Now that Gingerbread has been written by google for a Galaxy S phone that is very similar in specs to the Galaxy S line, will it be fully optimized?
Will we see big jumps in benchmarks like the Nexus One did when it received Froyo? Is the reason why the Nexus One and its variants received a big benchmark boost was because Android wrote Froyo for it?
I dont think 2.3 will come to captivate....And also, would the GPS been fixed??? Im going to sell my captivate and buy some HTC....
That is ridiculous situation...we are a several months waiting for 2.2 and so far nothing...We are several months waiting for some GPS fix...and so far nothing yet....
AT&T does not care about the customers if they are confortable with the 2.1 only or not....Neither Samsung....WE ARE LOST....hurt me to say that...
But thats how i feel...IM FEEL LIKE A FOOL...
sorry, dont get me wrong....
I doubt with Samsung's record of slow updates and bug fixes we'll ever see an official port of Gingerbread to the Galaxy S. Custom ROM's much more likely but I guess they will be a while.
As for speed increase... Don't hold your breath. I've got the official Froyo 2.2 running on my UK Galaxy S and it boosted my Quadrant benchmark score from 800+ (Eclair) to only 900+ (Froyo) (Nexus One with Froyo 1250). Custom ROM's apparently give better scores. Problem? Samsung again... they use a different file system on the Galaxy S (and I believe the American equivalents) than the official Android one and this slows the device and causes most of the lag problems on it. Watching the Quadrant benchmark the Galaxy flies through the graphics and CPU tests and grinds to a halt when it tries to complete the write to memory test... Froyo didn't help and I doubt an official Gingerbread update would either. I'm afraid flashing an unofficial ROM is the only way to get speed. It can be risky though...
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I doubt with Samsung's record of slow updates and bug fixes we'll ever see an official port of Gingerbread to the Galaxy S. Custom ROM's much more likely but I guess they will be a while.
As for speed increase... Don't hold your breath. I've got the official Froyo 2.2 running on my UK Galaxy S and it boosted my Quadrant benchmark score from 800+ (Eclair) to only 900+ (Froyo) (Nexus One with Froyo 1250). Custom ROM's apparently give better scores. Problem? Samsung again... they use a different file system on the Galaxy S (and I believe the American equivalents) than the official Android one and this slows the device and causes most of the lag problems on it. Watching the Quadrant benchmark the Galaxy flies through the graphics and CPU tests and grinds to a halt when it tries to complete the write to memory test... Froyo didn't help and I doubt an official Gingerbread update would either. I'm afraid flashing an unofficial ROM is the only way to get speed. It can be risky though...
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Quadrant is a poor indicator of overall performance, which is why an ext2-loopback lagfixed rom will show astronomical scores (2300+) in Quadrant - because it is essentially telling quadrant exactly what it wants to hear. The score is artificial and doesn't reflect how the device will actually perform (not to imply that the lagfixes don't make the phone more responsive or anything, simply making the point that quadrant is a poor benchmark).
The differences you'll see between 2.1 and 2.2 are an increase in processing power and battery life due to the JIT. It's a bit difficult to test this due to outside battery-eating variables (things syncing over the network in the background, quality of reception and radio power levels, etc.), so your ability to notice a difference may vary depending on your phone usage style and environment.
Also, you can use linpack to get an idea of the processing power increase. You'll notice that it doubles between 2.1->2.2. I should warn you that it's not really comparable to the Nexus One, simply because the cpu architecture is different and linpack is geared to take advantage of it - the n1's snapdragon has a 128bit simd fpu whereas the hummingbird has a 64bit fpu, so the increase in speed will show up as 4x-5x for the n1 between 2.1->2.2. Again, this does not translate into a 4x increase in real world performance. I only mentioned linpack to demonstrate the relative speed increase between stock 2.1 for the galaxy S and 2.2, and to show that the JIT is indeed boosting the processing speed.
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Now that Gingerbread has been written by google for a Galaxy S phone that is very similar in specs to the Galaxy S line, will it be fully optimized?
Will we see big jumps in benchmarks like the Nexus One did when it received Froyo? Is the reason why the Nexus One and its variants received a big benchmark boost was because Android wrote Froyo for it?
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To my understanding, 2.3 is essentially a more optimized 2.2. I doubt that the results of the optimizations will be as large as the introduction of the JIT was in 2.2, but every little bit helps - and look on the bright side, it won't be any slower than 2.2.
I don't think we'll really know how well the Nexus S roms will run on our phones or how easy they'll be to port over until we actually get our hands on an NS rom (still don't know what filesystem it uses or how big of an obstacle the filesystem will present). However, since the fundamental architecture is so similar, I don't really expect many problems and I expect the 2.3 builds to run great.
