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Why all these new WM6 ROMs?

I am a bit surprised that so many new WM6 ROMs are appearing on this board. The majority just appear to have been created using the Pandora kitchen.
The Pandora kitchen is so incredibly easy to use so why not just create your own ROM. We all have different requirements so no downloaded ROM is likely to suit anyone other than its originator.
The current Pandora kitchen is IMHO close to perfect. Cook your own it really is easy.
Provided you only flash the OS and nothing else you are no more likely to "brick" your Wizard than if you flash one of the preprepared ROMs - perhaps even less likely.

Dude, not all ppl have the patience, the knowledge (to edit files, edit/delete hex strings), and probably neither the courage to flash their own device for uncountable times in order to make something that will suit their needs.
I am not trying to tell you that I've got balls and super-knowledge to do that and someone else doesn't. The Pandora's Box is awesome, so is the Core Pro Kitchen also. But If it was THAT easy, MS would have also released a kitchen for every user to cook their ROM.

Im afraid I must agree with scotch whisky.
It reminds me of all these "WINXP UTILITIES AIO 2007 XP GOLD" packages that you often see.
I moderate a few boards and I do remove such things, Its not to say that what is being produced here isnt worthy of recognition, but I think it is certainly an idea to thin it a little.
For example lock the topic as soon as it is created and then have simply 1 well moderated thread for bug reports.
(And for gods sake can someone please shoot the noobs that feel they must post useless cr*p in every thread i.e "plzz sum1 [email protected] WM6 4 my PSP!!! PLZZZ!!!)
Just my 2ct...

Whiterat said:
Im afraid I must agree with scotch whisky.
(And for gods sake can someone please shoot the noobs that feel they must post useless cr*p in every thread i.e "plzz sum1 [email protected] WM6 4 my PSP!!! PLZZZ!!!)
Just my 2ct...
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i like idea of wm06 for PSP ( screen calibration specifically ).
rofl.

Yep, I sort of agree... I'm about to work on the next release of XM6, but it basically is just going to be from the excellent Pandora Kitchen and packages, so was starting to question even releasing it (I may do some customizations to things, but really not sure). There are so many slight variations with minimal "custom" changes (other than splash screens) that pretty much any of these can be built by about anyone with minimal work (or thats the way it appears).
Faria and Doubleofour opened the cooking floodgates with their easy to use Kitchens. The Core and Pandora kitchens have just increased the proliferation.
mattk_r's work on providing a "Complete" solution (kitchen, excellent base rom, and tons of oem packages, and even cleaning up MMS and all and giving multiple versions) makes Cooking like a Instant Dinner. Just add the premade ingredients that you want, mix, and bake... Presto, your "perfect" rom just for you...

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...so was starting to question even releasing it...
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While the shear quantity of ROM's is, perhaps, unneeded, I for one sure hope you release the next version of XM6! Part of the internet community's ideals is reuse. I surely appreciate mfrazzz's (and the others' he built on!) ROMs.

mfrazzz said:
Yep, I sort of agree... I'm about to work on the next release of XM6, but it basically is just going to be from the excellent Pandora Kitchen and packages
mattk_r's work on providing a "Complete" solution (kitchen, excellent base rom, and tons of oem packages, and even cleaning up MMS and all and giving multiple versions) makes Cooking like a Instant Dinner. Just add the premade ingredients that you want, mix, and bake... Presto, your "perfect" rom just for you...
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Couple of things. First, MFrazz, your Crossbow Reloaded ROM is fricken awesome. What was the reason to change from Faria to Pandora? I'm not asking sarcastically...since I am new to all this I am really curious and I'm wondering if I should drop your previously made Crossbow to go with XM6 (or XM6-Reloaded or whatever you plan to call your next version).
Also, where can I get Mattk_r's "complete" solution with the base ROM and all the OEM packages? I would love to see what I'm capable of doing if I had all the right tools and packages available. I have a little bit of creative talent inside me. Yeah, I guess I could just ask Matt...or he could respond...so whoever knows the answer, that would be cool. Matt posts too much (and is a huge help!) to just do a search on his name.
Thanks!!

