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I really hope Froyo doesn't turn out to be a disappointment

Now Froyo is supposed to be a major milestone with Android, but, frankly, I think the same thing was said about Android 2.1. I don't care much for the USB tethering (because we already have that), wifi hotspot feature (because I'm not going to use it), and so on, but there are a few major points of things I'm hanging on.
Notably, the supposed performance improvement being 2-5x greater than Android 2.1 That is a big claim and, if true, then the Captivate will be completely lag free on stock. If so, the usability on this phone will just shoot straight up. The smoother transition and animation should also help this greatly.
I'm not too concerned about having Flash 10.1, but Froyo is also supposed to come with numerous other improvements. I know the browser is being updated to support some hardware features, but I hope Google is also improving the general usability of the browser. As it is now, it kind of sucks. Additionally, I also hope the Youtube app is also updated.
Nonetheless, even if all the others remain nothing more than a dream, I, at the least, hope the improvement performance/transitions/animation turns out to be something of substance.
Well, here's to September.

The Captivate has plenty of cpu power... it seems that most of the lag we are expeirencing comes with the filesystem Samsung has chosen to use and it's poor I/O performance. I'm not sure if Froyo will help too much - but I would expect that once 2.2 hits the custom ROM scene will really kick off, and hopefull somebody will implement YAFFS or whatever some of the other phones (Nexus 1, etc) are using.
We may see better battery life if the system needs fewer CPU cycles to accomplish the same tasks it's doing now.
Don't forget - we'll also receive the new kernal which should double the available RAM from 256mb in 2.1 to 512mb in 2.2 - though the system seems to currently report there is currently 325mb aviable. In either case, it will be a big increase - though I'm not really having any memory issues at the moment.
I'm trying not to get too excited for it, but it does make some impressive promises.

^ Well, Samsung does have its own customized version of Android. I'd imagine that the one they're rolling out in September will contain an improved filesystem (as I've heard that Samsung is currently aware of the issue) and, in combination with Froyo's own improvements, should do a lot to help Android perform better.
I wasn't aware of the kernel thing. I don't see how is that possible, though. The Captivate has a total of 512MB RAM, so wouldn't it need a part of that in order to operate normally?

The new kernel in 2.2 has HIMEM support and supports more than 256mb, which is what 2.1 is limited to. I'm not sure if Samsung tweaked the kernel to support the 325mb we have now or how that figure is derived, but right now we can't use all the RAM that the Captivate packs.

^ I looked up info on 'HIGHMEM' and I see what you mean now. The updated kernel supports devices with RAM greater than 256MB RAM. I thought you actually meant that the kernel will make all 512MB available for the user.
Alright, that sounds good. I guess the additional support may be why there is supposed to be increased smoothness and animation.

8525Smart said:
Now Froyo is supposed to be a major milestone with Android, but, frankly, I think the same thing was said about Android 2.1. I don't care much for the USB tethering (because we already have that), wifi hotspot feature (because I'm not going to use it), and so on, but there are a few major points of things I'm hanging on.
Notably, the supposed performance improvement being 2-5x greater than Android 2.1 That is a big claim and, if true, then the Captivate will be completely lag free on stock. If so, the usability on this phone will just shoot straight up. The smoother transition and animation should also help this greatly.
I'm not too concerned about having Flash 10.1, but Froyo is also supposed to come with numerous other improvements. I know the browser is being updated to support some hardware features, but I hope Google is also improving the general usability of the browser. As it is now, it kind of sucks. Additionally, I also hope the Youtube app is also updated.
Nonetheless, even if all the others remain nothing more than a dream, I, at the least, hope the improvement performance/transitions/animation turns out to be something of substance.
Well, here's to September.
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I totally agree with you. I couldn't care less about tethering, hotspot or Flash. I never used them and never will. I just don't need them.
The only thing I care about is the speed improvement. I don't really believe it will have 2-5x improvement boost because, well, every claim is exaggerated. But I am expecting something.
That said, I am not too optimistic though. I have tried several Droid 2 in Verizon stores. It's very disappointing. It feels rather sluggish and laggy. Even worse than the Captivate now. And apparently Engadget reviewer agrees with me.
So as much as I welcome the birth of 2.2, I am not as optimistic as others.
And final words, I don't think we'll get the update in Sept. I think Samsung will (hopefully) release it in Sept, but it will take AT&T another month or two to load their crap.
I wish I am wrong.

mwxiao said:
And final words, I don't think we'll get the update in Sept. I think Samsung will (hopefully) release it in Sept, but it will take AT&T another month or two to load their crap.
I wish I am wrong.
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Since the test roms that have come out are from Samsung and they already have AT&T crap on them, I believe its safe to assume that Samsung is making the roms for AT&T. So, there should be no extra step for AT&T to load their crap...it should come directly from Samsung.