Edit: I don't expect Samsung or ATT to release 2.3 for our phones. I actually wouldn't be surprised if ATT refused a gingerbread update for our captivates, even if Samsung offered it. What I meant above was that I expect whatever custom roms we cook up based off of the NS builds to run great.
When do we start speculating about Honeycomb?
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When do we start speculating about Honeycomb?
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When someone in our family (Galaxy S Line) gets it, which will definitely be the Nexus S.
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When someone in our family (Galaxy S Line) gets it, which will definitely be the Nexus S.
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Why wait... it is all guessing anyway. I think anything we say about Honeycomb has an equally good chance at being accurate as what we say about Gingerbread.
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Why wait... it is all guessing anyway. I think anything we say about Honeycomb has an equally good chance at being accurate as what we say about Gingerbread.
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I don't think you really understand my question.
The nexus one was a developer phone that had a snapdragon in it. Google, the creator of Android, directly engineered their software to be optimized on the device because it was their developer device.
Now that a Galaxy S phone is a developer phone, I was wondering if anyone knew anything about the software engineering side to the Nexus one to guess if google built 2.3 from the ground up for the Nexus S, or can/could heavily optimized the code for it.
Now you're question is to speculate about Honeycomb, speculate what? There's nothing to discuss about it, but my question is legit from an engineering stand point. So I'm still left wondering if this is the case or not, I wonder if there is anyone that can enlighten me.
Would be a nice pipe dream for an offical update.
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I don't think you really understand my question.
The nexus one was a developer phone that had a snapdragon in it. Google, the creator of Android, directly engineered their software to be optimized on the device because it was their developer device.
Now that a Galaxy S phone is a developer phone, I was wondering if anyone knew anything about the software engineering side to the Nexus one to guess if google built 2.3 from the ground up for the Nexus S, or can/could heavily optimized the code for it.
Now you're question is to speculate about Honeycomb, speculate what? There's nothing to discuss about it, but my question is legit from an engineering stand point. So I'm still left wondering if this is the case or not, I wonder if there is anyone that can enlighten me.
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And you don't understand my point: No one knows. We might as well speculate about honeycomb. The Nexus S has a different momory mudule iNand not moviNand. What impact will this have? No one knows until they have phones in hand.
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And you don't understand my point: No one knows. We might as well speculate about honeycomb. The Nexus S has a different momory mudule iNand not moviNand. What impact will this have? No one knows until they have phones in hand.
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What about the CPU though? The memory for the Nexus One and Droid Incredible were different, but yet because they shared the same CPUs they received similar benchmark scores in that department.
What does it matter everyone is going to flash custom ROMS of Gingerbread when/if it ever somehow leaks for our phones.
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As for speed increase... Don't hold your breath. I've got the official Froyo 2.2 running on my UK Galaxy S and it boosted my Quadrant benchmark score from 800+ (Eclair) to only 900+ (Froyo) (Nexus One with Froyo 1250). Custom ROM's apparently give better scores. Problem? Samsung again... they use a different file system on the Galaxy S (and I believe the American equivalents) than the official Android one and this slows the device and causes most of the lag problems on it. Watching the Quadrant benchmark the Galaxy flies through the graphics and CPU tests and grinds to a halt when it tries to complete the write to memory test... Froyo didn't help and I doubt an official Gingerbread update would either. I'm afraid flashing an unofficial ROM is the only way to get speed. It can be risky though...
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This is one of the things that I am optimistic about. Android 2.3 adds support for devices with large internal storage capacities - my understanding is that it was Samsung's poor attempt to hack that support into 2.1 that introduced the issues you mention above. I'm hopeful that this means 2.3 would eliminate the need for lag fixes, and that the better support for some of the cutting edge hardware in the Galaxy S Phones being built into Gingerbread will make it much easier for Samsung to push 2.3 out for our phones.
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This is one of the things that I am optimistic about. Android 2.3 adds support for devices with large internal storage capacities - my understanding is that it was Samsung's poor attempt to hack that support into 2.1 that introduced the issues you mention above. I'm hopeful that this means 2.3 would eliminate the need for lag fixes, and that the better support for some of the cutting edge hardware in the Galaxy S Phones being built into Gingerbread will make it much easier for Samsung to push 2.3 out for our phones.
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Can you elaborate? Coz AFAIK RFS has nothing to do with Samsung's attempt to make a pitiful 16 GB work as internal sd card..
From what I understand, the movinand flash which Galaxy S , when used in RFS performed horribly when doing sync operations (I think I got it from the thread ryanza posted), so, the new flash might as well be Samsung's attempt to correct that error, instead of replacing the (seemingly crap) RFS ..
