I went to the tmobile store I always go to earlier today, and was attempting to explain a certain issue I was having (something under the screen, at the very top, appears to have come unglued).
This tool informed me promptly that he was the LG rep for this store, and he immediately began defending the phone, despite the fact that I wasn't in there for any of the issues he began to explain away ( I didn't bring any issue up aside from the one I came in for). So here's his rundown of the issues, and how they'll deal with them. I only got into this at all because he began to list problems without my asking, saying after each that the effect on the phone is minimal for normal users
1) Battery issues: "It isn't that big a deal. You have to charge it twice instead of once. Not a huge issue for most. An extra car charge on the ride home from work"
2) When I answered that it sometimes only lasts 8-10 hours with minimal use: "Right, as I said, it'll take two charges instead of one. After work charge it up, then again when you go to sleep. Not really a big inconvenience"
3) Informed of the fact that I have had several instances where I was forced to do a factory reset because the phone got the sleep of death: "It's a known issue and it will be handled with an update this summer. No smartphone is ever perfect when it's released."
4) When I said I've had a g1 and a Nexus One and both had better battery life and no reboot issues: "It's a known fact that the G1 had one of the worst batteries ever in a smartphone, so I know that's not true. The Nexus One has horrendous signal problems. HTC always brings half baked products to the market. The Sensation will be the same thing"
5) I show him my screen problem again: "It's not a known issue, so we can't do an exchange."
6) Informed that every issue had to be unknown at some point: "Everything listed here is a known issue and will be fixed with a summer update. In the meantime, if you're still in the 14 day grace period, you can return the phone. If not, you'll have to deal with it. Or sell it and buy the Sensation (I brought up the Sensation earlier)"
7) What exactly is the issue? "The phone constantly runs 4g, or tries to find a 4g connection, even on wifi, which is draining the battery."
8) When I offer that the drivers are bad and the battery percentages are incorrect: "That's ridiculous. I own the phone. It's the 4g draining the battery. It's been confirmed. So you'll just have to deal with it"
9) The battery is red hot sometimes so tmobile sent me a new battery: "That won't work. It's not a battery issue. They shouldn't have sent you a battery"
I actually made him sound better than he was. Had you seen his face and heard the tone of his voice you would have smashed your phone into his mouth.
I would have returned it. You are within your exchange period and it is a product YOU bought. If it isn't up to standards then it should be replaced. I would have returned it on spite of him being a dbag and bought it somewhere else (another store).
The battery driver is wonked and fixable, the screen is hardware and, if bad, should be replaced.
I find it easier to just tell them something software wise (even if it isn't). Of course they'll try to factory reset it but say "been there done that, it still does it. I want to exchange it for another one". They can't test random events.
LG G2x - CM7 2.3.4
If you are within your exchange period there is no reason to even talk to a guy like that. Return it if you choose to. Exchange it if you prefer. Then feel free to bad mouth in front of other customers due to him arguing with a customer rather than looking for solutions. The reps in the store don't even have to listen to a darn thing that yahoo says.
I used to hate it when these tools were in mystores. Some of them would actually interfere if you were selling a different product.
G2x with CM7 and faux kernel
Actually it's the android OS that is killing the battery. Try comparing the battery life to a Windows Mobile OS phone and you'll notice that the Android OS eats up huge amounts of battery when not even activley using the handset and just on standby, while Windows mobile OS will conserve the battery and sustain battery life just as well as the "dumb phones" of 2007.
Well 4g is killing the battery. I'd say it's the biggest culprit here. Battery life between wifi and 4g is night and day. Did the douche say that part was being fixed?
donutman said:
Well 4g is killing the battery. I'd say it's the biggest culprit here. Battery life between wifi and 4g is night and day. Did the douche say that part was being fixed?
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He said in a summer update everything will be fixed. When I asked if he thinks it's okay that people might have to wait over three months for the phone to work properly, he said no phone is perfect out of the box, again. And reiterated that charging the phone "one extra time a day isn't going to kill anyone."
He interrupted me quite a bit too, which is the only reason I began to pester him in return. Normally I'm in and out of there with no trouble at all. I mean, it's not like I was trying to scam anyone, I had/have a legitimate concern.
Sorry for the rant last night...I was still fuming.
donutman said:
Well 4g is killing the battery. I'd say it's the biggest culprit here. Battery life between wifi and 4g is night and day. Did the douche say that part was being fixed?
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More proof it's the Android operating system that is the cause for battery drainage even when not activley using phone.
http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-19736_7-20058834-251.html#addcomm
And as for the salesman that's giving you a hard time about returning it saying it's not a big deal recharging the battery twice, let him know that lithium batteries have a limited amount of recharge cycles and the more you recharge the batteries the faster you hit the battery limit and it's no longer good. I believe the average lithium battery is 500 recharge cycles.
what store is this and where? NExt time go in there get on his bad side start dissing lg enough to get him worked up then pull a fight-club on his ass!
get face to face with him and make it look like he pushed you into a display(make sure it breaks and makes lots of noise also best to do this on a sat afternoon with lots of people in there) then start screaming dont hurt me! Dont hurt me! ....voilA! now you can buy the tmo store from the lawsuit money and fire his ass!
Seriously people THEY DONT CARE. No big corporation gives a rats ass. WHat you should have done was video'd hiss ass saying all those slanderous things about htc and call them up and ask them if they are interested in lg sladering htc ...heh heh . I think its a culmination of all parties. android, 4g , bad drivers, etc.
Not enough R&D. and I loved my hd2 one of the best phones i Ever owned so f that guy.
I hate to say it but at this point I think the best we can do is gather as much evidence as possible. Document EVERYTHING your phone does. light bleed, reset etc. keep a daily log of your phones f-ups. IM sure a class action lawsuit will make lg change their mind. a 500$ phone that doesnt work the way its supposed to? Wait until the update comes out. who knows maybe itl fix everything(doubt it). after that people should seriously think about suing them. fix the phone or gives us 500$. Looks like apple has set the standard when somthing goes wrong:
"no its not"
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freakboy13 said:
what store is this and where? NExt time go in there get on his bad side start dissing lg enough to get him worked up then pull a fight-club on his ass!
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The store is in Blackwood, NJ if anyone cares to visit. He has glasses, and Alex P Keaton hair parted in the middle, but he's going bald so the partline is like 2 inches wide.
Wifi- loose 10% battery in like 30-40 minutes of use.
4g- loose 10 % battery in 15 minutes. :-/
Profondo_Rosso said:
I went to the tmobile store I always go to earlier today, and was attempting to explain a certain issue I was having (something under the screen, at the very top, appears to have come unglued).
This tool informed me promptly that he was the LG rep for this store, and he immediately began defending the phone, despite the fact that I wasn't in there for any of the issues he began to explain away ( I didn't bring any issue up aside from the one I came in for). So here's his rundown of the issues, and how they'll deal with them. I only got into this at all because he began to list problems without my asking, saying after each that the effect on the phone is minimal for normal users
1) Battery issues: "It isn't that big a deal. You have to charge it twice instead of once. Not a huge issue for most. An extra car charge on the ride home from work"
2) When I answered that it sometimes only lasts 8-10 hours with minimal use: "Right, as I said, it'll take two charges instead of one. After work charge it up, then again when you go to sleep. Not really a big inconvenience"
3) Informed of the fact that I have had several instances where I was forced to do a factory reset because the phone got the sleep of death: "It's a known issue and it will be handled with an update this summer. No smartphone is ever perfect when it's released."
