I have not returned kaiser in the hope of being able to install Google's Android OS on kaiser. Hardware is great, but software/drivers suck.
It should be fairly easy because its open source and the first phone that HTC is bringing out is supposed to have the same processor.
Your thoughts?
I'm hoping that becomes a reality. Open source development would open up the floodgates! Imagine TouchFLO with an OpenGL 3D environment.... can't wait to see what happens here.
jerich007 said:
I'm hoping that becomes a reality. Open source development would open up the floodgates! Imagine TouchFLO with an OpenGL 3D environment.... can't wait to see what happens here.
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You don't know much about OpenGL and linux do you
Next you'll be wanting to run Beryl on a pocket pc
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You don't know much about OpenGL and linux do you
Next you'll be wanting to run Beryl on a pocket pc
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hahahahah, nice...or better yet, how about we get the kaiser to run the iPhone OS? after that maybe Santa Claus will show up...
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hahahahah, nice...or better yet, how about we get the kaiser to run the iPhone OS? after that maybe Santa Claus will show up...
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Well Leopard does run on my PC now *Cough*
If Android is open source, I don't see why someone with compiler knowledge couldn't make it run on any ARM based handheld...
Because booting an OS kernel requires extensive access to hardware specifications, wich is not what Androïd is about at all.
The Android SDK is now available. They have also announced that they're giving away $10 million to developers that build apps for the platform. More info here:
http://www.openhandsetalliance.com/developers.html
There's also a video of Android up on YouTube now:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FJHYqE0RDg
For an early prototype this looks amazing.
now that the SDK is out, I will probably end up eating my own words in the next few months, assuming people on here get the appropriate hardware drivers for the kaiser from HTC.
Terrific
This Andoid is a very killer OS, a lot better than the crappy WM-X, Please HTC port it to Kaiser, if not, we can create a community for build a distribution based on android for the Kaiser.
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Taguapire
I would too like to see this new Android OS be brought to the Kaiser. If I understand correctly, they are providing all assets to the public with the SDK.
Yes your right
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Next you'll be wanting to run Beryl on a pocket pc
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I would love to have beryl on pocket pc. I've been waiting for years since I first saw beryl on youtube. The closest thing we have is the HTC Cube. Can't wait .
Theres talk of this all over xda-developers.
One guy is calling people to work on it here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=344076&highlight=android
And here's another thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=343730&highlight=android
I sure would like to see this happen. Since HTC is a partner in the open handset alliance I could see them releasing drivers for it. ... maybe...
Problem is - OS source or not, the hardware specs for many of the ICs in the Kaiser (esp. the Qualcomm MSM) are not publically available, which means that it isn't possible to write a driver for them.
This is why, for example, the Linux ports to previous HTC devices are (relatively) crippled - drivers for parts of the hardware can't be written because the hardware specs are not available.
Ah. That makes a lot of sense. Thanks for shedding some light on this issue, Entropy512.
cant see why you can't just take the msm7200 chipset specs off of the qualcomm site and build something. I mean it has generic arm processors and the other information should be able to gleaned from the windows app itself(radios,etc..)
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Nope Compiz....... Hehe
In fact the radio processor (ARM9) already runs a linux like rtos: L4 micro kernel and Iguana embedded OS. See here and here.
I think the chances might be relatively good:
1. HTC has announced they are building android based phones.
2. For the next year or so, chances are that available phone hardware is gonna be pretty much the same as what is available today (give or take).
So it follows that there are good chances that HTC will do most of the work for us. They introduce a new P4551 running Android, you guys do your ROM ripping magic, and take all the various drivers and introduce it into a generic Android ROM. Voila! Android on the Kaiser.
That said, who says Android hardware support on HTC devices is going to be any better than hardware support for WM6? HTC has already proved you can release a phone for a mature platform, with plenty of history, using almost no hardware acceleration for anything. Who says Android phones from HTC will be any better in that respect?
