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PDAMobiz_Wizard_WM6_G3_V.5_by_Hong.rar

Greetings,
this is a new rom from pda mobiz, anybody tried it. ITS V5.
clickhere to get it.
Thanks

samy.3660 said:
Greetings,
this is a new rom from pda mobiz, anybody tried it. ITS V5.
clickhere to get it.
Thanks
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lot of us have flashed our devices at least 10 times in the last month. can you provide us more details about this rom, I'm getting tired of wm6 roms.

Thats the same problem with me!!

i think thats problem with everyone we need to settle down but how long ???? i hoop that someone has two device and will test it and provide us with more information

It's been a while i'm using mun-rus WM6 which it's rom build version is 17xxxx and it's fine,all of other ROMs are 15xxxx build and don't have much different in performance and types of bugs.

Can someone post the MS build number from the ROM?

vbguru613 said:
Can someone post the MS build number from the ROM?
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It's the same as V1 to now, it's just improved with some reg fixes, other splash-screen and some progs.
It's not bad, loaded with stuff, ringtones, todaythemes etc.
It's a ROM for the lazy people, like me, although I'm using now the mUn's fixed version which is good..

Vilem said:
It's the same as V1 to now, it's just improved with some reg fixes, other splash-screen and some progs.
It's not bad, loaded with stuff, ringtones, todaythemes etc.
It's a ROM for the lazy people, like me, although I'm using now the mUn's fixed version which is good..
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Im still working on the ultimate fixed version of mUn's rom. Getting a little frustrating. LOL

Yeah that's funny, "tired of WM6 ROMs"
I flashed V.5 like 2 days ago and there's very little info on changes, i haven't seen any..beside Ferrari thing
what i noticed stuff like MMS composer, Voice dial (or voice commander) biuld's are different(older) comparing to mUn's
And there REALLY Should be some sort of guide/comparison for people who honour and appreciate work of all cookers out there, but ..just want to use SOLID Rom. knowing the differences, and having them presented clearly in a spreadsheet comparison would be most helpful.
Because there are guys wanting ALL The latest, and MOST STABLE.
At present WM6 have some serious flaws but only to people who happen to use WiFi, and MMS's(which is about 80% od wizard owners ; ) ) alot. So choosing right rom "distribution" now is next to IMPOSSIBLE, less choosing "stable" one.
Maybe "wiki" ought to serve this purpose, thus far we are stuck with "well known" cooker names producing unstable roms.
As much as i would like to thank all cookers, and community of Wizard experts, i am stuck with finding out more and more suprises after flashing each new rom distro.
Now Farias' suprised me by not being able to use contacts from sim card ..
Beside comparison of components numbers(like rom built date, prog. ver.) there should be shor explanation as of why cooker have chosen to include older, or newer version of specific soft., and next column : possible problems encountered by users..
I know that if i talk so much i should do it myself : ),
but short on time, and knowledge of figuring as to what format, type of database would be needed for "central Repository", or "future/bug" tracking wiki..
I think that it could help out rom cooks(ers: )) or us. When compiling they could make choice based on this centrall rep. of futures/problems of certain prog. versions: like battery plugin.. beta 2, or beta 3, what difference,
now it takes several hours to find out diffs., possible problems, and make concious choice: with least risk as to what WE want (in terms of functionality) and whether stability is at premium to us.

I don't agree
If you cannot do simple registry changes to show sim-contacts or cannot configure MMS you don't want to update your ROM.
Because if you cannot find the solution in this forum you probably cannot find the solution when you brick your phone.
I think this forum is for people with a bit more interest than the average phone-owner.
And in the end there is always somebody prepared to help.

I don't agree either.
It's not the forum's responsibility to rate and/or categorize each rom as it comes out. The threads for each rom or additional threads where users place their experiences with these roms.
Some chefs create basic stable roms, some stable with loads of ram, some super-fast with very little ram & etc. You choose the rom that works for you. Is there a best rom...NO; what counts is what you want and works for you.
If you just want what manufacturers give you, then you're in the wrong place.
Flashing these roms are not a right....it's a priveledge!!!

Ok guys,
Thanks, you've got some good points, i hope you can see where i am comming from..
1. it is fact that it IS A Privilege, and to that I AM gratefull that i have right to be using it.
2. i think there is no point in wasting of time researching over and over The SAME THINGS.., that i've seen for last year.
You(forum) can either give to users something more clear, or make them seek info over and over again, causing for stupid questions to arise, when someone may not have time to read through 64 pages of...\
and that's just one thread...
3.would it hurt to spend less than 5 hours doing research, and not finding what you originally intended, of ... oh well, "time is money, so don't waste it honey"
4. ok, so it is "simple" registry edit to fix sim card not being read by wm6 contacts app. It's just that it is basic funcionality, and when it comes to "names" it shouldn't happen, I believe that most of us would be glad to beta test them for our gurus' and reprizent' Xda-DEV cookers to the world RIGHT! Yo,
5. MMS .. well, when all config is right, and i have narrowed it down to radio rom version in "synchronisation error" deal, it's hard not to be average user, or even neglecting one, when You YOURSELF are unableto fix radio rom..
less even M$oft ain't touching many problems..
is WAITING, and Wa$ting of time a solution for you? ... digging through pile of wm6 roms to find one with LEAST Errors../ after which to be left out without basic functionality expected from phone..
i think comparisons and central database would make 4 all of us one nifty time/nerve saving future..
and just so it won't look like i am NOt appreciating my privileges i am contributing to community in a meanwhile(maybe before i cook my own../ or rather uncook, ever since heat processing makes it all tasteless and leaving us with all but one option to do: use spices, and salt..
I'd like to help to to make a RAW, FRESH ROM, call it Vanille, clean. Giving some constructive feedback, helping guys like mUn, and other nottoosmart guys alike..
( ;; ) )
well, cheers to all yall!