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Now Froyo is supposed to be a major milestone with Android, but, frankly, I think the same thing was said about Android 2.1. I don't care much for the USB tethering (because we already have that), wifi hotspot feature (because I'm not going to use it), and so on, but there are a few major points of things I'm hanging on.
Notably, the supposed performance improvement being 2-5x greater than Android 2.1 That is a big claim and, if true, then the Captivate will be completely lag free on stock. If so, the usability on this phone will just shoot straight up. The smoother transition and animation should also help this greatly.
I'm not too concerned about having Flash 10.1, but Froyo is also supposed to come with numerous other improvements. I know the browser is being updated to support some hardware features, but I hope Google is also improving the general usability of the browser. As it is now, it kind of sucks. Additionally, I also hope the Youtube app is also updated.
Nonetheless, even if all the others remain nothing more than a dream, I, at the least, hope the improvement performance/transitions/animation turns out to be something of substance.
Well, here's to September.
The Captivate has plenty of cpu power... it seems that most of the lag we are expeirencing comes with the filesystem Samsung has chosen to use and it's poor I/O performance. I'm not sure if Froyo will help too much - but I would expect that once 2.2 hits the custom ROM scene will really kick off, and hopefull somebody will implement YAFFS or whatever some of the other phones (Nexus 1, etc) are using.
We may see better battery life if the system needs fewer CPU cycles to accomplish the same tasks it's doing now.
Don't forget - we'll also receive the new kernal which should double the available RAM from 256mb in 2.1 to 512mb in 2.2 - though the system seems to currently report there is currently 325mb aviable. In either case, it will be a big increase - though I'm not really having any memory issues at the moment.
I'm trying not to get too excited for it, but it does make some impressive promises.
^ Well, Samsung does have its own customized version of Android. I'd imagine that the one they're rolling out in September will contain an improved filesystem (as I've heard that Samsung is currently aware of the issue) and, in combination with Froyo's own improvements, should do a lot to help Android perform better.
I wasn't aware of the kernel thing. I don't see how is that possible, though. The Captivate has a total of 512MB RAM, so wouldn't it need a part of that in order to operate normally?
The new kernel in 2.2 has HIMEM support and supports more than 256mb, which is what 2.1 is limited to. I'm not sure if Samsung tweaked the kernel to support the 325mb we have now or how that figure is derived, but right now we can't use all the RAM that the Captivate packs.
^ I looked up info on 'HIGHMEM' and I see what you mean now. The updated kernel supports devices with RAM greater than 256MB RAM. I thought you actually meant that the kernel will make all 512MB available for the user.
Alright, that sounds good. I guess the additional support may be why there is supposed to be increased smoothness and animation.
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Now Froyo is supposed to be a major milestone with Android, but, frankly, I think the same thing was said about Android 2.1. I don't care much for the USB tethering (because we already have that), wifi hotspot feature (because I'm not going to use it), and so on, but there are a few major points of things I'm hanging on.
Notably, the supposed performance improvement being 2-5x greater than Android 2.1 That is a big claim and, if true, then the Captivate will be completely lag free on stock. If so, the usability on this phone will just shoot straight up. The smoother transition and animation should also help this greatly.
I'm not too concerned about having Flash 10.1, but Froyo is also supposed to come with numerous other improvements. I know the browser is being updated to support some hardware features, but I hope Google is also improving the general usability of the browser. As it is now, it kind of sucks. Additionally, I also hope the Youtube app is also updated.
Nonetheless, even if all the others remain nothing more than a dream, I, at the least, hope the improvement performance/transitions/animation turns out to be something of substance.
Well, here's to September.
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I totally agree with you. I couldn't care less about tethering, hotspot or Flash. I never used them and never will. I just don't need them.
The only thing I care about is the speed improvement. I don't really believe it will have 2-5x improvement boost because, well, every claim is exaggerated. But I am expecting something.
That said, I am not too optimistic though. I have tried several Droid 2 in Verizon stores. It's very disappointing. It feels rather sluggish and laggy. Even worse than the Captivate now. And apparently Engadget reviewer agrees with me.
So as much as I welcome the birth of 2.2, I am not as optimistic as others.
And final words, I don't think we'll get the update in Sept. I think Samsung will (hopefully) release it in Sept, but it will take AT&T another month or two to load their crap.
I wish I am wrong.
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And final words, I don't think we'll get the update in Sept. I think Samsung will (hopefully) release it in Sept, but it will take AT&T another month or two to load their crap.
I wish I am wrong.
