I currently use a HTC TP2 with WinMobile 6.5 OS. While I have used PPC and WinMobile for perhaps ten years now, I am getting fed up with the instability of WinMobile. It crashes (hangs) about once a day. The only way to maintain stability is to watch the "Free RAM" gauge, and soft-boot it when it drops from 85 to 65 MB.
I am now considering moving over to Android (HTC Desire).
The main reason I have stayed with WinMobile for all these years are the apps I use. I suspect the instability I have experienced is using SPB Mobile Suite as a preferred UI and some other third party apps. Nonetheless, the instability is frustrating.
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1) Is Android alot more stable than WinMobile (how often does it crash)?
2) Does Android allow using a microSD card with is formatted with FAT (I want to sometimes pull out the card and plug it into my desktop (WinVista) for sychronization and file transfer)?
3) Can Copy-Paste function be used across apps on Android?
4) Does Android have software that syncs with my desktop MS-Outlook (email, calendar, contacts)?
... thanks.
Android vs WinMobile.
Hello. Yes, it is a hole lot more stable.. and faster.
so. 1) on official roms it never crashes on itself (if the app is badly programmed, then it is the app that crashes and closes)
if you don't do anything naughty (like installing weird stuff that mangles with your cpu / os internals), the os is perfectly 101% stable.
2) by default every android phone out there uses microSD cards formatted with FAT32. there are "naughty" modifications (see above at point 1) that makes one partition the microSD for swap and ext3 for applications.
3) by design.
4) by design. it also syncs everything with google servers and exchange servers.
Android is compared to WinMob the first flight to the Moon
Android is very stable and other things u want u will get!
Android is just Perfect =) Iphone cant be better with his apps/games Android is much more then just an Appstarter like the Iphone!
I own and HD2 and my two previous phones were "Diamond 2" and "Diamond" so I've tryed all flavors of winmo for some time, and now that I'm running Android on my HD2, I can tell you that Android is really 101% stable, nothing to do with Winmo, there is no way I'm going back to winmo, plus I've found everything I used on Winmo in Android.
I was using a sprint tp2 and did the winmo 6.5 update and instantly regretted it. I hate that thing with a passion. It constantly lagged horrendiously and froze at least once a day. I got the HTC hero and satisfied to keep it until the dev's can no longer keep updating it.
There is an android port for the tp2, but not sure current status of it. You can run it for a little taste of android before spending money. Check craigslist and eBay for used phones. Got my hero for $100 with no contract extension when it was going for ~$80 in store with extensionand rebates.
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Even though android isn't fully developed for the HD2, it is as stable as windows mobile. When android is finished, it will be the clear winner in stability.
I just made the switch from the TP2 to the Desire about 2 weeks ago and from the start I have been very impressed. I fought constantly with different ROMs, tweaks and setups on WM trying to get it to just work when I needed it to. The desire isn't perfect, but in comparison it blows away the TP2. I was nervous about losing my hardware keyboard but I don't miss it as much as I thought I would. Still sometimes I wish I had it. It's worth a try though. You can always return the Desire and go back to your TP2.
Well I went from a unlocker tp2 switching between Mighty Rom and energy Rom. That phone did lag terribly a couple times a day, and is just way too slow. I upgraded to a rooted EVO switching between Vaelpak's rom and CM-6.0. Obvoiusly the EVO blows away that phone in every reguard. Overall Android has similar functions comapred to WM6.5 but is easier to use once you get used to it, and there is no comparison with the available apps for Android, you'll thng you won the lottery with all the apps you can get. Good luck
Touch -> Mogul -> TP -> TP2 -> EVO = free at last
Android 2.x's are much more stable than WM6.x's for me...no turning back now
I feel very happy since i installed android in my hd2, it runs smoothly and fast, no hangs. The only issue that i've found is the battery drainage
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Beeing a smartphone user for the last 5 years, I have tried, Symbian, WinMo, iPhone and Maemo and finally gone to Android. IMO if you are wandering between WinMo and Android in therms of functionality I must say that Android is the winner. It is more user friendly, more intuitive and I personally find it easier to use it. Even the new iPhone 4 fails to impress me when compared to my HD2 running Android 2.2.
The stability is virtually the same they both have certain things that will cause hangups and issues.
WinMo is NOT made for touch screen and any touch stuff going on is based on Sense or another overlay. Microsoft did what they could to get to the touch generation but it's a Gen behind for sure but it isn't a bad system. It just isn't "smart" when it comes to multitask.
Android is pretty customizable and is supported by a BEVY of programmers.