It seems this rom isnt as popular as the others.....its the nature of the beast with roms though.

lolek5 said:
Ok guys,
Thanks, you've got some good points, i hope you can see where i am comming from..
1. it is fact that it IS A Privilege, and to that I AM gratefull that i have right to be using it.
2. i think there is no point in wasting of time researching over and over The SAME THINGS.., that i've seen for last year.
You(forum) can either give to users something more clear, or make them seek info over and over again, causing for stupid questions to arise, when someone may not have time to read through 64 pages of...\
and that's just one thread...
3.would it hurt to spend less than 5 hours doing research, and not finding what you originally intended, of ... oh well, "time is money, so don't waste it honey"
4. ok, so it is "simple" registry edit to fix sim card not being read by wm6 contacts app. It's just that it is basic funcionality, and when it comes to "names" it shouldn't happen, I believe that most of us would be glad to beta test them for our gurus' and reprizent' Xda-DEV cookers to the world RIGHT! Yo,
5. MMS .. well, when all config is right, and i have narrowed it down to radio rom version in "synchronisation error" deal, it's hard not to be average user, or even neglecting one, when You YOURSELF are unableto fix radio rom..
less even M$oft ain't touching many problems..
is WAITING, and Wa$ting of time a solution for you? ... digging through pile of wm6 roms to find one with LEAST Errors../ after which to be left out without basic functionality expected from phone..
i think comparisons and central database would make 4 all of us one nifty time/nerve saving future..
and just so it won't look like i am NOt appreciating my privileges i am contributing to community in a meanwhile(maybe before i cook my own../ or rather uncook, ever since heat processing makes it all tasteless and leaving us with all but one option to do: use spices, and salt..
I'd like to help to to make a RAW, FRESH ROM, call it Vanille, clean. Giving some constructive feedback, helping guys like mUn, and other nottoosmart guys alike..
( ;; ) )
well, cheers to all yall!
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Dude.....we're not supposed to have these roms.....!
This is why we have to go somewhere else to download them.
A comparison chart for something that we are not supposed to have....need I say more.
A comparison chart would be nice though but these roms don't work the same on every device.
Example: several roms were said to have incorrect values on the touch keyboard...I have never experienced this where others have.
Constructive feedback: IMO I beleive that's what everyone who installs a rom and discuss their experience is contributing to make the installed rom better. Some have mishaps and need help but a majority try to make the rom better. Not everyone can create cab files and discover what reg edit is best...those who can supply while those who can't, test.
If you start a comparison chart, I'll join in. PM me with what you got.
As far as making a clean rom....I'll help with that too.
Orwells WM6 is a clean version....that's where alot of these roms originate from.
You and I, we have our own opinions and are able to discuss them, thats what makes a forum.

dwny said:
As far as making a clean rom....I'll help with that too.
Orwells WM6 is a clean version....that's where alot of these roms originate from.
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Now that I've been on Faria's "the real thing" and mUn's, I don't think I could go back to any of the previous WM6 roms. MBE was decent after a lot of tweaking, but these two new ones are far above more complete and stable than anything I had previously.
I'll wait for the Faria vanilla and the nottoosmart stripped and fixed mUn ROM. I think both of these will be the standard for some time...

You know what i would say the same, as close to the top. What is so different from all the WM6 rom really!!! We are getting 20 million new ones everyday!!!
I am running faria's WM6 rom, and that is the only i have flashed, cus i dont trust any other!!! Looking at what people are saying i would say it was the best cus it does not have so many problems!!!
At it is so much fun to find solutions to problems, if we did not have that we would be so bored!!! Think of your self as beta testers for Mircosoft!!! Cus they dont do any work but the Roms are getting so much better!

I tested/flashed all ROMs uploaded on my Folder (IW25NT), so at least I know what I'm talking about.

Vilem said:
I tested/flashed all ROMs uploaded on my Folder (IW25NT), so at least I know what I'm talking about.
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So have I..........

And I'll keep on doing that, if I don't like I'll just restore the old setup.
What is annoying here lately, is that if someone posts a ROM, you'll either get all kinds of remarks how bad this ROM is (if it is not from 1 of our XDA Xprts), or remarks like before posted.
That one of the reason's why I stopped posting if I updated my Folder.
I'll continue to upload, just look ones in a while.

this rom is very fast, stable, low battery consumption!

faria's WM6 ROM is based on Orwells'1984, isn't it?