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Since the test roms that have come out are from Samsung and they already have AT&T crap on them, I believe its safe to assume that Samsung is making the roms for AT&T. So, there should be no extra step for AT&T to load their crap...it should come directly from Samsung.
Considering 2.2 has gotten a ton of praise from other phones that are already using it I'm sure our Froyo will be a worthwhile upgrade as well. Sure, Samsung might screw the pooch on some things again, but overall it will be better.
This isn't Windoze, how can an upgrade be disappointing?
Bring on the Froyo!
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This isn't Windoze, how can an upgrade be disappointing?
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I am sure an update is always good. But if it doesn't meet the high expectations, it will be a disappointment. And I think the expectations are pretty high.
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That said, I am not too optimistic though. I have tried several Droid 2 in Verizon stores. It's very disappointing. It feels rather sluggish and laggy. Even worse than the Captivate now. And apparently Engadget reviewer agrees with me.
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Whoa, looks like I was a bit outdated. I actually hadn't realize Motorola's Droid 2 was using Froyo already (I still thought the Nexus One was the only phone that had it ).
Regarding the September release, I actually thought it was taking until September because Samsung is currently modifying all of their Froyo ROMs for each individual smartphone/carrier. After all, Froyo has technically been released already, so why else is Samsung taking until September to officially release it to all of their handsets?
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Considering 2.2 has gotten a ton of praise from other phones that are already using it I'm sure our Froyo will be a worthwhile upgrade as well. Sure, Samsung might screw the pooch on some things again, but overall it will be better.
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That's just the thing, though. As I said, prior Android releases have garnered praise too. Eclair has gotten praise and was said to improve hardware performance, have a better browser UI, improved virtual keyboard, and so on. Of those three, I think the only one I would agree has truly improved is the virtual keyboard (I think the Android keyboard works very well on Eclair). The other listed improvements? Not so much.
Of course, Froyo will be better overall, but I just hope it's actually a milestone release with the proclaimed changes making a big difference instead of just steadily updating the platform with people telling me afterwards to wait for Gingerbread.
When reviews from places like Gizmodo, Engadget, Boy Genius etc say that they think 2.2 is a worthy step up from 2.1, I tend to take it as truth.
Regardless of any of that, all of the goodness from 2.2 is dependent on Samsung/ATT because they have the power to muck it up badly as they did with 2.1.
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When reviews from places like Gizmodo, Engadget, Boy Genius etc say that they think 2.2 is a worthy step up from 2.1, I tend to take it as truth.
Regardless of any of that, all of the goodness from 2.2 is dependent on Samsung/ATT because they have the power to muck it up badly as they did with 2.1.
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Really? I find engadget and gizmodo to be awful at everything but aggregating news. Their opinions are always so uninformed and seem to be governed by whatever the fashionable opinion at the time.
Their product reviews are pretty good, or at the very least talk about the things most people would care about.
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After all, Froyo has technically been released already, so why else is Samsung taking until September to officially release it to all of their handsets?
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Samsung needs to customize it for its hardware and put on Twisted-Wiz UI. It's slow.
That's just the thing, though. As I said, prior Android releases have garnered praise too. Eclair has gotten praise and was said to improve hardware performance, have a better browser UI, improved virtual keyboard, and so on. Of those three, I think the only one I would agree has truly improved is the virtual keyboard (I think the Android keyboard works very well on Eclair). The other listed improvements? Not so much.
Of course, Froyo will be better overall, but I just hope it's actually a milestone release with the proclaimed changes making a big difference instead of just steadily updating the platform with people telling me afterwards to wait for Gingerbread.
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I don't believe a 0.1 upgrade will be considered as milestone. We will definitely see speed improvement. But it's normal for every update. You always wait for the next update. It's always snappier.
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When reviews from places like Gizmodo, Engadget, Boy Genius etc say that they think 2.2 is a worthy step up from 2.1, I tend to take it as truth.
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Of cause it's gonna be a worthy update. It's always worthy to upgrade to the next version. The question is, is it going to be as dramatic as they claimed? Personally, I don't think so.
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This isn't Windoze, how can an upgrade be disappointing?
Bring on the Froyo!
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Gotta love windows haters...
Any way, I cannot wait for froyo because I want to be able to move apps to the SD, to use flash without having to use Skyfire and using the extra memory should help too.
Plus I am expecting a TON of ROMs when it comes out so slowly but surely they phone would be maximize.
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...be able to move apps to the SD...
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Quoted for truth
I am more looking forward to an official lag fix and GPS fix moreso than Froyo.