I once tried every new rom. But then i stopped flashing - because every rom only have minor changes and some have programs instlled i never use.
I think it was hard work for the first released WM6 ported by faria and mun - which were made very clean by e.g. anichillus (and many more....)
But now - afetr this great kitchens were released - cooking is very simple. So it is not really nessecary to release every new liitle step of a rom.
I stop for it - and started USING my device.
BTW - i have a herald now. But still read some of the wizard forum stuff - but it is getting more and more a "fight" - who got the NEWEST files and the BEST looking - it´s more a pimp contest then a developers forum.
Like other say: Just my 2 cent
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Interesting views and opinions. A while back when I first joined the forum, I tested a few roms (Xplore 1.0/1.1, MBE and Love) and quickly jumped onto Faria's/Scooters/Doubleofours kitchens to figure out how to build my own. It became apparent that it needed some "simplicity" and consolidation.
I still like the idea of roms being build and developed by cooks. This way the non-technical users can try them out and give honest feedback, without having to go through the kitchen learning curve. It's hard enough just to keep from bricking your hardware for the newbie.
User feedback can help drive improvements to the base packages and ultamately back to the kitchen - and other builders will benefit as well.
The kitchen I post is a collection of everyone elses work. I simply try to keep it updated with the great improvements that collect amongst all the different threads. I don't take / want credit for what's there - I didn't make it - I just try to make it easier

Ya i would say that there is way to many rom going around that just as too much the same!! I have my own base and i just run off that!!! No need to chnage and chnage from one to another!! I was going to release mine but then i thought that i would not be able to put up with poeple moaning so i have not! It is built how i likw it and that is that!

So Matt, I was looking at the thread in your signature link listed as "kitchen thread" and it looks like it doesn't work for T-mobile, is that correct? (T-mobile is always listed as "coming soon")
So for a guy like me...T-mobile user...heavy interest in business use and e-mail use (so Office and messenging are required...other toys are just fun fluff) what is the best kitchen to use for making my own ROM?
Or do you think of novice newbie like me should just stick with other people's ROMs? (Be honest...if its too hard to do...I'll screw up my phone in a heartbeat)

This is a simple question to answer.
Some people don't have the time to learn to cook a rom, such as me. I just like flashing couple times here and there specific roms that match my preference. Rom cookers are nice to share their stuff with the community and this helps fix current bugs and everyone learns something new with the bugs. I don't mind the experimenting.
You got all the random people complaining about how this rom needs this app or this rom should remove this. With different roms shared, one of the roms should be close to what they need.
Right now, the pandora 3.2 VC version is fitting my needs and experimenting with the different roms, this is the one I like the most.

ExploreMN said:
So Matt, I was looking at the thread in your signature link listed as "kitchen thread" and it looks like it doesn't work for T-mobile, is that correct? (T-mobile is always listed as "coming soon")
So for a guy like me...T-mobile user...heavy interest in business use and e-mail use (so Office and messenging are required...other toys are just fun fluff) what is the best kitchen to use for making my own ROM?
Or do you think of novice newbie like me should just stick with other people's ROMs? (Be honest...if its too hard to do...I'll screw up my phone in a heartbeat)
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I would say to you, ya go for it make your own rom how you like it!!! There is so much help on here that you will always be able to do it!!!
Try faria's kitchen
Packages
8 Button Commanger
I have different packages aswell that i have not shared on here so if you need something let me know!

ExploreMN said:
So Matt, I was looking at the thread in your signature link listed as "kitchen thread" and it looks like it doesn't work for T-mobile, is that correct? (T-mobile is always listed as "coming soon")
So for a guy like me...T-mobile user...heavy interest in business use and e-mail use (so Office and messenging are required...other toys are just fun fluff) what is the best kitchen to use for making my own ROM?
Or do you think of novice newbie like me should just stick with other people's ROMs? (Be honest...if its too hard to do...I'll screw up my phone in a heartbeat)
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the tmobile reference is only for the extended rom. you would have the same result if you cooked your rom and ran the cabs afterwards. I'm adding the tmo ext roms just for those cookers that would like to "automate" the installation of said cabs, but aren't ready to make their own - it's easy but one more learning curve to hurtle.
For example, I cook my combo, click the "enable extended rom" box, and build the rom. Since my extended rom has already been flashed, I don't have to add it every time to the nb2nbf_wizard. When the phone flashes, it goes to the extended rom and runs my WAP cabs. Saves me a couple extra steps, since I flash so damn much.

scotch, Ive been saying the same thing since The kitchens appeared. The real releases should be only Build number changes. Unless the builds change, why cant people just use the kitchen, put in what they want and call it a day

ExploreMN said:
Couple of things. First, MFrazz, your Crossbow Reloaded ROM is fricken awesome. What was the reason to change from Faria to Pandora? I'm not asking sarcastically...since I am new to all this I am really curious and I'm wondering if I should drop your previously made Crossbow to go with XM6 (or XM6-Reloaded or whatever you plan to call your next version).
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Yes, Crossbow Reloaded was based off of the Faria "the real thing" ROM kitchen. I only moved away from that base for XM6 because the Ingenetics rom came out which is a newer base (but didn't have some of the newest updates since it was built when that rom first was released). Personally, the Ingenetics rom seems more stable, quicker, and easier on battery, so I felt it was the next best direction to go (but since the base was different, I renamed it so it wouldn't confuse people as it is different than the Crossbow Reloaded series). If I get time, I may go back and revisit Crossbow Reloaded again (as I liked those roms too). Maybe look at melding the two back together (but they are pretty close already other than the base, and I see the Pandora / Ingenetics rom kitchen helping me do that, thus the direction the next release of XM6.

theres so many new roms because cooking is popular now...People never like the roms that are out so they think they could make a better one they way they like it..so they do..I've done the same thing not to many roms fit my needs..i need something clean but with everything still so i created my own rom and I'm Very happy with it right now so I released I must of made atleast 100 different roms before the release..so if someone sees your rom and it meets there needs thats good for having so many roms..

