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Google Android on Kaiser?

I have not returned kaiser in the hope of being able to install Google's Android OS on kaiser. Hardware is great, but software/drivers suck.
It should be fairly easy because its open source and the first phone that HTC is bringing out is supposed to have the same processor.
Your thoughts?

I'm hoping that becomes a reality. Open source development would open up the floodgates! Imagine TouchFLO with an OpenGL 3D environment.... can't wait to see what happens here.

jerich007 said:
I'm hoping that becomes a reality. Open source development would open up the floodgates! Imagine TouchFLO with an OpenGL 3D environment.... can't wait to see what happens here.
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You don't know much about OpenGL and linux do you
Next you'll be wanting to run Beryl on a pocket pc

Subliminal Aura said:
You don't know much about OpenGL and linux do you
Next you'll be wanting to run Beryl on a pocket pc
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hahahahah, nice...or better yet, how about we get the kaiser to run the iPhone OS? after that maybe Santa Claus will show up...

Doug2873 said:
hahahahah, nice...or better yet, how about we get the kaiser to run the iPhone OS? after that maybe Santa Claus will show up...
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Well Leopard does run on my PC now *Cough*

If Android is open source, I don't see why someone with compiler knowledge couldn't make it run on any ARM based handheld...

Because booting an OS kernel requires extensive access to hardware specifications, wich is not what Androïd is about at all.

The Android SDK is now available. They have also announced that they're giving away $10 million to developers that build apps for the platform. More info here:
http://www.openhandsetalliance.com/developers.html
There's also a video of Android up on YouTube now:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FJHYqE0RDg
For an early prototype this looks amazing.

now that the SDK is out, I will probably end up eating my own words in the next few months, assuming people on here get the appropriate hardware drivers for the kaiser from HTC.

Terrific
This Andoid is a very killer OS, a lot better than the crappy WM-X, Please HTC port it to Kaiser, if not, we can create a community for build a distribution based on android for the Kaiser.
Regards,
Taguapire

I would too like to see this new Android OS be brought to the Kaiser. If I understand correctly, they are providing all assets to the public with the SDK.

Yes your right
Subliminal Aura said:
You don't know much about OpenGL and linux do you
Next you'll be wanting to run Beryl on a pocket pc
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I would love to have beryl on pocket pc. I've been waiting for years since I first saw beryl on youtube. The closest thing we have is the HTC Cube. Can't wait .

Theres talk of this all over xda-developers.
One guy is calling people to work on it here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=344076&highlight=android
And here's another thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=343730&highlight=android
I sure would like to see this happen. Since HTC is a partner in the open handset alliance I could see them releasing drivers for it. ... maybe...

Problem is - OS source or not, the hardware specs for many of the ICs in the Kaiser (esp. the Qualcomm MSM) are not publically available, which means that it isn't possible to write a driver for them.
This is why, for example, the Linux ports to previous HTC devices are (relatively) crippled - drivers for parts of the hardware can't be written because the hardware specs are not available.

Ah. That makes a lot of sense. Thanks for shedding some light on this issue, Entropy512.

cant see why you can't just take the msm7200 chipset specs off of the qualcomm site and build something. I mean it has generic arm processors and the other information should be able to gleaned from the windows app itself(radios,etc..)

Subliminal Aura said:
You don't know much about OpenGL and linux do you
Next you'll be wanting to run Beryl on a pocket pc
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Nope Compiz....... Hehe

In fact the radio processor (ARM9) already runs a linux like rtos: L4 micro kernel and Iguana embedded OS. See here and here.

I think the chances might be relatively good:
1. HTC has announced they are building android based phones.
2. For the next year or so, chances are that available phone hardware is gonna be pretty much the same as what is available today (give or take).
So it follows that there are good chances that HTC will do most of the work for us. They introduce a new P4551 running Android, you guys do your ROM ripping magic, and take all the various drivers and introduce it into a generic Android ROM. Voila! Android on the Kaiser.
That said, who says Android hardware support on HTC devices is going to be any better than hardware support for WM6? HTC has already proved you can release a phone for a mature platform, with plenty of history, using almost no hardware acceleration for anything. Who says Android phones from HTC will be any better in that respect?

Cool OS
This is a very cool OS. I'm sure some of our great coders around XDA DEVELOPERS can come up with all kinds of ways to use this on many different phones. If they get the money more power to them. They deserve it. At least in my nubee opinion!

