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faria's WM6 ROM is based on Orwells'1984, isn't it?

Preliminary Note: to Faria and others – please don’t take this email as a criticism of your work.
I assure you It is not. I also want to thank Faria and all the chefs – I learn a lot dissecting their great work.
Since the leak of the so called Orwells1984 WM6 beta ROM for the Wizard, a lot of home-cooked WM6 ROMs have appeared.
I tried to make clarity for myself across the different version and started doing file comparison… at the binary level
(date don't help and a lot of cooks are tempering with ROM version numbers, so that is the only way to figure differences)!
One of the many comparison I’ve done and I would like to report here is the content of the IMGFS partition of WM6’s ROMs,
namely the Orwells’1984 original leaked rom and Faria’s latest WM6 ROM named “faria-htc wizard...WWE WM6 ROM- [the real thing]”.
My findings are really surprising as a binary comparison shows that Orwells’s1984 and Faria’s WM6 share 1094 identical files.
Only 31 files present in both ROMs are different (among these are the usual suspects like initflash.dat, system.hv, user.hv,
the CommManager and a bunch of package files). The attached .ZIP file contains the detailed comparison reports for more information.
Of course, they are play more files added by Faria, that makes this ROM his very own custom ROM,
he tuned the registry settings for stability and performance, re-organized the icons, branded the ROM with his name, etc.
added no less than 403 files and removed 59 files from Orwells'1984...
... but the fact that his ROM is based on Orwells'1984 ROM like all other Wizard WM6 ROMs remains.
I used the IMGFS tools and a file comparison tool to establish these facts.
I can post the methodology on this forum if people are interested and are willing to look in these details.
--eluth.

Is your flame suit on?

and.........???
I don't know what your point is? You made a statement, but why? Where are you going with your statement?
The sky is blue. Grass is green. Now what?

Wooow
...sounds like a serious charge
Are you even sure that Orwells is the real leak ?
or it's ported from the Universal ?
...just curious

Honestly, I'm not sure that there is that much difference between Orwell's and any other WM6 ROM. The only difference I've found is that when you tap the connection manager in the top bar in Orwell's, you cannot turn off the wifi. Also, I've not been able to choose WMA files for my alarms.
What are the other functional differences?

i heard the orwell rom was ported from the universal but before it was on a universal it was ported from a nokia phone owned by bill gates nephews brother
so faria and others i hope you can live with the fact all your roms started life on a nokia phone
the tools i used to gather this information can be found at www.timemuchtimeonmyhands.com

His Point
I believe his point is that all the wm6 rom's out there is from Orwells’s1984. I think I remember faria's mentioning his wm6 cook rom is the real thing, not from Orwells’s1984 beta rom. Maybe he's trying to point that out. Interesting facts thou, love this forum.
Right now, I believe there is only 3 sources of original wm6 rom that cooks use , one is from Orwells’s1984, The First Chinese version of wm6 that surface dunno if this was from Orwells’s1984. And last would be the one from Mun that was extracted from Herms. Oh didn't see the eariler post so guess it goes back even more ..haha.

Well, i for one cant believe you called out one of the few, and i do stress that word, few people who are even writing these roms. I for one have spent 2 weeks of my own time working on the Vanilla rom ported from mUn's release. Which by the way is in beta test and will be hopefully released within a week or so depending on the feed back it gets. At this point, Im not even sure i want to release it publically with someone who has only 16 posts to his name. Why not try and write your own rom and make it a public release, then you will see how much time and effort goes into it. much less, the issues that everyone if quick to point out and you are expected to fix. even the ones that are M$ issues that you wont be able to fix until they release to our phones. Im not about to release this rom if people like this are going to just try and point out the fact that he didnt write the OS, which is next to impossible plus, if he had written WM6 from scratch, it wouldnt be WM6. Give it a rest and just enjoy the fact that you have a life and arent willing to spend 2 weeks doing one of the things that very few are doing. If you think you can do it better, be my guest.

easymob said:
i heard the orwell rom was ported from the universal but before it was on a universal it was ported from a nokia phone owned by bill gates nephews brother
so faria and others i hope you can live with the fact all your roms started life on a nokia phone
the tools i used to gather this information can be found at www.timemuchtimeonmyhands.com
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Man, you're too funny
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I don't post much but I do read and get alot of information from this forum. I also get to take advantage of the hard work that Faria, Summiter and others put into creating better ROM's for our devices....
But your comment is useless and contributes nothing to this forum. I strongly urge you to either keep your comments to yourself, develop your own ROM to distribute to others, and deal with the 'public', or leave this forum never to return.

To all the reader of this post, I must first emphasis on the point that I'm not trying to criticizes Faria's work or any chef's work.
This is not my point.
The fact that I have only 16 posts (actually 18 with this post ) had nothing to do with my point either.
The only thing it says is how many contributions I did to xda-developer as a forum, which is very little, I agree.
Neither itdoes reflect how many post I read since I joined, nor my knowledge in the field.
Initially, I'm a simple user of Microsoft's and they some chef's ROM.
With all the talks around WM6, I started experimenting in ROM cooking and naturally,
I asked myself, like many other readers of this forum, what are the differences and benefits with all the new WM6 ROMs popping up...
What I did differently, is I devised my own methodology to understand commonalities and differences, by extracting files from ROMs,
dumping registries, doing comparison of files and registries...
What I'm trying to reflect here is (you got exactly my point g0dblissyou) that all the Wizard WM6 ROMs out there have a common ancestor,
which is Orwells’s1984, including Faria's WM6 ROM.
There is nothing to be ashamed of, and again I want to acknowledge and recognize Faria's great work.
No doubt it's hard work, and it takes a long time to polish a ROM.
He did a great job in all the ROMs he released (I used some and I liked them).
He clearly did contribute immensely to this community, and for that I'm thankful.
I just don't understand why Faria claims in multiple occasions that this ROM IS NOT BASED
on Orwell's when, based on my observations, this is clearly INEXACT.
I'm not trying to judge, attack or hurt anyone. I'm just stating facts.
Again, the only point I'm trying to make is,
Claims that Faria's WM6 ROM has nothing to do with Orwells'1984 are greatly exaggerated.
--eluth.