I just read somewhere that JIT was written for the snapdragon processors and that while it may give us a little performance it wasn't really written for the hummingbird processor in our phones...so the chances of Samsung rewriting it just for us is probably very slim
The claims of 2-5x performance increase do seem hard to believe, but I believe these figures came from actual testing on the Nexus One running 2.2. Of course, I think we all know how reliable benchmarks are...
September is only a few hours away... where is our Froyo!!
From the Droid X results and benchmark it seems that Froyo did not do to the Droid X as it did for all the phones that are running snapdragons.
Some people are saying that it's because the JIT was made to run on a snapdragon.
So what is up with the benchmarks? Are we not going to see our CPU speeds increase 3 to 5 folds? Is anyone else curious about this topic?
http://www.greenecomputing.com/apps/linpack/linpack-by-device/
i went from linpack for max 9.6 with oc kernal on 2.1 plus voodoo lag fix to 13.9 on froyo, no lag fix etc. so i say its faster.
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i went from linpack for max 9.6 with oc kernal on 2.1 plus voodoo lag fix to 13.9 on froyo, no lag fix etc. so i say its faster.
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Yeah, but how do we score in the 40s and 60s? I hope our ROM authors do a better job than Samsung has.
The Droid X hasn't even been optimized yet, for some reason 2.2 isn't doing what it did to the Nexus one for Droid X and Galaxy.
Voice Search is pretty sweet: "text jenny hey what's up?"... bam, done.
Flash support is neat for certain websites.
Auto-updating apps...
There is alot to froyo than just a speed improvement (although we wish it was more of a speed improvement...)
With JI6(Froyo), OCLF(Lagfix), and rooted I'm pretty much as happy as I can be until cyanogenmod comes out.
I know benchmarks are useless, but the quadrant score I got more than doubled the stock 2.1 score at around 1900.
I haven't played around enough yet to notice any bugs, but nothing significant has jumped out at me. USB tethering and Mobile AP both work.
NO issues here...I don;t use synthetic benchmarks wither in ,my PC builds or on these devices. I go strictly by real word applications. In that regard the user experience shell and speed is better on all counts. GPS showed me 10 Sats today. I never could see more than 6-8 on the best day.
The user interface is 10X better..........
Haha oh yeah, I really want to find out if the Leak (Beta) update is really worth it, just seriously might wait for the actual update. I read in the thread that some people were reporting a CPU clock of 400 Mhz, and just bugs, which "should" be fixed by the actual update
I was really hoping that our CPUs would boost 3 to 5 times as much.
The snapdragons with 2.2 have unbelievable to near incredible results. Their CPU benchmarks have more than triples in most cases.
I'm just really trying to get to the bottom of why the Hummingbird and OMAP seem to lack this potential.
Well it's still just a leak. Hopefully the full Froyo update will roll out at the end of October. A post on the Androidforums has me thinking that end of October is when it will be released.
Regarding the Samsung Dock:
If you search really hard on the Samsung site, you find that that 3.5mm jack is "line out" and won't be functional until the Android 2.2 release.
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And from looking around for the dock, I found two sites that have it for pre-order with estimated availability towards the end of October.
As a former Nexus one owner, I can honestly say that the froyo benchmarks are in no way indicative of real world performance. My linpack went from 7 to 40 and I saw exactly zero speed up in real world daily use. There very few fringe apps that see any increase, mainly games and only a select few of those.
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I had another experience. The performance boost FroYo gave me in Nexus One was very noticeable in "real world" situation.
However, I do fail to see that ratio on Captivate.
Linpack score: 14.031
Froyo be damned, the improvements in the Samsung version of it make it more than worth it.
Here we are the last week of December. Promised dates for Froyo on the captivate have come and gone and keep changing. Samsung releases a new Android platform in the Nexus S and Google has control of software releases on it. I've had my Captivate since September, I'm running a custom ROM (Cognition) and for the most part my phone works with the GPS being the only sore spot.
Has Samsung/ATT abandoned development? Will we SEE Froyo released at all?
At this point I think the idea that they've scrapped it and are moving to Gingerbread is a pipedream.
There hasn't been a leaked final Froyo yet and that is really suprising to me.
We have the hottest hardware available right now and it's bogged down by the crappy stock software and 2.1 releases are crippled because we don't have proper source code for the Devs to work from.
I'm getting frustrated and contemplating selling this phone, but I LOVE the android platform and want to stick with it.
I feel the same way but I'm gonna hold out just a little longer
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We have the hottest hardware available right now and it's bogged down by the crappy stock software and 2.1 releases
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Out and out, I disagree with this. A Voodoo lagfix charged Cappy (i.e RFS-fixed) merely lacks Flash from 2.2.
There is no need on the Hummingbird platform for the 2.2 JIT improvements that dramatically boosted the performance of Snapdragon based handsets.
