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has anyone out there tried multiple ROMs for WM6? I'm looking to move to something different, i've been having a lot of trouble w/ the faria one that i'm running. Just glitches here and there, looking for something more reliable.
Anybody know what is the closest to the real mccoy release of wm6 that cingular offers?
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has anyone out there tried multiple ROMs for WM6? I'm looking to move to something different, i've been having a lot of trouble w/ the faria one that i'm running. Just glitches here and there, looking for something more reliable.
Anybody know what is the closest to the real mccoy release of wm6 that cingular offers?
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Cingular doesn't offer WM6 for the Wizard. Your best bet is to just try a few out and see what you like best. Asking which one is the best is very subjective and has been asked about 100 times already with about 1000 different answers.
Good luck!
ok...let me try to rephrase, would u happen to know of any WM6 roms for the wizard that are as close to the wm6 for the 8525 as possible. Without a ton of addons or anything. I want to have something that runs as smooth as possible. Something that is as close to the "stock" 8525 if you will...
you should try wrcx1 (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=322404)
As usual...READ READ READ! And deliberate what fits your needs...
simbadogg said:
has anyone out there tried multiple ROMs for WM6? I'm looking to move to something different, i've been having a lot of trouble w/ the faria one that i'm running. Just glitches here and there, looking for something more reliable.
Anybody know what is the closest to the real mccoy release of wm6 that cingular offers?
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There's tooo many of these non-sense threads.
I can tell you what to use but it's not guaranteed to suit your needs.
You have to take time out to flash & fix to get what you want
You and the other newbies can click here for starters
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ok...let me try to rephrase, would u happen to know of any WM6 roms for the wizard that are as close to the wm6 for the 8525 as possible. Without a ton of addons or anything. I want to have something that runs as smooth as possible. Something that is as close to the "stock" 8525 if you will...
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If you think "a ton of addons or anything" makes a rom slow, you are mistaken. I think you will find most of the custom roms here faster than stock Wizard (8125) roms and they have lots more functionality. Having addons does not take away from your phone's storage space or memory. Only if you turn on the addons will it take away from your phone memory (but just like it would if you installed it yourself). Remember that the ROM has a dedicated area of around 60MB of space. If you put a 40MB rom in that space, you don't gain the 20MB, its just lost on the Wizard. So personally, I pack my roms to fill that space and give the most options built in for people to use.
But there can be a price with having a packed rom. Some have seen slower boot times and slower access to the \Windows folder when you try to use a file manager. But I've never seen it impact overall phone performance itself.
Just had to point that out, as it seems to be a common misconception that people have.
dwny said:
There's tooo many of these non-sense threads.
I can tell you what to use but it's not guaranteed to suit your needs.
You have to take time out to flash & fix to get what you want
You and the other newbies can click here for starters
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thanks for trying to be a jackass about the whole thing, you're attempt to help is dualy noted...
but to set everything straight, i have searched. Faria is by far the best working ROM that i've used thus far, and i've spent hours searching for ROMs and i'm already on my 5th one. So just because i have a newbie title on this forum doesn't that i dont know how to use forums, because i've been using them for the better part of the last decade. So please dont past judgement like that, it just shows your ignorance not mine.
One a more sunny note, ammarr thank you for that link, i haven't come across that one yet, and this will be my 7th try on a wm6 rom. Who knows maybe my phone is defective, but it runs the cingular wm5 rom just fine. hope i dont have to go back to that....
ammarr thanks for that link, i've added a few things to it like registry editor and such, but i really like the layout of this one. On top of that, its working well...phone not freezing, not dropping signal etc. Thank again.
well here's my 2 cents, if you liked whiterats rom, try bhoydegets "octavio 4" its an improvement and comes in different pagepools, try it for your self, here's the link
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=323485
hey,
how would you say its an improvement? I'd like the touch scrolling and today plugin but dont want to mess up my wcrx1 which is working great. Page pools is not an issue since you can change them over activesync. I'm already running wrcx1 with 8mb pp.
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thanks for trying to be a jackass about the whole thing, you're attempt to help is dualy noted...
but to set everything straight, i have searched. Faria is by far the best working ROM that i've used thus far, and i've spent hours searching for ROMs and i'm already on my 5th one. So just because i have a newbie title on this forum doesn't that i dont know how to use forums, because i've been using them for the better part of the last decade. So please dont past judgement like that, it just shows your ignorance not mine.
One a more sunny note, ammarr thank you for that link, i haven't come across that one yet, and this will be my 7th try on a wm6 rom. Who knows maybe my phone is defective, but it runs the cingular wm5 rom just fine. hope i dont have to go back to that....
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I'm glad I can be a jackass and of some assistance.
You stated you're on your 5th flash.....there's over 70 Roms out there and new ones coming every week. You've done nothing! Faria's Rom was released about 3.5 months ago or longer. There has been alot of changes since then....but if you did some real research....you'd know this.
If you feel Faria's Rom is the best....stick with it, modify it & make it your own.