Preliminary Note: to Faria and others – please don’t take this email as a criticism of your work.
I assure you It is not. I also want to thank Faria and all the chefs – I learn a lot dissecting their great work.
Since the leak of the so called Orwells1984 WM6 beta ROM for the Wizard, a lot of home-cooked WM6 ROMs have appeared.
I tried to make clarity for myself across the different version and started doing file comparison… at the binary level
(date don't help and a lot of cooks are tempering with ROM version numbers, so that is the only way to figure differences)!
One of the many comparison I’ve done and I would like to report here is the content of the IMGFS partition of WM6’s ROMs,
namely the Orwells’1984 original leaked rom and Faria’s latest WM6 ROM named “faria-htc wizard...WWE WM6 ROM- [the real thing]”.
My findings are really surprising as a binary comparison shows that Orwells’s1984 and Faria’s WM6 share 1094 identical files.
Only 31 files present in both ROMs are different (among these are the usual suspects like initflash.dat, system.hv, user.hv,
the CommManager and a bunch of package files). The attached .ZIP file contains the detailed comparison reports for more information.
Of course, they are play more files added by Faria, that makes this ROM his very own custom ROM,
he tuned the registry settings for stability and performance, re-organized the icons, branded the ROM with his name, etc.
added no less than 403 files and removed 59 files from Orwells'1984...
... but the fact that his ROM is based on Orwells'1984 ROM like all other Wizard WM6 ROMs remains.
I used the IMGFS tools and a file comparison tool to establish these facts.
I can post the methodology on this forum if people are interested and are willing to look in these details.
--eluth.

Is your flame suit on?

and.........???
I don't know what your point is? You made a statement, but why? Where are you going with your statement?
The sky is blue. Grass is green. Now what?

Wooow
...sounds like a serious charge
Are you even sure that Orwells is the real leak ?
or it's ported from the Universal ?
...just curious

Honestly, I'm not sure that there is that much difference between Orwell's and any other WM6 ROM. The only difference I've found is that when you tap the connection manager in the top bar in Orwell's, you cannot turn off the wifi. Also, I've not been able to choose WMA files for my alarms.
What are the other functional differences?

i heard the orwell rom was ported from the universal but before it was on a universal it was ported from a nokia phone owned by bill gates nephews brother
so faria and others i hope you can live with the fact all your roms started life on a nokia phone
the tools i used to gather this information can be found at www.timemuchtimeonmyhands.com

His Point
I believe his point is that all the wm6 rom's out there is from Orwells’s1984. I think I remember faria's mentioning his wm6 cook rom is the real thing, not from Orwells’s1984 beta rom. Maybe he's trying to point that out. Interesting facts thou, love this forum.
Right now, I believe there is only 3 sources of original wm6 rom that cooks use , one is from Orwells’s1984, The First Chinese version of wm6 that surface dunno if this was from Orwells’s1984. And last would be the one from Mun that was extracted from Herms. Oh didn't see the eariler post so guess it goes back even more ..haha.

Well, i for one cant believe you called out one of the few, and i do stress that word, few people who are even writing these roms. I for one have spent 2 weeks of my own time working on the Vanilla rom ported from mUn's release. Which by the way is in beta test and will be hopefully released within a week or so depending on the feed back it gets. At this point, Im not even sure i want to release it publically with someone who has only 16 posts to his name. Why not try and write your own rom and make it a public release, then you will see how much time and effort goes into it. much less, the issues that everyone if quick to point out and you are expected to fix. even the ones that are M$ issues that you wont be able to fix until they release to our phones. Im not about to release this rom if people like this are going to just try and point out the fact that he didnt write the OS, which is next to impossible plus, if he had written WM6 from scratch, it wouldnt be WM6. Give it a rest and just enjoy the fact that you have a life and arent willing to spend 2 weeks doing one of the things that very few are doing. If you think you can do it better, be my guest.

easymob said:
i heard the orwell rom was ported from the universal but before it was on a universal it was ported from a nokia phone owned by bill gates nephews brother
so faria and others i hope you can live with the fact all your roms started life on a nokia phone
the tools i used to gather this information can be found at www.timemuchtimeonmyhands.com
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Man, you're too funny
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I don't post much but I do read and get alot of information from this forum. I also get to take advantage of the hard work that Faria, Summiter and others put into creating better ROM's for our devices....
But your comment is useless and contributes nothing to this forum. I strongly urge you to either keep your comments to yourself, develop your own ROM to distribute to others, and deal with the 'public', or leave this forum never to return.

To all the reader of this post, I must first emphasis on the point that I'm not trying to criticizes Faria's work or any chef's work.
This is not my point.
The fact that I have only 16 posts (actually 18 with this post ) had nothing to do with my point either.
The only thing it says is how many contributions I did to xda-developer as a forum, which is very little, I agree.
Neither itdoes reflect how many post I read since I joined, nor my knowledge in the field.
Initially, I'm a simple user of Microsoft's and they some chef's ROM.
With all the talks around WM6, I started experimenting in ROM cooking and naturally,
I asked myself, like many other readers of this forum, what are the differences and benefits with all the new WM6 ROMs popping up...
What I did differently, is I devised my own methodology to understand commonalities and differences, by extracting files from ROMs,
dumping registries, doing comparison of files and registries...
What I'm trying to reflect here is (you got exactly my point g0dblissyou) that all the Wizard WM6 ROMs out there have a common ancestor,
which is Orwells’s1984, including Faria's WM6 ROM.
There is nothing to be ashamed of, and again I want to acknowledge and recognize Faria's great work.
No doubt it's hard work, and it takes a long time to polish a ROM.
He did a great job in all the ROMs he released (I used some and I liked them).
He clearly did contribute immensely to this community, and for that I'm thankful.
I just don't understand why Faria claims in multiple occasions that this ROM IS NOT BASED
on Orwell's when, based on my observations, this is clearly INEXACT.
I'm not trying to judge, attack or hurt anyone. I'm just stating facts.
Again, the only point I'm trying to make is,
Claims that Faria's WM6 ROM has nothing to do with Orwells'1984 are greatly exaggerated.
--eluth.