Cool OS
This is a very cool OS. I'm sure some of our great coders around XDA DEVELOPERS can come up with all kinds of ways to use this on many different phones. If they get the money more power to them. They deserve it. At least in my nubee opinion!
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link: http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/09/android-hacked-to-run-on-real-hardware/
Android has been hacked to run on actual hardware (rather than the released emulator).
This is excelent news! Now we just hope that somehow it's also ported to our beloved Pocket Phones and the world will be happy again
Here is the how-to for Sharp Sl-C760:
http://euedge.com/blog/2007/12/06/google-android-runs-on-sharp-zaurus-sl-c760/
Great news!! But what do you mean by hacked?
Didnt they release the SDK for developers to port the OS to real hardware devices?
Or just for software development?
Software development. But I am pretty Google knows it can and eventually be ported to actual devices. Its only better for them, the ported devices never run flawlessly as their Android phone. We're their free advertisement.
There is a new ver of Ubuntu http://www.ubuntu.com/products/mobile. Could we possibly turn this into a workable ver for the G1?
hmmm, interesting
it looks nice, the g1 seems to fit the vauge specs they listed for MIDs (thats a new one for me wtf?)
hmm, OS companies fighting over market share on the G1.... IMAGINE
bhang
I hope we can do it.
I think that is geared more at netbook-esque products.
that would be an interesting project to get that running off the sd card in the same manor that people are running debian and connecting to a x windows session via vnc.
The new release (Jaunty) should work with some tweaking - there is a build for ARM processors.
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The new release (Jaunty) should work with some tweaking - there is a build for ARM processors.
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ARM processor is one thing, but will you be able to make a call from within Ubuntu?
Well, it doesnt really matter right now anyways; it's not even out with a stable ARM version yet.
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ARM processor is one thing, but will you be able to make a call from within Ubuntu?
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Why would that matter? You aren't going to make a call within Debian either, remember you'd be running Ubuntu on top of Android and tunneling into the GUI with VNC, it's not booting into Ubuntu or anything else. It's more virtualization than it is replacement.
If you get a call, it'll just interrupt your VNC session to let you answer it.
multiboot?
it would be great to have multiboot then. I've seen videos, of Iphone having multiboot, maybe it would be possible to have it on Gphone too?
it would be great to boot from MUbuntu. and, as Android is based on linux, maybe it would be possible to copy some of it's setting to make things easier?
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it would be great to have multiboot then. I've seen videos, of Iphone having multiboot, maybe it would be possible to have it on Gphone too?
it would be great to boot from MUbuntu. and, as Android is based on linux, maybe it would be possible to copy some of it's setting to make things easier?
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It is possible to have this on a MID as I have seen it done (and held it in my hand) in a group that I work with at my job. We are currently working on putting Ubuntu as the standalone OS on MID's that match the specs listed. There are still a lot of "kinks" to work out around this, but it IS possible to get it going
ubuntu MID edition is geared towards ARMv7 devices, while the G1 is ARMv6. =(
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ubuntu MID edition is geared towards ARMv7 devices, while the G1 is ARMv6. =(
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darn, i would have loved to multi-boot into this... looks awesome!
Hopefully there might be some chance of doing it??? lol
the phone stuff could happen
Who's to say that enough is known about the phone side of the dream to do it but if that part is "open source" or not, that phrase is getting thrown around a lot these days, it seems this and things like the nokia n800/810 are only open to things that don't matter much (gui, network,etc) while things like the phone side or the displays multi touch abilities.
Which sucks and looks like it could do exactly what htc/android/tmob wants, it willl keep us from complete OS replacements but who knows with enough time things can be reversed, so I can still hope.
Bhang
just wondering, if people are trying to work out android into HD2, then a webOS inside HD2 is even better
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if htc buys palm as the rumors say than maybe we'll have a chance to see this...
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if htc buys palm as the rumors say than maybe we'll have a chance to see this...
