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As a project in my Statistics course we are asked to develop and carry out an experiment. Rather than do something conventional I felt pressed to do something that would actually be useful to myself and potentially the community.
-A comparative experiment of radio stacks' effect on battery usage will be done.
Now I realize there are many confounding variables that effect battery drain that are equally as important, location, usage, brightness, ram load and user use habits : however for the sake of the experiment I wish to see for each user how their battery drain changes based on the radio in their area on their usage. Because each users results will be directly compared with their own many of these confounding variables will be minimized as much as possible with such a short time frame to test.
The experiment will call for any available HTC Touch Pro users (World wide) starting May 18th to flash the official radios, each day trying a different radio and tracking the battery drain.
The current plan is to use the official released radios at
(Including the ATT Test rom radio but not the newer 1.14.25.05 due to issues and bugs confounding the results even more)
- Radio - Day of Trial - Date - My Resulting Percentage at end of day
-1.12.25.19 - Benchmark / Comparison test - May 18th - 40% at midnight
-1.02.25.11 - Day 2 - May 19th - 6%
-1.02.25.19 - Day 3 - May 20th - 15%
-1.02.25.28 - Day 4 - May 21st - 45% (gasp)
-1.08.25.20 - Day 5 - May 22nd - 3% (Battery Change out at 10:30pm) 87% on battery 2 - total - -10%
-1.01.25.16 - Day 6 - May 23rd - 14%
-1.02.25.32 - Day 7 - May 24th - 5% (Battery change out at 9:30pm) 51% on battery 2 - total - -44%
Just got a Touch HD - Had to take 2 days off the trial to play with the lovable device.
-1.02.25.27 - Day 8 - May 25th - (May 27th) - 3% (Battery Change out at 10:30pm) 98% on battery 2 - total - 1%
-1.02.25.31 - Day 9 - May 26th - (May 28th) - 43%
-1.11.25.01 - Day 10 - May 27th - (May 29th) - 10%
- End of Trial - For me -
I will wait a while to collect all available data from testers then perform the statistical analysis.
Download Radios Here
Conditions for testing:
Because each user is unique in exactly how they use their devices, 3G / 2G, Wifi, Bluetooth, GPS, I only ask that the usage be relatively consistent throughout the trial. As long as you are consistent with the other things draining your battery we can see exactly what it is that radios drain.
Each evening anyone willing to participate in the experiment will flash a new radio and track the battery drain over the following day.
In order to track battery usage, the performed method will simply be recording the remaining battery life percentage at the conclusion of the day. (usually a selected time by the user) This is due to no battery tracking application freely available that efficiently tracks battery levels without interrupted normal usage or battery life.
I apologize for the short time frame that has been created, however the project was developed months ago, yet the teacher simply dumped it on us to get the actual experiment done next week and I am truly hoping I can stir up enough interest and enough volunteers to get the data I need.
Please post if you have any interest in the project, wish to volunteer, or have a suggestion for which battery app to use.
I need volunteers and this is information that is helpful to everyone, so please take part and please help out.
If nothing else, I will post at least my own results to this little experiment.
Jason8 reporting for duty!
My results:
- Radio - Day of Trial - Date - My Resulting Percentage at end of day (11 PM)
-1.12.25.19 - Benchmark / Comparison test - May 19th - 36%
-1.02.25.11 - Day 2 - May 20th
-1.02.25.19 - Day 3 - May 21st
-1.02.25.28 - Day 4 - May 22nd
-1.08.25.20 - Day 5 - May 23rd
-1.01.25.16 - Day 6 - May 24th
-1.02.25.32 - Day 7 - May 25th
-1.02.25.27 - Day 8 - May 26th
-1.02.25.31 - Day 9 - May 27th
Started a day late, hope it's not a big deal!
I second the attendance on this
Tell me where to locate the radios and where to submit results, I'll be there. count me in.
Thank you for the immediate support. As I said in the post this will attempt to begin Sunday evening where you will flash the first Radio and continue Monday like normal, then at the conclusion of the day simply record the remaining battery life percentage.
Try to keep the start and end of your day consistent and ensure devices are charged to full every night. This may mean simply recording you battery level every night at 8pm rather than waiting until you head into bed to keep the timing consistent.
