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I have wanted to adress a issue that has increased noticeably since I joined XDA-Dev, im not sure if anyone agree with me at all on this
But more and more of the developers here demands "donations" for their work, and that really sadden me. Because more and more ppl will feel that "hey, this guy and that guy actually makes money on their work, why cant I?" and in the end, this forums users will have to "donate" to everyone, and it will slowly suffocate from greed...
I know many use hours after hours, doing really amazing work creating,fixing modding and w/e. And I fully accept that ppl have a donation button in their signature, and that ppl can donate money as mutch as they want.
But when developers write that if you donate, I will continue my work, or if you donate I will provide you with support, or you can download my work if you pay for it, then xda has decreased to a point where I cant support it.
I joined here because I needed help, and I got it, for free. And I decided I want to contribute too, so I started learning, for free, what I now know. And I try my best to help out.
I have had many ppl telling me that they want to donate money for the work I have done making roms, etc (in herald section)
But I dont want any.
And I will make this promise: Im never gonna have a sig with donations, and I will never accept any form of donations for the work I do here. But I will respect that others have a "donation sig", but I will not accept and use stuff developed here that has a "you must donate me"
What make/made this forum great, is that so many have shared for free, amazing work.
Im not sure what the creators of this forums feel about this, or the current admins/moderators feels about this. But if you guys somewhat agree with me, please do something about it.
Im just a user, with my thoughts and views on things, and I dont know if anyone see it the same way as I do, or if this is actually a issue that should be adressed at all.
But maybe its just me and my thoughts that are wrong
cheers
itje said:
I have wanted to adress a issue that has increased noticeably since I joined XDA-Dev, im not sure if anyone agree with me at all on this
But more and more of the developers here demands "donations" for their work, and that really sadden me. Because more and more ppl will feel that "hey, this guy and that guy actually makes money on their work, why cant I?" and in the end, this forums users will have to "donate" to everyone, and it will slowly suffocate from greed...
I know many use hours after hours, doing really amazing work creating,fixing modding and w/e. And I fully accept that ppl have a donation button in their signature, and that ppl can donate money as mutch as they want.
But when developers write that if you donate, I will continue my work, or if you donate I will provide you with support, or you can download my work if you pay for it, then xda has decreased to a point where I cant support it.
I joined here because I needed help, and I got it, for free. And I decided I want to contribute too, so I started learning, for free, what I now know. And I try my best to help out.
I have had many ppl telling me that they want to donate money for the work I have done making roms, etc (in herald section)
But I dont want any.
And I will make this promise: Im never gonna have a sig with donations, and I will never accept any form of donations for the work I do here. But I will respect that others have a "donation sig", but I will not accept and use stuff developed here that has a "you must donate me"
What make/made this forum great, is that so many have shared for free, amazing work.
Im not sure what the creators of this forums feel about this, or the current admins/moderators feels about this. But if you guys somewhat agree with me, please do something about it.
Im just a user, with my thoughts and views on things, and I dont know if anyone see it the same way as I do, or if this is actually a issue that should be adressed at all.
But maybe its just me and my thoughts that are wrong
cheers
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where does anyone demand donations? devs ask yes, this is true in any dev community, if they say you MUST donate then that is wrong and against forum policy, so show me some examples
Midget_1990 said:
where does anyone demand donations? devs ask yes, this is true in any dev community, if they say you MUST donate then that is wrong and against forum policy, so show me some examples
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Allright. I was hoping that I didnt have to, because I dont wanna make anyone a "example" and I dont want to start a flamewar or a fight on who does it or not.
I think I need to say that the "demand" is often not written as a demand, but its usually adressed with please support me, and I will....insert "service provided" here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=336234
Im NOT saying the poster of that thread is "guilty" of anything, and im sure that explanations could be provided and so on, but im adressing something that is increasing, atleast from my point of view. And Im gonna be the first to back down on what I "shed a little light on" if im mistaken in my interpetations.
But I do read alot around on the forum, and I just feel that more and more ppl wants donations for the work they do.
I will quote some general sigs, without saying who have them,and its not copied from anyones sig, but its a general "quote" of many diffrent sigs.
"if you like my work, and want more, donate"
"If you like what I do, buy me a beer"
"support my hard work by donating"
"Accepting any amount in donations"
"Incourage me to continue my work, buy me a beer"
list can go on with diffrent versons.
Im not against a donation system, but I really dont like it when you must donate to download anything, in my interpetation, that is as you say, against xda policy.