4) When I said I've had a g1 and a Nexus One and both had better battery life and no reboot issues: "It's a known fact that the G1 had one of the worst batteries ever in a smartphone, so I know that's not true. The Nexus One has horrendous signal problems. HTC always brings half baked products to the market. The Sensation will be the same thing"
5) I show him my screen problem again: "It's not a known issue, so we can't do an exchange."
6) Informed that every issue had to be unknown at some point: "Everything listed here is a known issue and will be fixed with a summer update. In the meantime, if you're still in the 14 day grace period, you can return the phone. If not, you'll have to deal with it. Or sell it and buy the Sensation (I brought up the Sensation earlier)"
7) What exactly is the issue? "The phone constantly runs 4g, or tries to find a 4g connection, even on wifi, which is draining the battery."
8) When I offer that the drivers are bad and the battery percentages are incorrect: "That's ridiculous. I own the phone. It's the 4g draining the battery. It's been confirmed. So you'll just have to deal with it"
9) The battery is red hot sometimes so tmobile sent me a new battery: "That won't work. It's not a battery issue. They shouldn't have sent you a battery"
I actually made him sound better than he was. Had you seen his face and heard the tone of his voice you would have smashed your phone into his mouth.
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Wat a Motherf****
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jacob808 said:
Actually it's the android OS that is killing the battery. Try comparing the battery life to a Windows Mobile OS phone and you'll notice that the Android OS eats up huge amounts of battery when not even activley using the handset and just on standby, while Windows mobile OS will conserve the battery and sustain battery life just as well as the "dumb phones" of 2007.
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F*** winmo go suck a ****
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hahahaha he sd his partline is 2 inches wide
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More proof it's the Android operating system that is the cause for battery drainage even when not activley using phone.
http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-19736_7-20058834-251.html#addcomm
And as for the salesman that's giving you a hard time about returning it saying it's not a big deal recharging the battery twice, let him know that lithium batteries have a limited amount of recharge cycles and the more you recharge the batteries the faster you hit the battery limit and it's no longer good. I believe the average lithium battery is 500 recharge cycles.
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You do realize that the Android OS has more going on in the background that the iPhone and WIN**** 7, right? If you remove all of your widgets (that are updating themselves), turn off Facebook/Twitter sync and everything else that is automatically doing stuff in the background except for the essentials like email and calendar. Your Android device will have as good of battery as the others which consist of pages of icons and tiles. I only have 2 home screens with some icons on my G2X and if I take it off the charger at 5AM it still has 99-100 percent battery when I wake it for the first time at 7AM. When I get off work at 3PM after using my phone most of the day (moderate to heavy use) it is always reading above 30% which will last me until I go to bed at 11PM when I continue to use my phone with light use. People just don't understand how much battery certain features that are constantly updating themselves use. Just remember. You can't have the most powerful smart phone OS and the best battery too.
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Ok guys, I have been an Android fan since I got my first OG Droid back in Dec '09. I really wanted this Thunderbolt since it was announced. First thing I did when I got it was test the 4G speed. Friggin unbelievable.
What else is unbelievable is the damn battery drain. I honestly cant stand it. My OG Droid was not this bad. It was bad, yes, but not like this. I am charging probably 2 times a day, with not that much use.
I downloaded the app to turn off 4G, but what good is that? I got the phone because of the 4G!!!! I turn off widgets. i turn off auto-sync. I did the whole battery charge thing, i.e. turn off after full charge, take battery out, etc.....
Then when charing the battery it takes like 4-5 times longer to charge the damn thing. what is up with that? my OG Droid took way less then half the time to get a full charge?
get this, the other night, right before bed I had a 1/2 charge on my battery. at home i leave wifi on because it was said that it is less of a battery drain then the 4g. well, when i woke up by phone wouldnt turn on at all. it was completely dead. the weird thing is, this isnt all the time. the battery has a life of its own!!!!!
now you will tell me to root it and try a rom with a custom kernel. anyone who roots knows that once you do it you are constantly looking for the perfect rom. and guess what, you will never find it. with my OG Droid i probably had a new rom every 2 weeks or so. i really dont want to keep doing that over and over.
so if anyone can convince me otherwise, give a good reason to not switch I am 99% sure that I am going to iphone 4.
Cool story bro. Enjoy your iPhone.
i guess i'm just frustrated, if you couldnet tell.
do you no have issues with your bolt
AisforAustin?
For me, it's all about if you want' Apple to control your technology needs and provide to you what THEY deem necessary and be part of the mindless clan (watch the movie Metropolis, the Giorgio Moroder 1984 version). Then iphone will do for you. On the other hand, if you enjoy taking on technology and thinking for youself, and yes, finding delight in changing your ROM every 2 weeks, and learning from others, and learning from your mistakes, then DROID is for you
I have been happy with my bolt. I came from the Droid X which had very good battery life for me. At first I was a bit iffy about my bolts life, but since I dont have 4G yet I turned off the radio and that helped. Now I am undervolted, bloat free, and monitoring all the **** that is running in the background. Battery lasts me a lot longer than I thought. When 4G comes to my area this year, I will lost a bit of that life, but I'm fine with that. You have to remember, these aren't just phones anymore. They are computers basically. You aren't going to get the same life on any of these smartphones as you would on a RAZR.
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Ok guys, I have been an Android fan since I got my first OG Droid back in Dec '09. I really wanted this Thunderbolt since it was announced. First thing I did when I got it was test the 4G speed. Friggin unbelievable.
What else is unbelievable is the damn battery drain. I honestly cant stand it. My OG Droid was not this bad. It was bad, yes, but not like this. I am charging probably 2 times a day, with not that much use.
I downloaded the app to turn off 4G, but what good is that? I got the phone because of the 4G!!!! I turn off widgets. i turn off auto-sync. I did the whole battery charge thing, i.e. turn off after full charge, take battery out, etc.....
Then when charing the battery it takes like 4-5 times longer to charge the damn thing. what is up with that? my OG Droid took way less then half the time to get a full charge?
get this, the other night, right before bed I had a 1/2 charge on my battery. at home i leave wifi on because it was said that it is less of a battery drain then the 4g. well, when i woke up by phone wouldnt turn on at all. it was completely dead. the weird thing is, this isnt all the time. the battery has a life of its own!!!!!
now you will tell me to root it and try a rom with a custom kernel. anyone who roots knows that once you do it you are constantly looking for the perfect rom. and guess what, you will never find it. with my OG Droid i probably had a new rom every 2 weeks or so. i really dont want to keep doing that over and over.
so if anyone can convince me otherwise, give a good reason to not switch I am 99% sure that I am going to iphone 4.
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No offense but last time I checked you decided to jump ship on your own and go with a device that uses a new technology which I'm going to assume you were smart enough to know there would be some kinks and bugs to iron out...
You can't possibly expect 4G to be perfect and better on battery life from the get go, not to mention I turn my 4G off when I'm not using it and I can get a day and a half out of my phone no problem. Secondly why do you need 4G on when you're not even using it? How hard is it to flip the switch off when you're updating your twitter or facebook timeline? Do you really need 4G for a two second process on 3G? If you're surfing the internet fine, streaming video fine, but why is it necessary on simple quick tasks or during standby or sleep?