I'm going to state this publicly and once...
If you have a problem with the claims of another member (senior, junior or otherwise), take it up with that member through a PM BEFORE you post publicly. If you aren't satisfied, take it up with a moderator, and if you aren't satisfied with that response, bring it to the attention of the rest of the forum.
Request: Mods, all posts in this that do not pertain to technical issues related differences between the WM6 ROM's in question should be closely watched.

nottoosmart said:
Well, i for one cant believe you called out one of the few, and i do stress that word, few people who are even writing these roms. I for one have spent 2 weeks of my own time working on the Vanilla rom ported from mUn's release. Which by the way is in beta test and will be hopefully released within a week or so depending on the feed back it gets. At this point, Im not even sure i want to release it publically with someone who has only 16 posts to his name. Why not try and write your own rom and make it a public release, then you will see how much time and effort goes into it. much less, the issues that everyone if quick to point out and you are expected to fix. even the ones that are M$ issues that you wont be able to fix until they release to our phones. Im not about to release this rom if people like this are going to just try and point out the fact that he didnt write the OS, which is next to impossible plus, if he had written WM6 from scratch, it wouldnt be WM6. Give it a rest and just enjoy the fact that you have a life and arent willing to spend 2 weeks doing one of the things that very few are doing. If you think you can do it better, be my guest.
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I think his point was that faria claimed this...
"THIS rom has no parts from any current wm6 rom,this is a real WWE wizard rom ,all the parts needed to make it as a full rom were sourced from my 3.3."
When that is infact not the case, if this is true. If you dont make such claims, there will be nothing for others to complain about.

i think maybe this is why when i ask Faria about uploading the original rom from which he had cooked "The real thing" version, he never replied!

how many files does orwells rom have with other wm5 and wm6 roms? i guarantee its a very high percent. Its not like these people are taking windows and making macs, they're improving on a product.
I see what you're saying but so many people have and enjoy farias rom that i dont think you're comment was in line

bachikho said:
i think maybe this is why when i ask Faria about uploading the original rom from which he had cooked "The real thing" version, he never replied!
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Ok, stop there... Don't start speculating and making assumptions like this. Do you know how many PM's Faria gets every day? Do you know how many posts in a single day were posted in his thread for the new rom? Do you know how much of a life Faria has outside XDA-Developers? Has Faria answered every single post in his threads? (remember, he has more than one ROM out and then there are multiple posts started about his rom also). If you also read his posts, he indicated a couple of times he could not discuss certain aspects of how he got the code base that he started with, so if you did ask, it was most likely after that was stated, so why should he answer it again (and again and again and again) when so many people here won't read a single page in front of the one they are posting on.
Geez, you ask a question and don't get a response so now you claim its a conspiracy / cover-up (ok, you didn't say that, but you are sure implying it here with your comment quoted above).
I've thought about dabbling in cooking roms, but now that I see the appreciation people get (not just this thread but in others like the threads for the rom releases themselves) I honestly don't think I'd want the frustration that comes with it. A LOT OF TIME and effort goes into these and then people nit pick and demand and demand and demand more. Not even mentioning where I see this thread heading.

I checked the bin diffs. If this was in fact a new ROM Microsoft standards would have at least update the version resources. I'm confused now because the greatest Wizard ROM chef is called into question. Jose, I know how much work and testing you put into your ROMs BUT when the base binaries are the same I just get to wondering. It's no shame if you build a better mousetrap with the same tools -- as bin diff claims, but to claim a new and better source of the base build would get me killed in my KDE work. Fess up or counter now -- your credibility is in grave jeopardy.

Would you stop ?
At first I also thought it was suspicious...but then I realised that I don't even care.
And you will accomplish absolutely nothing by backbiting somebody.
I say stop here and delete this thread. What if the one in questioning was you ?
After long, hard, FREE work done for this comunity(1220 posts, sounds heavy to me, in only 1 year+countless PM's),
suddenly some guy launches a rumour...and the news is spreading ... My question is :
How would you feel ?
I rest my case here.
This is nonsense talk,
I don't care if it's a true WM6 core or not,
this will bring no good for the comunity

STOP IT!!!!!!
This thread is crap. WHAT DO YOU WANT NEW OS(FOR FREE!!!!!). PAY MS 500dollars then you will know what does OS cost.
BY saying that faria would have meant that it is not like all those rom which were released recently and not the whole OS.
CLOSE this thread.

Jeeezzzz, give me a break. The OP just post his finding. He was careful enough to post this:
eluth said:
Preliminary Note: to Faria and others – please don’t take this email as a criticism of your work.
I assure you It is not. I also want to thank Faria and all the chefs – I learn a lot dissecting their great work.
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If Faria's ROM is the real CB then MS is in trouble because comparing to WM5, CB is too buggy to be the real, final product. Just because Faria is a ROM Cooker, that does not mean that nobody is allow to post an opinion or finding about his works. Do you go about everyday in life without ever question everything you've heard or seen? Last time I check this forum isn't in North Korea where as you are not allow to question everything you've heard or seen.