Considering 2.2 has gotten a ton of praise from other phones that are already using it I'm sure our Froyo will be a worthwhile upgrade as well. Sure, Samsung might screw the pooch on some things again, but overall it will be better.

This isn't Windoze, how can an upgrade be disappointing?
Bring on the Froyo!

cappysw10 said:
This isn't Windoze, how can an upgrade be disappointing?
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I am sure an update is always good. But if it doesn't meet the high expectations, it will be a disappointment. And I think the expectations are pretty high.

mwxiao said:
That said, I am not too optimistic though. I have tried several Droid 2 in Verizon stores. It's very disappointing. It feels rather sluggish and laggy. Even worse than the Captivate now. And apparently Engadget reviewer agrees with me.
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Whoa, looks like I was a bit outdated. I actually hadn't realize Motorola's Droid 2 was using Froyo already (I still thought the Nexus One was the only phone that had it ).
Regarding the September release, I actually thought it was taking until September because Samsung is currently modifying all of their Froyo ROMs for each individual smartphone/carrier. After all, Froyo has technically been released already, so why else is Samsung taking until September to officially release it to all of their handsets?
glio1337 said:
Considering 2.2 has gotten a ton of praise from other phones that are already using it I'm sure our Froyo will be a worthwhile upgrade as well. Sure, Samsung might screw the pooch on some things again, but overall it will be better.
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That's just the thing, though. As I said, prior Android releases have garnered praise too. Eclair has gotten praise and was said to improve hardware performance, have a better browser UI, improved virtual keyboard, and so on. Of those three, I think the only one I would agree has truly improved is the virtual keyboard (I think the Android keyboard works very well on Eclair). The other listed improvements? Not so much.
Of course, Froyo will be better overall, but I just hope it's actually a milestone release with the proclaimed changes making a big difference instead of just steadily updating the platform with people telling me afterwards to wait for Gingerbread.

When reviews from places like Gizmodo, Engadget, Boy Genius etc say that they think 2.2 is a worthy step up from 2.1, I tend to take it as truth.
Regardless of any of that, all of the goodness from 2.2 is dependent on Samsung/ATT because they have the power to muck it up badly as they did with 2.1.

glio1337 said:
When reviews from places like Gizmodo, Engadget, Boy Genius etc say that they think 2.2 is a worthy step up from 2.1, I tend to take it as truth.
Regardless of any of that, all of the goodness from 2.2 is dependent on Samsung/ATT because they have the power to muck it up badly as they did with 2.1.
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Really? I find engadget and gizmodo to be awful at everything but aggregating news. Their opinions are always so uninformed and seem to be governed by whatever the fashionable opinion at the time.

Their product reviews are pretty good, or at the very least talk about the things most people would care about.

8525Smart said:
After all, Froyo has technically been released already, so why else is Samsung taking until September to officially release it to all of their handsets?
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Samsung needs to customize it for its hardware and put on Twisted-Wiz UI. It's slow.
That's just the thing, though. As I said, prior Android releases have garnered praise too. Eclair has gotten praise and was said to improve hardware performance, have a better browser UI, improved virtual keyboard, and so on. Of those three, I think the only one I would agree has truly improved is the virtual keyboard (I think the Android keyboard works very well on Eclair). The other listed improvements? Not so much.
Of course, Froyo will be better overall, but I just hope it's actually a milestone release with the proclaimed changes making a big difference instead of just steadily updating the platform with people telling me afterwards to wait for Gingerbread.
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I don't believe a 0.1 upgrade will be considered as milestone. We will definitely see speed improvement. But it's normal for every update. You always wait for the next update. It's always snappier.
glio1337 said:
When reviews from places like Gizmodo, Engadget, Boy Genius etc say that they think 2.2 is a worthy step up from 2.1, I tend to take it as truth.
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Of cause it's gonna be a worthy update. It's always worthy to upgrade to the next version. The question is, is it going to be as dramatic as they claimed? Personally, I don't think so.

cappysw10 said:
This isn't Windoze, how can an upgrade be disappointing?
Bring on the Froyo!
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Gotta love windows haters...
Any way, I cannot wait for froyo because I want to be able to move apps to the SD, to use flash without having to use Skyfire and using the extra memory should help too.
Plus I am expecting a TON of ROMs when it comes out so slowly but surely they phone would be maximize.

shaolin95 said:
...be able to move apps to the SD...
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Quoted for truth

I am more looking forward to an official lag fix and GPS fix moreso than Froyo.