I'm just saying your expectations were probably too high of a premature technology from the get go, also you're utilizing something you don't need all of the time.
trust me i have been a loyal android fan but this experience is just killin me. i understand that this phone does more but come on, they really have to do something about the battery.
as for custom roms, i am good for it but as i said they all have ups and downs and i just dont want to keep messing with them once i find a major flaw, something of which all the custom roms have.
its not that i want to go and have apple dictate what i can and cant do with my phone. but you have to admit that google / manufacturers are letting all these developers do their work for them. they put out a 1/2 ass piece of work knowing that some developer on xda will come out with a root and a rom to fix their screw up.
i dont know, like i said, i'm just frustrated......
jasonbiggs said:
For me, it's all about if you want' Apple to control your technology needs and provide to you what THEY deem necessary and be part of the mindless clan (watch the movie Metropolis, the Giorgio Moroder 1984 version). Then iphone will do for you. On the other hand, if you enjoy taking on technology and thinking for youself, and yes, finding delight in changing your ROM every 2 weeks, and learning from others, and learning from your mistakes, then DROID is for you
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ANDROID is for you. It's not called the DROID OS, it's Android. I'd prefer not to have people start calling every android device a DROID like they call all MP3 players iPods even if they are not
I personally came from apple and would NEVER go back. Everything is so locked down. 1 app store with what apple wants in it. A new phone every year (which basically just matches what android has released years ago). I mean but yea battery go with iPhone since being locked down gives you better battery life.
Oh and personally with major usage my phone lasts at least 10 hours. Which I'm pretty sure is close to the iPhone.
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eddyo78 said:
trust me i have been a loyal android fan but this experience is just killin me. i understand that this phone does more but come on, they really have to do something about the battery.
as for custom roms, i am good for it but as i said they all have ups and downs and i just dont want to keep messing with them once i find a major flaw, something of which all the custom roms have.
its not that i want to go and have apple dictate what i can and cant do with my phone. but you have to admit that google / manufacturers are letting all these developers do their work for them. they put out a 1/2 ass piece of work knowing that some developer on xda will come out with a root and a rom to fix their screw up.
i dont know, like i said, i'm just frustrated......
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Ever heard of Cyanogenmod?
DigitalDementia said:
No offense but last time I checked you decided to jump ship on your own and go with a device that uses a new technology which I'm going to assume you were smart enough to know there would be some kinks and bugs to iron out...
You can't possibly expect 4G to be perfect and better on battery life from the get go, not to mention I turn my 4G off when I'm not using it and I can get a day and a half out of my phone no problem. Secondly why do you need 4G on when you're not even using it? How hard is it to flip the switch off when you're updating your twitter or facebook timeline? Do you really need 4G for a two second process on 3G? If you're surfing the internet fine, streaming video fine, but why is it necessary on simple quick tasks or during standby or sleep?
I'm just saying your expectations were probably too high of a premature technology from the get go, also you're utilizing something you don't need all of the time.
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in my opinion, this release of 4g from verizon and htc, is not the best that they could have done. most likely they held releasing the bolt because of the battery issue then got some backlash for constantly pushing it out. guess what, there is still a problem.
i just dont understand why i would need to constantly switch back and forth between 4g and 3g, just seems dumb to me. its like having high speed internet at home and switching between my fios and dialup based on what i need at the time. duh. this may be the fix for now, but come on.
plus, my battery issues have been with 4g off, auto-sync off, no widgets. and still have a drain.
I would atleast wait for the first update to see if they fix or improve upon some of these issues.
So let me get this straight, you hate the idea of using 3g on the TB, but like the idea of switching to a 3g phone?
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First of all, I love my Thunderbolt and do not have battery issues. The only time the battery drains is when I use it what I would deem excessively throughout the day. Maybe you have a bad battery? I am not sure, but my phone gets me through a day, and even if it starts to run short, I can plug it in in my car on the way home, which is no inconvenience to me, and it has MORE than enough juice for the rest of the night. Something is definitely eating up your battery though, because the other night I went out drinking and came home drunk with only about 20% left on my battery from the days use. I was too buzzed to bother plugging in the phone, so it was the first time I went to bed with the phone unplugged. I woke up 12 hours later to around 10% battery life.
Also, if you want to go iPhone, then have fun. I gave up a long time ago trying to convince people one is better than the other. It is a pointless argument. I will tell you this though. I have some friends who have iPhone 4s through their job. This was where I first saw the iPhone 4 in the public. To begin with the screen is TINY! People can rave all they want about the retina display, but the small screen does not make it worth the higher resolution in my opinion. Also, if you think owning an iPhone is going to keep you from cord diving to charge your phone, think again. All those guys I know are constantly plugging their phone in throughout the day to get a little bit of a charge here and there so they make it through the day.
This is all just my opinions/experience though, and you have fun doing whatever you are going to do.
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Ever heard of Cyanogenmod?
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Yes, do they have a stable release for the Bolt now? If so I would love to try it out. Anyone have results on battery life with their latest release?
eddyo78 said:
in my opinion, this release of 4g from verizon and htc, is not the best that they could have done. most likely they held releasing the bolt because of the battery issue then got some backlash for constantly pushing it out. guess what, there is still a problem.
i just dont understand why i would need to constantly switch back and forth between 4g and 3g, just seems dumb to me. its like having high speed internet at home and switching between my fios and dialup based on what i need at the time. duh. this may be the fix for now, but come on.
plus, my battery issues have been with 4g off, auto-sync off, no widgets. and still have a drain.
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I'll tell you what guy, no one here really cares for your incessant whining, or your more than obvious trolling. We have better things to do with our days than listen to you whine and complain about a decision you made because you were too incompetent to wait and see reviews, or wait for the technology to mature.
Go to a Verizon store return your Thunderbolt get an iPhone 4 (Which is 9 months old) instead and then go whine in their forums about how you miss your 4.3inch touchscreen, your 4G speeds, your true multi-tasking, and custom roms.
Not to mention you can piss and moan with them when the iPhone 5 comes out with it's dual core processor and 4inch touchscreen.
If a mod could close down this troll thread that would be fantastic. On that note I bid you good day sir.
there does seem to be an issue with the stock ROM using 34mA of idle current from the 7 days of data i gathered on 2 stock units. where as other android phones pull 5mA of idle current. so i'm guessing that the thunderbolt delay in being released had something to do with this, and its STILL not quite on par with other android phones.
the option is to not use the stock TB rom, instead try cm7 or an aosp based ROM and see if the current draw returns to normal.
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Yes, do they have a stable release for the Bolt now? If so I would love to try it out. Anyone have results on battery life with their latest release?
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They just got 3G/4G working today however you aren't patient enough and don't care about freedom of your device so go grab an iPhone instead like I just stated.
DigitalDementia said:
They just got 3G/4G working today however you aren't patient enough and don't care about freedom of your device so go grab an iPhone instead like I just stated.
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holy crap, DigitalDementia, did someone piss in your cheerios this morning?
I was going to say that you guys are turning me around, but you had nothing to do with it. My God, I feel sorry for you!
I will give CM7 a try tonight and see how it goes. If I am still having issues I'll get Verizon to give me a new battery as that could be it. I really didnt like the idea of going but am just getting tired of charging this thing so much.