P.S: This is a developer's forum...not a user's forum.
It's not my job to police this forum; people are happy to assist with specific questions or issues as they arise.
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thanks for trying to be a jackass about the whole thing, you're attempt to help is dualy noted...
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1. I agree with dwny. This is a developers forum. This is not a forum for developers to help nubes flash new ROMS. I'm pretty tired of the "If I flash this ROM, will I lose my programs?" questions. I must see that at least a few times in every new ROM announcement thread. Most of the dumb questions come from people who don't contribute anything but "Works great. But can you add [insert freeware software request here] in the next one?"
2. If you're going to be a wise-ass, please spell all of your words correctly and use the correct context. It may not help you be more correct, but it will at least save you the humiliation of not knowing and understanding your native language. The correct phrase is "Duly Noted." And as a sidenote, dualy isn't even an actual word.
-Mc
Hello, I have read many threads here over past month re various ROMS people here have developed to upgrade various mobile devices. I have the MDA from T-Mobile (HTC wizard). As all of you know, t-mobile would not support this device for windows6. But I read the various pinned threads re: step by step instructions for how a user would prep his phone then flash rom. Despite the clarity of the steps, I am not at all confident I can handle this stuff.
Newbies make many mistakes at specialized forums like this one, and one of them may be what I am asking: But, is there a place on this forum where one can engage an XDA pro to do the flash rom upgrade and install a few upgrade apps like slide2unlock?
If so, please point me to the correct place. If this is not officially supported here, then if someone can do this, could you PM me?
I would like to ask publically, in the event this kind of service is allowed here, what is a fair & reasonable price for doing this?
Also, I understand the risks -- and though it has become very unlikely, i understand it is possible that a flash rom procedure could brick my phone. Thus, I am just guessing that anyone who would undertake the task of doing this for me would have me first sign a release form which states that I understand the risks and that I accept that should there be a glitch which ends up bricking my phone, I am 100% liable for that risk, and that the person performing the upgrade work would be in no way liable for any malfunctions that would arise.
I am at the point where I would accept losing the value of my phone -- with the high probablility that the upgrade would work just fine, thus improving my productivity and capabilities in using my phone.
For example, I just installed skype for PocketPC on my phone, and it works. A year ago I had tried this and it didn't. So I know that though my processor and ram are fixed and are inherent limitations, but that with the new OS (wM 6) plus other mods, the overall performance capability of the phone is increased by large measure.
It's funny but I tried a friend's iphone the other day and he, without prompting, asked me to type an email. I did, using the multi-touch keyboard. Still, with its recognition capabiities, I made errors every 3rd or 4th letter entered. Conversely, when I use the stylus on my MDA, I have much better success. Sure, training would improve -- maybe -- but I for one don;t accept the basic premise that the stylus is inferior, and that finger touch is the only way to go. When it comes to scrolling, absolutely the finger brushing seems 100 times better than any stylus. But I guess my point is, I think there is still quite a bit of good life remianing in my MDA.
And I absolutely use the handwriting note taker everyday... and would want to retain the abilityt to use the "transcriber" app on windows, because i find it pretty reliable to me, with the only downside being the non-smart Windows OS that fails to auto-toggle to KEYBOARD whenever i have to enter a user name or password, thus requiring manual switch to keyboard, then back again to transcriber.
Sorry for the length. I'm been delaying for months getting this addressed, and so I wnated to just ask: can someone do this for me? If so, how much will it cost? And what would be the shipping & payment arrangements.
Thank you much,
Richard in SF
hey man everything you need is for free, don't pay a cent unless your donating to someones work or if wrose comes to wrose you have to ship the process is very simple, I would link but I can't even use my computer my motherboard ****ted out so the links have been in my sig you'll read the unlocking for dumbys fallow that to the T then you can use mine or any other wm6 rom on the forum then search the slide to unlock here and I'm sure you'll find some threads with it..
if you still don't want to unlock your phone I would do it for if you cover shipping once my computer is fixed if it every is..it was my first custom build computer didn't expect it to last this long LOL
its free, just follow the threads, unlocking and flashing a new rom, just follow it to the letter you will not be misled, i did it on my own as well as the others before me, i dont have much knowledge in the computer or pocket pc either, slide to unlock you just have to download the latest version, copy it to your pocket pc and install from there, then go to start/programs/slidetounlock click it and its done
if you commit a mistake just post your problem a lot of people will help you, its better to do it on your own rather than having others do it, because there are a lot of new stuffs for the wizard
1st see check the forum to see if you have a G3 or G4
This is VERY important
I don't have a G4 so i don't know there steps but with a G3
Look for the button rom. Flash to that 1st. It will unlock your phone.
Flash back to your carrier's rom (tmobile in your case)
Flash to new Wm6 rom. So far Octavio's 5.7 is the best for me. There are a lot of choices. If you decide to flash to another WM6 rom after that, 1st flash back to your carriers. It helps to have a stable base and i find i don't get bad flashes that way.
The new slide 2 unlock is a cab file. just copy it to your phone and double click it to install. There is a setting program you will find under programs on your phone.