Here's the kicker though which may cause a problem soon:
Android is Linux based and Devs hate Linux for gaming etc. Win7 will be so much easier to port for since many devs are fmailiar with Window Programming and Win7 will make porting iOS games very easy.
For now, Android, for later, win7 may be the winner.
When I had a WinMo phone. I had to pull out battery quite some times as it freezed. On Android I've never had any problem. Even if something would crash. The app would force close and everything would be fine.
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1) Is Android alot more stable than WinMobile (how often does it crash)?
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By leaps and ******** bounds, man. The stock Android 2.2 firmware on my Nexus One is way more stable than any cooked Windows Mobile ROM I've ever tried on the three Windows Mobile devices I've used (MPx200, HTC_Excalibur, HTC_Fuze).
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2) Does Android allow using a microSD card with is formatted with FAT (I want to sometimes pull out the card and plug it into my desktop (WinVista) for sychronization and file transfer)?
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Yes.
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3) Can Copy-Paste function be used across apps on Android?
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No; it's application specific. Yes, it's completely stupid.
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4) Does Android have software that syncs with my desktop MS-Outlook (email, calendar, contacts)?
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Try this: http://www.companionlink.com/android.
Hope that helps!
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Since the G1 and now the mytouch both of which I flashed the Hero rom on, I just found my perfect business phone and this one could be a true Iphone killer and it has windows. I have not used a windows based phone since the dash and now the HD2 is making want to try it again. I live off outlook so that a plus but playing with the touchpro 2 I dont like some items, but like the Hero rich widgets, have you guys heard of anything?
Have you tried Androkidd 0.8, I installed it on my Pro2 yesterday and it seems good.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=540428
Cool, another Leo thread!
Since I posted this has there been any development on getting andriod on the HD2? Now that the Evo has come out I am hoping the process has been helped?
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Since I posted this has there been any development on getting andriod on the HD2? Now that the Evo has come out I am hoping the process has been helped?
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The developers have finally overcome the segfaults which previously prevented the Linux kernel from booting fully, meaning that Linux can boot fully, and Android is possible. However, the touch screen doesn't have any Linux drivers, meaning that until someone develops a touch screen driver from scratch, that Android (or any other Linux userland) is unusable without a USB keyboard/mouse plugged in .
The EVO 4G seems similar to the HD2, and it is reasonable to think that it may help in development of Android for the HD2, but it's actually quite the opposite. The hardware used in the HD2 is much different than that in the EVO. Besides the common appearance, the two devices are completely independent of one another, and the developers are mostly on their own. Just a small word of advice: don't ever buy a phone because of features that have yet to be developed, as there is absolutely no guarantee that Android/Linux will ever work fully on the HD2.
Leo is a great device, and it´s not outdated as it has the same or even more power than some newer devices.
WM is doing well on it because it´s fast processor
I agree withthe above poster. I think HD2 and WM have years left. Right now its the only phone I can do everything I want with, except HULU, which I firmly beleive will come. Heres what Android or iOS4 or WP7 will have to do out of the box for me to give up WM6.5
1. Play nice with my hava box for live TV.
2. Emulate PS1 game flawlessly
3. Play the PS1 games with a wireless PS3 controller.
4. Play any kind of video in existance thats under 2GB in file size with no frame dropping or quality loss.
5. Word, and Excel
6. a FTP program
7. Cut, copy, paste, and open with...
8. Streaming radio and play, OGG's, AAC, and other off brand codecs
These are my main concerns when I hear about WP7 coming. I fear we may loose all the killer software that has been build the last 5 years. Hopefully WP7 will have a compatability mode. LOL
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I agree withthe above poster. I think HD2 and WM have years left. Right now its the only phone I can do everything I want with, except HULU, which I firmly beleive will come. Heres what Android or iOS4 or WP7 will have to do out of the box for me to give up WM6.5
1. Play nice with my hava box for live TV.
2. Emulate PS1 game flawlessly
3. Play the PS1 games with a wireless PS3 controller.
4. Play any kind of video in existance thats under 2GB in file size with no frame dropping or quality loss.
5. Word, and Excel
6. a FTP program
7. Cut, copy, paste, and open with...
8. Streaming radio and play, OGG's, AAC, and other off brand codecs
These are my main concerns when I hear about WP7 coming. I fear we may loose all the killer software that has been build the last 5 years. Hopefully WP7 will have a compatability mode. LOL
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Because we are the minority. those lovely features you speak of wont be present in most phone os going forward. Apple has shown that dumb down super simple phones are the way to go. btw I dont mean dumb down in the sense that they suck. What I mean is, we as a community are use to having free reign on what we do with our phones. The average user will do more harm than good with these features. With great power comes great responsiblity.