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Could prove to be very interesting if the rumors come true.
i got hd2, palm pre and nexus one at the moment..hd2 is the best hardware wise, palm is the best OS wise...n1 stand in the middle...
i don't even bother thinking about windows 7... webOS is way better than wm 6.5.5 (of which the platform is much older)
android comes surprisingly good though..
if htc does buy palm then we surely will get something like hd2 with palm OS..
i can use my hd2 solely because of custom roms...using standard rom is out of question
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i got hd2, palm pre and nexus one at the moment..hd2 is the best hardware wise, palm is the best OS wise...n1 stand in the middle...
i don't even bother thinking about windows 7... webOS is way better than wm 6.5.5 (of which the platform is much older)
android comes surprisingly good though..
if htc does buy palm then we surely will get something like hd2 with palm OS..
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my first choice was the palm pre but i got tired of waiting for it. htc hero was the best android at that time - good alternative but outdated. nokia's n900 was also an interesting alternative but i decided to go with the hd2.
now, after 5 month with it i think it was the best decision i could have made. it's far from perfect but thanks to this community it's getting better and better and i enjoy every minute of this experience.
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i can use my hd2 solely because of custom roms...using standard rom is out of question
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i couldn't agree more
yeah
need something like pop up sms, like chompsms in android..is there any in hd2?
It would be a great experience if we can try WebOS.
However WebOS is just a Linux like Android and because it is HTML-based the coding is also very limited and we can't have all the powerful applications that can be made or found on Windows.
Beside it's better to code in the state of the art C# than in old HTML.
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It would be a great experience if we can try WebOS.
However WebOS is just a Linux like Android and because it is HTML-based the coding is also very limited and we can't have all the powerful applications that can be made or found on Windows.
Beside it's better to code in the state of the art C# than in old HTML.
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Say what? I dont understand that statement. Linux is build on C, surely you are mistaken by saing android is coded in HTML...
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Say what? I dont understand that statement. Linux is build on C, surely you are mistaken by saing android is coded in HTML...
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I didn't said that Android is coded in HTML.
I am a Coder snipey and this is not me who you is mistaken
I know what .NET is capable of and what HTML is capable of:
WebOS is HTML based and if you know how to code in HTML or Javascript then coding applications for WebOS is really easy because it is simple.But with this simplicity you will not be able to make powerful applications.
.NET C# is Microsoft's latest language and heavily supported it is also very different from C in matter of syntax and much more powerful because of the graphic.
With this new language(not that new though) you can write very complex code that can give powerful applications.
This is what I was stating.
WebOS is not just html - it is mainly based on JAVASCRIPT - when you say HTML it sounds outdated, but javascript and xml (AJAX) is the new thing when it comes to merging the line between web apps and desktop apps.
Plus Linux is C based. So if Palm unlock the OS it could run native linux apps.
Also, check out the latest games on the palm app store, like Need for speed, those are not HTML based.
Palm has cracked the mobile multitasking issue with a very intuitive paradigm, I only wish the hardware was better (e.g. larger screen, better graphics processor).
Drop WebOS on HD2 hardware and I believe they will finally topple the iPhone's dominance of the mobile market.
you're both a little right.
WebOS is primarily HTML, CSS, and Javascript. However, the recently released PDK (Plug-In Developers Kit) also allows coding portions of WebOS apps in C/C++. The architecture is similar to Web Browser Plugins (since most of WebOS is basically a web browser in nature anyway...)
It's right Here: Palm PDK Overview
Is there a way to get a webOS ROM and G1 or HTC Magic? I believe the webOS SDK (https://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&layout=page&id=1788) is opensource like Android is.
Android is open sourced, but drivers for network connections aren't... There is no way to port web os for android devices... (if i'm not mistaken)
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Android is open sourced, but drivers for network connections aren't... There is no way to port web os for android devices... (if i'm not mistaken)
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They are both Linux based so why not pull the wireless from android and port it to webOS?