Radio 2.19 gets rid of almost all missed call issues should you experience them.
and SPL 3.08 will speed up your boot process (mine boots with Octavios in 7 seconds)
Hope this helps you. If you have a G4 though don't follow the above.
If someone could post here how to tell the difference as i forget how nowadays, we can start him out right without bricking his phone.
its best to look up this topic about rom flashing..
it is a nice tutorial and will help you a great deal with flashing
the device as it should be done..
There is no reason to pay anyone for this. There is a very detailed wiki that will detail everything you need to know about how to go about upgrading your Wizard. It is surprisingly easy once you get going. You just have to be patient and have a tough gut. The link to the wiki I'm talking about is in my signature titled How to upgrade to Windows Mobile 6 For Newbies!!
Just read that whole wiki and make sure you understand everything and once you feel confident that you understand what you've read, begin the preparation stage and download EVERYTHING you will need to finalize the process in advance before ever starting. This will make the upgrading process go more smoothly.
Good luck.
P.S. I am available for chat on AIM or Windows Live Messenger if you would like me to walk you through it. I will NOT, however, accept any payment or do it for you. Everyone needs to learn on their own because hypothetically, what happens if you tell me what ROM you want and then I do it all for you and then you decide you don't like the ROM or it is too buggy, then you have to either send to someone else again and pay for it to be changed, or learn how to do it yourself. My addresses are at the top of every one of my posts.
Okay, everyone who replied, thank you. I will get focused and do it
It reminds of when I was a kid and climbed up the high dive for the very first time, and looked down at the pool. Low dive had not been a prob... but high dive seemed a certain disaster!
But I am here to tell the story, so, okay I guess I can manage.
I will go back to the threads and wiki and print out instructions first, then determine what kind of phone I have, then go download everything I will need, as suggested, and proceed.
but here's my User 101 question: Part of what makes me nervous is the nomenclature itself" What does it mean to "flash a ROM"? I don't even get that. I know that ROMS are read-only-memory, and are the thing that one updates when new firmware is released for a device. But as silly as it sounds, I don't know what flash ROM means. Similarly, I am looking for a replacement video card for my Mac, and forums recommend that the fastest cards for the Mac are ones that are PC cards that are flashed.
I am sure once I hear what it means, technically, I will "get it", by right now it seems like sending a jolt of electricity to some printed circuit and that's what makes me nervous.
Thank you all very much.
status: I determined i have a G4 device: ipl: 2.26.0001
Sir...24 hours ago I barely knew how to take pics off my phone and put them on my computer. After reading most all the stuff posted here for about a good hour, I attempted it and got everything to work (just like they said) in about 70 minutes. I took my time, read everything twice (sometimes three times) and went for it. Don't be scared to break a few eggs to make the omelet.
It's kinda like that scene from The Matrix where there is a blue pill and red.
One road takes you right back to where you were before and you never knew the difference and the other "frees your mind."
You won't regret it.
-Ivan
quicksite said:
status: I determined i have a G4 device: ipl: 2.26.0001
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Ahh ignore my instructions then... and when you flash a WM6 rom make sure it is G4 safe... ask the maker of the rom. Most will tell you.
Let me see if I understand the HardSPL vs Soft SPL choice:
Thanks Ivan... I just read the instuctions several times. I can just say right off that distilling this down to a single wiki entry has removed a great deal of the anxiety -- and hats off to those who constructed this - as well as those whose prior work formed the basis for the underlying info. Many months before, when Windows6 had just come out, and carriers like T-Mobile opted to not support it on their Wizard device (MDA), the inital reverse engineering that took place here to first successfully create a windows6 rom was fascinating... but the steps back then to try it yourself were filled with warnings about bricking phones... Then later, when then iphone first came out, it seemed to me that the windows6 upgrade for a Wizard/MDA was then scripted and reliable -- but everyone's expectations were rasied with the introductuin oif some very cool functionality of the iphone, including the sldie2unlock function, as well as the scroll with a finger brush movement.
At that time, there were people on YouTube who within 2 days had emulated the slide2unlock functions onma Windows Mobile device, and for me the question then was "how much of that iphone functionalituy can be replicated for these windows based devices?". This is part of why I held up digging in. Then lo and behold the HTC Touch appeared, and I read people here requesting owners to publish the ROM - and amazingly now that has been all cracked and merged into (apparently) some of these Windows6 ROMS.
I am in awe of the enterprising abilities of the pros here. And now am ready to follow the process. Seems to me I am going to get a far greater phone as a result than many which T-Mobile is selling as their new state of the art.
The one thing I would like to parrot back to see if I digested fully:
As for whether to use HardSPL or SoftSPL, this is what I understood:
(1) USING HARD SPL:
Pros: Once installed, you can then try ROM/upgrade after ROM/upgrade without intermediate steps of needing a separate loader. Useful if you want to try various ROMS til you find the one that best meets your needs. This is possible because HardSPL tricks your device into thinking it hads CID permanently unlocked,
Cons: If you have to return the phone to carrier for warranty work or replacement, in order to not void your warranty you must first return the ROM to be the carrier's official version, and you must then uninstall HardSPL, so there are no traces of "tampering".