I hope anyone interested signs up as well, as the more data the better.
Anyone can sign up for the trial, if they have a Touch Pro or a Fuze, doesn't matter. In fact they can even join up halfway through, they will simply need to continue the trial to include the missed radios.
Tomorrow will begin the first day of the test, as the comparison test we will begin with the radio that is considered to be the best by many. The ATT test rom radio. 1,12,25,19
All radios can be downloaded from the radio thread
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=439566
This thread includes downloads for all radios and flashing instructions.
Reporting for duty
I am willing to participate in the survey...Should we recharge if it doesn't last the whole day and document the time it went dead?
Yes, if your device does not make it through the entire day on one of the radios. document the time and either recharge to full (if not full record the percentage) or swap out batteries (to a full one) and continue like normal. then doccument the remaining percentage at the end of the day.
Tomorrow begins day one of the trials, so if we could all flash to the ATT Test rom radio
1.12.25.19 and charge our devices, we can begin this whole thing tomorrow morning!
Simply post your daily results in the thread, send them to me in a PM, or find me in the IRC channel #XDA-Devs under the name NonPlayerChar and message them to me. You can do this after each day, or keep a record yourself and send them to me whenever you find it convenient.
.. wish i could participate
buti cant even flash rom's even though i can tweak everything else on my phone. and i carry two batteriez... im definetly gonna keep reading this topic.
My first two days results
1.12.25.19 Day 1 May 18th 62% -- 12hr timeframe
1.02.25.11 Day 2 May 19th 47% -- 12hr timeframe
I have to add if you noticed that I only kept the phone on for 12hrs as I turn it off at nite before I go to sleep to avoid the ex-wife from texting in the middle of the night. If you would like me to test for 24hrs. please let me know and I will find a way.
Both test periods were with push email enabled (HSPDA on) and identical usage.
I have the newest 1.14.25.05 and no issues here, i can report if needed
Great results so far, I would like thank everyone who is participating.
Fjmora992000 : Great results - No your time window is perfectly fine, as long as it is consistent.
Mine goes from about 7am to 12am the next day, so a 17 hour window.
I am seeing similar results with 1.02.25.11 compared to 1.12.25.19. Although, if the drain continues as expected, I may be exactly 0% at midnight.
Bowdowntozoltan : Great to hear it, I may try out the new radio soon as the trials end. If you would like to participate in the trials, any effort would be appreciated, however for any data to be relevant you would need to try the other radios on your device as well. This would be much appreciated, as anyone knows, a large sample size is ALWAYS* better. As I said before you can simply continue as scheduled with the planned radios then make up the previous radios after the end of the trial.
*(A large sample is almost always better, except for when a sample is more than 10% of any given population... this causes conflicts with independence however... we will not get into that)
Final results.
Sorry for the delay, I've been working a bit and trying to settle into the new routine. The test was a gruesome one, many variables led to an ackward result. I think I'll redo test again and see what comes of it.
1.02.25.19 - Day 3 - May 21st 40%
1.02.25.28 - Day 4 - May 22nd 47%
1.08.25.20 - Day 5 - May 23rd 55%
1.01.25.16 - Day 6 - May 24th 45% very unstable
1.02.25.32 - Day 7 - May 25th 38%
1.02.25.27 - Day 8 - May 26th 53%
1.02.25.31 - Day 9 - May 27th 60%
Thank you for the results.
I had some terrible instabilities with a few radios myself, causing horrible lockups and simply all around poor system performance, however I've found it best to simply work through them.
Hey guys,
Late last year I began experiencing the well known Captivate shutdown problem, this happened before the official acknowledgement from Samsung and AT&T. They replaced my device at my local 'AT&T Device Support Center' with little to no questions asked. My phone was stable thereafter throughout the month of December, and towards the middle of January. Since my phone was without a doubt stable, I decided to flash my rom from stock to <insert rom name here>. Several days after, I started experiencing the shutdown issue again, though less frequent than before (once or twice a week).
So I figured I'd try recalibrating my battery after reading through the various posts on these forums about improving battery life. This helped tremendously with battery efficiency, but the device would still randomly shutdown. I began to notice that the device would shutdown around a certain percentage (31-35%).