Why all these new WM6 ROMs?

I am a bit surprised that so many new WM6 ROMs are appearing on this board. The majority just appear to have been created using the Pandora kitchen.
The Pandora kitchen is so incredibly easy to use so why not just create your own ROM. We all have different requirements so no downloaded ROM is likely to suit anyone other than its originator.
The current Pandora kitchen is IMHO close to perfect. Cook your own it really is easy.
Provided you only flash the OS and nothing else you are no more likely to "brick" your Wizard than if you flash one of the preprepared ROMs - perhaps even less likely.

Dude, not all ppl have the patience, the knowledge (to edit files, edit/delete hex strings), and probably neither the courage to flash their own device for uncountable times in order to make something that will suit their needs.
I am not trying to tell you that I've got balls and super-knowledge to do that and someone else doesn't. The Pandora's Box is awesome, so is the Core Pro Kitchen also. But If it was THAT easy, MS would have also released a kitchen for every user to cook their ROM.

Im afraid I must agree with scotch whisky.
It reminds me of all these "WINXP UTILITIES AIO 2007 XP GOLD" packages that you often see.
I moderate a few boards and I do remove such things, Its not to say that what is being produced here isnt worthy of recognition, but I think it is certainly an idea to thin it a little.
For example lock the topic as soon as it is created and then have simply 1 well moderated thread for bug reports.
(And for gods sake can someone please shoot the noobs that feel they must post useless cr*p in every thread i.e "plzz sum1 [email protected] WM6 4 my PSP!!! PLZZZ!!!)
Just my 2ct...

Whiterat said:
Im afraid I must agree with scotch whisky.
(And for gods sake can someone please shoot the noobs that feel they must post useless cr*p in every thread i.e "plzz sum1 [email protected] WM6 4 my PSP!!! PLZZZ!!!)
Just my 2ct...
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i like idea of wm06 for PSP ( screen calibration specifically ).
rofl.

Yep, I sort of agree... I'm about to work on the next release of XM6, but it basically is just going to be from the excellent Pandora Kitchen and packages, so was starting to question even releasing it (I may do some customizations to things, but really not sure). There are so many slight variations with minimal "custom" changes (other than splash screens) that pretty much any of these can be built by about anyone with minimal work (or thats the way it appears).
Faria and Doubleofour opened the cooking floodgates with their easy to use Kitchens. The Core and Pandora kitchens have just increased the proliferation.
mattk_r's work on providing a "Complete" solution (kitchen, excellent base rom, and tons of oem packages, and even cleaning up MMS and all and giving multiple versions) makes Cooking like a Instant Dinner. Just add the premade ingredients that you want, mix, and bake... Presto, your "perfect" rom just for you...

mfrazzz said:
...so was starting to question even releasing it...
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While the shear quantity of ROM's is, perhaps, unneeded, I for one sure hope you release the next version of XM6! Part of the internet community's ideals is reuse. I surely appreciate mfrazzz's (and the others' he built on!) ROMs.

mfrazzz said:
Yep, I sort of agree... I'm about to work on the next release of XM6, but it basically is just going to be from the excellent Pandora Kitchen and packages
mattk_r's work on providing a "Complete" solution (kitchen, excellent base rom, and tons of oem packages, and even cleaning up MMS and all and giving multiple versions) makes Cooking like a Instant Dinner. Just add the premade ingredients that you want, mix, and bake... Presto, your "perfect" rom just for you...
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Couple of things. First, MFrazz, your Crossbow Reloaded ROM is fricken awesome. What was the reason to change from Faria to Pandora? I'm not asking sarcastically...since I am new to all this I am really curious and I'm wondering if I should drop your previously made Crossbow to go with XM6 (or XM6-Reloaded or whatever you plan to call your next version).
Also, where can I get Mattk_r's "complete" solution with the base ROM and all the OEM packages? I would love to see what I'm capable of doing if I had all the right tools and packages available. I have a little bit of creative talent inside me. Yeah, I guess I could just ask Matt...or he could respond...so whoever knows the answer, that would be cool. Matt posts too much (and is a huge help!) to just do a search on his name.
Thanks!!

I once tried every new rom. But then i stopped flashing - because every rom only have minor changes and some have programs instlled i never use.
I think it was hard work for the first released WM6 ported by faria and mun - which were made very clean by e.g. anichillus (and many more....)
But now - afetr this great kitchens were released - cooking is very simple. So it is not really nessecary to release every new liitle step of a rom.
I stop for it - and started USING my device.
BTW - i have a herald now. But still read some of the wizard forum stuff - but it is getting more and more a "fight" - who got the NEWEST files and the BEST looking - it´s more a pimp contest then a developers forum.
Like other say: Just my 2 cent
lol

Interesting views and opinions. A while back when I first joined the forum, I tested a few roms (Xplore 1.0/1.1, MBE and Love) and quickly jumped onto Faria's/Scooters/Doubleofours kitchens to figure out how to build my own. It became apparent that it needed some "simplicity" and consolidation.
I still like the idea of roms being build and developed by cooks. This way the non-technical users can try them out and give honest feedback, without having to go through the kitchen learning curve. It's hard enough just to keep from bricking your hardware for the newbie.
User feedback can help drive improvements to the base packages and ultamately back to the kitchen - and other builders will benefit as well.
The kitchen I post is a collection of everyone elses work. I simply try to keep it updated with the great improvements that collect amongst all the different threads. I don't take / want credit for what's there - I didn't make it - I just try to make it easier

Ya i would say that there is way to many rom going around that just as too much the same!! I have my own base and i just run off that!!! No need to chnage and chnage from one to another!! I was going to release mine but then i thought that i would not be able to put up with poeple moaning so i have not! It is built how i likw it and that is that!