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(2) USING SOFT SPL:
Pros: If you have to retunr the phone to carrier, your warranty is preserved by simply restoring the Carrier's official ROM first.. and since HardSPL to not overwrite any CID information, there is nothing to uninstall.
Cons: If you want to try various ROM versions XDA developers have created and shared here, there are extra steps required each time you want to try a new ROM... whereas if you'd installed HardSPL, there would be no intermediate steps.
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Do I have this correct? If so, what am I missing -- because it seems like a simple choice and that HARD SPL provides much greater ease and flexibility. And as for restoring the phone to Carrier's warranty compliance, as I understand, you STILL have to prep the phone before returning it to carrier. In case of using Soft SPL, you simply have to restore the official ROM, then done. Whereas, if used HARD SPL, you have to do that as well, AND uninstall HARD SPL. have I got this right?
if so, from what I read, the one additional step required is to run Start-sSPL.exe, whiuch sounds to me like it is automated - such that as long as you follow directions, HARD SPL uninstalls.
I *do* see the language "Removing HardSPL - USE AT YOUR OWN RISK!" -- and I saw also "If your SPL is still 2.21.olip then you did something wrong and are prob staring at a pretty expensive paperweight."
But what I did NOT see is: "Running Start-s-SPL.exe is buggy and not reliable, so to play it safe, we recommend using SoftSPL."
So I just would like to get a reply to this before I proceed. (thanks!)
And thank you ROCOAFZ for giving me the shortand steps if I had had a G3 model. All the help here is phenomenal.
Hello all,
Having recently upgraded my Hermes to a Kaiser (well actually a AT & T Tilt) and re-flashing it with Schaps 4.30 Rom i have since noticed a sharp decline in performance (compared with my Hermes).
This lead me to look around for something 'better' coming across Duttys cooked ROM and has prompted me to initiate this thread.
Has anyone done a 'review' of the major cooked ROM's out there or even better, put them head to head?
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Hello all,
Having recently upgraded my Hermes to a Kaiser (well actually a AT & T Tilt) and re-flashing it with Schaps 4.30 Rom i have since noticed a sharp decline in performance (compared with my Hermes).
This lead me to look around for something 'better' coming across Duttys cooked ROM and has prompted me to initiate this thread.
Has anyone done a 'review' of the major cooked ROM's out there or even better, put them head to head?
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NOPE. Feel free to be the first.
new_ppc_user said:
Hello all,
Having recently upgraded my Hermes to a Kaiser (well actually a AT & T Tilt) and re-flashing it with Schaps 4.30 Rom i have since noticed a sharp decline in performance (compared with my Hermes).
This lead me to look around for something 'better' coming across Duttys cooked ROM and has prompted me to initiate this thread.
Has anyone done a 'review' of the major cooked ROM's out there or even better, put them head to head?
P1Tater said:
NOPE. Feel free to be the first.
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Be aware that it will be your full-time job as new ROMs come out almost every 2-3 days.
well lets put it this way. im sure many of you have tried several different roms on your devices.
can anyone shed some light our input into the major rom players?
answer this question and you will get it
Do you like apple or orange ?
They are both fruit but you cannot head to head compare them.
Beside that newer rom is likely but not necessarily to be better. Try around with different Rom and radio to get your favorite one. Well, It takes about 15 mins to flash so you can pretty much try all the Rom in here in few days. In the end, if you are not happy , do some extensive research so you can brew your own.
Dutty Rom is popular and pretty suitable to start up.
aberz said:
answer this question and you will get it
Do you like apple or orange ?
They are both fruit but you cannot head to head compare them.
Beside that newer rom is likely but not necessarily to be better. Try around with different Rom and radio to get your favorite one. Well, It takes about 15 mins to flash so you can pretty much try all the Rom in here in few days. In the end, if you are not happy , do some extensive research so you can brew your own.
Dutty Rom is popular and pretty suitable to start up.
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i like both !! so that still doesnt answer my question.
unfortunately, i currently have a pretty hectic schedule so i cant really afford to flash and re-flash my unit all the time. in addition it would take quite a while as i have quite a few additional programs on there.
i am under the impression that Dutty and Schap and the two major players here?
things i need to consider:
- speed of operating system
- ease of use
- stability
- usefull applications
new_ppc_user said:
i like both !! so that still doesnt answer my question.
unfortunately, i currently have a pretty hectic schedule so i cant really afford to flash and re-flash my unit all the time. in addition it would take quite a while as i have quite a few additional programs on there.
i am under the impression that Dutty and Schap and the two major players here?
things i need to consider:
- speed of operating system
- ease of use
- stability
- usefull applications
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Sleuth would also be considered a major player here...
In regards to what you want in a ROM, all signs are pointing to Dutty's except for the useful applications. Just add em yourself though...
