android and port it to webOS?

Drivers belong to f.e. HTC/Motorola, so there is no way to pull them from OS in usable (uncompiled) version. I think if it could be possible, there would be a lot of linux based ROMs first (like for some siemens old devices)...
It's a kind of defense from ideas like yours...

This is what I said to someone who asked this Q, but about WP7...
"Porting it to Android phones is illegal, the only exception is porting WP7 to other WinMo phones only....This is the same reason why WebOS can't be ported to other phones, you will get a C&D from Microsoft or worse if you attempt to have the OS on non-Windows phones. WP7, WinMo, WebOS, and iOS are all closed-sourced, unlike android you can't have those OSes on any device."
Now WebOS has some things that are open, but it's not fully open like Android. HP wouldn't allow such a thing, if you've try porting WinMo/WP7 , or another closed OS, you'll be told to quit it. The SDK isn't there for people to port it to other phones, but to develop apps, and other things for the pre line and other Webos native devices....And WebOS would be to slow on the 1st Gen Android phones...It was slow on the Pre 1, so it'll be slower on a 528MHz too. It's finally good on the 2nd Gen snapdragon, but look how big the Cpu Gen gap is...

sickleman said:
Drivers belong to f.e. HTC/Motorola, so there is no way to pull them from OS in usable (uncompiled) version. I think if it could be possible, there would be a lot of linux based ROMs first (like for some siemens old devices)...
It's a kind of defense from ideas like yours...
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Can a CM wireless module be edited to work with webOS? Like a webOS and CM merged rom for G1 and HTC Magic. Like some of the gingerbread roms for sapphire.

Ace42 said:
This is what I said to someone who asked this Q, but about WP7...
"Porting it to Android phones is illegal, the only exception is porting WP7 to other WinMo phones only....This is the same reason why WebOS can't be ported to other phones, you will get a C&D from Microsoft or worse if you attempt to have the OS on non-Windows phones. WP7, WinMo, WebOS, and iOS are all closed-sourced, unlike android you can't have those OSes on any device."
Now WebOS has some things that are open, but it's not fully open like Android. HP wouldn't allow such a thing, if you've try porting WinMo/WP7 , or another closed OS, you'll be told to quit it. The SDK isn't there for people to port it to other phones, but to develop apps, and other things for the pre line and other Webos native devices....And WebOS would be to slow on the 1st Gen Android phones...It was slow on the Pre 1, so it'll be slower on a 528MHz too. It's finally good on the 2nd Gen snapdragon, but look how big the Cpu Gen gap is...
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WP7 is closed sourced that is the big deference.

chris122380 said:
Can a CM wireless module be edited to work with webOS? Like a webOS and CM merged rom for G1 and HTC Magic. Like some of the gingerbread roms for sapphire.
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I don't think so... There was new type of java developed for Android (dalvik-java). I don't know how the WebOS is written, but it's not the same programming language for sure. Crossprogramming/crosscompiling is like copy polish text to english homework. Trust me, it won't work at all.
Dokładnie jak teraz, nie sądzę, żebyś cokolwiek z tego co tutaj piszę zrozumiał, ale i tak pozdrawiam Ciebie, jak również innych polaków korzystających z XDA.
But there is one possibility to run WebOS on our devices! You have to write everything on your own. If you want write new drivers for network/gps/camera/etc modules you have to know how they are communicating with each others, and have a lot time and skills and informations (like datasheets for all microcontrollers in device) for writing all starting from nothing...
(There are problems in porting Honeycomb for other than originally supported devices... If it is so hard, about WebOS i think you can forget...)
Ofcourse everything is possible (like MacOSx on f.e. AMD or Atom based processors), but not everything is profitable. There have to be some issues causing HP abandon WebOS (and making it worst from other OSs) (I'm speculating, I don't know how WebOS is working and how is to work on WebOS..).

chris122380 said:
WP7 is closed sourced that is the big deference.
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I know what I'm talking about...WebOS is closed sourced...You can't port it to non-palm/HP devices at all...It's not legal...
http://forums.precentral.net/webos-discussion/292920-we-need-team-port-webos-android-devices.html
If you don't believe goto that thread, or make a new one asking the question, the pal devs will tell you it can't be done.

So there is no way to get Android to look like webOS.

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So there is no way to get Android to look like webOS.
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There are themes that were made very very long ago, doubt you'll find them again. However the "wave launcher" from WebOS is on Android, on the market.
http://androidcommunity.com/android-team-forced-to-pull-palm-pre-theme-20090814/

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There are themes that were made very very long ago, doubt you'll find them again. However the "wave launcher" from WebOS is on Android, on the market.
http://androidcommunity.com/android-team-forced-to-pull-palm-pre-theme-20090814/
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Have been looking for the theme as well http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1251829
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Will this now be possible now that HP has open sourced WebOS?
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Since WebOS is open source this is very "do-able", hell they ported Android to the iPhone, why not WebOS to an Android Device?