So Matt, I was looking at the thread in your signature link listed as "kitchen thread" and it looks like it doesn't work for T-mobile, is that correct? (T-mobile is always listed as "coming soon")
So for a guy like me...T-mobile user...heavy interest in business use and e-mail use (so Office and messenging are required...other toys are just fun fluff) what is the best kitchen to use for making my own ROM?
Or do you think of novice newbie like me should just stick with other people's ROMs? (Be honest...if its too hard to do...I'll screw up my phone in a heartbeat)

This is a simple question to answer.
Some people don't have the time to learn to cook a rom, such as me. I just like flashing couple times here and there specific roms that match my preference. Rom cookers are nice to share their stuff with the community and this helps fix current bugs and everyone learns something new with the bugs. I don't mind the experimenting.
You got all the random people complaining about how this rom needs this app or this rom should remove this. With different roms shared, one of the roms should be close to what they need.
Right now, the pandora 3.2 VC version is fitting my needs and experimenting with the different roms, this is the one I like the most.

ExploreMN said:
So Matt, I was looking at the thread in your signature link listed as "kitchen thread" and it looks like it doesn't work for T-mobile, is that correct? (T-mobile is always listed as "coming soon")
So for a guy like me...T-mobile user...heavy interest in business use and e-mail use (so Office and messenging are required...other toys are just fun fluff) what is the best kitchen to use for making my own ROM?
Or do you think of novice newbie like me should just stick with other people's ROMs? (Be honest...if its too hard to do...I'll screw up my phone in a heartbeat)
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I would say to you, ya go for it make your own rom how you like it!!! There is so much help on here that you will always be able to do it!!!
Try faria's kitchen
Packages
8 Button Commanger
I have different packages aswell that i have not shared on here so if you need something let me know!

ExploreMN said:
So Matt, I was looking at the thread in your signature link listed as "kitchen thread" and it looks like it doesn't work for T-mobile, is that correct? (T-mobile is always listed as "coming soon")
So for a guy like me...T-mobile user...heavy interest in business use and e-mail use (so Office and messenging are required...other toys are just fun fluff) what is the best kitchen to use for making my own ROM?
Or do you think of novice newbie like me should just stick with other people's ROMs? (Be honest...if its too hard to do...I'll screw up my phone in a heartbeat)
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the tmobile reference is only for the extended rom. you would have the same result if you cooked your rom and ran the cabs afterwards. I'm adding the tmo ext roms just for those cookers that would like to "automate" the installation of said cabs, but aren't ready to make their own - it's easy but one more learning curve to hurtle.
For example, I cook my combo, click the "enable extended rom" box, and build the rom. Since my extended rom has already been flashed, I don't have to add it every time to the nb2nbf_wizard. When the phone flashes, it goes to the extended rom and runs my WAP cabs. Saves me a couple extra steps, since I flash so damn much.

scotch, Ive been saying the same thing since The kitchens appeared. The real releases should be only Build number changes. Unless the builds change, why cant people just use the kitchen, put in what they want and call it a day

ExploreMN said:
Couple of things. First, MFrazz, your Crossbow Reloaded ROM is fricken awesome. What was the reason to change from Faria to Pandora? I'm not asking sarcastically...since I am new to all this I am really curious and I'm wondering if I should drop your previously made Crossbow to go with XM6 (or XM6-Reloaded or whatever you plan to call your next version).
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Yes, Crossbow Reloaded was based off of the Faria "the real thing" ROM kitchen. I only moved away from that base for XM6 because the Ingenetics rom came out which is a newer base (but didn't have some of the newest updates since it was built when that rom first was released). Personally, the Ingenetics rom seems more stable, quicker, and easier on battery, so I felt it was the next best direction to go (but since the base was different, I renamed it so it wouldn't confuse people as it is different than the Crossbow Reloaded series). If I get time, I may go back and revisit Crossbow Reloaded again (as I liked those roms too). Maybe look at melding the two back together (but they are pretty close already other than the base, and I see the Pandora / Ingenetics rom kitchen helping me do that, thus the direction the next release of XM6.

theres so many new roms because cooking is popular now...People never like the roms that are out so they think they could make a better one they way they like it..so they do..I've done the same thing not to many roms fit my needs..i need something clean but with everything still so i created my own rom and I'm Very happy with it right now so I released I must of made atleast 100 different roms before the release..so if someone sees your rom and it meets there needs thats good for having so many roms..

WizeMan said:
Dude, not all ppl have the patience, the knowledge (to edit files, edit/delete hex strings), and probably neither the courage to flash their own device for uncountable times in order to make something that will suit their needs.
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I think this says it all. With the Pandora kitchen you don't edit files or edit/delete hex strings.
You just select what you need and press the button. It takes no more than 10 minutes to cook a ROM including flashing.
You need close to zero knowledge of computing to do it.