WizeMan said:
Dude, not all ppl have the patience, the knowledge (to edit files, edit/delete hex strings), and probably neither the courage to flash their own device for uncountable times in order to make something that will suit their needs.
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I think this says it all. With the Pandora kitchen you don't edit files or edit/delete hex strings.
You just select what you need and press the button. It takes no more than 10 minutes to cook a ROM including flashing.
You need close to zero knowledge of computing to do it.

I actually want to cook my own rom but maybe I made it harder than it needs to be. For one thing, are all of the packages available in a thread or do the cookers go hunting for packages? As an example, all the programs I want are included in Crossbow Reloaded, but I don't want all of them (and maybe I want to add a couple more but that's not as important). Now, are all of these packages readily available to add to the ROM?
I was also unclear on why sometimes ROM cookers talked about compressing some components. Like, I remember mfrazz would say that he was removing compression on a couple of htings when the dialpad started disappearing on ROMS.

abasu2003 said:
I actually want to cook my own rom but maybe I made it harder than it needs to be. For one thing, are all of the packages available in a thread or do the cookers go hunting for packages? As an example, all the programs I want are included in Crossbow Reloaded, but I don't want all of them (and maybe I want to add a couple more but that's not as important). Now, are all of these packages readily available to add to the ROM?
I was also unclear on why sometimes ROM cookers talked about compressing some components. Like, I remember mfrazz would say that he was removing compression on a couple of htings when the dialpad started disappearing on ROMS.
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I think what is needed here is for someone (Matt!) to write a simple user guide to using the Pandora kitchen. It is obvious from this thread that many people believe that using the kitchen is far more complicated than it actually is.
Matt and others are the experts here. They have made the kitchen incredibly easy to use but do not appear to have got this fact over to a minority (or is that majority) of users.
A simple user guide avoiding all technical terms is required. Anyone who can flash one of the pre-prepared ROMs has more than enough knowledge to use the kitchen.
Matt- It I didn't say before -Great Kitchen

Need a ROM suggestion for HTC Wizard

Hi, I´m new here and I need a little bit help...
I want to flash my HTC Wizard with a good working WM6 ROM, but I don´t know which one...
Which one is the newest and best working ROM, I need a suggestion.
VoIP is very important for me.
Please give me a hint...

You will have to do the same thing the rest of us did, test them out. Each chef is diffrent and will include diffrent things in thier rom to fit THIER needs. Sometimes you will find one that will fit yours, sometimes you wont. Its a hit of miss type of thing.

lukesky333 said:
Hi, I´m new here and I need a little bit help...
I want to flash my HTC Wizard with a good working WM6 ROM, but I don´t know which one...
Which one is the newest and best working ROM, I need a suggestion.
VoIP is very important for me.
Please give me a hint...
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Well...you asked for a hint so....
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=315178
There are instructions in his post for voip.

famewolf said:
Well...you asked for a hint so....
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=315178
There are instructions in his post for voip.
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I tried this ROM - with this ROM VoIP don´t work on my device...

lukesky333 said:
I tried this ROM - with this ROM VoIP don´t work on my device...
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As NTS said, then you need to just go out and start flashing roms and find what works for you.
FWIW: I know people that are using VoIP on my roms with no problems. I've never used it so I can't assist there, but there are threads about running and setting up VoiP on WM6 and all around here. Google can be your friend...

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Google can be your friend...
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Well said my friend.

