Hi, I hope not to upset anyone by starting a new thread, but could not find this question asked elsewhere yet.
Now that Nokia and Intel have linked up to back Meego, this should have the potential to be a major OS for smart phones in the next couple of years - after all, Symbian has the biggest OS share, with 45% of the high end 'phone market, far above the iPhone or WMx. And it is also backed by an impressive list of other 'phone makers.
Is there any appetite within XDAdevelopers to port this OS to HTC products? Can it run on HTC 'phones (I guess so, since I understand it has a Linux kernel)?
Is there much involved in developing current apps to run on Meego? Can this be automated?
Would appreciate some thoughtful feedback to this question, since apps developers are missing a major market by either writing separately for Meego, or not at all.
By the way, I am very interested in a XD-meego version
Meego Handset have been released some weeks ago
http://meego.com/community/blogs/valhalla/2010/meego-handset-project-day-1-here
I think there is a way to adapt a bootloader like haret to boot a Meego image.
There is already a aava image released officialy and a (ARM) Nokia N900 image
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I have not returned kaiser in the hope of being able to install Google's Android OS on kaiser. Hardware is great, but software/drivers suck.
It should be fairly easy because its open source and the first phone that HTC is bringing out is supposed to have the same processor.
Your thoughts?
I'm hoping that becomes a reality. Open source development would open up the floodgates! Imagine TouchFLO with an OpenGL 3D environment.... can't wait to see what happens here.
jerich007 said:
I'm hoping that becomes a reality. Open source development would open up the floodgates! Imagine TouchFLO with an OpenGL 3D environment.... can't wait to see what happens here.
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You don't know much about OpenGL and linux do you
Next you'll be wanting to run Beryl on a pocket pc
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You don't know much about OpenGL and linux do you
Next you'll be wanting to run Beryl on a pocket pc
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hahahahah, nice...or better yet, how about we get the kaiser to run the iPhone OS? after that maybe Santa Claus will show up...
Doug2873 said:
hahahahah, nice...or better yet, how about we get the kaiser to run the iPhone OS? after that maybe Santa Claus will show up...
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Well Leopard does run on my PC now *Cough*
If Android is open source, I don't see why someone with compiler knowledge couldn't make it run on any ARM based handheld...
Because booting an OS kernel requires extensive access to hardware specifications, wich is not what Androïd is about at all.
The Android SDK is now available. They have also announced that they're giving away $10 million to developers that build apps for the platform. More info here:
http://www.openhandsetalliance.com/developers.html
There's also a video of Android up on YouTube now:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FJHYqE0RDg
For an early prototype this looks amazing.
now that the SDK is out, I will probably end up eating my own words in the next few months, assuming people on here get the appropriate hardware drivers for the kaiser from HTC.
Terrific
This Andoid is a very killer OS, a lot better than the crappy WM-X, Please HTC port it to Kaiser, if not, we can create a community for build a distribution based on android for the Kaiser.
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Taguapire
I would too like to see this new Android OS be brought to the Kaiser. If I understand correctly, they are providing all assets to the public with the SDK.
Yes your right
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You don't know much about OpenGL and linux do you
Next you'll be wanting to run Beryl on a pocket pc
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I would love to have beryl on pocket pc. I've been waiting for years since I first saw beryl on youtube. The closest thing we have is the HTC Cube. Can't wait .
Theres talk of this all over xda-developers.
One guy is calling people to work on it here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=344076&highlight=android
And here's another thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=343730&highlight=android
I sure would like to see this happen. Since HTC is a partner in the open handset alliance I could see them releasing drivers for it. ... maybe...
Problem is - OS source or not, the hardware specs for many of the ICs in the Kaiser (esp. the Qualcomm MSM) are not publically available, which means that it isn't possible to write a driver for them.
This is why, for example, the Linux ports to previous HTC devices are (relatively) crippled - drivers for parts of the hardware can't be written because the hardware specs are not available.