I actually want to cook my own rom but maybe I made it harder than it needs to be. For one thing, are all of the packages available in a thread or do the cookers go hunting for packages? As an example, all the programs I want are included in Crossbow Reloaded, but I don't want all of them (and maybe I want to add a couple more but that's not as important). Now, are all of these packages readily available to add to the ROM?
I was also unclear on why sometimes ROM cookers talked about compressing some components. Like, I remember mfrazz would say that he was removing compression on a couple of htings when the dialpad started disappearing on ROMS.

abasu2003 said:
I actually want to cook my own rom but maybe I made it harder than it needs to be. For one thing, are all of the packages available in a thread or do the cookers go hunting for packages? As an example, all the programs I want are included in Crossbow Reloaded, but I don't want all of them (and maybe I want to add a couple more but that's not as important). Now, are all of these packages readily available to add to the ROM?
I was also unclear on why sometimes ROM cookers talked about compressing some components. Like, I remember mfrazz would say that he was removing compression on a couple of htings when the dialpad started disappearing on ROMS.
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I think what is needed here is for someone (Matt!) to write a simple user guide to using the Pandora kitchen. It is obvious from this thread that many people believe that using the kitchen is far more complicated than it actually is.
Matt and others are the experts here. They have made the kitchen incredibly easy to use but do not appear to have got this fact over to a minority (or is that majority) of users.
A simple user guide avoiding all technical terms is required. Anyone who can flash one of the pre-prepared ROMs has more than enough knowledge to use the kitchen.
Matt- It I didn't say before -Great Kitchen

best wm6 ROM

has anyone out there tried multiple ROMs for WM6? I'm looking to move to something different, i've been having a lot of trouble w/ the faria one that i'm running. Just glitches here and there, looking for something more reliable.
Anybody know what is the closest to the real mccoy release of wm6 that cingular offers?

simbadogg said:
has anyone out there tried multiple ROMs for WM6? I'm looking to move to something different, i've been having a lot of trouble w/ the faria one that i'm running. Just glitches here and there, looking for something more reliable.
Anybody know what is the closest to the real mccoy release of wm6 that cingular offers?
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Cingular doesn't offer WM6 for the Wizard. Your best bet is to just try a few out and see what you like best. Asking which one is the best is very subjective and has been asked about 100 times already with about 1000 different answers.
Good luck!

ok...let me try to rephrase, would u happen to know of any WM6 roms for the wizard that are as close to the wm6 for the 8525 as possible. Without a ton of addons or anything. I want to have something that runs as smooth as possible. Something that is as close to the "stock" 8525 if you will...

you should try wrcx1 (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=322404)

As usual...READ READ READ! And deliberate what fits your needs...

simbadogg said:
has anyone out there tried multiple ROMs for WM6? I'm looking to move to something different, i've been having a lot of trouble w/ the faria one that i'm running. Just glitches here and there, looking for something more reliable.
Anybody know what is the closest to the real mccoy release of wm6 that cingular offers?
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There's tooo many of these non-sense threads.
I can tell you what to use but it's not guaranteed to suit your needs.
You have to take time out to flash & fix to get what you want
You and the other newbies can click here for starters

simbadogg said:
ok...let me try to rephrase, would u happen to know of any WM6 roms for the wizard that are as close to the wm6 for the 8525 as possible. Without a ton of addons or anything. I want to have something that runs as smooth as possible. Something that is as close to the "stock" 8525 if you will...
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If you think "a ton of addons or anything" makes a rom slow, you are mistaken. I think you will find most of the custom roms here faster than stock Wizard (8125) roms and they have lots more functionality. Having addons does not take away from your phone's storage space or memory. Only if you turn on the addons will it take away from your phone memory (but just like it would if you installed it yourself). Remember that the ROM has a dedicated area of around 60MB of space. If you put a 40MB rom in that space, you don't gain the 20MB, its just lost on the Wizard. So personally, I pack my roms to fill that space and give the most options built in for people to use.
But there can be a price with having a packed rom. Some have seen slower boot times and slower access to the \Windows folder when you try to use a file manager. But I've never seen it impact overall phone performance itself.
Just had to point that out, as it seems to be a common misconception that people have.

dwny said:
There's tooo many of these non-sense threads.
I can tell you what to use but it's not guaranteed to suit your needs.
You have to take time out to flash & fix to get what you want
You and the other newbies can click here for starters
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thanks for trying to be a jackass about the whole thing, you're attempt to help is dualy noted...
but to set everything straight, i have searched. Faria is by far the best working ROM that i've used thus far, and i've spent hours searching for ROMs and i'm already on my 5th one. So just because i have a newbie title on this forum doesn't that i dont know how to use forums, because i've been using them for the better part of the last decade. So please dont past judgement like that, it just shows your ignorance not mine.
One a more sunny note, ammarr thank you for that link, i haven't come across that one yet, and this will be my 7th try on a wm6 rom. Who knows maybe my phone is defective, but it runs the cingular wm5 rom just fine. hope i dont have to go back to that....

ammarr thanks for that link, i've added a few things to it like registry editor and such, but i really like the layout of this one. On top of that, its working well...phone not freezing, not dropping signal etc. Thank again.

well here's my 2 cents, if you liked whiterats rom, try bhoydegets "octavio 4" its an improvement and comes in different pagepools, try it for your self, here's the link
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=323485

hey,
how would you say its an improvement? I'd like the touch scrolling and today plugin but dont want to mess up my wcrx1 which is working great. Page pools is not an issue since you can change them over activesync. I'm already running wrcx1 with 8mb pp.

simbadogg said:
thanks for trying to be a jackass about the whole thing, you're attempt to help is dualy noted...
but to set everything straight, i have searched. Faria is by far the best working ROM that i've used thus far, and i've spent hours searching for ROMs and i'm already on my 5th one. So just because i have a newbie title on this forum doesn't that i dont know how to use forums, because i've been using them for the better part of the last decade. So please dont past judgement like that, it just shows your ignorance not mine.
One a more sunny note, ammarr thank you for that link, i haven't come across that one yet, and this will be my 7th try on a wm6 rom. Who knows maybe my phone is defective, but it runs the cingular wm5 rom just fine. hope i dont have to go back to that....
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I'm glad I can be a jackass and of some assistance.
You stated you're on your 5th flash.....there's over 70 Roms out there and new ones coming every week. You've done nothing! Faria's Rom was released about 3.5 months ago or longer. There has been alot of changes since then....but if you did some real research....you'd know this.
If you feel Faria's Rom is the best....stick with it, modify it & make it your own.
P.S: This is a developer's forum...not a user's forum.
It's not my job to police this forum; people are happy to assist with specific questions or issues as they arise.