Touchwiz/Sense/etc is merely a demon that plagued pre 2.3 devices (and we haven't seen what Carrier/Vendor bull**** is coming with 2.3 yet, I wouldn't say we're out of the woods yet) and to be honest they are all as bad as each other - particularly if they are so ingrained that you can't dump them by replacing their components without root (much less adb/full rom flash).
There is 3 problems with the Captivate platform, to be sure, imo in the order of importance.
1. RFS
2. GPS
3. AT&T/Samsung's lack of updates/source/news
Overall, I think that Froyo is being held up over GPS not being "fixed" as well as the sleeping shutdown bug, and AT&T's general ineptitude.
tahnks for cutting off what I said to make your point. STOCK SOFTWARE SUCKS. Devs' custome ROMS are good, but held back due to the lack of an official 2.2 release and source code.
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tahnks for cutting off what I said to make your point. STOCK SOFTWARE SUCKS.
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It doesn't.
RFS does. If no-one had to suffer Touchwiz with RFS, there wouldn't be quite as much hate as there is.
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It doesn't.
RFS does. If no-one had to suffer Touchwiz with RFS, there wouldn't be quite as much hate as there is.
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It's STOCK and can't be modified without rooting therefore my point stands.
i really dont see what is wrong with the custom roms based on leaked firmware, it runs very smooth, and coming from a nexus one, there is definitely a noticeable difference.
but then again, the nexus one is almost a whole year older than the galaxy s phones, so if there is no difference, i would say they are doing it wrong.
meh.. Ive come to depend 100% on XDA for my updates.
I don't think we will ever see any official OTA updates from Att any time soon.
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SAmsung reps are telling AT&T they are skipping 2.2 and just putting out 2.3. Heard it from the horse's mouth ...
Take it for whatever that is worth. I doubt Samsung USA reps have a clue anymore, but that is what they shared with AT&T.
It's a good thing we have so many awesome devs creating new ROMs that are imo much better than anything AT&T/Samsung could ever release as the official updates would still come with tons of AT&T bloatware and TouchWiz, and would most likely use the laggy RFS filesystem like JF6 and JH7.
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SAmsung reps are telling AT&T they are skipping 2.2 and just putting out 2.3. Heard it from the horse's mouth ...
Take it for whatever that is worth. I doubt Samsung USA reps have a clue anymore, but that is what they shared with AT&T.
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Which "horse's mouth" is that? Mr. Ed?
It's just that there's been such a large herd of them.
I'm jumping to a free streak from my Dell rep. Can't wait to get the larger screen and front facing camera for video chatting...
wish there was more dev on it though.
I have recently seen a YouTube video in which ICS was running perfectly on the Nexus S.
Today I saw a story on Engadget.com that ICS is rolling over to Google employees (those all use Nexus S it seems), and the official release is due any day now.
[http://androidandme.com/2011/12/dev...campaign=Feed:+androidandme+(Android+and+Me)]
First of all, that's cool!
Second, why didn't we all chose to go with the NEXUS S?
Full support, source code in the open, immediate updates....
WHAT AM I MISSING?
Thanks
1.DUAL CORE a smooth as iOS if u may..
2.8 MP CAMERA with Half and FULL HD recording
4.STOCK android(if only g2x had not been with tegra 2 ICS ports would have been very very early for this device)
5.Awesome Build not as plasticy as NS
6.Tegra GAMES(official nor using plugins),
7.HDMI OUT and etc etc...
NS has only one advantage... quicker updates....nothin more literally.
just my thoughts.
I already had a Vibrant and wanted something faster. Nexus S was basically a Vibrant with better software and LESS storage.
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lotherius said:
I already had a Vibrant and wanted something faster. Nexus S was basically a Vibrant with better software and LESS storage.
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Thanks. Are you suggesting that the Nexus S is SLOWER than the G2x?
Ok, so you right. Because I had a Vibrant as well, and did notice just how fast the G2x is. B-U-T, isn't ICS going to change that?
You don't choose a Nexus S because Samsung devices suck. Problematic hardware and questionable firmware. Nexus S is also a single core device and is basically a slightly updated Galaxy S device. Also, if they do a lower power shutdown the internal sd can get corrupted and if you have not previously unlocked the bootloader there is nothing you can do to fix the device and it is permanently soft bricked (has to be sent to Samsung for warranty replacement). The G2X is a far superior device.
benyben123 said:
Thanks. Are you suggesting that the Nexus S is SLOWER than the G2x?
Ok, so you right. Because I had a Vibrant as well, and did notice just how fast the G2x is. B-U-T, isn't ICS going to change that?