Drivers belong to f.e. HTC/Motorola, so there is no way to pull them from OS in usable (uncompiled) version. I think if it could be possible, there would be a lot of linux based ROMs first (like for some siemens old devices)...
It's a kind of defense from ideas like yours...
This is what I said to someone who asked this Q, but about WP7...
"Porting it to Android phones is illegal, the only exception is porting WP7 to other WinMo phones only....This is the same reason why WebOS can't be ported to other phones, you will get a C&D from Microsoft or worse if you attempt to have the OS on non-Windows phones. WP7, WinMo, WebOS, and iOS are all closed-sourced, unlike android you can't have those OSes on any device."
Now WebOS has some things that are open, but it's not fully open like Android. HP wouldn't allow such a thing, if you've try porting WinMo/WP7 , or another closed OS, you'll be told to quit it. The SDK isn't there for people to port it to other phones, but to develop apps, and other things for the pre line and other Webos native devices....And WebOS would be to slow on the 1st Gen Android phones...It was slow on the Pre 1, so it'll be slower on a 528MHz too. It's finally good on the 2nd Gen snapdragon, but look how big the Cpu Gen gap is...
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Drivers belong to f.e. HTC/Motorola, so there is no way to pull them from OS in usable (uncompiled) version. I think if it could be possible, there would be a lot of linux based ROMs first (like for some siemens old devices)...
It's a kind of defense from ideas like yours...
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Can a CM wireless module be edited to work with webOS? Like a webOS and CM merged rom for G1 and HTC Magic. Like some of the gingerbread roms for sapphire.
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This is what I said to someone who asked this Q, but about WP7...
"Porting it to Android phones is illegal, the only exception is porting WP7 to other WinMo phones only....This is the same reason why WebOS can't be ported to other phones, you will get a C&D from Microsoft or worse if you attempt to have the OS on non-Windows phones. WP7, WinMo, WebOS, and iOS are all closed-sourced, unlike android you can't have those OSes on any device."
Now WebOS has some things that are open, but it's not fully open like Android. HP wouldn't allow such a thing, if you've try porting WinMo/WP7 , or another closed OS, you'll be told to quit it. The SDK isn't there for people to port it to other phones, but to develop apps, and other things for the pre line and other Webos native devices....And WebOS would be to slow on the 1st Gen Android phones...It was slow on the Pre 1, so it'll be slower on a 528MHz too. It's finally good on the 2nd Gen snapdragon, but look how big the Cpu Gen gap is...
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WP7 is closed sourced that is the big deference.
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Can a CM wireless module be edited to work with webOS? Like a webOS and CM merged rom for G1 and HTC Magic. Like some of the gingerbread roms for sapphire.
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I don't think so... There was new type of java developed for Android (dalvik-java). I don't know how the WebOS is written, but it's not the same programming language for sure. Crossprogramming/crosscompiling is like copy polish text to english homework. Trust me, it won't work at all.
Dokładnie jak teraz, nie sądzę, żebyś cokolwiek z tego co tutaj piszę zrozumiał, ale i tak pozdrawiam Ciebie, jak również innych polaków korzystających z XDA.
But there is one possibility to run WebOS on our devices! You have to write everything on your own. If you want write new drivers for network/gps/camera/etc modules you have to know how they are communicating with each others, and have a lot time and skills and informations (like datasheets for all microcontrollers in device) for writing all starting from nothing...
(There are problems in porting Honeycomb for other than originally supported devices... If it is so hard, about WebOS i think you can forget...)
Ofcourse everything is possible (like MacOSx on f.e. AMD or Atom based processors), but not everything is profitable. There have to be some issues causing HP abandon WebOS (and making it worst from other OSs) (I'm speculating, I don't know how WebOS is working and how is to work on WebOS..).
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I know what I'm talking about...WebOS is closed sourced...You can't port it to non-palm/HP devices at all...It's not legal...
http://forums.precentral.net/webos-discussion/292920-we-need-team-port-webos-android-devices.html
If you don't believe goto that thread, or make a new one asking the question, the pal devs will tell you it can't be done.