simbadogg said:
thanks for trying to be a jackass about the whole thing, you're attempt to help is dualy noted...
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1. I agree with dwny. This is a developers forum. This is not a forum for developers to help nubes flash new ROMS. I'm pretty tired of the "If I flash this ROM, will I lose my programs?" questions. I must see that at least a few times in every new ROM announcement thread. Most of the dumb questions come from people who don't contribute anything but "Works great. But can you add [insert freeware software request here] in the next one?"
2. If you're going to be a wise-ass, please spell all of your words correctly and use the correct context. It may not help you be more correct, but it will at least save you the humiliation of not knowing and understanding your native language. The correct phrase is "Duly Noted." And as a sidenote, dualy isn't even an actual word.
-Mc

Head to head comparisons/review of major cooked ROMs - anyone done one?

Hello all,
Having recently upgraded my Hermes to a Kaiser (well actually a AT & T Tilt) and re-flashing it with Schaps 4.30 Rom i have since noticed a sharp decline in performance (compared with my Hermes).
This lead me to look around for something 'better' coming across Duttys cooked ROM and has prompted me to initiate this thread.
Has anyone done a 'review' of the major cooked ROM's out there or even better, put them head to head?

new_ppc_user said:
Hello all,
Having recently upgraded my Hermes to a Kaiser (well actually a AT & T Tilt) and re-flashing it with Schaps 4.30 Rom i have since noticed a sharp decline in performance (compared with my Hermes).
This lead me to look around for something 'better' coming across Duttys cooked ROM and has prompted me to initiate this thread.
Has anyone done a 'review' of the major cooked ROM's out there or even better, put them head to head?
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NOPE. Feel free to be the first.

new_ppc_user said:
Hello all,
Having recently upgraded my Hermes to a Kaiser (well actually a AT & T Tilt) and re-flashing it with Schaps 4.30 Rom i have since noticed a sharp decline in performance (compared with my Hermes).
This lead me to look around for something 'better' coming across Duttys cooked ROM and has prompted me to initiate this thread.
Has anyone done a 'review' of the major cooked ROM's out there or even better, put them head to head?
P1Tater said:
NOPE. Feel free to be the first.
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Be aware that it will be your full-time job as new ROMs come out almost every 2-3 days.

well lets put it this way. im sure many of you have tried several different roms on your devices.
can anyone shed some light our input into the major rom players?

answer this question and you will get it
Do you like apple or orange ?
They are both fruit but you cannot head to head compare them.
Beside that newer rom is likely but not necessarily to be better. Try around with different Rom and radio to get your favorite one. Well, It takes about 15 mins to flash so you can pretty much try all the Rom in here in few days. In the end, if you are not happy , do some extensive research so you can brew your own.
Dutty Rom is popular and pretty suitable to start up.

aberz said:
answer this question and you will get it
Do you like apple or orange ?
They are both fruit but you cannot head to head compare them.
Beside that newer rom is likely but not necessarily to be better. Try around with different Rom and radio to get your favorite one. Well, It takes about 15 mins to flash so you can pretty much try all the Rom in here in few days. In the end, if you are not happy , do some extensive research so you can brew your own.
Dutty Rom is popular and pretty suitable to start up.
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i like both !! so that still doesnt answer my question.
unfortunately, i currently have a pretty hectic schedule so i cant really afford to flash and re-flash my unit all the time. in addition it would take quite a while as i have quite a few additional programs on there.
i am under the impression that Dutty and Schap and the two major players here?
things i need to consider:
- speed of operating system
- ease of use
- stability
- usefull applications

new_ppc_user said:
i like both !! so that still doesnt answer my question.
unfortunately, i currently have a pretty hectic schedule so i cant really afford to flash and re-flash my unit all the time. in addition it would take quite a while as i have quite a few additional programs on there.
i am under the impression that Dutty and Schap and the two major players here?
things i need to consider:
- speed of operating system
- ease of use
- stability
- usefull applications
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Sleuth would also be considered a major player here...
In regards to what you want in a ROM, all signs are pointing to Dutty's except for the useful applications. Just add em yourself though...
His is the fastest ROM I have ever used for any device, including the Hermes...
However, opinions are like assholes....

new_ppc_user said:
i like both !! so that still doesnt answer my question.
unfortunately, i currently have a pretty hectic schedule so i cant really afford to flash and re-flash my unit all the time. in addition it would take quite a while as i have quite a few additional programs on there.
i am under the impression that Dutty and Schap and the two major players here?
things i need to consider:
- speed of operating system
- ease of use
- stability
- usefull applications
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So let me get this straight. You want someone else to do all the work and let you reap the benefits? I see now.
My God man. They cooked the rom. What more do you want? You want me to flash your phone for you? WOW.