I just read somewhere that JIT was written for the snapdragon processors and that while it may give us a little performance it wasn't really written for the hummingbird processor in our phones...so the chances of Samsung rewriting it just for us is probably very slim

The claims of 2-5x performance increase do seem hard to believe, but I believe these figures came from actual testing on the Nexus One running 2.2. Of course, I think we all know how reliable benchmarks are...
September is only a few hours away... where is our Froyo!!

[Q] Will Gingerbread be optimized for the Galaxy S phones?

Now that Gingerbread has been written by google for a Galaxy S phone that is very similar in specs to the Galaxy S line, will it be fully optimized?
Will we see big jumps in benchmarks like the Nexus One did when it received Froyo? Is the reason why the Nexus One and its variants received a big benchmark boost was because Android wrote Froyo for it?

I dont think 2.3 will come to captivate....And also, would the GPS been fixed??? Im going to sell my captivate and buy some HTC....
That is ridiculous situation...we are a several months waiting for 2.2 and so far nothing...We are several months waiting for some GPS fix...and so far nothing yet....
AT&T does not care about the customers if they are confortable with the 2.1 only or not....Neither Samsung....WE ARE LOST....hurt me to say that...
But thats how i feel...IM FEEL LIKE A FOOL...
sorry, dont get me wrong....

I doubt with Samsung's record of slow updates and bug fixes we'll ever see an official port of Gingerbread to the Galaxy S. Custom ROM's much more likely but I guess they will be a while.
As for speed increase... Don't hold your breath. I've got the official Froyo 2.2 running on my UK Galaxy S and it boosted my Quadrant benchmark score from 800+ (Eclair) to only 900+ (Froyo) (Nexus One with Froyo 1250). Custom ROM's apparently give better scores. Problem? Samsung again... they use a different file system on the Galaxy S (and I believe the American equivalents) than the official Android one and this slows the device and causes most of the lag problems on it. Watching the Quadrant benchmark the Galaxy flies through the graphics and CPU tests and grinds to a halt when it tries to complete the write to memory test... Froyo didn't help and I doubt an official Gingerbread update would either. I'm afraid flashing an unofficial ROM is the only way to get speed. It can be risky though...