I was wondering the same thing as lukesky333... and I've been downloading ROMS left and right so i can start testing them out. I was just wondering if there is a place on the site that lists what is and isnt included in the different ROMs, for comparisons sake?

illistic said:
I was wondering the same thing as lukesky333... and I've been downloading ROMS left and right so i can start testing them out. I was just wondering if there is a place on the site that lists what is and isnt included in the different ROMs, for comparisons sake?
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The first post of each rom lists what is in them (or what has been removed usually). There have been many suggestions of someone maintaining a list like this (in a forum thread or on the wiki) but nobody has ever done it (and as a cook, I honestly don't care to maintain something like that myself. Sorry). To me, its not that hard to look at the first post of each rom and look and see whats in it, what its based off of, etc. Sure to a noob, this is a daunting chore with the terminology and stuff, but I honestly don't know how to make it easier.
If someone creates some type of comparison chart on the Wiki, I'd be willing to attempt to update my own rom info on it, but I have no interest in another project that I'd have to maintain...
And I'm sure if that is done, people will then complain about the way its formatted, or its not easy enough to read, or why is it in the wiki and not the forum (downside if its in the forum is only the original author can maintain it, or a mod), yada, yada, yada....
Just look how many roms have exploded onto this forum with all of the kitchens now available... I think this chart may be HUGE (and people will all start to see there isn't a lot of difference between many of these roms, as they are just personal mixings of existing roms with almost no changes other than included apps).

illistic said:
I was wondering the same thing as lukesky333... and I've been downloading ROMS left and right so i can start testing them out. I was just wondering if there is a place on the site that lists what is and isnt included in the different ROMs, for comparisons sake?
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This is a comment from a noob - so take it with a pinch of salt. When I considered flashing a new ROM, I could see quite a few alternatives - XDAr2, NBD, SeeNoEvil, mattk_r's etc. Almost all come from two main build sources - 318 and 1413. (See the thread on difference between the builds.) After cycling through a few ROMs, and basically liking all of them, I picked one ROM. I am planning to stick with this ROM for 2 reasons:
1. I realized that once you have a decent ROM, you can always add on the other applications. Even if there is no cab version for an application, you can build one easily.
2. With a good registry editor, you can tweak the registry to your liking - e.g GPRS disconnect button, no SMS delivery notification, etc.
Almost all the available ROMs are basically a collection of apps (point 1 above) and registry tweaks (point 2 above). I settled on mattk_r's ROM of 318 with touchflo. The main reason was that it comes with a kitchen and gives quite a good choice of apps and registry settings that you can include.
So, there is no simple answer to the question asked. But the ROMs here give a good start.
BTW, there is a new ROM based on 1437 build. Now I am tempted!
kernelguy

(new user) What is protocol to pay someone to upgrade MDA to WM6 + slide2unlock?

Hello, I have read many threads here over past month re various ROMS people here have developed to upgrade various mobile devices. I have the MDA from T-Mobile (HTC wizard). As all of you know, t-mobile would not support this device for windows6. But I read the various pinned threads re: step by step instructions for how a user would prep his phone then flash rom. Despite the clarity of the steps, I am not at all confident I can handle this stuff.
Newbies make many mistakes at specialized forums like this one, and one of them may be what I am asking: But, is there a place on this forum where one can engage an XDA pro to do the flash rom upgrade and install a few upgrade apps like slide2unlock?
If so, please point me to the correct place. If this is not officially supported here, then if someone can do this, could you PM me?
I would like to ask publically, in the event this kind of service is allowed here, what is a fair & reasonable price for doing this?
Also, I understand the risks -- and though it has become very unlikely, i understand it is possible that a flash rom procedure could brick my phone. Thus, I am just guessing that anyone who would undertake the task of doing this for me would have me first sign a release form which states that I understand the risks and that I accept that should there be a glitch which ends up bricking my phone, I am 100% liable for that risk, and that the person performing the upgrade work would be in no way liable for any malfunctions that would arise.
I am at the point where I would accept losing the value of my phone -- with the high probablility that the upgrade would work just fine, thus improving my productivity and capabilities in using my phone.
For example, I just installed skype for PocketPC on my phone, and it works. A year ago I had tried this and it didn't. So I know that though my processor and ram are fixed and are inherent limitations, but that with the new OS (wM 6) plus other mods, the overall performance capability of the phone is increased by large measure.
It's funny but I tried a friend's iphone the other day and he, without prompting, asked me to type an email. I did, using the multi-touch keyboard. Still, with its recognition capabiities, I made errors every 3rd or 4th letter entered. Conversely, when I use the stylus on my MDA, I have much better success. Sure, training would improve -- maybe -- but I for one don;t accept the basic premise that the stylus is inferior, and that finger touch is the only way to go. When it comes to scrolling, absolutely the finger brushing seems 100 times better than any stylus. But I guess my point is, I think there is still quite a bit of good life remianing in my MDA.
And I absolutely use the handwriting note taker everyday... and would want to retain the abilityt to use the "transcriber" app on windows, because i find it pretty reliable to me, with the only downside being the non-smart Windows OS that fails to auto-toggle to KEYBOARD whenever i have to enter a user name or password, thus requiring manual switch to keyboard, then back again to transcriber.
Sorry for the length. I'm been delaying for months getting this addressed, and so I wnated to just ask: can someone do this for me? If so, how much will it cost? And what would be the shipping & payment arrangements.
Thank you much,
Richard in SF

