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WM 7?

Anyone know any specifics about release dates etc? Wouldn't mind changing 6.5 for something a little newer. If I hadn't absolutely hated Nokia and Mac I would've started looking for something else by now
Cheers!

tiwas said:
Anyone know any specifics about release dates etc? Wouldn't mind changing 6.5 for something a little newer. If I hadn't absolutely hated Nokia and Mac I would've started looking for something else by now
Cheers!
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October to November is currently the best guess.
Recent rumours are suggesting that there may be two different versions of WM7, a stripped down "Business" version and a richer "Media" one, with Business being out Q4 this year, and Media not till next year.

if they split it up like that then I wonder why they'd need 6.5 anymore....
I recall first plans were WM 6.5 for media hype and WM 7 for business. Even if I thought this didn't make a lot sense to not have the new OS for media bimm bamm.

Rumours are also that it's no longer based on Windows CE, but on the Zune HD kernel instead; that it WON'T be backwards compatible with earlier versions, and won't run on 99.9% of existing WM devices.

FloatingFatMan said:
Rumours are also that it's no longer based on Windows CE, but on the Zune HD kernel instead; that it WON'T be backwards compatible with earlier versions, and won't run on 99.9% of existing WM devices.
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Well if that rumor turns out to be true then I can only imagine the disappointment of some.

cerebralgenius said:
Well if that rumor turns out to be true then I can only imagine the disappointment of some.
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IF the rumours are true, it'll be a blow for existing software BUT, a good step for Microsof to take. I mean, have you seen the Zune HD's UI? WM7 is meant to be using that, and if so, iPhone is in trouble.

well if it runs .net then at least some apps would work

There is even newer rumor or supposedly unofficial response from microsoft, about this CE rumor. Ant it states, that Wm 7 bill be using CE7. And CE7 was already offcialy announced as to it will be using ARMv6 arhitecture.
And there is a Microsoft Commercial, where you can see some WM7-style thing beeing run on HTC touch Pro, and Xperia X1. So ported it will be, but how fast will it work on such devices, having only MSM7200.

FloatingFatMan said:
Rumours are also that it's no longer based on Windows CE, but on the Zune HD kernel instead; that it WON'T be backwards compatible with earlier versions, and won't run on 99.9% of existing WM devices.
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It's false.
I don't know if it definitely CE7, though it probably is. I am hearing that it can run 6.x apps so long as they are the same resolution. Trying to get more info.

RAMMANN said:
if they split it up like that then I wonder why they'd need 6.5 anymore....
I recall first plans were WM 6.5 for media hype and WM 7 for business. Even if I thought this didn't make a lot sense to not have the new OS for media bimm bamm.
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6.5 is for cheaper, lower-specification hardware. Remember that the HD2 represents the least powerful, lowest resolution device capable of running WM7. Any new WM phone with a hardware spec in any way inferior to the HD2 will run WM6.5 instead of 7.

read this:
http://wmpoweruser.com/?p=12237
there's only 1 choice left for us: 100% stable android rom.

Shasarak said:
6.5 is for cheaper, lower-specification hardware. Remember that the HD2 represents the least powerful, lowest resolution device capable of running WM7. Any new WM phone with a hardware spec in any way inferior to the HD2 will run WM6.5 instead of 7.
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I think that Windows Mobile 7 will be ported and modded to run on older HTC devices too

Win_XP said:
I think that Windows Mobile 7 will be ported and modded to run on older HTC devices too
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Yeah, I reeeeeally don't think there will be an official WM7 rom for my Fuze, but I'm hoping the chefs here will be able to make a stripped down version.

Win_XP said:
I think that Windows Mobile 7 will be ported and modded to run on older HTC devices too
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I'm not 100% sure about that. The problem is that Windows Mobile 7 will run on either Windows CE 6 or 7, as opposed to the Windows CE 5 comprising Windows Mobile 5.x and 6.x. Someone will likely have to create nearly every low level component from scratch, so the OS will support the older unsupported hardware. It might be doable, but it won't be as simple as running 6.5 on a WM 6 device. There's a thread here which goes into more detail concerning Windows Mobile 7 on a current generation device (Touch Pro2), and it doesn't look good.

malatesta said:
It's false.
I don't know if it definitely CE7, though it probably is. I am hearing that it can run 6.x apps so long as they are the same resolution. Trying to get more info.
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Until MS officially announce something, everything we hear about WM7 is going to be rumour; and one rumour can't refute another because they're both just that, rumours.
We'll have to see if they drop any more info in Feb.