I returned to the device support center to have my phone exchanged again, but this time I spoke to someone who had experience with this matter. They told me that the device I currently have, and the one I had previously both were not affected by the shutdown defect. However they DID tell me that I've had the same battery the entire time. The replacements don't come with a new battery, they just use the battery from your former device.
They ended up replacing my battery, and I've had no issues the past week with much better battery performance.
So my thoughts coming out of this:
1. Be aware of potential battery issues caused by flashing roms.
- I think that over time, if you don't take care of your battery by doing some of the calibration techniques, you'll see terrible battery life, and quite possibly run into the same problem I did.
2. The AT&T Device Support Center will help you (at location, by phone or online).
3. If you flash your rom, it's probably a good practice to charge to full with the device OFF, wipe the battery stats in clockwork recovery, then flash your rom.
Good luck, and I hope this helps some of you with this issue.
I had a stock Captivate that was having the random shutdown issue. Maybe a few times a week. Still, it was annoying.
I called AT&T, explained my problem. They offered to replace the phone or the battery. I didn't want a refurb as my phone was less than 2 months old, so I opted for a new battery.
Since then, I have not had a single shutdown (knock on wood). So, I agree, that it's possible the battery is the culprit, not just the handset range.
AT&T is pretty good in this regard.
1. Phone swap 1
2. New battery shipped
3. Phone swap 2
4. Phone swap 3 (at this point they said if this too didn't work, they'd let me pick another device)
Just wanted to update.. I've had my new battery now for almost 3 weeks, and just today I experienced 2 shutdowns while the device was at about 50% battery life.
Going to return to the device support center again, and hopefully try to convince them to replace it with a HTC Inspire 4G.
This is BS
I just tried this am after my 2nd replacement in a week was bad out of the box.
Inspire is not available at the warranty center yet. The best android for replacement is still the captiFAIL.
I reluctantly accepted another one. I'm sure it will fail sooner our later.
Ugh... how many devices do we have to go through until the situation is made right?
does anyone elses battery smell like pickles?
My first Cappy was bought brand new from AT&T Feb 4th. It showed it was mfgr'd Dec 19, 2010. It began shutting off almost immediately.
The following Monday, I went to ATT and they replaced it with another new one. I haven't had the problem again - The new phone was built sometime around 1/27/11 so I'm hoping that they've finally fixed the issue from showing up in the future....
I was in the ATT corp store last night buying an Inspire, and the guy told me they were not replacing Captivates...sigh..im going to call customer service to try to get a replacement. My Captivate was from release date and did not start experiencing the shutdowns until December..it is usually at a high battery percentage and when the phone is cold..like if i leave it on a glass table it will 100% shutdown during sleep with the battery above 80%
nismopunch said:
I was in the ATT corp store last night buying an Inspire, and the guy told me they were not replacing Captivates...sigh..im going to call customer service to try to get a replacement. My Captivate was from release date and did not start experiencing the shutdowns until December..it is usually at a high battery percentage and when the phone is cold..like if i leave it on a glass table it will 100% shutdown during sleep with the battery above 80%
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Yeah mine is shutting down around the 50% battery life range.. before they replaced my battery it was shutting down in the 30-somethings. Haven't returned to the device support center yet for a replacement.
Mine started shutting down last night. Had it connected to a PC charging and the next day I put it in my pocket, and my later went for it and saw it was off. It shut down a second time tonight and when it came on battery was at 69%.
Issue started only after flashing a rom, then ODIN'n it back to stock since the battery life was very bad with the rom flash and after battery calibrating. Had been fine since purchased in November. Not what I needed after the day I had.
I went to the tmobile store I always go to earlier today, and was attempting to explain a certain issue I was having (something under the screen, at the very top, appears to have come unglued).
This tool informed me promptly that he was the LG rep for this store, and he immediately began defending the phone, despite the fact that I wasn't in there for any of the issues he began to explain away ( I didn't bring any issue up aside from the one I came in for). So here's his rundown of the issues, and how they'll deal with them. I only got into this at all because he began to list problems without my asking, saying after each that the effect on the phone is minimal for normal users
1) Battery issues: "It isn't that big a deal. You have to charge it twice instead of once. Not a huge issue for most. An extra car charge on the ride home from work"
2) When I answered that it sometimes only lasts 8-10 hours with minimal use: "Right, as I said, it'll take two charges instead of one. After work charge it up, then again when you go to sleep. Not really a big inconvenience"
3) Informed of the fact that I have had several instances where I was forced to do a factory reset because the phone got the sleep of death: "It's a known issue and it will be handled with an update this summer. No smartphone is ever perfect when it's released."