His is the fastest ROM I have ever used for any device, including the Hermes...
However, opinions are like assholes....
new_ppc_user said:
i like both !! so that still doesnt answer my question.
unfortunately, i currently have a pretty hectic schedule so i cant really afford to flash and re-flash my unit all the time. in addition it would take quite a while as i have quite a few additional programs on there.
i am under the impression that Dutty and Schap and the two major players here?
things i need to consider:
- speed of operating system
- ease of use
- stability
- usefull applications
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So let me get this straight. You want someone else to do all the work and let you reap the benefits? I see now.
My God man. They cooked the rom. What more do you want? You want me to flash your phone for you? WOW.
P1Tater said:
So let me get this straight. You want someone else to do all the work and let you reap the benefits? I see now.
My God man. They cooked the rom. What more do you want? You want me to flash your phone for you? WOW.
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He's got a pretty hectic schedule unlike us.
oh please give me a break !!!!
the point of this thread is two fold. yes, i want to do as little as possible
however, i would like to ENCOURAGE the discussion of the different ROMs that are available so that WE as users can talk about what we like in the different roms we encouter with their good points and bad points.
and please, dont tell me you dont scour the internet looking for reviews ?
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He's got a pretty hectic schedule unlike us.
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cuz all we do is spoonfeed
new_ppc_user said:
oh please give me a break !!!!
the point of this thread is two fold. yes, i want to do as little as possible
however, i would like to ENCOURAGE the discussion of the different ROMs that are available so that WE as users can talk about what we like in the different roms we encouter with their good points and bad points.
and please, dont tell me you dont scour the internet looking for reviews ?
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No, I dont look for reviews of roms. I flash them and if I dont like them I flash a different one. I have literally tried every single rom (that is in English unlike ATW who even tries foriegn languages) to try and find the one that works best for me. I suggest you do the same and quit asking for someone to do the work for you. The reason I say this is that I can't tell you how many times this same question has been asked. You are definitely not the first nor will you be the last. It seems as though it comes up at least once a week. So, read the first post of the rom, if you dont like what you read or see then move on to the next. Either that or do as most of us do and flash it.
new_ppc_user said:
oh please give me a break !!!!
the point of this thread is two fold. yes, i want to do as little as possible
however, i would like to ENCOURAGE the discussion of the different ROMs that are available so that WE as users can talk about what we like in the different roms we encouter with their good points and bad points.
and please, dont tell me you dont scour the internet looking for reviews ?
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We don't need to scour the internet looking for reviews. We just read the threads in the forum and test ourselves. All the information you will ever need is found in these forums.
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No, I dont look for reviews of roms. I flash them and if I dont like them I flash a different one. I have literally tried every single rom (that is in English unlike ATW who even tries foriegn languages) to try and find the one that works best for me. I suggest you do the same and quit asking for someone to do the work for you. The reason I say this is that I can't tell you how many times this same question has been asked. You are definitely not the first nor will you be the last. It seems as though it comes up at least once a week. So, read the first post of the rom, if you dont like what you read or see then move on to the next. Either that or do as most of us do and flash it.
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Yup... with this guy... it's very easy to use PIM backup and your storage card to backup your vitals before flashing. Sure it's tedious, but that's how this all works. People will review different ROMS on different criteria and it's up to you to find what makes you happy.
new_ppc_user said:
oh please give me a break !!!!
the point of this thread is two fold. yes, i want to do as little as possible
however, i would like to ENCOURAGE the discussion of the different ROMs that are available so that WE as users can talk about what we like in the different roms we encouter with their good points and bad points.
and please, dont tell me you dont scour the internet looking for reviews ?
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Smart man , you want to pay the least to get the most .
1st fold
You want to do as little as possible, so we have to do more to cover your work ? > Fail
2nd fold
There is no "we" and "as users" , should be " I " " as a lazy leecher"
And there is also no point in promoting ROMs discussion. We can talk all day without coming up with any thing good but potential conflict.
> fail, again
I dont know about your schedule but my is also packed too ( ask a pre-med, senior Bio student) . And most of peeps here also get a thing call "life" . If I can do it , you can too. Flashing a Rom is not rocket science that would take a life time to do.
How about this, consider flashing your piece of device a relaxing activity for your break . I would be less pain and more joy. If you dont find flashing , trying and using Rom fun , why bother asking here.
p/s for the amount of time finish 2 posts , you could have already flashed a cool Rom lol.
I hate to jump on the bandwagon, but I'm afraid the only way to work out the best ROM for you is to test them all. If a ROM is unstable, you'll be able to tell pretty quickly from scanning the thread and what is one man's "useful applications" is another man's "bloatware".
The best analogy I've seen is with cars - to some people the perfect car is a sports car, to others it's a people-carrier, everyone's needs and uses are different. Also, as most of the ROMs are built on the same two or three OS builds, you're comparing the cars with virtually identical engines, so differences will be minor*.