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You don't choose a Nexus S because Samsung devices suck. Problematic hardware and questionable firmware. Nexus S is also a single core device and is basically a slightly updated Galaxy S device. Also, if they do a lower power shutdown the internal sd can get corrupted and if you have not previously unlocked the bootloader there is nothing you can do to fix the device and it is permanently soft bricked (has to be sent to Samsung for warranty replacement). The G2X is a far superior device.
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Too right, jboxer..... Although I liked certain things about my Vibrant, there were plenty I didn't. The thing I liked the MOST was the 16gb (12 usable) internal storage + SD Card, and the Nexus S took away the SD Card's additional storage.
And, we are CERTAINLY suggesting the Nexus S is slower than the G2X... single core processor for one... slower Ram if I'm not mistaken as well. Camera quality is worse.
And, ICS may be nice, but it isn't going to turn sow's ears into silk. That is, it won't make a phone any faster than it already is.
Have you looked at what ICS really is? As I in what it legitimately does that gingerbread doesn't?
Aside from looks (which are replicable with themes) its not that much.
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LordButtersI said:
Have you looked at what ICS really is? As I in what it legitimately does that gingerbread doesn't?
Aside from looks (which are replicable with themes) its not that much.
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ICS will fully implement multi-thread processing, which Gingerbread doesn't do. That alone should speed up multi-core devices quite a bit. In Gingerbread the dual cores are inefficiently used.
I have both and I say both are GREAT.
NS has the very best speaker like other Samsung models, and voice quality is decent (not badly compressed like other Samsung)
AMOLED + Voodoo are prefect combination and I fine tuned the screen to perfection.
G2x with Eagleblood 2.4 is GOOD even there are few minor bugs.
It is VERY FAST (2500 on quadrant)
Good color screen (bleeding is minimal)
5GB+SD (I have not tried FAT64 FS microSDXC yet as it's not commercially available).
720p video recording (Google app)
Good stuff!
The reason I brought this issue up, is because me and a friend had a discussion about his next phone (he is now with Vibrant). I said that since him and I are total geeks when it comes to our devices (test every ROM, change themes, and we actually CARE about that stuff [i guess we are bored as well, even though we're not kids anymore] ), then the NUMBER ONE thing that we need to consider, is DEVELOPMENT!
If a device is a good device, but has no dev, no "action" when it comes to ROMs, tweaks, kernels and so on, than it's just not a fun device to own.
A device that is just "plain good" would be good for our wives (and indeed, how awful it was when I tried to show my wife why CM7 is awesome - wow that went bad , but not good for us geeksters
ICS is built for dual-core devices. ofcause nexus s will run ICS but i doubt it's any faster
if not for LG, devs could have released ICS port for G2x with hw acceleration(see the dev forum)
nexus is definitely slower than g2x. the only thing makes it good is official google support
Anyone have any idea why they are still producing this phone? It just seems strange they would still be making new ones when most early adopts are already up for an upgrade.. and the hardware itself is getting old(while still running ICS thanks to our great community, it raises the question how much farther will the phone be able to be updated..)
a cheaper alternative maybe? or its just that good..
That's exactly what manufacturers wants to hear from consumers. Why buy phones that have lasting dollar values and gets frequent software updates when you can buy a new expensive one every year that doesn't have great built quality and with zero to almost no software update?
Android can use a bit cleaning up on the performance side, even the Galaxy Note stock rom have hiccups because of the bloatness, with quadcore phones they'll have more excuss to bloat and put animations in. Windows Phone 7 seems to do fine with single core. It's not like my Galaxy S is struggling with any of the new games at 800x480 resolution.
Well we already know Samsung said "Nope, ain't gonna happen" for ICS on the Captivate even in spite of builds being made available by the talented folk here at XDA and at other places online. The excuse that "the hardware isn't capable of running ICS adequately" is always a crock because I'm running Doc's Master v8 right now, ICS 4.0.3 based, and I get higher benchmarks with this ROM than the stock KK4 AT&T Gingerbread 2.3.5 ROM with:
- Quadrant
- Antutu
- Vellamo (with Vellamo I actually get slightly higher scores than a Galaxy Nexus, unbelievable)
and several others I've tried recently. So much for being "inadequate" or an underpowered device...
So, Samsung, stop whining and making excuses and just give us some ICS source so people can make a pure ROM I suppose.
Doc's v9 is nice since it's currently a beta and completely unthemed, but a lot of stuff won't install properly on it from Play (although I can install them from the APKs if I remember to manually save them in between ROM swaps).