4) When I said I've had a g1 and a Nexus One and both had better battery life and no reboot issues: "It's a known fact that the G1 had one of the worst batteries ever in a smartphone, so I know that's not true. The Nexus One has horrendous signal problems. HTC always brings half baked products to the market. The Sensation will be the same thing"
5) I show him my screen problem again: "It's not a known issue, so we can't do an exchange."
6) Informed that every issue had to be unknown at some point: "Everything listed here is a known issue and will be fixed with a summer update. In the meantime, if you're still in the 14 day grace period, you can return the phone. If not, you'll have to deal with it. Or sell it and buy the Sensation (I brought up the Sensation earlier)"
7) What exactly is the issue? "The phone constantly runs 4g, or tries to find a 4g connection, even on wifi, which is draining the battery."
8) When I offer that the drivers are bad and the battery percentages are incorrect: "That's ridiculous. I own the phone. It's the 4g draining the battery. It's been confirmed. So you'll just have to deal with it"
9) The battery is red hot sometimes so tmobile sent me a new battery: "That won't work. It's not a battery issue. They shouldn't have sent you a battery"
I actually made him sound better than he was. Had you seen his face and heard the tone of his voice you would have smashed your phone into his mouth.
I would have returned it. You are within your exchange period and it is a product YOU bought. If it isn't up to standards then it should be replaced. I would have returned it on spite of him being a dbag and bought it somewhere else (another store).
The battery driver is wonked and fixable, the screen is hardware and, if bad, should be replaced.
I find it easier to just tell them something software wise (even if it isn't). Of course they'll try to factory reset it but say "been there done that, it still does it. I want to exchange it for another one". They can't test random events.
LG G2x - CM7 2.3.4
If you are within your exchange period there is no reason to even talk to a guy like that. Return it if you choose to. Exchange it if you prefer. Then feel free to bad mouth in front of other customers due to him arguing with a customer rather than looking for solutions. The reps in the store don't even have to listen to a darn thing that yahoo says.
I used to hate it when these tools were in mystores. Some of them would actually interfere if you were selling a different product.
G2x with CM7 and faux kernel
Actually it's the android OS that is killing the battery. Try comparing the battery life to a Windows Mobile OS phone and you'll notice that the Android OS eats up huge amounts of battery when not even activley using the handset and just on standby, while Windows mobile OS will conserve the battery and sustain battery life just as well as the "dumb phones" of 2007.
Well 4g is killing the battery. I'd say it's the biggest culprit here. Battery life between wifi and 4g is night and day. Did the douche say that part was being fixed?
donutman said:
Well 4g is killing the battery. I'd say it's the biggest culprit here. Battery life between wifi and 4g is night and day. Did the douche say that part was being fixed?
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He said in a summer update everything will be fixed. When I asked if he thinks it's okay that people might have to wait over three months for the phone to work properly, he said no phone is perfect out of the box, again. And reiterated that charging the phone "one extra time a day isn't going to kill anyone."
He interrupted me quite a bit too, which is the only reason I began to pester him in return. Normally I'm in and out of there with no trouble at all. I mean, it's not like I was trying to scam anyone, I had/have a legitimate concern.
Sorry for the rant last night...I was still fuming.
donutman said:
Well 4g is killing the battery. I'd say it's the biggest culprit here. Battery life between wifi and 4g is night and day. Did the douche say that part was being fixed?
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More proof it's the Android operating system that is the cause for battery drainage even when not activley using phone.
http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-19736_7-20058834-251.html#addcomm
And as for the salesman that's giving you a hard time about returning it saying it's not a big deal recharging the battery twice, let him know that lithium batteries have a limited amount of recharge cycles and the more you recharge the batteries the faster you hit the battery limit and it's no longer good. I believe the average lithium battery is 500 recharge cycles.
what store is this and where? NExt time go in there get on his bad side start dissing lg enough to get him worked up then pull a fight-club on his ass!
get face to face with him and make it look like he pushed you into a display(make sure it breaks and makes lots of noise also best to do this on a sat afternoon with lots of people in there) then start screaming dont hurt me! Dont hurt me! ....voilA! now you can buy the tmo store from the lawsuit money and fire his ass!