My suggestion is make a list of what you use on your phone, then decide if you want a fast ROM (in which case flash a lite ROM and add the bits you want via cabs) or an easy ROM (in which case flash a ROM that's got the most of the things on your list).
You will never get everyone to agree on the "best" ROM simply because there isn't one that is head and shoulders above the others*, just optimised by and for different chefs.
*No offence intended to the great chefs on this forum! I know how much work you must put into your ROMs and I'm not trying to belittle that, just get the point across.
Also, it doesn't hurt to take the little bit of time that is required to make an SDConfig.txt file for the User Customization that most of the ROMs utilize now. That in and of itself is a huge timesaver. Take advantage of that, and someone else also posted PIM Backup, which can also help aid in moving from one ROM to another.
Use one ROM for a week, see how you like it then move on if you want to. That's more or less what I've done. And I've found what I've liked.
JUst another case of someone wanting to be fed.
Was it Karhu who would do benchmarks of all the ROM's in the Hermes forum? Talk about intensive... but again, strictly numbers, meant as an informative comparison of different things.
I think I got your thoughts...
I wanna a ROM table for comparisons... I can say its very difficult to make
1) ROMs change every day... its a rough job to keep it update
2) ROMs are like taste. You like a XYZ ROM because its faster but a friend may like a BCD ROM because it runs that app faster.
3) There ia a lot of apps within those ROMs that make they different. Comparing works if all ROMs carried the same stuff.
4) There are no tops ROM... there are populars ROM
I'm looking to flash my kaiser too but I allways got confused too with different cooked ROMs.
I suggest you to read all of your interest, ask them for any detailed spec. Install the HardSPL for Godsake and try it.
I noticed that this thread (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=437576) was closed recently and to be honest I didn't think it was entirely fair.
Yes, it's true that we should all read the guidance, and yes, it's also true that individual preferences will determine which might be the 'best' ROM.
However, there are 2 reasons why I think that closing the thread was unfair.
First of all, there is too much information, and a lot of it is simply too technical. I want to update my 6.0 ROM because I am using one of sleuth's old ROMs from January. I'm not sure whether to go for a 6.0 or 6.1 ROM. I haven't seen any post which summarises what the strengths and weaknesses are. My understanding is that the benefits of improved usability and battery life are offset by greater instability and slower response, one of the big drawbacks of WM6. So for me, I want usbility, stability, speed, speed and more speed. I don't want to wait a while after pressing a button and I don't want to have to use the stylus. What is the point of having all this cool hardware if it's painfully slow and awkward to use?
For me this is more important than free RAM, video dialling and YouTube. I have no idea which are the fastest ROMs, or whether a WM6.1 ROM can be as fast as a WM6.0 ROM. Also, how bad is the instability? Does this mean crashes every day, couple of days, every week?
There is a lot of mention of Hyperdragon and Manila but I have no idea what this is. Actually I think that Manila is some form of accelerated 2d driver. But what is 'a 2d driver' and how does it differ from 'a 3d driver'?
You can get lots of detailed technical information, but the more basic issues don't seem to be documented. There are so many ROMs, how is a newbie supposed to choose? Flashing the phone and reinstalling/reconfiguring everything is not an instant process and it can take quite a while to get your phone configured just right. Even if you read all the detail, I suspect that newbies will still be somewhat in the dark. Most of us don't have time to try out 3 or 4 ROMs before we settle on the right one.
Finally, the original poster specified (some of) his particular preferences or selection criteria if you like. It should have been possible for people to make recommendations based on this. If some think the question is a bit lame, they will say so. More enlightened users might post links to some information that is genuinely useful, instead of posting something like. "Search the forum, the information is there". Yup, sure, but the phone will probably be obsolete before you find it. Leaving the thread open will allow the debate.
I understand how you might not want lots of posts about the same thing, but if that is the case, then it indicates that the information is not as accessible as it could be. I think it would be useful if for each ROM posted, the chefs could summarise the main points and benefits. For example is the OS 6.0 or 6.1, how fast it is compared the standard. Is there a benchmarking tool? What are the unique benefits? What are the known issues? Some ROMs posted have really excellent documentation, some not, but it doesn't give me any basis for comparison in relation to the things that are important to me - and others I suspect.
This kind of debate is interesting and relevant to me and I suspect some other too.
So if anyone would care to comment on their views on ROM choices, particularly in relation to speed and stability, I would be really grateful.
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This kind of debate is interesting and relevant to me and I suspect some other too.
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That would be me.
So if anyone would care to comment on their views on ROM choices, particularly in relation to speed and stability, I would be really grateful.
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... And Battery life please
im not trying to come down on you but i think your missing the whole point of this site. lets go with battery life for a second. if you had read (and this isnt that technical) the battery does have some to do with the rom but more to do with the radio and what you use the phone for. speed is also dependent on what programs your running. the problem is like has been stated before this site is about not being a spoon fed prossess and trying each rom yourself. if you want to compare them the do just that..let us know what you think bu post in the correct rom. not realy all that difficult
Checkout Windows Mobile 6.0 vs Windows Mobile 6.1 thread
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So if anyone would care to comment on their views on ROM choices, particularly in relation to speed and stability, I would be really grateful.