Is not developing for free, and so that we all can get more out of our devices encourage enough? If we want to make money on our work, why not start a company and start doing buisness on our own websites, and not use xda-dev to promote work we want to make money on?
sorry if I offend anyone, thats not my intention at all, and as I said, the post i linked to might be a bad example too. And I respect the hard work they do, and actually understand that they wants donations and all. Im really impressed by the work both the owner of the thread I use as example, and others. And that they deserve payment for what they do or not, is not the issue im forwarding here, so please have that in mind when commenting what I try to adress here.
i know this is not the place for this, i dont even know why am i doing this, but i felt the need to say it: as imperfect as it is, with all our noobs, experienced users, rom cooking just for the fun of it, donations (hell, smb was willing to donate even a whole kaiser!!), advices for free, fun all around, helpful persons willing to help just because we share a common passion...
... all these mean so much to me and in my eyes they are a lot more beautiful than the world we see everyday.
dont know exactly why i had to say this, but please go on and keep it as such. also, thanks to all of you for putting your little brick at the foundation of a beautiful building!
as smb was saying in another post, love is in the air... maybe its the spring...
Although it's a bit twee, I have to agree.
The concept of developers & users sharing ideas and code and actually HELPING each other in return for donations to the level you can afford is a fantastic concept - and one that Microsoft would do well to learn from (amongst others).
The end result is everyone is MUCH happier and the product is much better. The only problem is I suspect nobody on here could make a living from it...
I'm feeling all teary eyed now. But you guys & gals are right. Group hug.
Let's all sing together now.
Koom By Ya...... why am I the only one singing?
Sorry....
I was too busy reaching for the kleenex box
hehe... bunch of nerds... really!!... get all hot and flustered at the idea of a new rom or some cab file... it's so sweet...
isn't there a restaurant in London with no prices on the menu but where patrons pay what they believe the meal is worth? Remember hearing about it years ago. Wonder if they still in business.
Yeah there are some talented cooks/programmers on this site. It's a wonderful site for owners of pda's looking for a little doctoring of their phones and I wish xda-developers.com all the best in the future...
Because...
ionutz6 said:
i know this is not the place for this, i dont even know why am i doing this...
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...you fell down and cracked your head ?
Just kidding mate
I cracked my screen last night.... was thinking of having a service for my phone.... bagpipes and everything... let me know if you guys will be coming.
What the hell's the matter with you blundering boobs & sniveling sissies?
This belongs in the Development Forum why?
And you Tater, kumbaya????
Oh...
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What the hell's the matter with you blundering boobs & sniveling sissies?
This belongs in the Development Forum why?
And you Tater, kumbaya????
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...you just hurt my feelings...
I agree
ionutz6 said:
love is in the air... maybe its the spring...
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I am totaly Agree, specialy If you post something, if it is already posted, there is alot of love around...Yeah its the spring
i must say its very touching what u wrote and very true. even though i am new to xda being here has truly been a wonderful experience.
The amount of knowledge is truly monumental.
now on singing kombaya i need some body to give me a beat ...
its not even about money or anything, its about people. just hearing that laurentius spent one whole day (9am - 12pm) to tweak a new rom for us, for you, for anybody, made me think that passion is everything, or anyway a lot more than what people are forced to do for a living.
ive been reading this forum for over 2 years now and remember a lot of things, funny posts, things that, together with the great pieces of software developed, made my day now and then. thank ya all for this!
as you say, this is a silly thread and should under no circumstances stay especially here under the rom development section. kyphur, related to a discussion from laurentius new diamond rom thread, feel free to delete all these.
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i must say its very touching what u wrote and very true. even though i am new to xda being here has truly been a wonderful experience.
The amount of knowledge is truly monumental.
now on singing kombaya i need some body to give me a beat ...
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as most of you probably, i am user on different forums as well. although some amount of flaming is present here as well, it is under no circumstances comparable to things happening on other sites and im grateful to all of you for this.
maybe we should have the national hymn of xdadev, for example Kombaya, somewhere to be downloaded or at least to be visible.
Me too!
Just wanted to add my agreement and appreciation for all that is offered from xda and the people that make it all work. A heart felt "Thank you very much!"
Delete this thread? NEVER...
I'll just move it to someplace more appropriate (but I did leave a perm redirect so it's always hooked to Kaiser Rom Dev)...