Fizzig said:
I doubt with Samsung's record of slow updates and bug fixes we'll ever see an official port of Gingerbread to the Galaxy S. Custom ROM's much more likely but I guess they will be a while.
As for speed increase... Don't hold your breath. I've got the official Froyo 2.2 running on my UK Galaxy S and it boosted my Quadrant benchmark score from 800+ (Eclair) to only 900+ (Froyo) (Nexus One with Froyo 1250). Custom ROM's apparently give better scores. Problem? Samsung again... they use a different file system on the Galaxy S (and I believe the American equivalents) than the official Android one and this slows the device and causes most of the lag problems on it. Watching the Quadrant benchmark the Galaxy flies through the graphics and CPU tests and grinds to a halt when it tries to complete the write to memory test... Froyo didn't help and I doubt an official Gingerbread update would either. I'm afraid flashing an unofficial ROM is the only way to get speed. It can be risky though...
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Quadrant is a poor indicator of overall performance, which is why an ext2-loopback lagfixed rom will show astronomical scores (2300+) in Quadrant - because it is essentially telling quadrant exactly what it wants to hear. The score is artificial and doesn't reflect how the device will actually perform (not to imply that the lagfixes don't make the phone more responsive or anything, simply making the point that quadrant is a poor benchmark).
The differences you'll see between 2.1 and 2.2 are an increase in processing power and battery life due to the JIT. It's a bit difficult to test this due to outside battery-eating variables (things syncing over the network in the background, quality of reception and radio power levels, etc.), so your ability to notice a difference may vary depending on your phone usage style and environment.
Also, you can use linpack to get an idea of the processing power increase. You'll notice that it doubles between 2.1->2.2. I should warn you that it's not really comparable to the Nexus One, simply because the cpu architecture is different and linpack is geared to take advantage of it - the n1's snapdragon has a 128bit simd fpu whereas the hummingbird has a 64bit fpu, so the increase in speed will show up as 4x-5x for the n1 between 2.1->2.2. Again, this does not translate into a 4x increase in real world performance. I only mentioned linpack to demonstrate the relative speed increase between stock 2.1 for the galaxy S and 2.2, and to show that the JIT is indeed boosting the processing speed.
SlimJ87D said:
Now that Gingerbread has been written by google for a Galaxy S phone that is very similar in specs to the Galaxy S line, will it be fully optimized?
Will we see big jumps in benchmarks like the Nexus One did when it received Froyo? Is the reason why the Nexus One and its variants received a big benchmark boost was because Android wrote Froyo for it?
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To my understanding, 2.3 is essentially a more optimized 2.2. I doubt that the results of the optimizations will be as large as the introduction of the JIT was in 2.2, but every little bit helps - and look on the bright side, it won't be any slower than 2.2.
I don't think we'll really know how well the Nexus S roms will run on our phones or how easy they'll be to port over until we actually get our hands on an NS rom (still don't know what filesystem it uses or how big of an obstacle the filesystem will present). However, since the fundamental architecture is so similar, I don't really expect many problems and I expect the 2.3 builds to run great.
Edit: I don't expect Samsung or ATT to release 2.3 for our phones. I actually wouldn't be surprised if ATT refused a gingerbread update for our captivates, even if Samsung offered it. What I meant above was that I expect whatever custom roms we cook up based off of the NS builds to run great.

When do we start speculating about Honeycomb?

alphadog00 said:
When do we start speculating about Honeycomb?
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When someone in our family (Galaxy S Line) gets it, which will definitely be the Nexus S.

SlimJ87D said:
When someone in our family (Galaxy S Line) gets it, which will definitely be the Nexus S.
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Why wait... it is all guessing anyway. I think anything we say about Honeycomb has an equally good chance at being accurate as what we say about Gingerbread.

alphadog00 said:
Why wait... it is all guessing anyway. I think anything we say about Honeycomb has an equally good chance at being accurate as what we say about Gingerbread.
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I don't think you really understand my question.
The nexus one was a developer phone that had a snapdragon in it. Google, the creator of Android, directly engineered their software to be optimized on the device because it was their developer device.
Now that a Galaxy S phone is a developer phone, I was wondering if anyone knew anything about the software engineering side to the Nexus one to guess if google built 2.3 from the ground up for the Nexus S, or can/could heavily optimized the code for it.
Now you're question is to speculate about Honeycomb, speculate what? There's nothing to discuss about it, but my question is legit from an engineering stand point. So I'm still left wondering if this is the case or not, I wonder if there is anyone that can enlighten me.

Would be a nice pipe dream for an offical update.
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SlimJ87D said:
I don't think you really understand my question.
The nexus one was a developer phone that had a snapdragon in it. Google, the creator of Android, directly engineered their software to be optimized on the device because it was their developer device.
Now that a Galaxy S phone is a developer phone, I was wondering if anyone knew anything about the software engineering side to the Nexus one to guess if google built 2.3 from the ground up for the Nexus S, or can/could heavily optimized the code for it.
Now you're question is to speculate about Honeycomb, speculate what? There's nothing to discuss about it, but my question is legit from an engineering stand point. So I'm still left wondering if this is the case or not, I wonder if there is anyone that can enlighten me.
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And you don't understand my point: No one knows. We might as well speculate about honeycomb. The Nexus S has a different momory mudule iNand not moviNand. What impact will this have? No one knows until they have phones in hand.
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alphadog00 said:
And you don't understand my point: No one knows. We might as well speculate about honeycomb. The Nexus S has a different momory mudule iNand not moviNand. What impact will this have? No one knows until they have phones in hand.
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What about the CPU though? The memory for the Nexus One and Droid Incredible were different, but yet because they shared the same CPUs they received similar benchmark scores in that department.