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I've already commented on my ROM choice over at the Windows Mobile 6.0 vs Windows Mobile 6.1 thread here (only one day old since the last post). I see you posted in it too.
To summarise, for me the HTC official WM 6.0 ROM is miles ahead of their latest WWE WM 6.1 version in terms of general reliability, speed of GPS functioning and reception strength and even simplicity (including WMP program related files not being dumped into my microSD cards music folder). As for customised ROMs, there are posts about that in the same thread.
The site is meant to be how it is. If you never read and do the research yourself you will never figure out how to do this on your own. Yeah, it may be hard to start, I think my first flash took several hours, reading and re-reading the directions, but now I can flash + get all my apps and settings right in less than a half hour. And about how fast the ROMs are, there is really no way to judge that, because they are all updated very frequently and most people re-flash, new bugs show up, things slow down, things speed up, it would just be too hard to keep track of it all in one spot, and it is alot easier to just read. You really need to use a ROM for a few days to get a feel for it, and you can use something like PIM backup so you won't actually lose anything between flashes. Battery life can't be judged good either, because it seems that radios perform differently in different areas, so everyone is always searching for that perfect radio, which is ever-elusive, some get a GPS fix in 10 seconds, but eat 30% of the battery doing it. Some take 3 minutes but you can talk for 324 hours before the battery dies (exaggerations) There are just too many options and too many combinations of radio/ROM/SPL/location that it would be some form of retarded to track it all, and on top of that, all of these people here do this on there own time and dime. Sure there are donations, but no one can pay the rent with the donations received here, why ask them to take more of their time to test and keep detailed statistics (BTW, just because they cooked a ROM dosent mean they magically know if you will like it or not). Last thing, do you buy pants based on online reviews? No? Thats because your ass is different from mine, my ROM might not tickle your fancy, just like when you try on some pants that don't work or fit, what do you do with a ROM? Try a different one. Not meaning to bust your balls, but this is not a simple process, and you've got to do some reading. Yeah, it sucks, but so does not being able to take a pill and instantly know calculus.
Actually, this sort of response is exactly what I was hoping to get.
Sure, different people have different preferences, and posting opinions and justifying their choices is something us novices can learn from. It gives us a starting point to research the ROMs which look most promising.
Regarding the battery life and radio thing - I know, but the thread on V6.0 vs v6.1 specifically mentioned different battery life. I'm sure most of you guys are using suitable radios, I mean you aren't going to choose one for crappy performance are you? So this indicates that the OS version (or the radios available for them) have different performance.
I've already done a lot of reading, but the sad fact is, I still don't have the answers to some basic questions. I do believe (from what I have read here) that a WM6.0 ROM will be faster and more stable than a V6.1 ROM, but I don't know to what extent. Is the difference noticeable? Do the latest Hyperdragon and Manila ROMs make the kaiser the zippy usable phone we wanted when we chose it?
So, even if people just post what ROMs they currently use, why they chose them, how they compare with others they may have used, and give us the benefit of their views and expertise, I think some of us could learn a huge amount.
So, I'm really not trying to be a whiny pain in the butt, just learn a lot more to help me with research.
I actually have an idea, if the MODs would let it fly and possibly sticky it: A comprehensive, detailed ROM review thread. I could make a post for each ROM a user submits a review to me for, and then take the ones that actually have decent content and recommendations and aren't like "Yeah I really enjoy this rom, great rom" and edit the posts accordingly, or have one giant post, or perhaps a wiki page if one doesn't already exist for that purpose.
I'm not much on programming or that great with technical skills to cook, but an up to date review thread could definitely be my way of being able to give back to the community.
i guess you didnt search first
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=409867&highlight=rom+comparison
yeah, figured someone probably got the idea before now. I've never seen that tick through the threads though, guess that's why. When he starts updating again the mods oughta sticky it. My bad on an unoriginal idea.
For starters, if you have an issue with a MOD closing a thread, please PM them. Do not call them out in public.
Second: The previously mentioned thread was closed because there are rules against "best ROM threads" because as Jimmy said, ROMs are very subjective, and there is no definitive answer to suit everyone.
Third: This thread is now being closed as well. As it has already been said, you need to do your research on the different ROMs available. It only takes a few minutes to read up on any given ROM because the chef usually updates one of the first few posts with reported issues and their fixes.
If you require any further clarification, please refer to the announcement at the top of the Kaiser forums.
First let me ask all of you to put down your guns: I know the response these posts usually generate. I'm just looking for a couple quick recommendations because I just don't have the time to search through all the posts right now. I'm trying to get a quick stable ROM on my wifes' Titan, and I haven't looked into Titan ROMs in so long I'm lost right now (spending my free time on the HD forums).
I'm looking for a lite version with a stable browser on it. I'd like TouchFlo (I know, NOT lite!), but I won't sacrifice stability for it. Also, either 6.1 or 6.5 if the Titan is running 6.5 acceptably.