I'll let you guys know how it goes and Digital, please take a chill pill. Dont want you to go postal or anything just because I was thinking of switching.
Is your charger working correctly? Try a different one. I had similar problems with another device draining while plugged in. It was a faulty charger. As for the battery life during the day, I have only had problems once with my TB.
Ok, I realize this is beating a dead horse, but the battery life in my Droid Pro is beyond pathetic. I actually burn through a battery (with light to moderate usage) faster than I can charge one lol. I am on my third battery today and it's not even noon. I'm in the red on the third one and the first is still not done charging (using a separate external wall charger). This is stupid.
Androids going through battery really quickly has always been a complaint, actually I hear that complaint about almost every smart phone. In my android experience, If I pull my phone off the charger at 8am, it should be about dead by 8pm, if I have only used the phone minimally. If I'm listening to radio, or playing some games, or just keeping my phone awake for a while, my phone will be dead by 3-4pm.
Your case seems a little extreme, and all I can recommend is using a power widget to turn on and off all your basic stuff. turn the brightness all the way down if you don't need it, or try auto. Keep bluetooth, wireless, and GPS off until you need it. Also, personally, I only let my phone sync while wifi is on, otherwise leaving sync on all the time kills my battery. All I can say is do the basic things people recommend to extend your battery life. I know with my first android phone, I kept everything on, all the time, and the battery sucked horribly, but turning them on and off through settings was really annoying to do everytime, so with a widget on the desktop for that stuff I don't mind it at all anymore.
You also just may have an app or two that's destroying your battery. I can't recommend anything off the top of my head, but there are apps that give you a general idea of where all your battery is going.
Yeah, I keep GPS and bluetooth off. Also, I downloaded the app killer and hit that several times a day. What I don't get (total droid newbie here) is why, when I hit the app killer, it says that it killed 13 apps. 13 apps? Why in the world are 13 apps running? The phone is just sitting there. I'll hit the app killer again (20-30 minutes later) and another 12 or 13 apps get KO'd. It's crazy. But yes, I know I've got something stupid going on but I guess I'm just too dumb to figure it out. I've only had this for a couple of days and, as my ID suggests, I came from Blackberry.
Get rid of app killers, Android 2.2 and beyond do not need it, you're doing your battery worse.
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Ok, I realize this is beating a dead horse, but the battery life in my Droid Pro is beyond pathetic. I actually burn through a battery (with light to moderate usage) faster than I can charge one lol. I am on my third battery today and it's not even noon. I'm in the red on the third one and the first is still not done charging (using a separate external wall charger). This is stupid.
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This battery life issue is what's going to bring Android down. Google needs to get a handle on it because the more and more people who come to Android from iPhone or something else and experience this issue will inevitably have a less than content experience.
You are right, this could be a deal breaker for me. Yes, the blackberry browser sucks, but I'm seriously teetering on whether or not that is the lessor of two evils. I'm on day four with the droid. Granted, I haven't spent a ton of time dissecting this device, but I don't really have a ton of time to give...nor do I want to carry a half dozen batteries with me
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Get rid of app killers, Android 2.2 and beyond do not need it, you're doing your battery worse.
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Does the newer software kill the app when you leave it? I know with the Blackberry, you had to close the app or it would keep running in the background. I really have no clue how the droid works. Forgive me for being so droid retarded, but I've had no formal training lol.
And, BTW, this is the first electronic device I've bought that came with no manual. To me, that's super funny!
Android 2.2 only kills the application if the memory goes below a certain threshold to keep the system from clogging up.
yeah...android phones' battery is a bitterly troublesome issue!
Honestly, sounds like some faulty batteries here. I have a Desire HD and I listen to 2 hours of music and play close to an hour of games with another hour of web browsing a day on it. I tend to make perhaps 10 minutes of phone calls and I have autosync on for my gmail (but nothing else) and I dont have to charge it during the day at all. I am however in strong signal areas which makes a massive difference.
So I have two Samsung Droid Charges on my account.
One of them is completely stock, very minimal apps because it is a work phone and has to comply with provisioning standards for my company.
One is my personal phone, which I have rooted and have used various versions of Gummy and Humble, currently running Gummy 2.0 with the EP1Q radio.
While I absolutely love the screen and form-factor of this phone (even the hardware buttons), it seems to have a fatal flaw that I cannot abide. Verizon and Samsung both seem to be oblivious to the issue, but I have experienced it on both phones in several major markets (Atlanta, Charlotte, Norfolk, Richmond, etc).
Occasionally, my phone will simply lose all signal. It will display a 4G/3G/1x icon depending on my coverage area, but the bars will be empty with an "X" and I am unable to make phone calls or send text messages.
At other times, the data connection will simply disappear for no reason, even when I have solid coverage. There are areas where I know I have good service (my office, my home) and I simply lose data for no reason.
Each of these issues occurs randomly as I will have one phone sitting next to the other with signal or data, while the other one does not have it.
Sometimes switching airplane mode on/off will work, but usually I end up having to reboot the phone.
I am posting this to see if there are others experiencing these same issues because Verizon is giving me some push back, insisting that I go through the replacement process (receive a refurb Charge), despite the fact that one of the phones is already a replacement and one was a retail unit off the shelf, indicating the issue is - if not widespread - certainly not isolated.
If there are more people notifying Verizon, they may make it easier for those of us who experience these issues and cannot wait for a software update for which Samsung is notoriously slow at releasing.
(Side Note: The issue seems to be way worse in 3G coverage areas, but it also happens in 4G areas.)
its a known bug with the modems a lot of people have data drop problems. hopefully when GB official is released it will have a better modem
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We would've had GB a LONG time ago if Sammy wasn't fiddling around with the stupid Galaxy S2. They neglect every other phone on their lineup just because the Galaxy S2 sold so well.
I had 'spotty coverage' with my Charge with some of the older ROMs, however, since I have been on EP1Q (Stock debloated) I have had so few issues that I am perfectly happy to use the ROM as my daily driver.
The radio is fantastic as are my DL speeds. Auto brightness works again as well as the hardware key backlights. The best part of the ROM is the absolutely fantastic battery life! I take my phone off the charger at about 7am every morning and still have 50% left on the battery after almost 15 hours. Throughout that time, I send and recieve alot of email and text messages, make several short calls to colleagues and of course there is the innevitable round of Angry Birds while on the can.
All in all, I love this device!!!
~E~
It happens to all of us. Go try getting a new SIM.
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I had the problem with my Thunderbolt I bought on the first day fought with version constantly they replaced 4 of them before they sent me this charge, and guess what same issues. I am not a expert but I believe it's the network. Lte has problems and Verizon isn't saying anything for fear of looking bad. They have invested their future in it but there are issues and holding signal is one of them. Battery life is another that has to improve Apple can't release a phone until this is worked out unlike android you can't pop another battery in after 6 hours. BTW 3g had the same issues in the beginning
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I was having the same problem as you. Would go from 3g to 1x to nothing. Sometimes it would return in a few seconds sometime i would have to toggle data on/off/on or airplane mode and sometimes it would take a full rebot to fix the problem. I also would lose voice too but didnt happen no where near as often.
Ive had the problems from day one on stock non rooted EE4 and all the rooted roms ive ran. I didnt want to replace my phone with a recert phone so i got the verizon tech to just replace my sim card. Also updated my modem to the newest one the day after i got the new sim card.