What does it matter everyone is going to flash custom ROMS of Gingerbread when/if it ever somehow leaks for our phones.
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Fizzig said:
As for speed increase... Don't hold your breath. I've got the official Froyo 2.2 running on my UK Galaxy S and it boosted my Quadrant benchmark score from 800+ (Eclair) to only 900+ (Froyo) (Nexus One with Froyo 1250). Custom ROM's apparently give better scores. Problem? Samsung again... they use a different file system on the Galaxy S (and I believe the American equivalents) than the official Android one and this slows the device and causes most of the lag problems on it. Watching the Quadrant benchmark the Galaxy flies through the graphics and CPU tests and grinds to a halt when it tries to complete the write to memory test... Froyo didn't help and I doubt an official Gingerbread update would either. I'm afraid flashing an unofficial ROM is the only way to get speed. It can be risky though...
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This is one of the things that I am optimistic about. Android 2.3 adds support for devices with large internal storage capacities - my understanding is that it was Samsung's poor attempt to hack that support into 2.1 that introduced the issues you mention above. I'm hopeful that this means 2.3 would eliminate the need for lag fixes, and that the better support for some of the cutting edge hardware in the Galaxy S Phones being built into Gingerbread will make it much easier for Samsung to push 2.3 out for our phones.

AdamPflug said:
This is one of the things that I am optimistic about. Android 2.3 adds support for devices with large internal storage capacities - my understanding is that it was Samsung's poor attempt to hack that support into 2.1 that introduced the issues you mention above. I'm hopeful that this means 2.3 would eliminate the need for lag fixes, and that the better support for some of the cutting edge hardware in the Galaxy S Phones being built into Gingerbread will make it much easier for Samsung to push 2.3 out for our phones.
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Can you elaborate? Coz AFAIK RFS has nothing to do with Samsung's attempt to make a pitiful 16 GB work as internal sd card..
From what I understand, the movinand flash which Galaxy S , when used in RFS performed horribly when doing sync operations (I think I got it from the thread ryanza posted), so, the new flash might as well be Samsung's attempt to correct that error, instead of replacing the (seemingly crap) RFS ..

Linpack Scores vs. Other Phones

How come the G2 beats the mytouch 4g
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we get lower scores even when overclocking to 1.8ghz

the one thing I noticed was from the looking at the notes only one of the results appears to come from a MT4G running "vanilla" android, even highly optimized Sense takes up alot of our RAM and such... perhaps our Linpak scores will starting coming up when we get our AOSP ROMs more stable and optimized, this is NOT a knock on any of our kickass developers.

but even with CM 6.2 i get ~60's.
X.x and we have a lot more RAM that the G2

Bleh, bench tests. You like your phone? GREAT! Enjoy it.

How well does this phone run Flash?

Thinking of returning my Atrix and just getting a Nexus S. One thing the Atrix actually does is play flash 100% perfectly.
Can the same be said for this phone"?

The Nexus S runs Flash fine, but not so smooth on higher bitrate flash videos

I don't have any experience with the Atrix but my experience with the Nexus S is the browser and flash acceleration isn't really there (yet) like it is on Snapdragon devices. I feel like my Nexus One and MT4G performed better at flash playback in the browser than the NS.
No idea how flash is on Tegra 2 phones but I'd guess it's way better than the NS. Give some links to some flash sites that run nicely on your Atrix and I'll test it on my NS.

Comparing the Nexus S and Atrix 4G in terms of hardware is a joke. Personally, I prefer the Nexus S because I hate Motoblur and also I like the way the phone looks. But there's no way I can deny that the Atrix is more powerful, especially graphically. Dude, it has a friggin Tegra 2 dual-core CPU. The Nexus S I believe has a single-core Hummingbird. The Hummingbird (same one in the Galaxy S) is very powerful graphically, but the Tegra 2 is more powerful. I'd still take the Nexus S though since it's more powerful than my Evo.

My NxS w/CM7 + Flash works equal to my N1 same setup. This is not based on any spec or performance comparisons...just a daily user of shadownet.com
Why dumping Atrix?
...sent from NxS

search around for threads about this, because the nexus s actually is not optimized to play flash well yet, its missing graphics acceleration, etc. so many sites seems to be slow and choppy, and the nexus one actually out performs it. this is obviously a fluke, but the update has not yet come to fix it.
the galaxy s was the same way but samsung pushed the update out to the international version, and it made a world of difference. apparently google did not get this memo. so you might not have as smooth performance as expected.

reason it has issues is becuase hardware acceleration has yet to be implemented like the snapdragon CPU

The thing is that, being a Nexus device, the software is handled by Google, so you can expect a quick update.