True, true... To be honest the only reason I keep buying HTC devices is xda-developers community Although HTC with their support and behavior is trying really hard to persuade me from these decisions on buying new HTC hardware )
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True, true... To be honest the only reason I keep buying HTC devices is xda-developers community Although HTC with their support and behavior is trying really hard to persuade me from these decisions on buying new HTC hardware )
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Agreed, if I were head of marketing for HTC I would pay Dutty (amongst others) to continue cooking roms for our devices.
OMG, sensitive nerds! *turns around and sneaks away*
Just to also add few thoughts on this forum.
This year I bought my first ever PDA, and had to go to considerable trouble to have it delivered here. In a country where the concept of customer support is not yet in existence, and with thousand noob questions, this forum has provided all the help that I needed. So, this forum means a lot to people like me who have no access to official customer support services or other facilities available elsewhere.
My only regret is that as yet, I am unable to more actively contribute to the great community here.
Thanks XDA developers and keep it up.
Ok so here is my idea,
I have noticed a lot of people like to use hosting company like Megaupload and rapidshare, which to I have noticed has it's draw backs on waiting times etc..
So what i propose is to setup an FTP server for all developers on the XDA community such as:
duttythroy
shogunmark
Confused Stu's
ryncppr
sakajati
Laurentius26
(Sorry if I missed anybody out but of course you are included)
Each user would have there own space on the ftp server to upload there rom's/tools they wish to share with the xda-dev community, which they could link directly too there own threads to make it easier for people to download.
Supported by donations I would be happy to keep this server running permanently for everyone to use.
Also if you have any other suggestions I would be happy to hear them.
Let me know what you think as if I get enough positive responses it would be a project I would be happy to pursue.
Thats fine, so long as you:
1. Can get a server in a country which doesn't respect Microsoft's Copyright. I believe XDA had an FTP before which was shut down
2. Have multi-gigabit connectivity. Think just of the Kaiser board and imagine a few hundred people all downloading the latest Dutty or L26 ROM at about 100MB a go. Now multiply that up by all the boards at XDA-D, all the Roms and all the users.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not deliberately pissing on your campfire but there are reasons things are as they are.
TM
Hi
Thanks for your reply, i had already thought of banwidth issues plus the copyright implications from M$, i am currently looking at different hosting company's which may be able to provide me with what i/we require.
Don't worry about pissing on my campfire, i have a nack for working out issues like these.
As a matter of couriosity can you remember why the xda ftp was shut down?
I think as above 'I believe XDA had an FTP before which was shut down'... due to the server having multiple images and files of MS based software.
check this: http://xda-developers.com/modules.php?name=News&file=showarticle&threadid=294142
davcham9 said:
Ok so here is my idea,
I have noticed a lot of people like to use hosting company like Megaupload and rapidshare, which to I have noticed has it's draw backs on waiting times etc..
So what i propose is to setup an FTP server for all developers on the XDA community such as:
duttythroy
shogunmark
Confused Stu's
ryncppr
sakajati
Laurentius26
(Sorry if I missed anybody out but of course you are included)
Each user would have there own space on the ftp server to upload there rom's/tools they wish to share with the xda-dev community, which they could link directly too there own threads to make it easier for people to download.
Supported by donations I would be happy to keep this server running permanently for everyone to use.
Also if you have any other suggestions I would be happy to hear them.
Let me know what you think as if I get enough positive responses it would be a project I would be happy to pursue.
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You clearly haven't been here long enough - those unlikeable rapidshares actually saved the community.
davcham9 said:
Ok so here is my idea...
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The idea is good brother, but its unlikly to happend due legal issues. What you should do is sit down and collect all urls to all rom and compile a nice tread that you can daily update whit links on the diffrent chefs. That will go straight on the stickies (should go that is), woulda done it myself but I am to occupied trying to learn to cook
good idea one source - all of the files
I've created a new high performance hosting site for WinMo and Android custom roms. It is still however in beta but I expect that it will be finalised before the end of June
The servers (Yes I mean that in plural ) that are being used are located in Dublin, Ireland (My hometown) so as to ensure brilliant speeds for both the US and EU. This service is of course free however there are certain rules that must be followed to preserve the integrity of the site. For example, I will not be allowing full scale discussion like here on XDA to make it easier for people to navigate ROMs.
In any case, when you host a ROM on my infrastructure you get both regular HTTP download and bittorrent download as a backup so your ROMs will always be available. No more rapidshare! Devs get unlimited space for their ROMs and those with more than five distinct ROMs get their own subforum to release their ROMs on. Again, I would like to stress that the primary aim of this site will not be ROM development as is XDA or MoDaCo but it's aim is to be sooner or later the comprehensive database for custom ROMs on both Android and Windows Mobile.