Ive been running the new GC 2.0 FE for almost a week, along with a new Sim card and updated modems and have yet to lose voice or data at all.
As another suggested try getting verizon to replace your sim and/or reflash the newest modem. Hope that helps you it did for me.
give the EP1Q modem a try, my signal has improved immensely in the few crappy areas around here
Thanks for all the suggestions.
I'm already on my second SIM card and I've experienced the issue on both my stock Charge and my Charge that has been on Gingerbread (currently GC 2.0) and has the EP1Q radio.
I'm just going to head up to VZW next week, show them the threads and hopefully have one of the phones flip out while I'm there and not leave until they either offer a lateral replacement or give me a real time frame for a software fix.
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I had the problem with my Thunderbolt I bought on the first day fought with version constantly they replaced 4 of them before they sent me this charge, and guess what same issues. I am not a expert but I believe it's the network. Lte has problems and Verizon isn't saying anything for fear of looking bad. They have invested their future in it but there are issues and holding signal is one of them. Battery life is another that has to improve Apple can't release a phone until this is worked out unlike android you can't pop another battery in after 6 hours. BTW 3g had the same issues in the beginning
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Dude.. That's an excellent point about the IPhone.. Once you Die.... Your Dead! God I Love me Droid Charge !
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Dude.. That's an excellent point about the IPhone.. Once you Die.... Your Dead! God I Love me Droid Charge !
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Actually, it's not. My wife has an iPhone and the battery lasts FOREVER in that damn thing. It irritates the hell out of me.
Don't get me wrong, I absolutely LOVE my gummy charge and would never buy an iPhone but her battery life is WAY WAY better than any Droid phone. Sure, you can't replace the battery but hers never fails to make it through a day of HEAVY use anyway so she doesn't care.......
~John
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Actually, it's not. My wife has an iPhone and the battery lasts FOREVER in that damn thing. It irritates the hell out of me.
Don't get me wrong, I absolutely LOVE my gummy charge and would never buy an iPhone but her battery life is WAY WAY better than any Droid phone. Sure, you can't replace the battery but hers never fails to make it through a day of HEAVY use anyway so she doesn't care.......
~John
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Some of my friends have iPhones too (the dumb ones ) and the only thing im jealous of is the damn battery life. It has a 1420mah battery and easily lasts twice as long as an android phone. The iPod Touch (i happen to have a 3rd gen from before i got an android phone) lasts for a whole week with a 950 mah battery. i want you to get that galaxy player wifi and try getting that thing to last a whole week. I know that there are much more proccesses running in android and real multitasking (not the **** apple feeds to there customers on a white pretty boxed platter) but still, thats how they get that battery life, by limiting functionality. I am not pro apple or completely anti-apple, more pro android and google , but one thing apple has got in the bag is battery life.
An Android device can run just as long if not longer than an iPhone, it simply depends on usage. I'm pretty sure the way Android handles multitasking compared to iOS and push notifications play a role, too.
Regardless, my Nook Color can idle for a couple of weeks with a custom Froyo ROM and kernel. My Droid Charge has lasted me over a day with moderate usage, easily. With heavy use, I get 12-16 hours pretty easily. If I turn off data completely and only use my phone for texting and voice calls, the phone lasts two days, no problem.
Usage is key, and is often misunderstood and judged improperly/subjectively.
But at the end of the day. My droid charge is out of battery and my girls iphone is at 70 percent. I remember reading somewhere that apple has special patented battery technology too. Android needs some special battery technology. I will gladly pay more for a better product.
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Actually, it's not. My wife has an iPhone and the battery lasts FOREVER in that damn thing. It irritates the hell out of me.
Don't get me wrong, I absolutely LOVE my gummy charge and would never buy an iPhone but her battery life is WAY WAY better than any Droid phone. Sure, you can't replace the battery but hers never fails to make it through a day of HEAVY use anyway so she doesn't care.......
~John
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It's because the iPhone doesn't have that obnoxious hog we call the LTE radio. If you set your phone to CDMA(it disables 4g) you can effectively double your battery life. I disable mine if I'm going somewhere and I know I won't be back in 10+ hours. Or if I'm going somewhere that doesn't have 4g, the battery life with 3g only is CRAZY.
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But at the end of the day. My droid charge is out of battery and my girls iphone is at 70 percent. I remember reading somewhere that apple has special patented battery technology too. Android needs some special battery technology. I will gladly pay more for a better product.
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You fail to describe how you and your "girl" use the phone. My money says that you use your phone more heavily than she does. As another poster mentioned, how you use the phone and what apps you are running make a big difference. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if the results were quite a bit different if ya'll switched phones for a day, but continued using them the way you would normally use your phones.
You can't compare your gfs iphone to your Charge if you're using the LTE modem. Completely different animals. Once iphones have lte, then you can compare away.
Besides I get incredible battery life from my Charge. I can easily last 20 hrs.
Back to topic however, yes I too have problems with connectivity regardless of Roms or modems I've flashed. If I had to guess, I would say its a network issue with LTE phones... anybody know if the Revolution has similar problems? I believe the TBolt does as someone mentioned earlier, but nobody seems to talk about the Revolution.
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Well just to update, I had a pretty serious situation that was caused by this issue. Verizon is unable to provide a firm timeline for an update and won't even confirm that any forthcoming updates will resolve the issue (which they have not yet officially recognized).
That said, the situation I encountered was significant enough that they are issuing a credit toward my bill and the GM of my local corporate store is working on having my phones replaced.
As much as I absolutely love this phone (as one user said in another thread, SAMOLED+ is like the heroin of phone displays), having a phone that is unreliable in important or emergency situations is just absolutely not acceptable to me.
If they do allow me to change phones, I will do my best to move to another 4G phone (not the tbolt obviously) and I will report back on whether or not it appears to be a network issue.
You will find most of your problems will follow you from one 4g phone to another. There are already a few grumblings in the bionic forums radio staying locked on and battery and that is a huge battery
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I don't think it's necessarily a DC problem. Here lately my fascinate has been getting 1x locks and my DC has been doing that too. Maybe it's a network issue?
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First off, yes I realize that complaints about the Skyrocket battery are very common, and coming from a Nexus One I'm no stranger to the nightly charging, but I feel like my phone may have a real issue with proper battery management. For example, I'm looking at my phone now. It's been on for 4hrs 43 mins and is down to 73%. Screen is 61% usage and then the typical other stuff below it. For the record the screen has been on for MAYBE 20 minutes total for answering texts and checking Facebook/twitter updates. I should also note that I am using the Galaxy Nexus extended battery. I feel like every time I turn on the screen I lose 1-3% of battery. For the record, I've tried multiple Roms (Stock, SuperStock, NexusMod, Sky ICS, and running CM9 RC2 currently) and multiple radios (running RUXLF3 currently). I've tried underclocking my CPU with SetCPU and that doesn't seem to help. I just installed JuiceDefender but I don't see that doing much as I can't really turn off data with the screen off because I'm connected to my company's email (refreshes automatically every hour.) The only stuff I get pushed to me is Gmail (and I consider a very busy email day to be 5 emails in a given day). I don't get Twitter or Facebook updates sent to my phone. And yes I have Wifi/BT/GPS off as I don't need them. I'm not in an LTE market and thus am using HSPA+. However, when I WAS in an LTE area (NYC and Atlanta) the battery drain was almost to the point where I almost hoped I DIDN'T get LTE in my market if it meant my battery life would be as atrocious as it was.