DaveTheTytnIIGuy said:
I'm not 100% sure about that. The problem is that Windows Mobile 7 will run on either Windows CE 6 or 7, as opposed to the Windows CE 5 comprising Windows Mobile 5.x and 6.x. Someone will likely have to create nearly every low level component from scratch, so the OS will support the older unsupported hardware. It might be doable, but it won't be as simple as running 6.5 on a WM 6 device.
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Well it was also possible to run 6.5 on PPC 2003 devices. Probably not really stable but it was possible. but anyway I don't really care. 6.5.x will stay on my Topaz and I'll pick up a new phone for WM 7 of course

http://www.mobilecrunch.com/2010/01/18/everything-you-need-to-know-about-windows-mobile-7/

Win_XP said:
I think that Windows Mobile 7 will be ported and modded to run on older HTC devices too
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DaveTheTytnIIGuy said:
I'm not 100% sure about that. The problem is that Windows Mobile 7 will run on either Windows CE 6 or 7, as opposed to the Windows CE 5 comprising Windows Mobile 5.x and 6.x. Someone will likely have to create nearly every low level component from scratch, so the OS will support the older unsupported hardware. It might be doable, but it won't be as simple as running 6.5 on a WM 6 device. There's a thread here which goes into more detail concerning Windows Mobile 7 on a current generation device (Touch Pro2), and it doesn't look good.
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RAMMANN said:
Well it was also possible to run 6.5 on PPC 2003 devices. Probably not really stable but it was possible. but anyway I don't really care. 6.5.x will stay on my Topaz and I'll pick up a new phone for WM 7 of course
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Yes, but every version of Windows Mobile from 5.0 onwards has been based on the same Windows CE kernel; that's one reason why other OSes (like Android) run so much faster than WinMo on the same hardware, and permit 720p video recording, etc. - a lot of the underlying code in WinMo hasn't been upgraded in six years.
To put it in desktop PC terms, going from Windows Mobile 5.0 all the way up to WinMo 6.5 is the equivalent of going from Windows 95 to Windows ME - it's still basically the same OS, just with a few tweaks to the UI. By contrast, going to WM7 will be like going from Windows ME to Windows Vista - a completely different operating system kernel, with a completely different driver model.
The drivers will be the biggest problem. Unless there is some device out there that officially runs WM7 and which uses exactly the same component as one on your target platform, there simply won't be anywhere you can get a driver file from; and even if such a thing exists, piecing together complete support for every component of a device by picking and choosing driver files from many different platforms would be an enormous effort.
There is a reasonable chance that we will see WM7 running on the HD2, even if there isn't an official release; that's because HTC is apparently using the HD2 as a WM7 development platform, so if someone leaks the ROM they use for testing, the cooks here could probably cobble together something reasonable using it as a basis. But for any other device, realistically there is no chance at all.

Look Here
Its CE 7.0
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=618631

odd would be the first time ever ms made a wm release based on a ce core not available already and tested for stability

### can we port WebOS to HD2??###

just wondering, if people are trying to work out android into HD2, then a webOS inside HD2 is even better

+1
if htc buys palm as the rumors say than maybe we'll have a chance to see this...