My captivate with a custom kernel runs flash extremely well - nearly as well as the atrix.
Returning the atrix because its really a disappointment. Its horribly optimized, cant display the color yellow at all, and AT&T raped the HSUPA on the phone - disabling it. which wouldnt be a major issue if the boot loader was locked and you could enable it like on my captivate.
Just too much crap wrong with it to warrant signing a 2 year contract with it. So I am thinking thunderbolt or nexus S at this point.

on stock,not well. but I read that when overclocked, runs smoothly or hopefully, as said here, they will put the gpu to help

Nexus S browsing performance (Only Nexus S holders plz)
So I've seen many conflicting videos/reviews about Nexus S scrolling/zooming.... I heard that Samsung only optimized the browser for Hummingbird (with GPU acceleration, but of course didn't share the code with Google), but it's not available on the Nexus S.
So, on the Nexus S with Flash-enabled:
1) How smooth is it? Is it as smooth as the Atrix? iPhone 4? Galaxy S (after GPU acceleration fix)?
2) How smooth does flash video play in the browser?
3) Is there any ROM/Kernel I need to install to get the smoothest web-browsing experience? (I'm down with this, I just need to know if there's a solution).
4) Any hope that Samsung's GPU acceleration code can be used on the Nexus S?
Because I can afford either the Nexus S or the Atrix (I'm buying one of them in exactly 10 days), but I don't like the Atrix' screen or the fact it won't get Ice Cream this summer. I need Super AMOLED and instant updates -but not if it will mean a choppy browsing experience and poor flash performance.
Thanks!

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So I've seen many conflicting videos/reviews about Nexus S scrolling/zooming.... I heard that Samsung only optimized the browser for Hummingbird (with GPU acceleration, but of course didn't share the code with Google), but it's not available on the Nexus S.
So, on the Nexus S with Flash-enabled:
1) How smooth is it? Is it as smooth as the Atrix? iPhone 4? Galaxy S (after GPU acceleration fix)?
2) How smooth does flash video play in the browser?
3) Is there any ROM/Kernel I need to install to get the smoothest web-browsing experience? (I'm down with this, I just need to know if there's a solution).
4) Any hope the GPU acceleration code can be used on the Nexus S?
Because I can afford either the Nexus S or the Atrix (I'm buying one of them in exactly 10 days), but I don't like the Atrix' screen or the fact it won't get Ice Cream this summer. I need Super AMOLED and instant updates -but not if it will mean a choppy browsing experience and poor flash performance.
Thanks!
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*I use flash on-demand. I don't see any point in keeping flash enabled on a constant basis. You are just wasting battery life on pointless flash advertisements.
1) Haven't owned/used an Atrix/Galaxy S so can't comment.. But it's certainly not as smooth as the iPhone 4. However, the Android browser renders the entire webpage at once as opposed to the iPhone 4 and it's "checkboard" rendering while scrolling. So it's expected to be less smooth.
2) Most video I've played has been smooth. But of course don't expect to scroll through a webpage and have a video still remain smooth.
3) Most of the kernels/roms out for the Nexus S are designed with the improve performance (not the browser specifically) via filesystem tweaks, overclocking, and other enhancements. This would certainly translate to smoother browsing. However I don't bother.
4) Hopefully when we see Ice Cream on the Nexus S there will be further performance enhancements and possibly GPU acceleration. I'm hopeful the improved browser included with Android 3.0 is included with it's phone counterpart.

there´s already a thread about the same question, try this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=967608

TareX said:
So I've seen many conflicting videos/reviews about Nexus S scrolling/zooming.... I heard that Samsung only optimized the browser for Hummingbird (with GPU acceleration, but of course didn't share the code with Google), but it's not available on the Nexus S.
So, on the Nexus S with Flash-enabled:
1) How smooth is it? Is it as smooth as the Atrix? iPhone 4? Galaxy S (after GPU acceleration fix)?
2) How smooth does flash video play in the browser?
3) Is there any ROM/Kernel I need to install to get the smoothest web-browsing experience? (I'm down with this, I just need to know if there's a solution).
4) Any hope that Samsung's GPU acceleration code can be used on the Nexus S?
Because I can afford either the Nexus S or the Atrix (I'm buying one of them in exactly 10 days), but I don't like the Atrix' screen or the fact it won't get Ice Cream this summer. I need Super AMOLED and instant updates -but not if it will mean a choppy browsing experience and poor flash performance.
Thanks!
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heres a great video to answer your nexus s vs atrix questions. see for yourself http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wm3BJ2vKpGM