Within about a 8 hour period it is not uncommon at all to be around 50%, sometimes dipping as low as 30% depending on how boring my day is thus resulting in more FB/Twitter checks than normal. I know that the Galaxy Extended battery isn't going to give me life on par with a Razr MAXX, but the difference I've noticed between the OEM and Extended seem almost negligible. Is this considered "Typical" performance or am I doing something wrong either software/hardware wise? Could I just have a bad phone and try and get it replaced since it's still under 1 year warranty? I'd prefer to not have to do that unless necessary as it means I need to back everything up and then wipe out my data and go back to Stock and reset the flash counter and then do the ICS update via Kies (because I know AT&T will fire back and say "Try out ICS first and then return if that doesn't work!") and all that fun junk.
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Sounds about right to me. Just turn off data when you aren't using it is all I can say.
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My thoughts:
1. 50% in 8 hours of moderate use is, imo, not terribly unusual for a Skyrocket without a ton of fine-tuning done to it. The Skyrocket, in general, is not a marathon-runner of a phone. It's better for short sprints, although you can (as I have) make it a marathon runner with extensive tweaking.
2. I haven't tried all the ROMs you've listed, but I can tell you that CM9 on my Captivate and my Skyrocket had severe wakelock issues. My Skyrocket's battery would drain off at twice my usual rate when I tried it, and the ROM prevented my Captivate from sleeping at all (I was lucky to get six hours out of a charge--at best). It's not my favorite ROM for battery life. SkyICS, in my experience, is the absolute best battery life of any ROM.
3. Get rid of JuiceDefender and SetCPU. JuiceDefender works primarily by preventing applications from doing what they want to do. Common sense dictates that when a computer program is unable to do an assigned task because its primary method of doing so is blocked, it will try something else. That "something else" may or may not result in a series of wakelocks. SetCPU is designed for single-core processors. The changes it makes will usually affect only one of the two cores in a Skyrocket's CPU, causing the second core to do weird things. I do, however, recommend using System Tuner. All you need is the free version, because all you need to do is lower your min to 192 and change your governor to ondemand or conservative (I use conservative). You're not forcing new profiles onto the phone's CPU, just giving it a little "attitude adjustment".
4. Get rid of the Facebook app and replace it with Friendcaster. Like, now. The Facebook app uses battery and data even if you tell it not to.
5. Have you downloaded BBS? If so, are you using it to track down your wakelocks? I've got a post inside of the above thread that explains how to do so and, well, explains just about everything else I've already said here or would say if I continued. So, yeah, just read that thread. It's not terribly long, and there's a ton of great info in the OP and throughout.
For reference, I'm a light-to-moderate user of my phone, not as heavy as you by any means. I'm not in an LTE area, which helps. That being said, with the Nexus extended battery, I'm now at 2 days, 5 hours and still at 23% charge. I used the phone very heavily while traveling a couple of days ago, starting at 7:00 AM Eastern at 100% and ending at 11:45 PM Mountain with 11% left, 4h45m of screen-on time.
I just find that odd since I find people giving great stories with the SKY ICS and others in terms of battery life. Ironically, I've found that SKY gave me some of the WORST battery life which really made me feel like a dolt. Here's the latest battery stats attached. Perhaps my view of things is skewed though because my day starts at 6am and I'm at work by 7 (with my phone typically turned on at 6:30) so I still have a good portion of my day left by the time I get home and my phone is typically less than 50% by that time. It's weird to know you have about 7 hours left in your day and your phone is saying like 40% power left.
What's your screen-on time in those screenshots? The frequent wake-ups make me think that you've got some rogue apps syncing when they shouldn't be.
Hello OP, I have exactly the same problems as you except i'm still running stock (rooted with frozen bloat). I tried the Galaxy Nexus Extended Battery and from stock it was more horrible. appox 1 hour less than the stock battery. I did try not using my phone like normal (about 25 mins of screen on time) which was a PITA because mobile internet is my only way to sneak down time while watching my toddler son. The battery lasted 11 hours. With stock battery, I would've lasted around 10 hours. A lot of people say it might be bad battery BUT how can I have such terrible luck to get a bad stock and a bad GNEX ext batt??? lol. So I ordered the qcell 3800mah extended battery and boy I won't be looking back!!!! I am currently still at 25% battery, 17 hours 20 mins with 3 hour 38 mins screen on!! I watched two Naruto episode last night and didn't have to worry about my phone dying while I'm sleeping and end up not getting important calls from husband early in the morning. The hump doesn't look great but it does not bother me when I'm holding the phone and I have small hands. The weight is a little bit on the heavy side but for so much more battery hours, I don't think you'd mind. Now, if you are the type who is always out and can't find sockets all the time, I suggest you try this qcell ext batt. for $20 you can't go wrong. I know you'd hate spending another $20 but trust me the battery works wonders.
On a side note, i also ordered a charger for my standard and GNEX battery from ebay so I can charge them independently if i ever have to go on long long trips and need super juice. That's another $4, takes two weeks to get here from China. There's a hack here in XDA somewhere to make it a really fast charger because it is really a SLOW charger despite what their ad claims.
Good luck!!
PS: I also bought the SetCPU since everybody swears by it. I never saw any difference.
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What's your screen-on time in those screenshots? The frequent wake-ups make me think that you've got some rogue apps syncing when they shouldn't be.
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I just checked and it says 1 hour 4 minutes. There's NO way it's been on that long, or at least not with me looking at it, and I usually turn off my screen when I'm done as opposed to letting it go to time out, which is 60 seconds anyways. I'd say 30 minutes would be it AT MOST.
Is it in your pocket a lot or out of sight
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Hello OP, I have exactly the same problems as you except i'm still running stock (rooted with frozen bloat). I tried the Galaxy Nexus Extended Battery and from stock it was more horrible. appox 1 hour less than the stock battery. I did try not using my phone like normal (about 25 mins of screen on time) which was a PITA because mobile internet is my only way to sneak down time while watching my toddler son. The battery lasted 11 hours. With stock battery, I would've lasted around 10 hours. A lot of people say it might be bad battery BUT how can I have such terrible luck to get a bad stock and a bad GNEX ext batt??? lol. So I ordered the qcell 3800mah extended battery and boy I won't be looking back!!!! I am currently still at 25% battery, 17 hours 20 mins with 3 hour 38 mins screen on!! I watched two Naruto episode last night and didn't have to worry about my phone dying while I'm sleeping and end up not getting important calls from husband early in the morning. The hump doesn't look great but it does not bother me when I'm holding the phone and I have small hands. The weight is a little bit on the heavy side but for so much more battery hours, I don't think you'd mind. Now, if you are the type who is always out and can't find sockets all the time, I suggest you try this qcell ext batt. for $20 you can't go wrong. I know you'd hate spending another $20 but trust me the battery works wonders.
On a side note, i also ordered a charger for my standard and GNEX battery from ebay so I can charge them independently if i ever have to go on long long trips and need super juice. That's another $4, takes two weeks to get here from China. There's a hack here in XDA somewhere to make it a really fast charger because it is really a SLOW charger despite what their ad claims.