I like android! I havent seen a single thing that it cant do. Infact because of people like cyanogen its grown at record breaking speeds to be come a contender.
One of the best things about android is I have been able to install albeit modified versions of android on my g1 and my friends droid.
Now hes currently running froyo before motorola even has a chance to update it.
Thanks for the posts....I am using my Gen 1 Mytouch and while I like it a lot, its starting to be to slow for me.
I think the reason why I won't to windows is that I like the Andriod market a lot, being able to get a program , etc
But I am a windows guy on my laptop running outlook, office, etc and I am thinking it would be better for my business to switch to WM?
Maybe I need to research the market to see what I can get
Come on in the waters fine! With the snapdragon wimo 6.5 really pops. Its equal to or greater then ios4 or android. Once you get cookiemonsters app up, everyone at your work will be jelous of your phone. From comparing my multiple wimo phones with friend iphones and droid phones I can easily say once my rom is selected and phone is tweaked its actually much more stable then the other phones.
What OS do you prefer: Android 2 or Win Phone 7
how will we know? no-one got ttheir hands on either yet?
its a completely subjective and pointless questin (IMHO)
google is the wolf in sheeps clothing. they call MS the bad guy while they own the world's info.
I'll take a windows HTC phone since this community will support it way better
Considering no one has WM7 how do you expect to get a decent tally from the poll at this point?
With that being said - IF the older windows mobile software will run on WM7, then I will stick with windows mobile simply because there are more apps avail.
WP7S looks much sexier than Android.
imagine if possible, what you chose?
The Android 2.x has multitasking (rather than The Android 1.x which has no multitasking)
In contrast, the Windows Phone 7 has no multitasking (while the older Windows Mobile/Phone has multitasking, including the oldest Pocket PC)..
And I REALLY NEED MULTITASKING, so I choose the Android
web 2.0 crap
i hate social networks...
stay on windows phone classic
hmm update:
android gets me
still hatin social networks....
currently the chances to be able to move any current htc device to wm7 are much much smaller then moving them to android 2
wm7 is not a follow up for wm6.X it's a different branch's which don't run wm6.x programs and require hardware other wm6.X devices don't have
so chances are if you really really like wm7 you need to get a new device
and hope that many developers head in that direction rather then android, iphone or nokia n900
because old pocketpc apps don't work
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currently the chances to be able to move any current htc device to wm7 are much much smaller then moving them to android 2
wm7 is not a follow up for wm6.X it's a different branch's which don't run wm6.x programs and require hardware other wm6.X devices don't have
so chances are if you really really like wm7 you need to get a new device
and hope that many developers head in that direction rather then android, iphone or nokia n900
because old pocketpc apps don't work
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Windows Embedded CE 6.0 features a completely redesigned kernel, which supports over 32,768 processes, up from 32 process support of the previous versions. Each process receives 2GB of virtual address space, up from 32MB.
well, seems like the only choice we've left is android.
& wm 6.xx is terrible.
Judging from what i saw at MWC 2010 i'll personally stick
to winmo "classic", that's what they are calling WM6.X now.
WM 7 looked very lame and boring to me. Look like it's
bound to be a major setback for MS and a significant
growth in the Android arena. A change to radical.
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The Android 2.x has multitasking (rather than The Android 1.x which has no multitasking)
In contrast, the Windows Phone 7 has no multitasking (while the older Windows Mobile/Phone has multitasking, including the oldest Pocket PC)..
And I REALLY NEED MULTITASKING, so I choose the Android
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1.6 DOES multitasking.
Anyway, Android is better than WM in many aspects..
From Touch Pro to HTC Hero. Too bad it has the same qualcomm crappy procesor, but it's faster than WM and way more handy (notification bar simply rocks).
And about WM7.. I don't like it. A total downgrade.. IMO. RIP WM
So yes, i vote for Android 2
RIP Windows Mobile... I originally got you because you were so hackable and customizable, but this new version just sounds like an iPhone clone two years too late....
Android is definitely going to be where it's at for the phone hacker community (it seems...)
i will not be surprised if someone in XDA-DEV managed to cook a rom for touch pro that will support windows mobile 7..even now,with their help,we are able to boot our touch pro with android OS..just wait and see..
Hey is it just me or is the FUZE just slow and lags all the time? i flashed the rom and put in the ENERGY ROM but it's still slow sometimes, especially when I text but even in general functions.
Does the internal memory have anything to do with speed? Is it possible for me to transfer all my text messages to my microsd (and to save future ones on my microsd card)? Thanks!