hey man everything you need is for free, don't pay a cent unless your donating to someones work or if wrose comes to wrose you have to ship the process is very simple, I would link but I can't even use my computer my motherboard ****ted out so the links have been in my sig you'll read the unlocking for dumbys fallow that to the T then you can use mine or any other wm6 rom on the forum then search the slide to unlock here and I'm sure you'll find some threads with it..
if you still don't want to unlock your phone I would do it for if you cover shipping once my computer is fixed if it every is..it was my first custom build computer didn't expect it to last this long LOL

its free, just follow the threads, unlocking and flashing a new rom, just follow it to the letter you will not be misled, i did it on my own as well as the others before me, i dont have much knowledge in the computer or pocket pc either, slide to unlock you just have to download the latest version, copy it to your pocket pc and install from there, then go to start/programs/slidetounlock click it and its done
if you commit a mistake just post your problem a lot of people will help you, its better to do it on your own rather than having others do it, because there are a lot of new stuffs for the wizard

1st see check the forum to see if you have a G3 or G4
This is VERY important
I don't have a G4 so i don't know there steps but with a G3
Look for the button rom. Flash to that 1st. It will unlock your phone.
Flash back to your carrier's rom (tmobile in your case)
Flash to new Wm6 rom. So far Octavio's 5.7 is the best for me. There are a lot of choices. If you decide to flash to another WM6 rom after that, 1st flash back to your carriers. It helps to have a stable base and i find i don't get bad flashes that way.
The new slide 2 unlock is a cab file. just copy it to your phone and double click it to install. There is a setting program you will find under programs on your phone.
Radio 2.19 gets rid of almost all missed call issues should you experience them.
and SPL 3.08 will speed up your boot process (mine boots with Octavios in 7 seconds)
Hope this helps you. If you have a G4 though don't follow the above.
If someone could post here how to tell the difference as i forget how nowadays, we can start him out right without bricking his phone.

its best to look up this topic about rom flashing..
it is a nice tutorial and will help you a great deal with flashing
the device as it should be done..

There is no reason to pay anyone for this. There is a very detailed wiki that will detail everything you need to know about how to go about upgrading your Wizard. It is surprisingly easy once you get going. You just have to be patient and have a tough gut. The link to the wiki I'm talking about is in my signature titled How to upgrade to Windows Mobile 6 For Newbies!!
Just read that whole wiki and make sure you understand everything and once you feel confident that you understand what you've read, begin the preparation stage and download EVERYTHING you will need to finalize the process in advance before ever starting. This will make the upgrading process go more smoothly.
Good luck.
P.S. I am available for chat on AIM or Windows Live Messenger if you would like me to walk you through it. I will NOT, however, accept any payment or do it for you. Everyone needs to learn on their own because hypothetically, what happens if you tell me what ROM you want and then I do it all for you and then you decide you don't like the ROM or it is too buggy, then you have to either send to someone else again and pay for it to be changed, or learn how to do it yourself. My addresses are at the top of every one of my posts.

Okay, everyone who replied, thank you. I will get focused and do it
It reminds of when I was a kid and climbed up the high dive for the very first time, and looked down at the pool. Low dive had not been a prob... but high dive seemed a certain disaster!
But I am here to tell the story, so, okay I guess I can manage.
I will go back to the threads and wiki and print out instructions first, then determine what kind of phone I have, then go download everything I will need, as suggested, and proceed.
but here's my User 101 question: Part of what makes me nervous is the nomenclature itself" What does it mean to "flash a ROM"? I don't even get that. I know that ROMS are read-only-memory, and are the thing that one updates when new firmware is released for a device. But as silly as it sounds, I don't know what flash ROM means. Similarly, I am looking for a replacement video card for my Mac, and forums recommend that the fastest cards for the Mac are ones that are PC cards that are flashed.
I am sure once I hear what it means, technically, I will "get it", by right now it seems like sending a jolt of electricity to some printed circuit and that's what makes me nervous.
Thank you all very much.

status: I determined i have a G4 device: ipl: 2.26.0001

Sir...24 hours ago I barely knew how to take pics off my phone and put them on my computer. After reading most all the stuff posted here for about a good hour, I attempted it and got everything to work (just like they said) in about 70 minutes. I took my time, read everything twice (sometimes three times) and went for it. Don't be scared to break a few eggs to make the omelet.
It's kinda like that scene from The Matrix where there is a blue pill and red.
One road takes you right back to where you were before and you never knew the difference and the other "frees your mind."
You won't regret it.
-Ivan

quicksite said:
status: I determined i have a G4 device: ipl: 2.26.0001
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Ahh ignore my instructions then... and when you flash a WM6 rom make sure it is G4 safe... ask the maker of the rom. Most will tell you.