antaed said:
+1
if htc buys palm as the rumors say than maybe we'll have a chance to see this...
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Could prove to be very interesting if the rumors come true.
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i got hd2, palm pre and nexus one at the moment..hd2 is the best hardware wise, palm is the best OS wise...n1 stand in the middle...
i don't even bother thinking about windows 7... webOS is way better than wm 6.5.5 (of which the platform is much older)
android comes surprisingly good though..
if htc does buy palm then we surely will get something like hd2 with palm OS..
i can use my hd2 solely because of custom roms...using standard rom is out of question

iwang said:
i got hd2, palm pre and nexus one at the moment..hd2 is the best hardware wise, palm is the best OS wise...n1 stand in the middle...
i don't even bother thinking about windows 7... webOS is way better than wm 6.5.5 (of which the platform is much older)
android comes surprisingly good though..
if htc does buy palm then we surely will get something like hd2 with palm OS..
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my first choice was the palm pre but i got tired of waiting for it. htc hero was the best android at that time - good alternative but outdated. nokia's n900 was also an interesting alternative but i decided to go with the hd2.
now, after 5 month with it i think it was the best decision i could have made. it's far from perfect but thanks to this community it's getting better and better and i enjoy every minute of this experience.
iwang said:
i can use my hd2 solely because of custom roms...using standard rom is out of question
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i couldn't agree more

yeah
need something like pop up sms, like chompsms in android..is there any in hd2?

It would be a great experience if we can try WebOS.
However WebOS is just a Linux like Android and because it is HTML-based the coding is also very limited and we can't have all the powerful applications that can be made or found on Windows.
Beside it's better to code in the state of the art C# than in old HTML.

ForceField said:
It would be a great experience if we can try WebOS.
However WebOS is just a Linux like Android and because it is HTML-based the coding is also very limited and we can't have all the powerful applications that can be made or found on Windows.
Beside it's better to code in the state of the art C# than in old HTML.
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Say what? I dont understand that statement. Linux is build on C, surely you are mistaken by saing android is coded in HTML...

snipey said:
Say what? I dont understand that statement. Linux is build on C, surely you are mistaken by saing android is coded in HTML...
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I didn't said that Android is coded in HTML.
I am a Coder snipey and this is not me who you is mistaken
I know what .NET is capable of and what HTML is capable of:
WebOS is HTML based and if you know how to code in HTML or Javascript then coding applications for WebOS is really easy because it is simple.But with this simplicity you will not be able to make powerful applications.
.NET C# is Microsoft's latest language and heavily supported it is also very different from C in matter of syntax and much more powerful because of the graphic.
With this new language(not that new though) you can write very complex code that can give powerful applications.
This is what I was stating.

WebOS is not just html - it is mainly based on JAVASCRIPT - when you say HTML it sounds outdated, but javascript and xml (AJAX) is the new thing when it comes to merging the line between web apps and desktop apps.
Plus Linux is C based. So if Palm unlock the OS it could run native linux apps.
Also, check out the latest games on the palm app store, like Need for speed, those are not HTML based.
Palm has cracked the mobile multitasking issue with a very intuitive paradigm, I only wish the hardware was better (e.g. larger screen, better graphics processor).
Drop WebOS on HD2 hardware and I believe they will finally topple the iPhone's dominance of the mobile market.

you're both a little right.
WebOS is primarily HTML, CSS, and Javascript. However, the recently released PDK (Plug-In Developers Kit) also allows coding portions of WebOS apps in C/C++. The architecture is similar to Web Browser Plugins (since most of WebOS is basically a web browser in nature anyway...)
It's right Here: Palm PDK Overview

switch symbian os to windows os

hey guys
i am new to the fourm and i want to ask about a strange thing
i have htc hd2 runing windows mobile
then i bought a samsung hd phone runing symbian
and i want to erase the symbian and install any windows mobile version
can any one help me about that
i can pay for this
thank you all for you time

Not possible

archi_mahmoud said:
hey guys
i am new to the fourm and i want to ask about a strange thing
i have htc hd2 runing windows mobile
then i bought a samsung hd phone runing symbian
and i want to erase the symbian and install any windows mobile version
can any one help me about that
i can pay for this
thank you all for you time
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officially impossible.
non-officially: talk to the ROM chefs to come up with a decent cooked ROM

OmniaHD? Way to downgrade.
Symbian S60 is god-awful, especially S60V5.. what were they thinking? It's so locked down. Give me my WinMo and cooked rom flexibility any day of the week!

Actually, there was an insider ROM for WM7 which was used by Microsoft for showoff reasons.
But it is prolly gonna be like Cobalt for the Tungsten T3 - it will never leak out...