I'm going to state this publicly and once...
If you have a problem with the claims of another member (senior, junior or otherwise), take it up with that member through a PM BEFORE you post publicly. If you aren't satisfied, take it up with a moderator, and if you aren't satisfied with that response, bring it to the attention of the rest of the forum.
Request: Mods, all posts in this that do not pertain to technical issues related differences between the WM6 ROM's in question should be closely watched.

nottoosmart said:
Well, i for one cant believe you called out one of the few, and i do stress that word, few people who are even writing these roms. I for one have spent 2 weeks of my own time working on the Vanilla rom ported from mUn's release. Which by the way is in beta test and will be hopefully released within a week or so depending on the feed back it gets. At this point, Im not even sure i want to release it publically with someone who has only 16 posts to his name. Why not try and write your own rom and make it a public release, then you will see how much time and effort goes into it. much less, the issues that everyone if quick to point out and you are expected to fix. even the ones that are M$ issues that you wont be able to fix until they release to our phones. Im not about to release this rom if people like this are going to just try and point out the fact that he didnt write the OS, which is next to impossible plus, if he had written WM6 from scratch, it wouldnt be WM6. Give it a rest and just enjoy the fact that you have a life and arent willing to spend 2 weeks doing one of the things that very few are doing. If you think you can do it better, be my guest.
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I think his point was that faria claimed this...
"THIS rom has no parts from any current wm6 rom,this is a real WWE wizard rom ,all the parts needed to make it as a full rom were sourced from my 3.3."
When that is infact not the case, if this is true. If you dont make such claims, there will be nothing for others to complain about.

i think maybe this is why when i ask Faria about uploading the original rom from which he had cooked "The real thing" version, he never replied!

how many files does orwells rom have with other wm5 and wm6 roms? i guarantee its a very high percent. Its not like these people are taking windows and making macs, they're improving on a product.
I see what you're saying but so many people have and enjoy farias rom that i dont think you're comment was in line

bachikho said:
i think maybe this is why when i ask Faria about uploading the original rom from which he had cooked "The real thing" version, he never replied!
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Ok, stop there... Don't start speculating and making assumptions like this. Do you know how many PM's Faria gets every day? Do you know how many posts in a single day were posted in his thread for the new rom? Do you know how much of a life Faria has outside XDA-Developers? Has Faria answered every single post in his threads? (remember, he has more than one ROM out and then there are multiple posts started about his rom also). If you also read his posts, he indicated a couple of times he could not discuss certain aspects of how he got the code base that he started with, so if you did ask, it was most likely after that was stated, so why should he answer it again (and again and again and again) when so many people here won't read a single page in front of the one they are posting on.
Geez, you ask a question and don't get a response so now you claim its a conspiracy / cover-up (ok, you didn't say that, but you are sure implying it here with your comment quoted above).
I've thought about dabbling in cooking roms, but now that I see the appreciation people get (not just this thread but in others like the threads for the rom releases themselves) I honestly don't think I'd want the frustration that comes with it. A LOT OF TIME and effort goes into these and then people nit pick and demand and demand and demand more. Not even mentioning where I see this thread heading.

I checked the bin diffs. If this was in fact a new ROM Microsoft standards would have at least update the version resources. I'm confused now because the greatest Wizard ROM chef is called into question. Jose, I know how much work and testing you put into your ROMs BUT when the base binaries are the same I just get to wondering. It's no shame if you build a better mousetrap with the same tools -- as bin diff claims, but to claim a new and better source of the base build would get me killed in my KDE work. Fess up or counter now -- your credibility is in grave jeopardy.

Would you stop ?
At first I also thought it was suspicious...but then I realised that I don't even care.
And you will accomplish absolutely nothing by backbiting somebody.
I say stop here and delete this thread. What if the one in questioning was you ?
After long, hard, FREE work done for this comunity(1220 posts, sounds heavy to me, in only 1 year+countless PM's),
suddenly some guy launches a rumour...and the news is spreading ... My question is :
How would you feel ?
I rest my case here.
This is nonsense talk,
I don't care if it's a true WM6 core or not,
this will bring no good for the comunity

STOP IT!!!!!!
This thread is crap. WHAT DO YOU WANT NEW OS(FOR FREE!!!!!). PAY MS 500dollars then you will know what does OS cost.
BY saying that faria would have meant that it is not like all those rom which were released recently and not the whole OS.
CLOSE this thread.

Jeeezzzz, give me a break. The OP just post his finding. He was careful enough to post this:
eluth said:
Preliminary Note: to Faria and others – please don’t take this email as a criticism of your work.
I assure you It is not. I also want to thank Faria and all the chefs – I learn a lot dissecting their great work.
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If Faria's ROM is the real CB then MS is in trouble because comparing to WM5, CB is too buggy to be the real, final product. Just because Faria is a ROM Cooker, that does not mean that nobody is allow to post an opinion or finding about his works. Do you go about everyday in life without ever question everything you've heard or seen? Last time I check this forum isn't in North Korea where as you are not allow to question everything you've heard or seen.

My suggestion for information overload...