Let me see if I understand the HardSPL vs Soft SPL choice:
Thanks Ivan... I just read the instuctions several times. I can just say right off that distilling this down to a single wiki entry has removed a great deal of the anxiety -- and hats off to those who constructed this - as well as those whose prior work formed the basis for the underlying info. Many months before, when Windows6 had just come out, and carriers like T-Mobile opted to not support it on their Wizard device (MDA), the inital reverse engineering that took place here to first successfully create a windows6 rom was fascinating... but the steps back then to try it yourself were filled with warnings about bricking phones... Then later, when then iphone first came out, it seemed to me that the windows6 upgrade for a Wizard/MDA was then scripted and reliable -- but everyone's expectations were rasied with the introductuin oif some very cool functionality of the iphone, including the sldie2unlock function, as well as the scroll with a finger brush movement.
At that time, there were people on YouTube who within 2 days had emulated the slide2unlock functions onma Windows Mobile device, and for me the question then was "how much of that iphone functionalituy can be replicated for these windows based devices?". This is part of why I held up digging in. Then lo and behold the HTC Touch appeared, and I read people here requesting owners to publish the ROM - and amazingly now that has been all cracked and merged into (apparently) some of these Windows6 ROMS.
I am in awe of the enterprising abilities of the pros here. And now am ready to follow the process. Seems to me I am going to get a far greater phone as a result than many which T-Mobile is selling as their new state of the art.
The one thing I would like to parrot back to see if I digested fully:
As for whether to use HardSPL or SoftSPL, this is what I understood:
(1) USING HARD SPL:
Pros: Once installed, you can then try ROM/upgrade after ROM/upgrade without intermediate steps of needing a separate loader. Useful if you want to try various ROMS til you find the one that best meets your needs. This is possible because HardSPL tricks your device into thinking it hads CID permanently unlocked,
Cons: If you have to return the phone to carrier for warranty work or replacement, in order to not void your warranty you must first return the ROM to be the carrier's official version, and you must then uninstall HardSPL, so there are no traces of "tampering".
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(2) USING SOFT SPL:
Pros: If you have to retunr the phone to carrier, your warranty is preserved by simply restoring the Carrier's official ROM first.. and since HardSPL to not overwrite any CID information, there is nothing to uninstall.
Cons: If you want to try various ROM versions XDA developers have created and shared here, there are extra steps required each time you want to try a new ROM... whereas if you'd installed HardSPL, there would be no intermediate steps.
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Do I have this correct? If so, what am I missing -- because it seems like a simple choice and that HARD SPL provides much greater ease and flexibility. And as for restoring the phone to Carrier's warranty compliance, as I understand, you STILL have to prep the phone before returning it to carrier. In case of using Soft SPL, you simply have to restore the official ROM, then done. Whereas, if used HARD SPL, you have to do that as well, AND uninstall HARD SPL. have I got this right?
if so, from what I read, the one additional step required is to run Start-sSPL.exe, whiuch sounds to me like it is automated - such that as long as you follow directions, HARD SPL uninstalls.
I *do* see the language "Removing HardSPL - USE AT YOUR OWN RISK!" -- and I saw also "If your SPL is still 2.21.olip then you did something wrong and are prob staring at a pretty expensive paperweight."
But what I did NOT see is: "Running Start-s-SPL.exe is buggy and not reliable, so to play it safe, we recommend using SoftSPL."
So I just would like to get a reply to this before I proceed. (thanks!)
And thank you ROCOAFZ for giving me the shortand steps if I had had a G3 model. All the help here is phenomenal.

Hello All. Newbie with some doubts

Hi
This is my first post around here but I have been lurking around for awhile. I'm currently waiting for my Kaiser to arrive (already in the mail) and reading everything I can about this wonderfull device.
Although I'm pretty inclined for technical stuff, I still have some doubts about certain things. I've read through the wiki and several posts here but I'm still not sure if I got everything right.
Radio: base module/program/loader/whatever that controls basic functions on a kaiser like call management, camera, connectivity, power management, etc. It seems that some radios work better for some people in specific areas than for others in different areas. Its not linear which radio works best (also rom dependant). Did I got this right?
Cooked Rom: basically a form of installing an OS and specific apps into rom memory. The advantage over having a stock rom with a bunch of installed apps is that the cooked rom already has those apps and they stay in case of a hard reset. On a stock rom with installed apps you would loose everything but the rom data. Another advantage of cooked roms is that the "chef" can optimize certain things in order to make things run faster and smoother. Is this right?
HardSpl: The bootloader that enables one to free the device in order to install cooked roms and other stuff. Usually the higher version the better but also depends on the cooked rom compatability. Hope I got this right.
Thx for any comment. Can't wait to have mine
Regards
Tony

what the hell are you doubting this was kinda a dumb thread. You basically have it right but all you did was make a statement, you really didn't ask much of a question you could have looked all that up.