I was looking at apps for touch pro using the live marketplace and other sources as well. Man there aren't too many good ones; i think windows probably as the worst app selection, which iphone being best and android second am I right? Can someone correct me on this? For instance, I was just trying to find an English to Chinese dictionary; i searched for hours and I finally came up with one decent dictionary. In comparison, I used my friend's Iphone to look for one and a ton just came up in a few minutes wtf. man I'm really getting frustrated with this phone lol; i thought it'd be really great but honestly now i'm kind of disappointed. i might even just get an iphone just because there's so much platform support for it. So many websites have apps specifically designed for iphone that it's really convenient...the same can't be said for htc =/.
Have a look at these Chinese Dictionaries:
http://pocketpc.mobisystems.com/product.html?p=2&l=1&pid=157&i=1
http://pocketpc.mobisystems.com/product.html?p=2&l=1&pid=255&i=1
http://pocketpc.mobisystems.com/product.html?p=2&l=1&pid=283&i=1
http://pocketpc.mobisystems.com/product.html?p=2&l=1&pid=308&i=1
http://www.lingvosoft.com/LingvoSoft-Chinese-Platinum-Pack/
http://www.gakusoft.com/kinghanzi.htm
http://www.declan-software.com/pocket_pc/chinese/index.htm#dictionary
http://www.hnhsoft.com/dictec
Laggy device ! I'm on standard latest 6.1 ROM & not having any real issues. Probably related to ROM, settings or installed software.
Windows Mobile is far more flexible than iphone ect but it does need more user knowledge to get the most out of it.
I already looked at those for the most part...I was just looking for free dictionaries lol. I don't want to pay for one because 1) I'd rather use my money on other things lol 2) if i reset the device, I'm not sure if I can reinstall it so that could be a waste of money.
I can't believe one of them is 200 dollars wtf lol.
Btw, I would think that the game support for Windows Mobile would be great because well it's PPC so I assumed games would be easily ported from PC. Man the games suck on PPC lol. I tried installing COD2...the controls were so bad I gave up. The only good games I've gotten are NFS and this game called Meon.
Hmm so you think that the device's hardware is laggy or is it something about my phone? Do phones get slower over time?
I think the lack of support for Windows Mobile compared to Iphone and Android is definitely one of the big problems. the latter two OSs are so much more user friendly and intuitive (although they have their own problems but I think the benefits outweigh the cons). If only Iphone had a slideout keyboard lol...
Really depends on what you use the device for in regards to applications, I have software related to engineering calculations that is only available to PPC platform plus I like the hackability of CE platform giving the ability to make things how you want them.
Games are a bit limited but you can find a few good ones & also a few good emulators for sega ect.
Support is good for the PPC but not so much in the average mobile users needs for games & gizmo apps.
Is there a way to save all my text messages onto my microsd card and access it from there instead of saving it on the internal memory?
Hi,
Currently have an Axim X51v with WM6.1 and want to replace it with a Smartphone. I'm on Sprint and I narrowed my search down to 1) Touch Pro 2 with WM6.1, 2) HTC Hero 3) Samsung Moment, both with Android.
TP2 would give me a familiar OS and stylus. It's also going to cost $100 more, and I am concerned with battery life and speed - it's got a slightly slower processor than Axim. Not sure if the screen is bright enough in direct sunlight - Axim's isn't. If I get it I woud probably get rid of TouchFlo3D and install iPhoneToday, PocketBreeze, Calligrapher and FTouchSL.
OTOH I have no idea about Android, I'm concerned that I won't be able to find a decent replacement to ListPro, Excel or PocketInformant, and syncing data may be difficult (my employer blocks Google Docs for security reasons).
So can someone educate me on what can I expect moving from WM to Android, and if either Android device is faster or otherwise better than TP2 ?
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Hi,
Currently have an Axim X51v with WM6.1 and want to replace it with a Smartphone. I'm on Sprint and I narrowed my search down to 1) Touch Pro 2 with WM6.1, 2) HTC Hero 3) Samsung Moment, both with Android.
TP2 would give me a familiar OS and stylus. It's also going to cost $100 more, and I am concerned with battery life and speed - it's got a slightly slower processor than Axim. Not sure if the screen is bright enough in direct sunlight - Axim's isn't. If I get it I woud probably get rid of TouchFlo3D and install iPhoneToday, PocketBreeze, Calligrapher and FTouchSL.
OTOH I have no idea about Android, I'm concerned that I won't be able to find a decent replacement to ListPro, Excel or PocketInformant, and syncing data may be difficult (my employer blocks Google Docs for security reasons).