In any case, the site's URL is http://www.smartroms.com I hope you do find it useful, if you encounter any bugs or the like please send me a pm and I will look into it
Nice idea. Good luck with it. I'm registering just now!
socktug said:
Nice idea. Good luck with it. I'm registering just now!
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Can you let me know if the registration page redirects you correctly? I noticed a few times that it kept hanging on redirecting during testing but it disappeared after I made a few seemingly irrelevant code changes.
Anyways, give me feedback!
It redirected me fine. The only tiny thing I'd say is that once you register and you are redirected to the login page, instead of your username being pre-filled, it puts your email address in.
Some less 'savvy' people might stumble on that and wonder why they can't log in.
As I say it's no biggy but you know what some users are like
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It redirected me fine. The only tiny thing I'd say is that once you register and you are redirected to the login page, instead of your username being pre-filled, it puts your email address in.
Some less 'savvy' people might stumble on that and wonder why they can't log in.
As I say it's no biggy but you know what some users are like
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That's odd, must have a look at that, thanks for letting me know
No bother. It might be a PHPbb thing. I used to run a PHPbb board many moons ago. They have changed a bit since then. lol
I really like the idea.
Thank you for providing a fast platform
Nece one, will check out soon. Thanks!
Sounds great, Roms with *****ing
Moved as not ROM Dev.
B.t.w already a hosting solution http://www.xdaroms.com/
Appreciate the offer and contribution.
Yup! A central place for finding ROMs should be brilliant.
Mod. edit: not dev related, moved to general
here's your feedback:
mobilitydigest.com/who-else-hates-rapidshare-chefs-take-note/
good work man
Re: ROM chefs who need extra hosting
that could be very good!
thx man
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I've replied to your blog post d0ugie just if you want to verify that it's me that made that post
Thanks for the warm response guys!
Awesome
well i thinks that's great
Server is too busy
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Server is too busy
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that's really bad... for a hosting site
I've been working all night migrating the server to vBulletin instead of the phpbb system it is now. That's why it's slowing down from time to time. I thought it would be safer to work through the night as less people would be accessing the site but I suppose I thought wrong
In any case the site is hosted across multiple servers for performance and redundancy reasons so when the site is finalised there should never be any speed issues.
I am the owner of Cross Industries. I currently run Glacier Host (glacierhosting.com)
Currently, I've seen a lot of developers who have no space to upload their roms. So, to help, I'm offering free hosting to developers who need it. I've got 2 dedicated servers in different locations. If you are interested, feel free to contact me or post below.
This offer is only available to developers, as I am going to allow over 1GB of disk space, and plenty of bandwidth, for them alone.
If you want free hosting for yourself, you can check out Glacier Host for yourself.
**Mods, I own a Captivate and I post this here for those developing Captivate roms. If this is in the wrong section of the captivate forums, please move it, thank you.
Very cool!
Schmarvin said:
I am the owner of Cross Industries. I currently run Glacier Host (glacierhosting.com)
Currently, I've seen a lot of developers who have no space to upload their roms. So, to help, I'm offering free hosting to developers who need it. I've got 2 dedicated servers in different locations. If you are interested, feel free to contact me or post below.
This offer is only available to developers, as I am going to allow over 1GB of disk space, and plenty of bandwidth, for them alone.
If you want free hosting for yourself, you can check out Glacier Host for yourself.
**Mods, I own a Captivate and I post this here for those developing Captivate roms. If this is in the wrong section of the captivate forums, please move it, thank you.
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To share the load I am very happy to offer the same or a mirror....
Apparently with all the rom mirrors dropping, its assumed people just don't want to continue development. :/
I've seen 3 rom devs drop off the radar because they don't have hosting.
Schmarvin said:
Apparently with all the rom mirrors dropping, its assumed people just don't want to continue development. :/
I've seen 3 rom devs drop off the radar because they don't have hosting.
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They don't seem to ask for it either...
And I'm not sure why? I'm not asking for any money. Hell, I'm not even really asking for anything in return. I like seeing new roms developed.
I am pretty sure hosting was not the only reason for dropping off, but I really admire you doing this for the community.
I have two mirrors, but I can always use an extra. (just kidding, I think I am good)
Meh, I'm just here to help. I know I'm not a developer or anywhere near that level to be able to help. But, at least I'm doing something.