So there is no way to get Android to look like webOS.
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So there is no way to get Android to look like webOS.
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There are themes that were made very very long ago, doubt you'll find them again. However the "wave launcher" from WebOS is on Android, on the market.
http://androidcommunity.com/android-team-forced-to-pull-palm-pre-theme-20090814/
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There are themes that were made very very long ago, doubt you'll find them again. However the "wave launcher" from WebOS is on Android, on the market.
http://androidcommunity.com/android-team-forced-to-pull-palm-pre-theme-20090814/
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Have been looking for the theme as well http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1251829
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Will this now be possible now that HP has open sourced WebOS?
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Since WebOS is open source this is very "do-able", hell they ported Android to the iPhone, why not WebOS to an Android Device?
Hello everyone, I know this is a long shot but: is anyone interested in porting Android to this excellent eBook Reader?
Device description is here: http://www.bookeen.com/en/cybook/odyssey
It is basically a Nook Touch Simple/Sony PRS T1 like device that features a very fast e-Ink display (amazingly fast for an e-Ink) and should support some tablet like use (browsing the web, reading a RSS feed) quite well. You can see here and here what HSIS (High Speed Ink System) can do.
Stock version is using a Linux 2.6.31 based OS (doesn't specify what flavor)
From the little I know the main problems with porting a Android whould be:
- possible locked bootloader on the Cybook Odyssey -> no way to know without the device
- supported chipset -> an ARM A8 based chipset is listed
- display drivers -> maybe those from regular pearl e-Ink can be used?
- wi-fi drivers -> again, depends on the chipset
I'm out of my league (php, web stuff) here but I plan to buy the device next month if there's hope for it
Ideas?
Hi!
I would point out, before getting your hopes up on the porting, the fact that you asked just one day after the launch of the device, makes one think that you're thoughts are audaciously early. So unless some xda-developers are Bokeen insiders and, ahem, unbound by their job to work on this matter, either waiting or is the thing to do. Or, ahem, , learning how to port?
The chances I see for this port to happen are small (but than again still possible). Perhaps we could see if the linux running it might offer more flexibility and run apps directly (?). Porting would would have it's obvious advantages ... an Android with it's screen technology superior to any current eInk readers, except the Mirasol powered ones perhaps (those are limited to Korea for now) would we awesome.
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Hi!
I would point out, before getting your hopes up on the porting, the fact that you asked just one day after the launch of the device, makes one think that you're thoughts are audaciously early. So unless some xda-developers are Bokeen insiders and, ahem, unbound by their job to work on this matter, either waiting or is the thing to do. Or, ahem, , learning how to port?
The chances I see for this port to happen are small (but than again still possible). Perhaps we could see if the linux running it might offer more flexibility and run apps directly (?). Porting would would have it's obvious advantages ... an Android with it's screen technology superior to any current eInk readers, except the Mirasol powered ones perhaps (those are limited to Korea for now) would we awesome.
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Is there any news on debugging and or development possibilities on that platform? I have seen the gpl'ed linux source released at bookeen's site.
I have yet not found any pictures of a disassembled device and do not know if customized firmware updates are possible.
Would very much appreciate any news on that topic!
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Is there any news on debugging and or development possibilities on that platform? I have seen the gpl'ed linux source released at bookeen's site.
I have yet not found any pictures of a disassembled device and do not know if customized firmware updates are possible.
Would very much appreciate any news on that topic!
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I would also be interested in customized firmware for cybook odyssey. thanks
Any news on this anybody?
Anyone still watching this? I'd like to try to do it, but it's over my head, skill wise...
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Anyone still watching this? I'd like to try to do it, but it's over my head, skill wise...
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I know that internally some version of android ran on the device, but it's really not worth to do this. Android is absolutely not suited for such device and screen.
To install personalised linux/software, first crack the update format, then the device will be open to you...