Keep Reading take your time!
you need to security unlock your phone and Hard SPL it, before you do anything. do that or you will be stuck with a $600.00 paper weight. you are right about the radio and rom. You need to flash the rom that best meets what your needs are then flash a radio see how it performs, Battery , GPS lock, signal strength, call quality etc. Try one then another till you find the one that works best for you. My AT&T in Michigan running the same radio as you if your on AT&T in another part of the state may act differently. I may get fast GPS lock and strong clear signal and you on the same Rom and radio get a battery drain no GPS lock and you phone sounds like it's in a tunnel. So you experiment with different radios, read the post see what others say about Roms or radios when your ready to Jump in and enjoy. The main reason for me to flash my own rom and radio is I can configure this device the way I want it to be not how the OEM made it. Just remember before you do anything HARD SPL and security unlock your phone. then you will be safe or as safe as one can be, There is plenty of information in the WiKi on Hard SPL you sound like a Tech you should have no problem. Have fun and welcome.
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joel2009 said:
what the hell are you doubting this was kinda a dumb thread. You basically have it right but all you did was make a statement, you really didn't ask much of a question you could have looked all that up.
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Try not to be so harsh to someone that is asking for help, He states he is new, Give him a short window to get up to speed.

joel2009: Sorry man but I'm trying to get up to speed as I can. I had a big laugh after taking 3 hours to find out that "radio" is an interface rather than a FM radio feature.
I learn quick but never the less, this isn't as simple as 123. Try to remember how you felt when you first found out about this site. If you were to take up on helicopters and ask about fix vs collective pitch, I wouldn't bash you although it's a question that is made four thousand times per day by newbies. Gimme some slack
edbutler: thx for the tip. I've read about hardspl. I have 3.29 waiting right here. it will be the first thing I'll do. about removing the security code, are you refering to removing CID and security lock as refered in the Wiki (SuperCID and Security Unlock v0.2)?
For now I think I'll stay with the stock rom. I'll upgrade it to the lastest version (and play with the radio) and then I'll start from there. Here in Portugal, many people complain about the low time they get from the battery (stock roms and radios as provided by HTC give less than half a day sometimes) so probably the default radio that is shipped in this region isn't probably the best for the local carriers.
Thx again for the comment.

tchavei said:
joel2009: Sorry man but I'm trying to get up to speed as I can. I had a big laugh after taking 3 hours to find out that "radio" is an interface rather than a FM radio feature.
I learn quick but never the less, this isn't as simple as 123. Try to remember how you felt when you first found out about this site. If you were to take up on helicopters and ask about fix vs collective pitch, I wouldn't bash you although it's a question that is made four thousand times per day by newbies. Gimme some slack
edbutler: thx for the tip. I've read about hardspl. I have 3.29 waiting right here. it will be the first thing I'll do. about removing the security code, are you refering to removing CID and security lock as refered in the Wiki (SuperCID and Security Unlock v0.2)?
For now I think I'll stay with the stock rom. I'll upgrade it to the lastest version (and play with the radio) and then I'll start from there. Here in Portugal, many people complain about the low time they get from the battery (stock roms and radios as provided by HTC give less than half a day sometimes) so probably the default radio that is shipped in this region isn't probably the best for the local carriers.
Thx again for the comment.
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bump, its all in wiki....
btw I'am trying to create cab to copy dll to windows directory, seems the cab always fail... some how it cannot install,.. is there any parameter need to be added to the cab?

This was a surprisingly smart post. Most new people who ask questions and havent read any of the provided information...I will not flame this post like I had originally planned =)

Help me pick a ROM & radio

First let me ask all of you to put down your guns: I know the response these posts usually generate. I'm just looking for a couple quick recommendations because I just don't have the time to search through all the posts right now. I'm trying to get a quick stable ROM on my wifes' Titan, and I haven't looked into Titan ROMs in so long I'm lost right now (spending my free time on the HD forums).
I'm looking for a lite version with a stable browser on it. I'd like TouchFlo (I know, NOT lite!), but I won't sacrifice stability for it. Also, either 6.1 or 6.5 if the Titan is running 6.5 acceptably.
The Titan is unlocked and I have Dutty's ROM on it(not sure what version, flashed 6-12 mths ago), but Opera has never worked very well, and IE won't work at all.
Also if you could recommend a radio, I'm in the US on AT&T. I did read some of the radio post and I'm pretty sure I'll need help there.
Thank you

I'm sure like the rest of us you can read threads flash ROMs and Radio's and find what suits you.............
"The response you will get will be the same as asking BEST-ROM"
Hint most popular ROMs are in the first pages
Thank you.