The Titan is unlocked and I have Dutty's ROM on it(not sure what version, flashed 6-12 mths ago), but Opera has never worked very well, and IE won't work at all.
Also if you could recommend a radio, I'm in the US on AT&T. I did read some of the radio post and I'm pretty sure I'll need help there.
Thank you
I'm sure like the rest of us you can read threads flash ROMs and Radio's and find what suits you.............
"The response you will get will be the same as asking BEST-ROM"
Hint most popular ROMs are in the first pages
Thank you.
Yes I can read it, but I know how much time it takes to really understand what these ROMS do, and how they work with a radio. There's no way I could duplicate your knowlege of this device in a day or two, which is why I put the request out there. Heck, after reading the radio thread, I'm suspecting that is what may be wrong with the device now, but I just don't have the time to take her phone from her and try to re-create the wheel. I've done all that with my HD, and I think the Titan is more difficult because of the age of the hardware and increased variables.
You know, where would we be without the opportunity to learn from those who have gone before? Wait, don't answer that......
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Yes I can read it, but I know how much time it takes to really understand what these ROMS do, and how they work with a radio. There's no way I could duplicate your knowlege of this device in a day or two, which is why I put the request out there. Heck, after reading the radio thread, I'm suspecting that is what may be wrong with the device now, but I just don't have the time to take her phone from her and try to re-create the wheel. I've done all that with my HD, and I think the Titan is more difficult because of the age of the hardware and increased variables.
You know, where would we be without the opportunity to learn from those who have gone before? Wait, don't answer that......
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eH..................................this is the Kaiser forum, I am sure there are a lot of people over at the TiTan forums that will be happy to chastize you for being lazy and inapproriate in starting a new thread with a question like this.
I am busy and don't have the time, is not an adequate response for disobeying forum posting rules
KAISER! My device is a Kaiser and I'm typing Titan! My apologies. Go ahead, shoot.
I'm not going to flame, but (even if you get answers) it's just opinions. I always tell people - it's like coming on here and asking which is the best flavor of ice cream. No right answer and no wrong answer.
You're going to have to choose between Windows 6.1 and 6.5. 6.5 is pre-release, so more in the developmental stages (although there are great ROMs out there). I'd go with a 6.1 unless your wife is a tinkerer.
FWIW - I use PDACorner Ultimate V3, but only because I haven't found the time to upgrade to V4, which only came out yesterday. He has a Lite version, but his ROMs run so well - I personally don't mess with the Lite (even though I use Mobile Shell 3) versions. They run as fast as just about anything out there and they are well constructed. I've used literally hundreds of ROMs and I've stuck with his for the past 10 versions or so (used HyperDragon before that). As for radio...you have to figure out what works best in your area with your carrier.
Again - my opinion. You could easily get two dozen different ones and none would be "wrong". Just make sure you know what you're doing before you flash any ROM. Read the wiki and all the instructions.
Thanks for the suggestion. Even though my thread here doesn't show it, I've been working with these devices for quite a while, so I know the ins & outs. That's the main reason I asked the question, I know how much research I would need to put into this phone, and I just can't for a device that has about a 4 month life until I upgrade it. BTW, I am in your area with your carrier, so I would like to know what radio you're using. It gives me a place to start.
My suggestion
I'm going to make it easy for you, buddy. Just look at my signature.
Those are my recommended ROM & Radios.
HardSPL 3.29, 3.31, 3.34 are also recommended.
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First let me ask all of you to put down your guns: I know the response these posts usually generate. I'm just looking for a couple quick recommendations because I just don't have the time to search through all the posts right now. I'm trying to get a quick stable ROM on my wifes' Titan, and I haven't looked into Titan ROMs in so long I'm lost right now (spending my free time on the HD forums).
I'm looking for a lite version with a stable browser on it. I'd like TouchFlo (I know, NOT lite!), but I won't sacrifice stability for it. Also, either 6.1 or 6.5 if the Titan is running 6.5 acceptably.
The Titan is unlocked and I have Dutty's ROM on it(not sure what version, flashed 6-12 mths ago), but Opera has never worked very well, and IE won't work at all.
Also if you could recommend a radio, I'm in the US on AT&T. I did read some of the radio post and I'm pretty sure I'll need help there.
Thank you
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you have been a memeber here long enough to know that you aren't supposed to be starting threads like this in the rom development forum. you even knew what kind of answers you would get and that should have been the first thing that told you not to make this thread. and if you don't have time to search and read then you prob need not be flashing roms because that will leave you not current on the certian bugs and all that may cause you problems down the road.
but to help out flash them all because i've not gotten a bad rom from anyone on here.
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Thanks for the suggestion. Even though my thread here doesn't show it, I've been working with these devices for quite a while, so I know the ins & outs. That's the main reason I asked the question, I know how much research I would need to put into this phone, and I just can't for a device that has about a 4 month life until I upgrade it. BTW, I am in your area with your carrier, so I would like to know what radio you're using. It gives me a place to start.
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