### can we port WebOS to HD2??###

just wondering, if people are trying to work out android into HD2, then a webOS inside HD2 is even better

+1
if htc buys palm as the rumors say than maybe we'll have a chance to see this...

antaed said:
+1
if htc buys palm as the rumors say than maybe we'll have a chance to see this...
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Could prove to be very interesting if the rumors come true.
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i got hd2, palm pre and nexus one at the moment..hd2 is the best hardware wise, palm is the best OS wise...n1 stand in the middle...
i don't even bother thinking about windows 7... webOS is way better than wm 6.5.5 (of which the platform is much older)
android comes surprisingly good though..
if htc does buy palm then we surely will get something like hd2 with palm OS..
i can use my hd2 solely because of custom roms...using standard rom is out of question

iwang said:
i got hd2, palm pre and nexus one at the moment..hd2 is the best hardware wise, palm is the best OS wise...n1 stand in the middle...
i don't even bother thinking about windows 7... webOS is way better than wm 6.5.5 (of which the platform is much older)
android comes surprisingly good though..
if htc does buy palm then we surely will get something like hd2 with palm OS..
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my first choice was the palm pre but i got tired of waiting for it. htc hero was the best android at that time - good alternative but outdated. nokia's n900 was also an interesting alternative but i decided to go with the hd2.
now, after 5 month with it i think it was the best decision i could have made. it's far from perfect but thanks to this community it's getting better and better and i enjoy every minute of this experience.
iwang said:
i can use my hd2 solely because of custom roms...using standard rom is out of question
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i couldn't agree more

yeah
need something like pop up sms, like chompsms in android..is there any in hd2?

It would be a great experience if we can try WebOS.
However WebOS is just a Linux like Android and because it is HTML-based the coding is also very limited and we can't have all the powerful applications that can be made or found on Windows.
Beside it's better to code in the state of the art C# than in old HTML.

ForceField said:
It would be a great experience if we can try WebOS.
However WebOS is just a Linux like Android and because it is HTML-based the coding is also very limited and we can't have all the powerful applications that can be made or found on Windows.
Beside it's better to code in the state of the art C# than in old HTML.
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Say what? I dont understand that statement. Linux is build on C, surely you are mistaken by saing android is coded in HTML...

snipey said:
Say what? I dont understand that statement. Linux is build on C, surely you are mistaken by saing android is coded in HTML...
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I didn't said that Android is coded in HTML.
I am a Coder snipey and this is not me who you is mistaken
I know what .NET is capable of and what HTML is capable of:
WebOS is HTML based and if you know how to code in HTML or Javascript then coding applications for WebOS is really easy because it is simple.But with this simplicity you will not be able to make powerful applications.
.NET C# is Microsoft's latest language and heavily supported it is also very different from C in matter of syntax and much more powerful because of the graphic.
With this new language(not that new though) you can write very complex code that can give powerful applications.
This is what I was stating.

WebOS is not just html - it is mainly based on JAVASCRIPT - when you say HTML it sounds outdated, but javascript and xml (AJAX) is the new thing when it comes to merging the line between web apps and desktop apps.
Plus Linux is C based. So if Palm unlock the OS it could run native linux apps.
Also, check out the latest games on the palm app store, like Need for speed, those are not HTML based.
Palm has cracked the mobile multitasking issue with a very intuitive paradigm, I only wish the hardware was better (e.g. larger screen, better graphics processor).
Drop WebOS on HD2 hardware and I believe they will finally topple the iPhone's dominance of the mobile market.

you're both a little right.
WebOS is primarily HTML, CSS, and Javascript. However, the recently released PDK (Plug-In Developers Kit) also allows coding portions of WebOS apps in C/C++. The architecture is similar to Web Browser Plugins (since most of WebOS is basically a web browser in nature anyway...)
It's right Here: Palm PDK Overview

[Q] WP7 on iPhone 4?

Is there any possibility of dual-booting IOS and and WP7 on an iPhone 4? I'm really interested in playing the Xbox Live games on my iPhone. So that's my main goal. If there is another way to do this, I would be interested in the info. Thanks!

Most likely not. Android can be ported to the iPhone because it is open source whereas windows phone 7 os is very much closed source.
Also, windows phone has special hardware requirements and, if im not mistaken, the Iphone 4 does NOT use the same qualcomm chipset as windows phone.
You would also have issues with your hi-res screen becasue windows phone only supports WVGA at the moment.
So it is probably not possible,
Sorry.

Without any source it won't be possible at all. That's why people have been successful in porting Android to the iPhone series.

Thanks. I figured that there was probably a reason why it hadn't been done yet. I appreciate the info!

Why dont ya just get a windows phone?
Ported OS to another phone will never work as smoothly as a real device dedicated for the job.
If you seen android running on the iPhone it was never really that usable. Even when i had the HD2 Android was still buggy and laggy.