I've been following the forums for about a year, when I flashed an 8525, and now I have a tilt. Flashed to a new att rom, and just on Monday flashed to a wm6.1 rom. But there are a lot of rom's to choose from.
I propose that we create a sticky, with a listing of all the rom's, so that its easier on everyone, to find the data. No more need for flames, for folks that find the data and exchange a bit daunting.
In this sticky, I'd also propose that key attrtibutes of each rom, be used for comparison. Like, for example, whether OneNote is included, what programs are behind the HTC home, what colors are the primary interface (I personally dislike black, and love blue), what radio is suggested, and what additional software is included. Or what media player is the primary one. HTC's Audio manager sounds good, but... it plays disc's in Alphabetical order and not track order like WMP. I like track order best.
I'd also suggest that there be links to screenshots.
I just think it would have helped me make a better choice of rom's, or to really evaluate what my needs are, as opposed to the creator's needs.
To me its like car shopping.

zibbie said:
I've been following the forums for about a year, when I flashed an 8525, and now I have a tilt. Flashed to a new att rom, and just on Monday flashed to a wm6.1 rom. But there are a lot of rom's to choose from.
I propose that we create a sticky, with a listing of all the rom's, so that its easier on everyone, to find the data. No more need for flames, for folks that find the data and exchange a bit daunting.
In this sticky, I'd also propose that key attrtibutes of each rom, be used for comparison. Like, for example, whether OneNote is included, what programs are behind the HTC home, what colors are the primary interface (I personally dislike black, and love blue), what radio is suggested, and what additional software is included. Or what media player is the primary one. HTC's Audio manager sounds good, but... it plays disc's in Alphabetical order and not track order like WMP. I like track order best.
I'd also suggest that there be links to screenshots.
I just think it would have helped me make a better choice of rom's, or to really evaluate what my needs are, as opposed to the creator's needs.
To me its like car shopping.
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There was a thread like this. It was created by a mod and it's in a sticky. Why does no one read it? Because it stopped being updated for one reason or another...
List of Kaiser Rom Threads and Download Links...First Page...Last Page ...First Unread Post
There is also a page on the wiki, which can be updated by anyone. If you're serious about your suggestions, how about making them. Remember to keep it unbiased. You can start here: Available Cooked ROM Versions

Perhaps your thread, sir, is redundant.
*wonders why nobody reads the threads any more...*

jarek91 said:
Perhaps your thread, sir, is redundant.
*wonders why nobody reads the threads any more...*
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I totally agreed with you.

How many of these "I have a suggestion" type of threads are we going to have??? OMG! Maybe we should have a "I have a suggestion" sub-section!

LOL. _ALEX_ you famous. 2 posts and both quote you. LOL. I'm loving this. And people said I was just a mean person and I should learn to help. I see others are now starting to become fed up with all the BS that goes on lately.
TO the OP (original poster/in case you didn't know)
PLease read the sticky

Well I have read it...
and I didn't see a comparison chart of each release, and the relative merits of any of the software.
But that's ok, because in your eyes, I'm a noob, and therefore common respect, really isn't even offered, or even expected. Its just a way for you all to complain.
I've read the wiki, or I wouldn't have been able to flash the rom, or get a new radio. Or themes.
It was only a suggestion, one I never thought you'd go with, because then you can't have the tiered society. Us noobs, aren't people. In you world we are incapable of reading.
Could it be, that there is just too much info to reasonably digest, while we also hold down jobs, and live reasonable lives. Nope, that couldn't be it. Us noobs are just the whipping boys.
Got it. Loud and clear.

zibbie said:
and I didn't see a comparison chart of each release, and the relative merits of any of the software.
But that's ok, because in your eyes, I'm a noob, and therefore common respect, really isn't even offered, or even expected. Its just a way for you all to complain.
I've read the wiki, or I wouldn't have been able to flash the rom, or get a new radio. Or themes.
It was only a suggestion, one I never thought you'd go with, because then you can't have the tiered society. Us noobs, aren't people. In you world we are incapable of reading.
Could it be, that there is just too much info to reasonably digest, while we also hold down jobs, and live reasonable lives. Nope, that couldn't be it. Us noobs are just the whipping boys.
Got it. Loud and clear.
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I didn't whip you at all in this thread. I just want to see less suggestions and more actual work. Have at the 'Available Cooked ROMs' page and OWN it.
I think everyone else is reading my recent bunch of posts and thinkng I'm just trashing everyone, when I'm not... I'm just being really honest in my posts and holding nothing back...
EDIT2: The quickest way for your suggestions to be put into place is to DO IT YOURSELF.
(edit3) It's the reason why I stopped asking if I should create a rollup sticky or update the wiki. Just like good old Bo Jackson, I followed the creedo of JUST DO IT. (Copyright Nike - please don't sue me...)

zibbie said:
and I didn't see a comparison chart of each release, and the relative merits of any of the software.
But that's ok, because in your eyes, I'm a noob, and therefore common respect, really isn't even offered, or even expected. Its just a way for you all to complain.
I've read the wiki, or I wouldn't have been able to flash the rom, or get a new radio. Or themes.
It was only a suggestion, one I never thought you'd go with, because then you can't have the tiered society. Us noobs, aren't people. In you world we are incapable of reading.
Could it be, that there is just too much info to reasonably digest, while we also hold down jobs, and live reasonable lives. Nope, that couldn't be it. Us noobs are just the whipping boys.
Got it. Loud and clear.
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what about my post was whipping you? I even said please. Now to be honest, who is going to have the time to write up a visual chart of what has what and what doesn't ROM. I suggest, go to each individual Rom and write down "What I like" & "What I don't like" and go from there. Everything on here is provided for free. Alex didn't have to create a kitchen with tutorails for people to cook, but he took the initiative. The chef's didn't have to release their roms for everyone to use, criticize and tear apart but they took the initiative and did so.
Now, my suggestion is if you want something like you stated in your OP, why don't you take the initiative and create it instead of offering a suggestion and hoping someone else will create it for you. I'm sure some would appreciate it even.
<<steps down from soapbox now.