simms22 said:
heres a great video to answer your nexus s vs atrix questions. see for yourself http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wm3BJ2vKpGM
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Thanks man, I saw this video which is why I am a bit confused about the truth. I've also seen countless other videos where the scrolling and pinching are just painfully slow and choppy, which is why I need to ask about people's experiences.
I also don't know if this person in the video has any specific ROM/Kernel underneath...

Browser sux in bare mode. But if you use SetCpu and put the cpu at 1300Mhz it will run as smooth as butter...this is with flash and the most heaviest of web pages...speaking from my own personal experience.

simms22 said:
heres a great video to answer your nexus s vs atrix questions. see for yourself http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wm3BJ2vKpGM
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I´m curious to know if the nexus on this video has mods. Cause if it is on stock, ther is no advantage, for now , on picking up a dual core phone...actually, I thought Atrix would be something out of this world... guess not

dman777 said:
Browser sux in bare mode. But if you use SetCpu and put the cpu at 1300Mhz it will run as smooth as butter...this is with flash and the most heaviest of web pages...speaking from my own personal experience.
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Thank you! That's what I'm talking about.
What impact does the overlock have on battery life?

alexcinci said:
I´m curious to know if the nexus on this video has mods. Cause if it is on stock, ther is no advantage, for now , on picking up a dual core phone...actually, I thought Atrix would be something out of this world... guess not
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both atrix and nexus s are stock in the video. i have no problems at all browsing with my nexus s, but then again im not at stock. from what ive heard from atrix owners that also have a nexus s(like the vid) is there isnt any difference, and the ns might even be slightly smoother.

dman777 said:
Browser sux in bare mode. But if you use SetCpu and put the cpu at 1300Mhz it will run as smooth as butter...this is with flash and the most heaviest of web pages...speaking from my own personal experience.
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I was excited when I read that; but then I saw a video of a Nexus S on 1300 Mhz and while everything was fast, web browsing was still choppy; the guy was too embarrassed to keep demoing it.
http://androidcommunity.com/exclusi...d-to-1-3ghz-running-flawlessly-demo-20110104/

New Kernal for Inspire 4G in the works Along with a new theme

Hello everyone! I'm so glad to see all of the development on the android xda. I used to develop for WebOS, it's gone nearly completely quiet, even with WebOS Internalz R.I.P Palm. (Though Im still working on getting my Pre 3 testing device moved over to CM7. anyway, I've managed to benchmark, Now 25 times with Quadrant, Smart 2011, and a few others. Quadrant and Smart gave very similar results, Though you probably won't believe me until I'm able to upload screen shots.
Running CM 7.1.1
Kernel: K311wOS .9.5.8 <customized kernel I began work on along time ago, just finally found all the mods and programs and most importantly CM 7.1.1 that can handle it. >
OC 2.18ghz @ 92.2 F degrees (never gone above 98, unless charging.) And thats with me pushing it to reset.
Quadrant Low Benchmark: 2870 Quadrant High Benchmark: 4230 (Yes 4230) Average Benchmark: 3540
Well, Having only one snap dragon 1ghz, in comparison to my pre 3 running a qualcomm 1.4ghz stock and my 64GB Touchpad..running 2. with uber kernals lol, but hey it's a start to my new found, android digital life.
But yeah THANKS to the guys over at CM! Hopefully, I'll getover my n00b status on the XDA forums and can move to the developers..
But If there are better ways to test and confirm speeds, etc..please let me know, I'm trying to run this Inspire through a gauntlet because after seeing the rankings, It was Me, surrounded by Galaxy's and Zoom's, and Nexus lol I kinda find it hard to believe..
Thanks! and Hope to be getting all of you Inspire/Desire users a new kernel soon, however, I need to find a desire to test with as well, or if any developer is willing to test around with it, let me know!
Kobos311

Sounds good....SHOW ME THE MONEY!

yea... this thread is worthless without pics! lol

Welcome Kobos from one Palm refugee to another.