Good luck!!
PS: I also bought the SetCPU since everybody swears by it. I never saw any difference.
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My goal is to avoid the super extended battery because then it means I need to buy a whole new case as well. I'm one of those people that "needs" a protective case because the only reason I have the Skyrocket is because last December my 1 year old took my beloved Nexus One and threw it down 16 flights of stairs. The phone then entered a vegetative coma state and never recovered. I can't have that happen again. So basically I'd have to buy the new phone then buy the new case. I'm trying to spend as little extra money as possible.
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My goal is to avoid the super extended battery because then it means I need to buy a whole new case as well. I'm one of those people that "needs" a protective case because the only reason I have the Skyrocket is because last December my 1 year old took my beloved Nexus One and threw it down 16 flights of stairs. The phone then entered a vegetative coma state and never recovered. I can't have that happen again. So basically I'd have to buy the new phone then buy the new case. I'm trying to spend as little extra money as possible.
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well, there are hacks floating around with otter box to fit the hump back. I'm sure you will find other cases from ebay that can be hacked this way too. I don't have this problem since Ii use my phone naked because i only got it for $10.00 and my other line is due for upgrade soon. anyhow, it really depends mostly on what you would rather have, battery life or case. It could be the phone but most likely AT&T will tell you that smartphones consume a lot of energy and if you are not within that 30 day period anymore they'll probably give you a refurbished one and you might end up with a more dud one than the one you already have.
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Is it in your pocket a lot or out of sight
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I try to keep my phone out of my pocket because I don't think cell waves near my "area" is a good combination. When I am at work it's on my desk for about 7 hours, and then at home I usually leave it out (at a high elevation away from my daughter of course.)
Does your screen kick on when you get notifications do you know
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I just checked and it says 1 hour 4 minutes. There's NO way it's been on that long, or at least not with me looking at it, and I usually turn off my screen when I'm done as opposed to letting it go to time out, which is 60 seconds anyways. I'd say 30 minutes would be it AT MOST.
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That's still a little high. I was going to ask if your volume rocker wakes your phone, as that can be a big phantom screen-on culprit, but if your phone's on you desk most of the time...
Download BBS and pin down your wakelocks and alarms (which cause wakelocks) from there. If your phone's not suffering any extreme drain from a rogue app or process, then you might just be at the best you're going to get for your usage.
Have you tried different radios at all? I've heard those can have a minor effect on battery life, depending upon your area.
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Does your screen kick on when you get notifications do you know
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No but the 4 buttons do as it is a CM9 feature. Honestly though they aren't on for very long as I usually am near my phone and notice such things rather quickly.
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That's still a little high. I was going to ask if your volume rocker wakes your phone, as that can be a big phantom screen-on culprit, but if your phone's on you desk most of the time...
Download BBS and pin down your wakelocks and alarms (which cause wakelocks) from there. If your phone's not suffering any extreme drain from a rogue app or process, then you might just be at the best you're going to get for your usage.
Have you tried different radios at all? I've heard those can have a minor effect on battery life, depending upon your area.
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I don't use the volume rocker for waking just FYI.
I got BBS. It looks informative but I'm not really sure what I should be focusing in terms of statistics and what, if anything should jump out as problematic. Any tips?
I have tried at least 4 different radios but I haven't noticed any major difference between them.
I just saw that CM9 has now been officially released in stable form. Maybe that will help. I'll try that ROM now. I hope CM9 is not the issue, as I've always been a "Vanilla Android" kind of guy and I really like how ICS is designed. I never liked how the other ROMS still had touches of Touchwiz in them. I especially don't like how it mimics iOS styles so much. I mean, I'm definitely pro-Samsung in the major lawsuit, but Apple has more than a few valid points in their argument. Having similar icons and a SMS theme that basically mimics iOS isn't going to help Sammy in the big lawsuit.
True, it's a well-known problem. You may find some rom with better battery life (here is the rom I'm using: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1436854). You can also download some apps that save your battery. Try to turn off GPS, Wi-fi and data when you're not using, and also do not keep the brightness of your screen too high. I hope these would be helpful to you.
Check the link in my sig for details on how to really use BBS to improve your battery life. You're not that far off of a normal battery life for moderate to heavy usage, so just tweak it and go from there.
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Check the link in my sig for details on how to really use BBS to improve your battery life. You're not that far off of a normal battery life for moderate to heavy usage, so just tweak it and go from there.
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The thing is though is that I don't consider myself to be a moderate to heavy user, but more of a light to moderate. As I said, on a typical day I answer maybe 5-15 text messages, check Facebook/Twitter a handful of times, almost never get emails sent as I have no life, do almost no web browsing, and maybe take a phone call or 2. I very rarely play games and even less often stream media. My gmail is push but that's about it. I also use Touchdown for Exchange but that queries only once an hour. Am I still being unrealistic with my expectations on my battery?
Something definitely seems off, and you may well have a bad battery or even a bad phone. Try to go through and clean everything up in terms of wakelocks and any possible rogue apps. If you're still in bad shape after cleaning up your phone, something seems off. Mobile data does chew up more battery than Wifi, but not THAT much, and especially not in an HSPA area.
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Something definitely seems off, and you may well have a bad battery or even a bad phone. Try to go through and clean everything up in terms of wakelocks and any possible rogue apps. If you're still in bad shape after cleaning up your phone, something seems off. Mobile data does chew up more battery than Wifi, but not THAT much, and especially not in an HSPA area.
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I don't think it's a battery issue. I've used the OEM and the Galaxy Nexus extended battery and both are delivering similar performance (although GN is slightly better obviously.) And as I mentioned, when I was in an LTE area my battery was getting beat down like Homer Simpson in a fight with Drederick Tatum.
Would it be advisable to try a FULL wipe of my phone? When I was installing CM9 today I saw the option to format EMMC. Should I try doing that or wiping other stuff or would that just do more bad than good? Should I try wiping that and/or the SD card?
Hi!
I am new to the nexus 5 community and I just got my nexus 5 about 2 days ago
After fully charging it I started using it , I have heard that nexus 5 has battery issues and that's why I only want you people to help me tell how the battery life of my phone is for a brand new device by seeing the screenshots of my usage.
Here are the screenshots:
Looks normal to me. What's ingress? A game?
K****ij Agrawal said:
Hi!
I am new to the nexus 5 community and I just got my nexus 5 about 2 days ago
After fully charging it I started using it , I have heard that nexus 5 has battery issues and that's why I only want you people to help me tell how the battery life of my phone is for a brand new device by seeing the screenshots of my usage.
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Not bad. I would disable Wi-Fi always scanning available (even if Wi-Fi is off), location to start. That's not bad though and is about what I get, but you might be able to get better SOT.
the nexus 5 does not have battery issues, at all. it stupid people that themselves have issues, not the phone.
Seems normal to me ,I bought mine month ago
There are no issues with battery on nexus 5. I charge mine usually once in 3 days, my record without charge is about a week.
It really depends on how you use it. Under constant 100% load I think battery can be depleted under 5 hours, as in every other device.
i can use my phone very heavily, and deplete my battery in 6-8 hours. but ill still get 5+ hours screen on time.
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the nexus 5 does not have battery issues, at all. it stupid people that themselves have issues, not the phone.