zibbie said:
and I didn't see a comparison chart of each release, and the relative merits of any of the software.
But that's ok, because in your eyes, I'm a noob, and therefore common respect, really isn't even offered, or even expected. Its just a way for you all to complain.
I've read the wiki, or I wouldn't have been able to flash the rom, or get a new radio. Or themes.
It was only a suggestion, one I never thought you'd go with, because then you can't have the tiered society. Us noobs, aren't people. In you world we are incapable of reading.
Could it be, that there is just too much info to reasonably digest, while we also hold down jobs, and live reasonable lives. Nope, that couldn't be it. Us noobs are just the whipping boys.
Got it. Loud and clear.
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Actually, sir, what I said was this post was redundant because we already have a recent and active thread about this very subject. However, since you insist on having this conversation in the redundant thread rather than the actual thread I've already linked to...
The issue with your suggestion is "relative merits". This is going to vary widely depending on who you talk to. I hate GPS Tool and love GPSTest. I like HTC Home and threaded SMS. I can't stand the HTC Calculator but love 1Calc. Guess how many people disagree with my likes/dislikes... Yeah...most every has some different ones. So how, pray tell, are we to make you a chart with those merits?
As for the list of programs included, sorry but have you seen the first posts of the release threads? That chart would be 200 pages long to include all of that. I know it's a lot of information, but honestly the best way to do it is have a list of links to the ROMs and let you click on each and read just the first post or two by the chef. Then you can determine for yourself which one has features/apps you are interested in. By pure coincidence, I have an updated version of the Cooked ROMs wiki I'll be putting in place in a few hours that has the list of roms by OS version, then by Chef, then by date. That should make it a bit easier to navigate the information.
And to reiterate _Alex_'s statement...this is a forum and we have a wiki...if you see something is missing that would help...then work on it yourself. Let others know it's there and you'll probably even get help with getting it tweaked out and chocked full of info. This whole place is here because of community input. Offer something back.
It's not that you are a n00b that we get snippy. We all were/are (depending on how you look at it). At least not from my point of view. It's that while we're talking about how to deal with redundant threads...you make one. Others may have different reasons for acting the way they do towards you, but that is the entirety of my reasons for my actions.

Head to head comparisons/review of major cooked ROMs - anyone done one?

Hello all,
Having recently upgraded my Hermes to a Kaiser (well actually a AT & T Tilt) and re-flashing it with Schaps 4.30 Rom i have since noticed a sharp decline in performance (compared with my Hermes).
This lead me to look around for something 'better' coming across Duttys cooked ROM and has prompted me to initiate this thread.
Has anyone done a 'review' of the major cooked ROM's out there or even better, put them head to head?

new_ppc_user said:
Hello all,
Having recently upgraded my Hermes to a Kaiser (well actually a AT & T Tilt) and re-flashing it with Schaps 4.30 Rom i have since noticed a sharp decline in performance (compared with my Hermes).
This lead me to look around for something 'better' coming across Duttys cooked ROM and has prompted me to initiate this thread.
Has anyone done a 'review' of the major cooked ROM's out there or even better, put them head to head?
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NOPE. Feel free to be the first.

new_ppc_user said:
Hello all,
Having recently upgraded my Hermes to a Kaiser (well actually a AT & T Tilt) and re-flashing it with Schaps 4.30 Rom i have since noticed a sharp decline in performance (compared with my Hermes).
This lead me to look around for something 'better' coming across Duttys cooked ROM and has prompted me to initiate this thread.
Has anyone done a 'review' of the major cooked ROM's out there or even better, put them head to head?
P1Tater said:
NOPE. Feel free to be the first.
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Be aware that it will be your full-time job as new ROMs come out almost every 2-3 days.

well lets put it this way. im sure many of you have tried several different roms on your devices.
can anyone shed some light our input into the major rom players?

answer this question and you will get it
Do you like apple or orange ?
They are both fruit but you cannot head to head compare them.
Beside that newer rom is likely but not necessarily to be better. Try around with different Rom and radio to get your favorite one. Well, It takes about 15 mins to flash so you can pretty much try all the Rom in here in few days. In the end, if you are not happy , do some extensive research so you can brew your own.
Dutty Rom is popular and pretty suitable to start up.

aberz said:
answer this question and you will get it
Do you like apple or orange ?
They are both fruit but you cannot head to head compare them.
Beside that newer rom is likely but not necessarily to be better. Try around with different Rom and radio to get your favorite one. Well, It takes about 15 mins to flash so you can pretty much try all the Rom in here in few days. In the end, if you are not happy , do some extensive research so you can brew your own.
Dutty Rom is popular and pretty suitable to start up.
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i like both !! so that still doesnt answer my question.
unfortunately, i currently have a pretty hectic schedule so i cant really afford to flash and re-flash my unit all the time. in addition it would take quite a while as i have quite a few additional programs on there.
i am under the impression that Dutty and Schap and the two major players here?
things i need to consider:
- speed of operating system
- ease of use
- stability
- usefull applications

new_ppc_user said:
i like both !! so that still doesnt answer my question.
unfortunately, i currently have a pretty hectic schedule so i cant really afford to flash and re-flash my unit all the time. in addition it would take quite a while as i have quite a few additional programs on there.
i am under the impression that Dutty and Schap and the two major players here?
things i need to consider:
- speed of operating system
- ease of use
- stability
- usefull applications
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Sleuth would also be considered a major player here...
In regards to what you want in a ROM, all signs are pointing to Dutty's except for the useful applications. Just add em yourself though...
His is the fastest ROM I have ever used for any device, including the Hermes...
However, opinions are like assholes....