IIRC, the phone used by microsoft was different to the Omnia I8910HD. It did however look very similar, but the case was different at least. (That doesn't mean it wasn't one, but I doubt it, and expect it to simply be a ad hoc demo device, apposed to a ROM that will never be released).
On a side note, I do agree, S60 is somewhat crap, I can't stand the full screen QWERTY keyboard, and is very locked down. It can be hacked to run some apps from the OVI store etc though, like OVI maps (about the only good thing). But then again, it does shoot good quality video.

Will there be any new devices with Windows Mobile?

Does anyone know if any of the big manufatcurers is planning to release some new devices with Windows Mobile?
I really would like a phone with a 1Ghz CPU and hardware keyboard (and all the other basic features of modern smart phones) but i cant get warm with Android and Windows Phone is totally useless for me.

I don't think so. WM 6.5 is the older version of WP7 so it would be weird to release new phones with an old OS.
You should jump into Android. It's definitely better than WM that I've used for years but I would never come back to that OS.

WM is not the older version of WP, WP is something new. They have nothing in common.

I know, thanks. Let's not split hairs on words.
This is Microsoft new mobile OS if you prefer so this is really unlikely that manufacturers would release new devices with MS old OS. MS themselves have buried that OS and have designed a totally different OS as WM didn't fit anymore with new devices. Not finger-friendly etc.

nurps said:
Does anyone know if any of the big manufatcurers is planning to release some new devices with Windows Mobile?
I really would like a phone with a 1Ghz CPU and hardware keyboard (and all the other basic features of modern smart phones) but i cant get warm with Android and Windows Phone is totally useless for me.
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As far as I know, there are no plans on creating any new Windows Mobile devices. But, you never know. I believe these (http://developer.android.com/index.html; http://www.htc.com/www/product/hdmini/overview.html) are the latest and probably the last new WM phones from major manufacturers.

why you choose android not wm?

such as title

Since Microsoft doesn't bring out anything new or exciting to the Windows Mobile 6.5 and its Windows Phone 7 being in the 'beta-like' stage with no apps to do everything like in Android yet, its Android meanwhile.

Hamsn said:
Since Microsoft doesn't bring out anything new or exciting to the Windows Mobile 6.5 and its Windows Phone 7 being in the 'beta-like' stage with no apps to do everything like in Android yet, its Android meanwhile.
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simply OPEN SOURCE CODE based on LINUX.....i don´t need anymore....

WM is dying, but it still has some awesome games, Quake, Pocket UFO, Civilisation, Crayon physics so ill continue to use it.
Android is currently the closest thing to what WM was (With bonus spying and adds from Google) and it is fun to play around with and visually stimulating. Hopefully one day some of the awesome games can be remade/ported for android.

ppclike said:
such as title
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That's an easy one for me, I got an HTC HD2 with WinMo 6.5 and had many problems almost all related to the OS. I flashed it to Windows Phone 7 (Thanks, XDAdevelopers!) and liked it even less.
I flashed an Android 2.2xx NAND and flashed an Android boot screen and the phone is now very close to perfect for my use!
You can go to the T-Mobile forums and read non-stop complaints about just how bad the HD2 really is but it's all the OS, once changed to Android, it's a great phone. Of course Android can't fix the phone's two major problems which are no 4G and no WiFi calling but that's hardware limitations.

Simply I hate Windows World, open-source rules!!!!!!!!!

Not ready yet...
Hamsn said:
Since Microsoft doesn't bring out anything new or exciting to the Windows Mobile 6.5 and its Windows Phone 7 being in the 'beta-like' stage with no apps to do everything like in Android yet, its Android meanwhile.
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This exactly. To add to that, Win 7 also lacks the customization available in Android. Half the dev team in my IT department have Win Phone 7's because they're MS junkies (and I say that with love lol) but the other half have Android phones because it gives them more control over their mobile platform.
Personally, if Win Phone 8 is enough of an improvement, and Nokia comes out with a good phone running it, on Verizon, I'll be very tempted to switch... The Office integration would be a huge benefit to me for work purposes.