It's a great phone, it has a beautiful design overall (one of my all time favorites, with the HD2 still being the king of all smartphones to me), USB and headphone connections on the top - I hate it when they're on the sides or bottom, and the main draw being the Super AMOLED display.
People still buy 'em, so Samsung keeps making 'em and AT&T keeps selling 'em.
Works for me.
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Anyone have any idea why they are still producing this phone? It just seems strange they would still be making new ones when most early adopts are already up for an upgrade.. and the hardware itself is getting old(while still running ICS thanks to our great community, it raises the question how much farther will the phone be able to be updated..)
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The R&D and tooling have long been paid for and there are still people buying. It's practically free money for them. The longer they're made, the cheaper they can get. The cheaper they can get, the more they're sold.
I sought this phone out actively because I liked my Epic and knew how to root & fix it easily. I didn't want a contract and for $250 brand new vs $600 for a Note it was a no-brainer.
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Anyone have any idea why they are still producing this phone? It just seems strange they would still be making new ones when most early adopts are already up for an upgrade..
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Simple, it sells. And with it running 2.3.5, it's very much up to date OS wise. It's not ICS, but at this point what is?
The early adopters are a rather small crowd of people that seems large to us because they are the tech obsesses folks that make xda what it is. They count for next to nothing compared to the "average user."
This phone is exactly what Samsung aimed for it to be, a Flagship. It was way a head of the curve when it first came out, and is still a great phone. It's been muddied by the early releases but, the fact that Samsung still won out (and is the top selling android manufacturer) means it really was an excellent device (and family of devices).
It's time is almost up though, because ICS really is beyond its abilities.
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The excuse that "the hardware isn't capable of running ICS adequately" is always a crock because I'm running Doc's Master v8 right now, ICS 4.0.3 based
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But it can't. We don't even have half the features, almost everything new to ICS has been stripped out because we don't have the hardware for it. Sure, the core OS can be made to run on our phone, but even at that we can't run it properly. The things your comparing against are to that of 2.2, ICS is not some dinky internal tweaks. It's a whole new OS, it's 4.0 not 2.4. Now I'll admit that most of the new parts to ICS are little more then shiny buttons that don't serve us much good. But it's rather easy to dismiss things you've never been able to do before. Once you get your hands on a phone actually built for ICS, that is then made future-proof like the ours was, you'll look back at the cappy and laugh at it.
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Once you get your hands on a phone actually built for ICS, that is then made future-proof like the ours was, you'll look back at the cappy and laugh at it.
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Had a Galaxy Nexus - the flagship Android 4.0 device - and couldn't stand it so I returned it and decided to wait on something better. Then the Galaxy Note came out and I can't wait to see what ICS can really do on that device, but since I can't actually afford one I guess that won't matter anyway.
Found this Captivate on craigslist for $60 and it's been fantastic since the moment I bought it. I swear the SGS feels more responsive and stable running a "hack" ROM of the same OS than the Nexus did/does. Yes it could just be some placebo effect, I suppose. A benchmark using Vellamo puts this SGS running an ICS ROM (at 1.2 GHz) outpacing the Nexus, go figure - a single core device running an unofficial hack of an OS besting the dual core flagship device for that very OS... ain't it cool?
There may be some aspects of ICS that the SGS can't do (NFC, etc) but they just so happen to be features I don't give a damn about, either so... it all works out in the end.
phone is sold
as long as ppl buy it.
u can get iPhone3gs u know - @ great price.
br0adband said:
Had a Galaxy Nexus - the flagship Android 4.0 device - and couldn't stand it so I returned it and decided to wait on something better.
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The Galaxy Nexus is not a flagship, just like the Nexus S was not. It's a debut phone and like the other Nexus phones, a developers phone. It's mean to showcase the abilities of ICS, not push the limits of a phone. Our phone came out before the Nexus S, yet that phone has a lot of the exact same internals. Why? ours was made future-proofed, nothing better was needed for GB. The Galaxy Nexus was also not top of the line at it's release, just compare it to an SGS2. Future proof would have meant that LTE was designed into the phone at start, not added later.
But you do bring up a very good point that I already admitted to, most of the new abilities are rather unnecessary for a phone. But I don't doubt that once a good ICS phone comes out we'll find ways to work them into our daily life. Just like we have for all the unnecessary things that the Cappy can do now.
The Captivate is a pretty solid phone still. I still have mine kicking around that I use now for playing music since my Galaxy Nexus doesnt have external memory (and apps are getting bigger and bigger in size so I need all the space I can get) so this phone does quite well for that.
I think I would still be using this phone if it had a bigger screen (I got big hands) and if Samsung was continuing to update this.
i use my spare captivate as a skype phone (between rom tests).
and where is the phone still being sold?