new_ppc_user said:
i like both !! so that still doesnt answer my question.
unfortunately, i currently have a pretty hectic schedule so i cant really afford to flash and re-flash my unit all the time. in addition it would take quite a while as i have quite a few additional programs on there.
i am under the impression that Dutty and Schap and the two major players here?
things i need to consider:
- speed of operating system
- ease of use
- stability
- usefull applications
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So let me get this straight. You want someone else to do all the work and let you reap the benefits? I see now.
My God man. They cooked the rom. What more do you want? You want me to flash your phone for you? WOW.

P1Tater said:
So let me get this straight. You want someone else to do all the work and let you reap the benefits? I see now.
My God man. They cooked the rom. What more do you want? You want me to flash your phone for you? WOW.
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He's got a pretty hectic schedule unlike us.

oh please give me a break !!!!
the point of this thread is two fold. yes, i want to do as little as possible
however, i would like to ENCOURAGE the discussion of the different ROMs that are available so that WE as users can talk about what we like in the different roms we encouter with their good points and bad points.
and please, dont tell me you dont scour the internet looking for reviews ?

sherpa said:
He's got a pretty hectic schedule unlike us.
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cuz all we do is spoonfeed

new_ppc_user said:
oh please give me a break !!!!
the point of this thread is two fold. yes, i want to do as little as possible
however, i would like to ENCOURAGE the discussion of the different ROMs that are available so that WE as users can talk about what we like in the different roms we encouter with their good points and bad points.
and please, dont tell me you dont scour the internet looking for reviews ?
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No, I dont look for reviews of roms. I flash them and if I dont like them I flash a different one. I have literally tried every single rom (that is in English unlike ATW who even tries foriegn languages) to try and find the one that works best for me. I suggest you do the same and quit asking for someone to do the work for you. The reason I say this is that I can't tell you how many times this same question has been asked. You are definitely not the first nor will you be the last. It seems as though it comes up at least once a week. So, read the first post of the rom, if you dont like what you read or see then move on to the next. Either that or do as most of us do and flash it.

new_ppc_user said:
oh please give me a break !!!!
the point of this thread is two fold. yes, i want to do as little as possible
however, i would like to ENCOURAGE the discussion of the different ROMs that are available so that WE as users can talk about what we like in the different roms we encouter with their good points and bad points.
and please, dont tell me you dont scour the internet looking for reviews ?
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We don't need to scour the internet looking for reviews. We just read the threads in the forum and test ourselves. All the information you will ever need is found in these forums.

P1Tater said:
No, I dont look for reviews of roms. I flash them and if I dont like them I flash a different one. I have literally tried every single rom (that is in English unlike ATW who even tries foriegn languages) to try and find the one that works best for me. I suggest you do the same and quit asking for someone to do the work for you. The reason I say this is that I can't tell you how many times this same question has been asked. You are definitely not the first nor will you be the last. It seems as though it comes up at least once a week. So, read the first post of the rom, if you dont like what you read or see then move on to the next. Either that or do as most of us do and flash it.
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Yup... with this guy... it's very easy to use PIM backup and your storage card to backup your vitals before flashing. Sure it's tedious, but that's how this all works. People will review different ROMS on different criteria and it's up to you to find what makes you happy.

new_ppc_user said:
oh please give me a break !!!!
the point of this thread is two fold. yes, i want to do as little as possible
however, i would like to ENCOURAGE the discussion of the different ROMs that are available so that WE as users can talk about what we like in the different roms we encouter with their good points and bad points.
and please, dont tell me you dont scour the internet looking for reviews ?
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Smart man , you want to pay the least to get the most .
1st fold
You want to do as little as possible, so we have to do more to cover your work ? > Fail
2nd fold
There is no "we" and "as users" , should be " I " " as a lazy leecher"
And there is also no point in promoting ROMs discussion. We can talk all day without coming up with any thing good but potential conflict.
> fail, again
I dont know about your schedule but my is also packed too ( ask a pre-med, senior Bio student) . And most of peeps here also get a thing call "life" . If I can do it , you can too. Flashing a Rom is not rocket science that would take a life time to do.
How about this, consider flashing your piece of device a relaxing activity for your break . I would be less pain and more joy. If you dont find flashing , trying and using Rom fun , why bother asking here.
p/s for the amount of time finish 2 posts , you could have already flashed a cool Rom lol.

I hate to jump on the bandwagon, but I'm afraid the only way to work out the best ROM for you is to test them all. If a ROM is unstable, you'll be able to tell pretty quickly from scanning the thread and what is one man's "useful applications" is another man's "bloatware".
The best analogy I've seen is with cars - to some people the perfect car is a sports car, to others it's a people-carrier, everyone's needs and uses are different. Also, as most of the ROMs are built on the same two or three OS builds, you're comparing the cars with virtually identical engines, so differences will be minor*.
My suggestion is make a list of what you use on your phone, then decide if you want a fast ROM (in which case flash a lite ROM and add the bits you want via cabs) or an easy ROM (in which case flash a ROM that's got the most of the things on your list).
You will never get everyone to agree on the "best" ROM simply because there isn't one that is head and shoulders above the others*, just optimised by and for different chefs.
*No offence intended to the great chefs on this forum! I know how much work you must put into your ROMs and I'm not trying to belittle that, just get the point across.