So can someone educate me on what can I expect moving from WM to Android, and if either Android device is faster or otherwise better than TP2 ?
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Go for the Samsung moment! windows mobile on tp2 swallows! It lags too much and the keyboard sucks unless you have skype the battery life is ok so is the screen. But the proccessor SUCKS! i would know from experience. it was rooted and would lag even with 6.1!
Plus android has alot more apps and flash player. And the moment has a keyboard which is a plus. The hero sense lags it at times so i wouldnt recommend it
I basically have 2 concerns - losing a stylus and thus the ability to take handwritten notes, and losing ability to move around documents without having to jump through hoops.
Also, have a question regarding multimedia capabilities - how would you rate Moment's ability to play MP3s (sound quality)
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I basically have 2 concerns - losing a stylus and thus the ability to take handwritten notes, and losing ability to move around documents without having to jump through hoops.
Also, have a question regarding multimedia capabilities - how would you rate Moment's ability to play MP3s (sound quality)
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Qualitys good i played with one when i stayed at my friends house. Im not gonna lie the android music player has thee worst graphical UI though. Unless you get the htc music app running your stuck with a lame player. If you dont find it loud enough root it and install audio hack. Its 1.99 i think but its well worth it. If you get the hero root it too and if it gets slow use set cpu its free here but it costs on the android market. Let me know when you decide
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Qualitys good i played with one when i stayed at my friends house. Im not gonna lie the android music player has thee worst graphical UI though. Unless you get the htc music app running your stuck with a lame player. If you dont find it loud enough root it and install audio hack. Its 1.99 i think but its well worth it. If you get the hero root it too and if it gets slow use set cpu its free here but it costs on the android market. Let me know when you decide
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Any votes for the Touch Pro 2 ?
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Any votes for the Touch Pro 2 ?
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YES! If you need the android apps, you can get them on the TP2, the keyboard is the best on any device i have ever tried and it isn't laggy, the sprint firmware can be upgraded to a customROM over at PPCGeeks and here in the RhodW forum
If you do want Android native, i would get the Evo 4G, not the hero or the Moment. If i lived in th US i would get one, but i'm in the UK
I hope you make the right choice
Good luck
OK, thanks both of you guys for creating an utter confusion.
I do a lot of work related stuff on my Axim and WinMob with all its limitations has many tools for that. The main ones for me would be PhatPad for notetaking with stylus (like having a book of Sticky notes with you at all times), Excel, ListPro for information gathering, PocketInformant and Pocket Breeze for scheduling, and so on. Going with TouchPro2 I'd retain all of these tools. But then it's 2x more expensive, and possibly slow.
Samsung Moment seems to be snappier, Android is from what I heard more fun to use, and I save some bucks. OTOH would I still be able to do all the stuff I did on WM with it ? Who knows.. in the end I'm afraid it's going to be a coin toss.
Would it be a true statement that Android on Moment is faster, smoother and has longer battery life ? Also, what about reliability - I've had 2 phones from Samsung, one was great, another one piece of junk.
Yee!
Sorry bout that haha. But the tp2 sucks trust me im a previous owner and i spl unlocked it. After every rom id try it start to lag sometimes needing a reset. For some reason wm is like running hero rom on the g1. Flies at first but it sucks after a while. And the tp2 keyboard is aight. I personally like smaller keyboaRDS. And the optical trackball and notifications bar is better on the moment but like the other user. The evo 4g is key to success! HAha
I bought an HTC Pro 2 yesterday, and Windows Mobile is horrible. It freezes, using the internet is nothing like an Iphone, and this morning it cut off by itself and would not power on at all no matter what, and the battery was full. I had to take out the battery and reinsert it to get the phone to come on. Soft Reset would not work.
Is there a way to install Android 2.2 on my phone?
Thanks
dude, trust me, the TP2 is great device. Find a nice WM ROM and install it, this will fix most of your problems.
as for surfing, I find Opera Mobile more than capable...it's fast and displays content in great way. Opera mini is a great alternative too.
Regarding your question: check this link
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=589
you can dual booth WM & Android on your TP2
I personally like WM more. It's much easier to customize.
I recently installed Android on my kaiser, and I'm starting to like it..maybe I'll install it later on my HD2 and see how it really works on fast device...
Remember that these ports will not be without any problems, they are not made by HTC, so is you are looking for stability, go for a good WM ROM. This will be the best thing to do.
Check out ppcgeeks.com, they have a ton of CDMA ROMs for windows mobile, I personally have BigNaDads Sense ROM and it is my favorite by a long shot, very stable and comes with alot of things preconfigured....