P1Tater said:
So let me get this straight. You want someone else to do all the work and let you reap the benefits? I see now.
My God man. They cooked the rom. What more do you want? You want me to flash your phone for you? WOW.
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He's got a pretty hectic schedule unlike us.

oh please give me a break !!!!
the point of this thread is two fold. yes, i want to do as little as possible
however, i would like to ENCOURAGE the discussion of the different ROMs that are available so that WE as users can talk about what we like in the different roms we encouter with their good points and bad points.
and please, dont tell me you dont scour the internet looking for reviews ?

sherpa said:
He's got a pretty hectic schedule unlike us.
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cuz all we do is spoonfeed

new_ppc_user said:
oh please give me a break !!!!
the point of this thread is two fold. yes, i want to do as little as possible
however, i would like to ENCOURAGE the discussion of the different ROMs that are available so that WE as users can talk about what we like in the different roms we encouter with their good points and bad points.
and please, dont tell me you dont scour the internet looking for reviews ?
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No, I dont look for reviews of roms. I flash them and if I dont like them I flash a different one. I have literally tried every single rom (that is in English unlike ATW who even tries foriegn languages) to try and find the one that works best for me. I suggest you do the same and quit asking for someone to do the work for you. The reason I say this is that I can't tell you how many times this same question has been asked. You are definitely not the first nor will you be the last. It seems as though it comes up at least once a week. So, read the first post of the rom, if you dont like what you read or see then move on to the next. Either that or do as most of us do and flash it.

new_ppc_user said:
oh please give me a break !!!!
the point of this thread is two fold. yes, i want to do as little as possible
however, i would like to ENCOURAGE the discussion of the different ROMs that are available so that WE as users can talk about what we like in the different roms we encouter with their good points and bad points.
and please, dont tell me you dont scour the internet looking for reviews ?
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We don't need to scour the internet looking for reviews. We just read the threads in the forum and test ourselves. All the information you will ever need is found in these forums.

P1Tater said:
No, I dont look for reviews of roms. I flash them and if I dont like them I flash a different one. I have literally tried every single rom (that is in English unlike ATW who even tries foriegn languages) to try and find the one that works best for me. I suggest you do the same and quit asking for someone to do the work for you. The reason I say this is that I can't tell you how many times this same question has been asked. You are definitely not the first nor will you be the last. It seems as though it comes up at least once a week. So, read the first post of the rom, if you dont like what you read or see then move on to the next. Either that or do as most of us do and flash it.
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Yup... with this guy... it's very easy to use PIM backup and your storage card to backup your vitals before flashing. Sure it's tedious, but that's how this all works. People will review different ROMS on different criteria and it's up to you to find what makes you happy.

new_ppc_user said:
oh please give me a break !!!!
the point of this thread is two fold. yes, i want to do as little as possible
however, i would like to ENCOURAGE the discussion of the different ROMs that are available so that WE as users can talk about what we like in the different roms we encouter with their good points and bad points.
and please, dont tell me you dont scour the internet looking for reviews ?
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Smart man , you want to pay the least to get the most .
1st fold
You want to do as little as possible, so we have to do more to cover your work ? > Fail
2nd fold
There is no "we" and "as users" , should be " I " " as a lazy leecher"
And there is also no point in promoting ROMs discussion. We can talk all day without coming up with any thing good but potential conflict.
> fail, again
I dont know about your schedule but my is also packed too ( ask a pre-med, senior Bio student) . And most of peeps here also get a thing call "life" . If I can do it , you can too. Flashing a Rom is not rocket science that would take a life time to do.
How about this, consider flashing your piece of device a relaxing activity for your break . I would be less pain and more joy. If you dont find flashing , trying and using Rom fun , why bother asking here.
p/s for the amount of time finish 2 posts , you could have already flashed a cool Rom lol.

I hate to jump on the bandwagon, but I'm afraid the only way to work out the best ROM for you is to test them all. If a ROM is unstable, you'll be able to tell pretty quickly from scanning the thread and what is one man's "useful applications" is another man's "bloatware".
The best analogy I've seen is with cars - to some people the perfect car is a sports car, to others it's a people-carrier, everyone's needs and uses are different. Also, as most of the ROMs are built on the same two or three OS builds, you're comparing the cars with virtually identical engines, so differences will be minor*.
My suggestion is make a list of what you use on your phone, then decide if you want a fast ROM (in which case flash a lite ROM and add the bits you want via cabs) or an easy ROM (in which case flash a ROM that's got the most of the things on your list).
You will never get everyone to agree on the "best" ROM simply because there isn't one that is head and shoulders above the others*, just optimised by and for different chefs.
*No offence intended to the great chefs on this forum! I know how much work you must put into your ROMs and I'm not trying to belittle that, just get the point across.

Also, it doesn't hurt to take the little bit of time that is required to make an SDConfig.txt file for the User Customization that most of the ROMs utilize now. That in and of itself is a huge timesaver. Take advantage of that, and someone else also posted PIM Backup, which can also help aid in moving from one ROM to another.
Use one ROM for a week, see how you like it then move on if you want to. That's more or less what I've done. And I've found what I've liked.

JUst another case of someone wanting to be fed.

Was it Karhu who would do benchmarks of all the ROM's in the Hermes forum? Talk about intensive... but again, strictly numbers, meant as an informative comparison of different things.

I think I got your thoughts...
I wanna a ROM table for comparisons... I can say its very difficult to make
1) ROMs change every day... its a rough job to keep it update
2) ROMs are like taste. You like a XYZ ROM because its faster but a friend may like a BCD ROM because it runs that app faster.
3) There ia a lot of apps within those ROMs that make they different. Comparing works if all ROMs carried the same stuff.
4) There are no tops ROM... there are populars ROM
I'm looking to flash my kaiser too but I allways got confused too with different cooked ROMs.
I suggest you to read all of your interest, ask them for any detailed spec. Install the HardSPL for Godsake and try it.