Also, it doesn't hurt to take the little bit of time that is required to make an SDConfig.txt file for the User Customization that most of the ROMs utilize now. That in and of itself is a huge timesaver. Take advantage of that, and someone else also posted PIM Backup, which can also help aid in moving from one ROM to another.
Use one ROM for a week, see how you like it then move on if you want to. That's more or less what I've done. And I've found what I've liked.

JUst another case of someone wanting to be fed.

Was it Karhu who would do benchmarks of all the ROM's in the Hermes forum? Talk about intensive... but again, strictly numbers, meant as an informative comparison of different things.

I think I got your thoughts...
I wanna a ROM table for comparisons... I can say its very difficult to make
1) ROMs change every day... its a rough job to keep it update
2) ROMs are like taste. You like a XYZ ROM because its faster but a friend may like a BCD ROM because it runs that app faster.
3) There ia a lot of apps within those ROMs that make they different. Comparing works if all ROMs carried the same stuff.
4) There are no tops ROM... there are populars ROM
I'm looking to flash my kaiser too but I allways got confused too with different cooked ROMs.
I suggest you to read all of your interest, ask them for any detailed spec. Install the HardSPL for Godsake and try it.

A time based review?

I was thinking maybe after a rom has been up for a certain amount of time, maybe a basic review by a mod or admin on the site or anyone else for that matter after the the initial problems have been fixed with the rom.
Mainly to establish stability and functionality and to whom it would be suited for such as buisness people or gamers etc and have it as a sticky near the top of the thread?
Please dont shout at me if this is out of line its just when i start to look at a rom it gets a bit tedious looking through the hundreds of pages to find out the pros and cons.
Thanks for any input

Good Idea
You should check the WIKI and choose from all the cooked roms available
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Kaiser_Cooked_ROMs
Every rom has good/bad things so... It'll sound rude but... try one by one!!!
If you need help choosing a ROM, by my experience, I can recommend Garmin's v1.0 and hang.tuah's RomeOS v4.1
They are stable, fast and a lot of memory available

Most of the chefs already do this. Generally speaking, they will update the 1st/2nd/3rd post of the thread with new version information or issues/fixes.
You should do the following:
Find a ROM that interests you, and read the first couple posts. If you are still intrigued, then read the rest of the thread.
Once a ROM is older than 1-2 months, it is pretty much dead and will not see any further updates from the chef. Something Dutty used to do that I liked was request his threads to be closed once a ROM reached a certain age and was no longer supported. He usually did this if a ROM was particularly buggy and a new version was released to correct the issues.

carlos_polanco said:
You should check the WIKI and choose from all the cooked roms available
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Kaiser_Cooked_ROMs
Every rom has good/bad things so... It'll sound rude but... try one by one!!!
If you need help choosing a ROM, by my experience, I can recommend Garmin's v1.0 and hang.tuah's RomeOS v4.1
They are stable, fast and a lot of memory available
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Thanks i shall have a look at the link

NotATreoFan said:
Most of the chefs already do this. Generally speaking, they will update the 1st/2nd/3rd post of the thread with new version information or issues/fixes.
You should do the following:
Find a ROM that interests you, and read the first couple posts. If you are still intrigued, then read the rest of the thread.
Once a ROM is older than 1-2 months, it is pretty much dead and will not see any further updates from the chef. Something Dutty used to do that I liked was request his threads to be closed once a ROM reached a certain age and was no longer supported. He usually did this if a ROM was particularly buggy and a new version was released to correct the issues.
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First thanks for the reply both of you,i understand that they tell you about issues and fixes, but just an over all description like this rom is very finger friendly a good rom for gamers because of the amount of memory left or more a stylus operated rom and buisness orientated rom.
I can sift through my self and understand a certain amount but for noobs evenmore so than myself it might prove helpful and save a couple of questions?
Any way i shall look at that link now.
Thanks people.

djp76 said:
Thanks i shall have a look at the link
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Just looked at the link VERY helpful thanks didn't realise that existed

trail & error
trail and error was my second best teacher
read enough to get convinced then try the ROM yourself
best wishes,
djp76 said:
I was thinking maybe after a rom has been up for a certain amount of time, maybe a basic review by a mod or admin on the site or anyone else for that matter after the the initial problems have been fixed with the rom.
Mainly to establish stability and functionality and to whom it would be suited for such as buisness people or gamers etc and have it as a sticky near the top of the thread?
Please dont shout at me if this is out of line its just when i start to look at a rom it gets a bit tedious looking through the hundreds of pages to find out the pros and cons.
Thanks for any input
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jahrami said:
trail and error was my second best teacher
read enough to get convinced then try the ROM yourself
best wishes,
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Im just trying the throttle rom at the moment im quite impressed a good port from the diamond,love the UI on the today screen although it can be sluggish in loading the selected app.
Not really installed much since flashing,its a bit annoying the messaging aspect of it i dont like the way it loads the message in the same way it would render a web page would rather it went straight to the message.
Love the new calender and the icontacts feature.
Any way it would seem i am writing my own review here so i shall stop now
Thanks for your input and help everyone
You may aswell kill this thread if you want.