Ah. That makes a lot of sense. Thanks for shedding some light on this issue, Entropy512.
cant see why you can't just take the msm7200 chipset specs off of the qualcomm site and build something. I mean it has generic arm processors and the other information should be able to gleaned from the windows app itself(radios,etc..)
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Nope Compiz....... Hehe
In fact the radio processor (ARM9) already runs a linux like rtos: L4 micro kernel and Iguana embedded OS. See here and here.
I think the chances might be relatively good:
1. HTC has announced they are building android based phones.
2. For the next year or so, chances are that available phone hardware is gonna be pretty much the same as what is available today (give or take).
So it follows that there are good chances that HTC will do most of the work for us. They introduce a new P4551 running Android, you guys do your ROM ripping magic, and take all the various drivers and introduce it into a generic Android ROM. Voila! Android on the Kaiser.
That said, who says Android hardware support on HTC devices is going to be any better than hardware support for WM6? HTC has already proved you can release a phone for a mature platform, with plenty of history, using almost no hardware acceleration for anything. Who says Android phones from HTC will be any better in that respect?
Cool OS
This is a very cool OS. I'm sure some of our great coders around XDA DEVELOPERS can come up with all kinds of ways to use this on many different phones. If they get the money more power to them. They deserve it. At least in my nubee opinion!
I know Google's Android isn't one of the most popular things around here, but it caught my eye and I'm just wondering about the possibilities (like fixing the driver issue)
As far as i know it will run on all ARM11 PDAs like the Polaris, and I'm hoping that it will be available for the Polaris aswell.
I'd like to read your oppinions on this, and ofcourse the possibility on an XDA-DEV version...
I dont think it will run on older devices like Polaris. Maybe I am just too sceptic, but I think there wont be any official upgrade.
Android is able to run on a [SIZE=-1]Sharp Zaurus SL-C760, which has a [/SIZE][FONT=Arial,Helvetica]PXA255 400Mhz XScale processor. The device was released in 2003.
The planned release of Android is in the second half of 2008, and both Qualcomm and HTC are members of the Open Handset Alliance which backs Android.
And I don't think that the Polaris is an old device... the Hermes is, but the Polaris
But you have a point whith the official stuff
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What OS do you prefer: Android 2 or Win Phone 7
how will we know? no-one got ttheir hands on either yet?
its a completely subjective and pointless questin (IMHO)
google is the wolf in sheeps clothing. they call MS the bad guy while they own the world's info.
I'll take a windows HTC phone since this community will support it way better
Considering no one has WM7 how do you expect to get a decent tally from the poll at this point?
With that being said - IF the older windows mobile software will run on WM7, then I will stick with windows mobile simply because there are more apps avail.
WP7S looks much sexier than Android.
imagine if possible, what you chose?
The Android 2.x has multitasking (rather than The Android 1.x which has no multitasking)
In contrast, the Windows Phone 7 has no multitasking (while the older Windows Mobile/Phone has multitasking, including the oldest Pocket PC)..
And I REALLY NEED MULTITASKING, so I choose the Android
web 2.0 crap
i hate social networks...
stay on windows phone classic
hmm update:
android gets me
still hatin social networks....
currently the chances to be able to move any current htc device to wm7 are much much smaller then moving them to android 2
wm7 is not a follow up for wm6.X it's a different branch's which don't run wm6.x programs and require hardware other wm6.X devices don't have
so chances are if you really really like wm7 you need to get a new device
and hope that many developers head in that direction rather then android, iphone or nokia n900
because old pocketpc apps don't work
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currently the chances to be able to move any current htc device to wm7 are much much smaller then moving them to android 2
wm7 is not a follow up for wm6.X it's a different branch's which don't run wm6.x programs and require hardware other wm6.X devices don't have
so chances are if you really really like wm7 you need to get a new device
and hope that many developers head in that direction rather then android, iphone or nokia n900
because old pocketpc apps don't work
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Windows Embedded CE 6.0 features a completely redesigned kernel, which supports over 32,768 processes, up from 32 process support of the previous versions. Each process receives 2GB of virtual address space, up from 32MB.
well, seems like the only choice we've left is android.