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There is OS7, but it is a visual port only and still works just like iOS under the hood. I used it for a while on my iPhone 4.

DUAL Boot Android and ios5

Hi Friends,
Have anybody tried to dual boot android with ios5. It will be great if someone can do this.
While searching came across this
http://code.google.com/p/bootdroid
http://bootdroid.blogspot.in/
Any solutions?

I don't think that's possible.
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You can't run iOS as a rom because its closed source. It would be impossible to port because all the libs are different even though its based off linux

IOS is based off of Mac OSX which is based off of *Unix*
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so the info on the links is just bull**** ?
BUT: it is possible to have your android phone "transformed" to look like ios with miui rom and iphone theme.
that still doesnt give access to the appstore but its as near as we can get to ios looks

Got none of the required devices I would have tried otherwise :/

i have a desire hd but i dont really think this is legit.. probably just some guy hunting payperclicks

This will never be possible. IPhone and android phones havedifferent processor architecture.
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It IS possible to dual boot an iPhone with Android and iOS, the project is called iDroid (idroidproject[.]org) but some of the iPhone jail breakers (like @chronic) are creating a linux-based OS (called Magenta) that replicates iPhone OS 1.0, my source says that it currently runs on ARM7 hardware
Magenta is an implementation of Darwin/BSD on top of the Linux kernel. It is made up of a number of kernel and userland components that work together. It is fully binary compatible with iPhone OS 5.0 (as in, it uses the same binary format).
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The final goal is probably recreating the iPhone OS 1.0 stack. I think this is a pretty feasible goal, considering the fact that there are so many open source libs that can be used to replace the proprietary libs used by Apple. Just as an example:
* CoreGraphics -> Cairo
-> FreeType
-> libpng/jpg
* Celestial -> Various open source media decoding libs.
* UIKit -> Chamelleon
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see my source for the news post: ht.tp://bit[.]ly/KZZ1up (9to5Mac)
More information about Magenta: ht.tp://bit[.]ly/Oo6eV4
Or this for the source code: ht.tp://crna[.]cc/magenta_source.html

The original ios firmware? ? I think its cool, hope they develop for the new ios though. Number one was pretty lame
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Dri94 said:
The original ios firmware? ? I think its cool, hope they develop for the new ios though. Number one was pretty lame
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I think so, they say the aim is to run iOS
The project does not wish to build a platform that can run Apple’s App Store apps; it appears to just aim at running iOS.
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As you can see it isn't for running App Store apps, but if it has root access like a rooted android, then you can just put any app on the device..
Like a Cydia app (for the ones who don't know: Cydia is an App Store that you get when you jailbreak your iPhone)

Dual boot iOS and Android. Hm... why not to try Linux instead? iOS is not flexible as Android and what's the point of it? Also we can start porting Windows 8 and other stuff.

arpitsinghi said:
Hi Friends,
Have anybody tried to dual boot android with ios5. It will be great if someone can do this.
While searching came across this
http://code.google.com/p/bootdroid
http://bootdroid.blogspot.in/
Any solutions?
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iOS 5 is designed to run only on apple's specified hardware design. It is next to impossible to have apple software running on android hardware, but there have been reports of android running on apple hardware. This all involves a lot of lib tweaking, proper execution of binaries, andjust plain coding genius.
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k28king1 said:
iOS 5 is designed to run only on apple's specified hardware design. It is next to impossible to have apple software running on android hardware, but there have been reports of android running on apple hardware. This all involves a lot of lib tweaking, proper execution of binaries, andjust plain coding genius.
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Look at post #9 It IS possible if someone tries to get it on an android with a bit porting of the Magenta-project. And yes it is possible to run android on iPhone (post #9 as well) it is called iDroid (as mentioned in post #9)

here is the source code from cronic, who is an apple dev, who is working on porting it for us, http://crna.cc/ , if any dev is wishing to finish it off with his android intel

why doenst just buy an iPhone ?

android_isda_**** said:
here is the source code from cronic, who is an apple dev, who is working on porting it for us, ht.tp://crna.cc/ , if any dev is wishing to finish it off with his android intel
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That is exactly what's said in post 9! Don't people read the whole topic, or do you just post blindly and hope that someone before you didn't post that ?? Sorry for getting off-topic
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For those asking "why?", I found this thread because I would like an Android tablet, but I'm worried I'll want the latest app or game and it will be only on iOS for too long before going to Android. I'd like the best of both worlds, someday (perhaps when iDroid is out of alpha).

therussman2002 said:
For those asking "why?", I found this thread because I would like an Android tablet, but I'm worried I'll want the latest app or game and it will be only on iOS for too long before going to Android. I'd like the best of both worlds, someday (perhaps when iDroid is out of alpha).
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If you want the best of both worlds, let me give you some suggestions:
Buy a jailbreak-able iPhone (4S or 4 recommended) jailbreak it on iOS 5.1.1 (if that's the current OS) and then with Cydia you can customize your iPhone as much as you want.
Buy both of them (which I have done) and enjoy
But do not expect iDroid to be stable anytime soon, for now..
That was a bit off-topic, sorry, but I hope this helps!