Uni Lovers, Our Developers ... Please Enter

i'm posting this thread 2 c whose with me in the idea of building the real ultimate rom for our UNIs
i mean WM6.1 with VT, speed, stability, A2DP, new BT stack ... everything
we have some great minds here guys. Tomal, Luca, VNint and Cotulla
if u guys just contact and think together, I'm sure u'll do it
So, i'm thinking of making a new thread where u guys participate ... like (think out loud) in this thread, and not just the four of u, i mean anyone can add his idea.
U can add registry keys where there's a problem to think about, add cabs .... anything
then finally the rom we're all waiting for is cooked
I want to see some response here guys .. and i want to know what our developers think too
Cheers

well... every develper or cooker has his own visions how a rom have to look like... it's not only bout the design... it's also settings and possibilities.
so i don't think it'll happen and i even don't think it shall happen. cuz when i don't like one rom i take another one and give it a try
just my 2 cents...

It may be worth doing as they have on the Athena site, and start with a clean stable base rom witha large flashdisk so people can add there own cab's and software so others can try it
How about this software to enhance mobile shell
regards
jay

and not only does everyone bring their own flavor to it, like i use my uni like a laptop so i hate things like flash disks and want not, and although im in the US and cannot utilize VT i also know that it wasnt working seince 5.0 had a betaish go in 6.0 and something i saw in efn's 6.1 but i know that it will never really be a reality in 6.1
because every cook makes their own thing, my two best working roms was efn's 2.20 and cotulla's 20757

I think the ultimate ROM has already created by Tomal v8.5!!
Time ago this subject was proposed but I think it´s dificult to get all masters together because their times and ocupations.
Anyway good luck

orb3000 said:
I think the ultimate ROM has already created by Tomal v8.5!!
Time ago this subject was proposed but I think it´s dificult to get all masters together because their times and ocupations.
Anyway good idea and good luck
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duly seconded...

Less than 1% of the peoples in the community has interest for VT so it will NEVER be a reality for Uni.
But may be you can bring some brilliant idea in other areas, where most people has interest of it. For instance, "big storage" idea brought by Cotulla.
This is really amazing idea. Somehow he has managed to resize/reformat the DOC (M-Systems chip) area.
I've couple of PM's to consider it. But I'll not work on this unless Cotulla allows others to work on. But here is the principle:
The NK.EXE (of Cotulla's rom) is responsible for resizing the DOC. You can use any ROM once the resizing is done and the storage area will be same (extended) for every rom. But you need to make sure that the rom image you're using is fitting into the allocated area or it will be resulting an unsuccessful (rom) update.
Furthermore, someone can build a tool to do the DOC resizing/repartitioning as Mamaich has build one for BA couple of years back.
cheers

Thanx 4 replying everyone
there's another idea though
how about they don't make the rom together, but just solve the problems together and everyone of them just ontinue building his roms the way he likes
so, we'll get a variety of well cooked roms
like what Tomal said about the storage idea of cotulla. I think we all like it and want it in every rom
they may solve other robelms too, like the speed issues. I really don't like it when my friend's Magician is faster than mine (believe me thats true) in applications an games
and hopefully they will also get the VT working cause its just not fair that we have it and can't use it even if alot of us are not interested
BTW, Tomal, I don't understand what u said about cotulla's storage thing

For mee too Tomal's 8.5 Standard edition is almost perfect. My standard battery pack can withstand for 4 days now(Approx 30 mins GSM calls a day). Stable and fast.

Every developer has his own opinion what is good and what is bad...
If you make a "perfect" ROM. What does that mean? Take four devs and everyone has his own idea for one feature. The "perfect" ROM will be a mixture of four minds. And this one will be crap. Just because it will be the minimal consensus...

Chosen_One said:
Every developer has his own opinion what is good and what is bad...
If you make a "perfect" ROM. What does that mean? Take four devs and everyone has his own idea for one feature. The "perfect" ROM will be a mixture of four minds. And this one will be crap. Just because it will be the minimal consensus...
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I agree.
And every developed ROM some users like, and others don't. Some stick to the previous ROM by a developer, and other users prefer other ROM's... That's what I love about xda-developers is the diversity. I see others enjoying ROM's they like. I'd hate to enforce my likes on others. We all have different needs and uses for our UNI's. I'm sure those that need VT would like to see something developed for them - even if the rest of us disliked the ROM for other reasons.
The ROM I choose is the best for me... it's not necessarily the best ROM (...although I vote it is )
We have speed and stability... Bring on diversity! Let's keep the Uni colourful, let's have the choice! (Where's the button for "freedom of choice!" ).
However with developers that we have/had... Beasty, Leo, VNInt, luca15thebig, Tomal, EFN, FrankZ, No3ulla, rDosti, ThingOnASpring, JWRights, nncuong, PhamQuang, minhantratan... others I forget to mention... I think development continues with no worries. I'm amazed at what ROM I'm looking at on my second-hand Uni!! (considering it's upbringing from WM5, a sub-£100 machine, and no prospect of an upgrade).
nagoo1, what exactly is it you're needing the Uni to do?

i need it to have VT , to respond faster and to have a rom with no issues
and i want it to be smaller (u guys don't deliver this kind of service, do u ?!!!)

VT???
I must have missed it, but what h... is VT? What does it stand for and what does it add to our Universal?

jfcc58 said:
I must have missed it, but what h... is VT? What does it stand for and what does it add to our Universal?
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VT = video telephony ... which isn't available at WM6

13 ?!!!!
just 13 gave thier opinion .. is that all ?
where r our developers?

They are busy cooking ROM`s