& wm 6.xx is terrible.
Judging from what i saw at MWC 2010 i'll personally stick
to winmo "classic", that's what they are calling WM6.X now.
WM 7 looked very lame and boring to me. Look like it's
bound to be a major setback for MS and a significant
growth in the Android arena. A change to radical.
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The Android 2.x has multitasking (rather than The Android 1.x which has no multitasking)
In contrast, the Windows Phone 7 has no multitasking (while the older Windows Mobile/Phone has multitasking, including the oldest Pocket PC)..
And I REALLY NEED MULTITASKING, so I choose the Android
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1.6 DOES multitasking.
Anyway, Android is better than WM in many aspects..
From Touch Pro to HTC Hero. Too bad it has the same qualcomm crappy procesor, but it's faster than WM and way more handy (notification bar simply rocks).
And about WM7.. I don't like it. A total downgrade.. IMO. RIP WM
So yes, i vote for Android 2
RIP Windows Mobile... I originally got you because you were so hackable and customizable, but this new version just sounds like an iPhone clone two years too late....
Android is definitely going to be where it's at for the phone hacker community (it seems...)
i will not be surprised if someone in XDA-DEV managed to cook a rom for touch pro that will support windows mobile 7..even now,with their help,we are able to boot our touch pro with android OS..just wait and see..
Does anyone know if any of the big manufatcurers is planning to release some new devices with Windows Mobile?
I really would like a phone with a 1Ghz CPU and hardware keyboard (and all the other basic features of modern smart phones) but i cant get warm with Android and Windows Phone is totally useless for me.
I don't think so. WM 6.5 is the older version of WP7 so it would be weird to release new phones with an old OS.
You should jump into Android. It's definitely better than WM that I've used for years but I would never come back to that OS.
WM is not the older version of WP, WP is something new. They have nothing in common.
I know, thanks. Let's not split hairs on words.
This is Microsoft new mobile OS if you prefer so this is really unlikely that manufacturers would release new devices with MS old OS. MS themselves have buried that OS and have designed a totally different OS as WM didn't fit anymore with new devices. Not finger-friendly etc.
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Does anyone know if any of the big manufatcurers is planning to release some new devices with Windows Mobile?
I really would like a phone with a 1Ghz CPU and hardware keyboard (and all the other basic features of modern smart phones) but i cant get warm with Android and Windows Phone is totally useless for me.
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As far as I know, there are no plans on creating any new Windows Mobile devices. But, you never know. I believe these (http://developer.android.com/index.html; http://www.htc.com/www/product/hdmini/overview.html) are the latest and probably the last new WM phones from major manufacturers.
Hello I'm new to this whole android thing and the forum so im sorry if i posted in the wrong area. Anyways i have a Sony Ericsson vivaz (pile of sh*t) which runs the Symbian ^1 (s60 v5) and i was wondering how to replace it with the android os. (don't need to be the latest version) I have read somewhere before the vivaz specs are similar to some android phone (x8 i think). Any help would be amazing as i still got over a year with this cr*p phone.
There's no way to replace symbian with android on the Vivaz. Sorry to break the bad news to you
not even with an earliest version of the android os?
anyway to replace or maybe upgrade the existing symbian os on the vivaz?
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anyway to replace or maybe upgrade the existing symbian os on the vivaz?
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Not unless Sony decides to push out an update. I've owned three Nokia S60 handsets and one of my big complaints was that, aside from occasional bug fixes, S60 devices are stuck with the OS version they shipped with.
what a joke. as far as i am aware the symbian os is open source so surely someone could find a way to update the vivaz os
Symbian was open source (Nokia recently closed it again) but it's just the kernel and framework. All the apps that make up the ROM are definitely not open. Combine that with locked bootloaders and that's why Symbian hacking communities have never materialized.
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I ain't got a clue to be honest but i know you can still download symbian sdks (however at at 200mb at least doesn't look very appealing). I cant wait for my contract to finish so i can get rid of this pile of sh*t they call VIVAZ!! Never buying a Sony Ericsson again that's for sure