Seriously people THEY DONT CARE. No big corporation gives a rats ass. WHat you should have done was video'd hiss ass saying all those slanderous things about htc and call them up and ask them if they are interested in lg sladering htc ...heh heh . I think its a culmination of all parties. android, 4g , bad drivers, etc.
Not enough R&D. and I loved my hd2 one of the best phones i Ever owned so f that guy.
I hate to say it but at this point I think the best we can do is gather as much evidence as possible. Document EVERYTHING your phone does. light bleed, reset etc. keep a daily log of your phones f-ups. IM sure a class action lawsuit will make lg change their mind. a 500$ phone that doesnt work the way its supposed to? Wait until the update comes out. who knows maybe itl fix everything(doubt it). after that people should seriously think about suing them. fix the phone or gives us 500$. Looks like apple has set the standard when somthing goes wrong:
"no its not"
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freakboy13 said:
what store is this and where? NExt time go in there get on his bad side start dissing lg enough to get him worked up then pull a fight-club on his ass!
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The store is in Blackwood, NJ if anyone cares to visit. He has glasses, and Alex P Keaton hair parted in the middle, but he's going bald so the partline is like 2 inches wide.
Wifi- loose 10% battery in like 30-40 minutes of use.
4g- loose 10 % battery in 15 minutes. :-/
Profondo_Rosso said:
I went to the tmobile store I always go to earlier today, and was attempting to explain a certain issue I was having (something under the screen, at the very top, appears to have come unglued).
This tool informed me promptly that he was the LG rep for this store, and he immediately began defending the phone, despite the fact that I wasn't in there for any of the issues he began to explain away ( I didn't bring any issue up aside from the one I came in for). So here's his rundown of the issues, and how they'll deal with them. I only got into this at all because he began to list problems without my asking, saying after each that the effect on the phone is minimal for normal users
1) Battery issues: "It isn't that big a deal. You have to charge it twice instead of once. Not a huge issue for most. An extra car charge on the ride home from work"
2) When I answered that it sometimes only lasts 8-10 hours with minimal use: "Right, as I said, it'll take two charges instead of one. After work charge it up, then again when you go to sleep. Not really a big inconvenience"
3) Informed of the fact that I have had several instances where I was forced to do a factory reset because the phone got the sleep of death: "It's a known issue and it will be handled with an update this summer. No smartphone is ever perfect when it's released."
4) When I said I've had a g1 and a Nexus One and both had better battery life and no reboot issues: "It's a known fact that the G1 had one of the worst batteries ever in a smartphone, so I know that's not true. The Nexus One has horrendous signal problems. HTC always brings half baked products to the market. The Sensation will be the same thing"
5) I show him my screen problem again: "It's not a known issue, so we can't do an exchange."
6) Informed that every issue had to be unknown at some point: "Everything listed here is a known issue and will be fixed with a summer update. In the meantime, if you're still in the 14 day grace period, you can return the phone. If not, you'll have to deal with it. Or sell it and buy the Sensation (I brought up the Sensation earlier)"
7) What exactly is the issue? "The phone constantly runs 4g, or tries to find a 4g connection, even on wifi, which is draining the battery."
8) When I offer that the drivers are bad and the battery percentages are incorrect: "That's ridiculous. I own the phone. It's the 4g draining the battery. It's been confirmed. So you'll just have to deal with it"
9) The battery is red hot sometimes so tmobile sent me a new battery: "That won't work. It's not a battery issue. They shouldn't have sent you a battery"
I actually made him sound better than he was. Had you seen his face and heard the tone of his voice you would have smashed your phone into his mouth.
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Wat a Motherf****
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jacob808 said:
Actually it's the android OS that is killing the battery. Try comparing the battery life to a Windows Mobile OS phone and you'll notice that the Android OS eats up huge amounts of battery when not even activley using the handset and just on standby, while Windows mobile OS will conserve the battery and sustain battery life just as well as the "dumb phones" of 2007.