[Discussion] Future of Android

How do you think Android is going to get when Ubuntu, Tizen, or even Firefox OS appear?
I find Android really wasteful in resources, and any developer will confirm that Android can't get the max out of any hardware (due to Java VM)
Until now, Android didn't actually have any competitor, iOS is closed source, and Apple makes 1000$ devices, and phones with Android with the same specs (or better) are at no more than 800$ (correct me, I don't use $ in Romania)... The other competitor is still existent, Windows... it is really smooth, fast, looks cool, but it seems to be a marketing fail+not open source
Tizen and Firefox OS seem to be having only HTML5-based apps... which means it will be a rendering engine processing everything... just another kind of VM in my opinion they have the same smoothness Android has, from what I saw
However, Ubuntu seems to be a lot like the PC version, smooth, fast, user friendly, and will be able to run NATIVE (no VM) applications, which will make it a lot faster, even for lower end devices
Where do you think Android is going to go when they will be released? Yes, I am asking you and expressing my opinion, please Google before answering (yes, one cool thing about Android is the full Google integration)
Tizen - announced to be released this year
Ubuntu and Firefox OS - 2014

I really don't know the answer.
I've never seen Tizen and FF OS so I can't tell.
I know iOS and Windows aren't open source so we can't "deal" with them.
Ubuntu isn't user friendly at all, in fact, all Linux is NOT user friendly, at least comparing to Windows.
Right now, I just enjoy the beauty of Android until some things blow it away.

votinh said:
I really don't know the answer.
I've never seen Tizen and FF OS so I can't tell.
I know iOS and Windows aren't open source so we can't "deal" with them.
Ubuntu isn't user friendly at all, in fact, all Linux is NOT user friendly, at least comparing to Windows.
Right now, I just enjoy the beauty of Android until some things blow it away.
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Linux is just the kernel Ubuntu is a distro, and Android can also be called a distro, but for mobile platform

Re: [Q] Future of Android
A good question with uncertain answer. We can't say about the future of android.
But what i can say is that a new device with new platform will take some time to get good market. Since android is the largest selling platform in the world it takes some time to survive the competition.

Android will be fine. Ubuntu didn't convince majority to leave their investment in Windows, and they'll have same problem moving people from android.

Allanitomwesh said:
Android will be fine. Ubuntu didn't convince majority to leave their investment in Windows, and they'll have same problem moving people from android.
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Ubuntu can't convince me to switch because I can't give the PC to anyone, they say "wtf is that sh*t?"
And plus, it is a lot harder to get the drivers for my Optimus laptop... and gaming is slower in wine if more games had native clients for Linux

Re: [Q] Future of Android
Go with ubuntu you will never be mistaken........
I hate my X and love my Next.......... Conditions apply*

Google might expand the NDK API (native development kit) so you could make an entire app with it. Anyway i think most Games is written using it nowdays, since Java is so (too) slow.

The Google ecosystem is getting so large, i don't think that Ubuntu will have the resources to get anywhere near that.

Talking about Future of Android, I heard that WINE application which run in linux is being developed for android

Re: [Q] Future of Android
In future android will surely come up very much..
May be the andriod can interact by talking.
At that time we will ask mods to build our regional languages

Re: [Q] Future of Android
I wonder if a sensor that is capable of detecting our eyeball movement, that could be used for scrolling and other purposes
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Re: [Q] Future of Android
swaroopg551 said:
I wonder if a sensor that is capable of detecting our eyeball movement, that could be used for scrolling and other purposes
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SIV's eyeScroll?
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swaroopg551 said:
I wonder if a sensor that is capable of detecting our eyeball movement, that could be used for scrolling and other purposes
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Actually, I hate solutions that try to "think" for me, and guess what I want to do. Even if they are right 70%, they are still wrong the other 30%...
And it feels like my phone (or a car, or whatever) is forcing me to do things I do not want to do. That a developer thinks he is smarter than me.
I get used to functionalities presented this way but they are still irritating.
I just imagined a number of times this eyeball movement sensor would be wrong... wrrrrr....