Yes I can read it, but I know how much time it takes to really understand what these ROMS do, and how they work with a radio. There's no way I could duplicate your knowlege of this device in a day or two, which is why I put the request out there. Heck, after reading the radio thread, I'm suspecting that is what may be wrong with the device now, but I just don't have the time to take her phone from her and try to re-create the wheel. I've done all that with my HD, and I think the Titan is more difficult because of the age of the hardware and increased variables.
You know, where would we be without the opportunity to learn from those who have gone before? Wait, don't answer that......

mwelch16 said:
Yes I can read it, but I know how much time it takes to really understand what these ROMS do, and how they work with a radio. There's no way I could duplicate your knowlege of this device in a day or two, which is why I put the request out there. Heck, after reading the radio thread, I'm suspecting that is what may be wrong with the device now, but I just don't have the time to take her phone from her and try to re-create the wheel. I've done all that with my HD, and I think the Titan is more difficult because of the age of the hardware and increased variables.
You know, where would we be without the opportunity to learn from those who have gone before? Wait, don't answer that......
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eH..................................this is the Kaiser forum, I am sure there are a lot of people over at the TiTan forums that will be happy to chastize you for being lazy and inapproriate in starting a new thread with a question like this.
I am busy and don't have the time, is not an adequate response for disobeying forum posting rules

KAISER! My device is a Kaiser and I'm typing Titan! My apologies. Go ahead, shoot.

I'm not going to flame, but (even if you get answers) it's just opinions. I always tell people - it's like coming on here and asking which is the best flavor of ice cream. No right answer and no wrong answer.
You're going to have to choose between Windows 6.1 and 6.5. 6.5 is pre-release, so more in the developmental stages (although there are great ROMs out there). I'd go with a 6.1 unless your wife is a tinkerer.
FWIW - I use PDACorner Ultimate V3, but only because I haven't found the time to upgrade to V4, which only came out yesterday. He has a Lite version, but his ROMs run so well - I personally don't mess with the Lite (even though I use Mobile Shell 3) versions. They run as fast as just about anything out there and they are well constructed. I've used literally hundreds of ROMs and I've stuck with his for the past 10 versions or so (used HyperDragon before that). As for radio...you have to figure out what works best in your area with your carrier.
Again - my opinion. You could easily get two dozen different ones and none would be "wrong". Just make sure you know what you're doing before you flash any ROM. Read the wiki and all the instructions.

Thanks for the suggestion. Even though my thread here doesn't show it, I've been working with these devices for quite a while, so I know the ins & outs. That's the main reason I asked the question, I know how much research I would need to put into this phone, and I just can't for a device that has about a 4 month life until I upgrade it. BTW, I am in your area with your carrier, so I would like to know what radio you're using. It gives me a place to start.

My suggestion
I'm going to make it easy for you, buddy. Just look at my signature.
Those are my recommended ROM & Radios.
HardSPL 3.29, 3.31, 3.34 are also recommended.

mwelch16 said:
First let me ask all of you to put down your guns: I know the response these posts usually generate. I'm just looking for a couple quick recommendations because I just don't have the time to search through all the posts right now. I'm trying to get a quick stable ROM on my wifes' Titan, and I haven't looked into Titan ROMs in so long I'm lost right now (spending my free time on the HD forums).
I'm looking for a lite version with a stable browser on it. I'd like TouchFlo (I know, NOT lite!), but I won't sacrifice stability for it. Also, either 6.1 or 6.5 if the Titan is running 6.5 acceptably.
The Titan is unlocked and I have Dutty's ROM on it(not sure what version, flashed 6-12 mths ago), but Opera has never worked very well, and IE won't work at all.
Also if you could recommend a radio, I'm in the US on AT&T. I did read some of the radio post and I'm pretty sure I'll need help there.
Thank you
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you have been a memeber here long enough to know that you aren't supposed to be starting threads like this in the rom development forum. you even knew what kind of answers you would get and that should have been the first thing that told you not to make this thread. and if you don't have time to search and read then you prob need not be flashing roms because that will leave you not current on the certian bugs and all that may cause you problems down the road.
but to help out flash them all because i've not gotten a bad rom from anyone on here.

mwelch16 said:
Thanks for the suggestion. Even though my thread here doesn't show it, I've been working with these devices for quite a while, so I know the ins & outs. That's the main reason I asked the question, I know how much research I would need to put into this phone, and I just can't for a device that has about a 4 month life until I upgrade it. BTW, I am in your area with your carrier, so I would like to know what radio you're using. It gives me a place to start.
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