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F*** winmo go suck a ****
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hahahaha he sd his partline is 2 inches wide
jacob808 said:
More proof it's the Android operating system that is the cause for battery drainage even when not activley using phone.
http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-19736_7-20058834-251.html#addcomm
And as for the salesman that's giving you a hard time about returning it saying it's not a big deal recharging the battery twice, let him know that lithium batteries have a limited amount of recharge cycles and the more you recharge the batteries the faster you hit the battery limit and it's no longer good. I believe the average lithium battery is 500 recharge cycles.
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You do realize that the Android OS has more going on in the background that the iPhone and WIN**** 7, right? If you remove all of your widgets (that are updating themselves), turn off Facebook/Twitter sync and everything else that is automatically doing stuff in the background except for the essentials like email and calendar. Your Android device will have as good of battery as the others which consist of pages of icons and tiles. I only have 2 home screens with some icons on my G2X and if I take it off the charger at 5AM it still has 99-100 percent battery when I wake it for the first time at 7AM. When I get off work at 3PM after using my phone most of the day (moderate to heavy use) it is always reading above 30% which will last me until I go to bed at 11PM when I continue to use my phone with light use. People just don't understand how much battery certain features that are constantly updating themselves use. Just remember. You can't have the most powerful smart phone OS and the best battery too.
I have an Infuse that I got a little over two years ago. It started out with Froyo and I installed the official Gingerbread update after using the phone for a while. Long story short, I will need to keep it for a while yet so I can't just upgrade through my carrier (AT&T).
Here's my problem. A few months ago, I very abruptly had a battery problem. One day I had a normal recharge/discharge cycle in terms of how long the battery lasted (usually around 60% remaining when I plugged it in at night), and the next day the entire battery was drained in less than 14 hours. I typically leave it plugged in at work now, whereas before I could go for almost two days without needing to charge. Nothing changed in how much I used it. I had not installed any new programs.
I want to try to fix this phone before forking over money for a new one. Does anyone have an idea of what is going on here? Looking at my battery usage stats, "cell standby" seems to be in 1st or 2nd place for battery drain, depending on how much the screen has been on (with typical use for me, "display" is usually #1, but if I've not checked my messages or email much, that drops down to 2nd-4th place with cell standby at the top). I'm not sure if that info is of any help.
Someone told me recently that he had a similar problem with a (different) older phone, and someone had told him that some of the older technology in the towers was being phased out and the phone was draining its battery looking for a signal that wasn't as strong anymore due to there being fewer towers it could get a signal from. Is that true?
Thanks to whoever can give me any assistance. If you need more info please ask.
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I have an Infuse that I got a little over two years ago. It started out with Froyo and I installed the official Gingerbread update after using the phone for a while. Long story short, I will need to keep it for a while yet so I can't just upgrade through my carrier (AT&T).
Here's my problem. A few months ago, I very abruptly had a battery problem. One day I had a normal recharge/discharge cycle in terms of how long the battery lasted (usually around 60% remaining when I plugged it in at night), and the next day the entire battery was drained in less than 14 hours. I typically leave it plugged in at work now, whereas before I could go for almost two days without needing to charge. Nothing changed in how much I used it. I had not installed any new programs.
I want to try to fix this phone before forking over money for a new one. Does anyone have an idea of what is going on here? Looking at my battery usage stats, "cell standby" seems to be in 1st or 2nd place for battery drain, depending on how much the screen has been on (with typical use for me, "display" is usually #1, but if I've not checked my messages or email much, that drops down to 2nd-4th place with cell standby at the top). I'm not sure if that info is of any help.
Someone told me recently that he had a similar problem with a (different) older phone, and someone had told him that some of the older technology in the towers was being phased out and the phone was draining its battery looking for a signal that wasn't as strong anymore due to there being fewer towers it could get a signal from. Is that true?
Thanks to whoever can give me any assistance. If you need more info please ask.
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Lets rule out any obvious culprit by installing Wakelock Detector, and letting it run until the battery becomes low (then post the stats). There may be an app that stands out.
I have a similar issue with my current phone. It is sporadic, and I think it is a process within Android Services that came with Fly-On Mod (once a week I have bad battery but a reboot fixes it, only discovered it after installing Fly-On). Haven't bothered removing it yet because a latest ROM update seems imminent and I would rather wait for that if I'm wiping everything.