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wow Simms, you're everywhere lol
xnormskix said:
wow Simms, you're everywhere lol
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not quite, but in the n5 and n4 forums I am :angel:
Have you tried running the phone down till it switches off? I know it's not good practice to do that often but I like to do it with a new phone relatively early as it makes sure it's calibrated - sometimes phones can either switch off at 5% or, conversely, run on 1% for hours...
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Have you tried running the phone down till it switches off? I know it's not good practice to do that often but I like to do it with a new phone relatively early as it makes sure it's calibrated - sometimes phones can either switch off at 5% or, conversely, run on 1% for hours...
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You don't ever need to do that as it calibrates every time you charge the phone. Also he just got the phone and isn't having any battery issues.
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You don't ever need to do that as it calibrates every time you charge the phone. Also he just got the phone and isn't having any battery issues.
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He means to break in a LIon battery the first three times you kill the battery and then don't take it below 20% after that.
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MrObvious said:
He means to break in a LIon battery the first three times you kill the battery and then don't take it below 20% after that.
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That's not helpful and does more harm than good. Li-Po never needs to be user calibrated in any way.
Thanks!
Thanks a lot guys for taking your time and helping me , nexus 5 is truly an amazing phone.
@Ben36 yes , ingress is a game and its a location based so it keeps running in the background and uses location services.
Guys , I have some questions relating to the vibration motor , is it fine if I ask here or am I supposed to make a new thread?
Thaks a lot once again
simms22 said:
the nexus 5 does not have battery issues, at all. it stupid people that themselves have issues, not the phone.
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I was just about to start a thread about something then I read this. So here's the deal. I agree that it's almost always user error and/or over expectation when it comes to battery. Stupid people are here to stay. I'm neither stupid nor expecting too much from my battery.
I've always been intrigued by how some experienced users get great battery and some get not so great. Has to be user error I always thought. I thought this because I was one of the experienced users getting great battery life. I mean GREAT. Way over 7 SOT all the time.
So a few weeks ago my first phone had an audio port issue that I had RMA'd. I received the new phone and set it up. It had crap battery. I'm talking less then 2 hours SOT. Same ROM, same kernel, same apps, same coverage for mobile and data, same usage. I set about looking for wakelocks and they all where the same as the first phone. Nothing was wrong on my end. I spent over a week troubleshooting. CPU frequencies and time in state where normal. Temps where normal. CPU benching was the same. Awake vs screen on was almost identical. The phone is sleeping like a baby when not in use.
So, using Occam"s razor, it would lead me to believe that not all batteries in the N5 are created equal. After getting off the phone with a google support supervisor a few hours ago he agreed. Another RMA process has been set up and I was promised this phone would make it's way back to LG so they can actually analyze the battery.
Like I said, I used to think the same way you do. Now I'm not so sure.
theesotericone said:
I was just about to start a thread about something then I read this. So here's the deal. I agree that it's almost always user error and/or over expectation when it comes to battery. Stupid people are here to stay. I'm neither stupid nor expecting too much from my battery.
I've always been intrigued by how some experienced users get great battery and some get not so great. Has to be user error I always thought. I thought this because I was one of the experienced users getting great battery life. I mean GREAT. Way over 7 SOT all the time.
So a few weeks ago my first phone had an audio port issue that I had RMA'd. I received the new phone and set it up. It had crap battery. I'm talking less then 2 hours SOT. Same ROM, same kernel, same apps, same coverage for mobile and data, same usage. I set about looking for wakelocks and they all where the same as the first phone. Nothing was wrong on my end. I spent over a week troubleshooting. CPU frequencies and time in state where normal. Temps where normal. CPU benching was the same. Awake vs screen on was almost identical. The phone is sleeping like a baby when not in use.
So, using Occam"s razor, it would lead me to believe that not all batteries in the N5 are created equal. After getting off the phone with a google support supervisor a few hours ago he agreed. Another RMA process has been set up and I was promised this phone would make it's way back to LG so they can actually analyze the battery.
Like I said, I used to think the same way you do. Now I'm not so sure.
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oh, no, I 100% agree with you. just like our devices, that all aren't equal, that are all assembled in differing places, that all have smaller parts that are made in more different factories.. the batteries themselves will differ as well. it'll even probably fall onto a bell curve, where most are near the center, and less with better or worse. but 100% they vary.
theesotericone said:
I was just about to start a thread about something then I read this. So here's the deal. I agree that it's almost always user error and/or over expectation when it comes to battery. Stupid people are here to stay. I'm neither stupid nor expecting too much from my battery.
I've always been intrigued by how some experienced users get great battery and some get not so great. Has to be user error I always thought. I thought this because I was one of the experienced users getting great battery life. I mean GREAT. Way over 7 SOT all the time.
So a few weeks ago my first phone had an audio port issue that I had RMA'd. I received the new phone and set it up. It had crap battery. I'm talking less then 2 hours SOT. Same ROM, same kernel, same apps, same coverage for mobile and data, same usage. I set about looking for wakelocks and they all where the same as the first phone. Nothing was wrong on my end. I spent over a week troubleshooting. CPU frequencies and time in state where normal. Temps where normal. CPU benching was the same. Awake vs screen on was almost identical. The phone is sleeping like a baby when not in use.
So, using Occam"s razor, it would lead me to believe that not all batteries in the N5 are created equal. After getting off the phone with a google support supervisor a few hours ago he agreed. Another RMA process has been set up and I was promised this phone would make it's way back to LG so they can actually analyze the battery.
Like I said, I used to think the same way you do. Now I'm not so sure.
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Well I feel that there are always some exceptions , some phones may have a manufacturing defect and maybe the phone you are talking about did have one , but these manufacturing defects are mostly really rare.
You should be good to go...just keep an eye on it! Happy Flashing
bblzd said:
That's not helpful and does more harm than good. Li-Po never needs to be user calibrated in any way.
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I was just explaining what he said. The rumor is (supposedly backed up) that you kill the battery 3 times in a row but never take it close to dying after that and you get the best battery life possible because the battery works best if you only charge it between 20 and 80%. I think there may be something to it because new phones only last like half a day on the first charge but after a week last a day or longer for me. I won't derail this thread though as that's a debate that always loves to go on and I've never found hard proof either way but people who just write websites who supposedly sound smart and can word it quite eloquently.
That being said, I didn't necessarily agree with it, but I was clarifying what was said.
MrObvious said:
I was just explaining what he said. The rumor is (supposedly backed up) that you kill the battery 3 times in a row but never take it close to dying after that and you get the best battery life possible because the battery works best if you only charge it between 20 and 80%. I think there may be something to it because new phones only last like half a day on the first charge but after a week last a day or longer for me. I won't derail this thread though as that's a debate that always loves to go on and I've never found hard proof either way but people who just write websites who supposedly sound smart and can word it quite eloquently.
That being said, I didn't necessarily agree with it, but I was clarifying what was said.
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Thanks for clarifying. Keeping the battery between 20% and 80% is said to help with battery degradation, which after a year or two might affect how much one could get out of a full charge. Most won't find it practical to limit them self to only 60% of their total available battery pool though.
Even hitting 0% isn't as big of a problem as some may think as there is a reserve charge for protection. For instance, mine has full died on me twice due to a power outage (I even attempted a boot up) and I always full charge with no noticeable degradation after 8 months.