Anyone experiencing poor battery life after this latest patch?
My mobile network battery is very high and I'm on wifi.
Ideas?
The latest patch as in the one that released today? If so, high usage is normal for a few days. If it's the update from last month, you might consider a factory reset and setting all your apps up from scratch. Time consuming for sure but gives you a clean slate with the battery.
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The latest patch as in the one that released today? If so, high usage is normal for a few days. If it's the update from last month, you might consider a factory reset and setting all your apps up from scratch. Time consuming for sure but gives you a clean slate with the battery.
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I concur with this assuming you're on the May update which only just was released. I'd be patient and report back after a few days at least.
EtherealRemnant said:
The latest patch as in the one that released today? If so, high usage is normal for a few days. If it's the update from last month, you might consider a factory reset and setting all your apps up from scratch. Time consuming for sure but gives you a clean slate with the battery.
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I just updated to the April patch due to a rooting error and reinstalled from scratch. Phone was fine prior to that.
Guess I'll just update to the newest one and see what happens? The strange thing is the high mobile network battery usage
stslimited84 said:
I just updated to the April patch due to a rooting error and reinstalled from scratch. Phone was fine prior to that.
Guess I'll just update to the newest one and see what happens? The strange thing is the high mobile network battery usage
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If you just set your phone up from scratch, you have to give it a few weeks to learn your usage patterns.
EtherealRemnant said:
If you just set your phone up from scratch, you have to give it a few weeks to learn your usage patterns.
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I understand. Reason I posted is this is new behavior that didn't happen previously combined with the culprit being mobile network battery drain. Appreciate your responses
stslimited84 said:
I understand. Reason I posted is this is new behavior that didn't happen previously combined with the culprit being mobile network battery drain. Appreciate your responses
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Yep, this is what I see too, I posted the pics in another forum and got a number of "that's odd" comments, where my overnight drain due to the mobile radio was crazy-high (this happened back in the Nov timeframe, fixed with the Jan update, and started again with March, pretty consistent, for me).
I typically charge in the AM, wirelessly, while I catch up on emails and such, so the phone had light use all day, and the bulk of the discharge was from 12A until around 9A, when it was not in-use.
We're located in a suburban area with very strong LTE and decent 5G towers all nearby, with (almost) always very low (e.g. "good") dBM signal values, for the mobile radio.
I flashed the April update as soon as it was released. I have also noticed that my battery life has been a bit worse on the April update.
Furthermore, I also root my phone. However, I always do a full wipe and fresh install with each update. So, I can confirm that there does indeed seem to be a potential battery drain issue on the April build. And as you have stated, I believe that it has something to do with the mobile data scanning. However, when I stay connected to WiFi, my battery doesn't drain as quickly as it does when I turn WiFi off.
Regardless, the May update has released today and so I'll likely be updating to that tonight to see whether or not this faster battery drain issue continues.
*Edit* - The May update - although only running on my device for around 12 hours - does seem to have improved that battery drain issue that was visible on the April factory image. However, this mobile data battery issue could very well be a result of Google pushing out all of these carrier service updates. Of which, they are presumably doing so in order to test the stock OS setup for their two new devices that will be launching within the next month: the Pixel 7A and the Pixel Phold. Therefore, if carrier service testing was the culprit of this issue, then I wouldn't be surprised if we see this issue pop up again due to further mobile data stability/reliability testing.
*Edit 2* - May update was installed for a few days. My battery life is MUCH better. It is essentially how it was prior to the April update.
pgrey2 said:
Yep, this is what I see too, I posted the pics in another forum and got a number of "that's odd" comments, where my overnight drain due to the mobile radio was crazy-high (this happened back in the Nov timeframe, fixed with the Jan update, and started again with March, pretty consistent, for me).
I typically charge in the AM, wirelessly, while I catch up on emails and such, so the phone had light use all day, and the bulk of the discharge was from 12A until around 9A, when it was not in-use.
We're located in a suburban area with very strong LTE and decent 5G towers all nearby, with (almost) always very low (e.g. "good") dBM signal values, for the mobile radio.
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Did you find any fixes? i updated to the May build and the issue is even WORSE. Phone idle for last two hours after full charge, down 12% already from mobile wifi data. Its literally sitting screen off burning 6% per hour
four hours of on time after full charge. 15% battery discharge - done by mobile network....ive been on wifi the whole time.
what gives?
stslimited84 said:
Did you find any fixes? i updated to the May build and the issue is even WORSE. Phone idle for last two hours after full charge, down 12% already from mobile wifi data. Its literally sitting screen off burning 6% per hour
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On the AndroidCentral forums a user referenced an actual Google support thread (which had been locked, interestingly), where they had supposedly been told, by support, to revert to 3G.
That's sort of tough to believe though, if you ask me, given the fact most carriers in Google's largest Pixel market sun-setted 3G some time ago (my carrier, TMo, did it last summer, not that I cared much, but I was tracking things).
I'd say they might have confused 3G/4G-LTE, except that they specifically called out moving from 5G/4G-LTE -> 3G, weird, eh?
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four hours of on time after full charge. 15% battery discharge - done by mobile network....ive been on wifi the whole time.
what gives?
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I would bet this is because the algorithmic calculation is done based on carrier-type use, which would involve pretty much any interrupts regarding phone/sms/rcs.
My guess anyway, I tried this too, one night, and saw a similar deal.
Whatever the cause may be, it's software related and it's very aggravating. Phone was fine a few days ago
I had the same problem with the April update. due to a change of contract i now only have lte, no more 5g. Since then the battery has held up like it used to.
I have to wonder what some people are doing to make their phones...or batteries...so awful?
I have the latest May, 2023 update installed. I happened to sideload the OTA instead of waiting but I do not think that makes any difference in the end. However, the very first thing I noticed was that everything seemed a little smoother??? (placebo effect??)
The very next thing I noticed was battery life...mine improved exponentially and it wasn't bad before the update!
For example I removed the phone off of the Google wireless charger around 5 AM, then I used it on Android Auto for a round trip of about 33 miles, and when I got home (four hours off the charger) I was STILL AT 100% Hand-of-God!
When I went to bed around 9:30 PM (yes, I'm getting old) the phone was at 90%...honest to GOD again!
Looked at the battery again around 6 AM and it was at 85%. The phone was on all night with DND activated, but everything else active.
I can only guess that one of two things are happening here...either some of you have installed crap-apps that have hosed your phones, or.....you have defective phones/batteries.
YMMV
I haven't noticed much of a change with the battery after applying the March update, purposely left the phone off the changer overnight with battery at 100% (12am) - looked at the phone at 6am and percentage was down to 97%.
Whatever the cause may be, it's software related and it's very aggravating. Phone was fine a few days
jaseman said:
I have to wonder what some people are doing to make their phones...or batteries...so awful?
I have the latest May, 2023 update installed. I happened to sideload the OTA instead of waiting but I do not think that makes any difference in the end. However, the very first thing I noticed was that everything seemed a little smoother??? (placebo effect??)
The very next thing I noticed was battery life...mine improved exponentially and it wasn't bad before the update!
For example I removed the phone off of the Google wireless charger around 5 AM, then I used it on Android Auto for a round trip of about 33 miles, and when I got home (four hours off the charger) I was STILL AT 100% Hand-of-God!
When I went to bed around 9:30 PM (yes, I'm getting old) the phone was at 90%...honest to GOD again!
Looked at the battery again around 6 AM and it was at 85%. The phone was on all night with DND activated, but everything else active.
I can only guess that one of two things are happening here...either some of you have installed crap-apps that have hosed your phones, or.....you have defective phones/batteries.
YMMV
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did you read the post or just decide it was user error b/c your battery life is fine right now?
There were multiple pictures posted of the mobile network battery drain which has been documented elsewhere and confirmed by another user in the thread.
Battery life was great until the April update then the mobile network drain started which hasn't been corrected by multiple updates and full wipes.
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I haven't noticed much of a change with the battery after applying the March update, purposely left the phone off the changer overnight with battery at 100% (12am) - looked at the phone at 6am and percentage was down to 97%.
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that's how mine was previously
May update. Great as usual. Avg 6-7hrs SoT (which am happy with, consider i have 8 running app services and near 24h vpn)
stslimited84 said:
Battery life was great....
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Well, I wouldn't go THAT far....