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Do you think there will be WM5 for the Magician?

So, what do you think?
(I hope this is not considered a rant)

We're actually just waiting on the Buzz/Raptor news. We'll all kno the answer soon enough I guess.

I agree, if the news is coming from Buzz, I have no doubt whether the ROM exists or not.

well if it's not going to come available, i'm not going to sit and cry about it. I'm still very happy with it as it is :-D
I love my Magician !

well if it's not going to come available, i'm not going to sit and cry about it. I'm still very happy with it as it is :-D
I love my Magician !

tjempeng said:
well if it's not going to come available, i'm not going to sit and cry about it. I'm still very happy with it as it is :-D
I love my Magician !
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Me too.

What will change with wm2005? There are tons of wm2003 applications for our devices to keep us satisfied for long long time. I am not saying that I am not interested in getting a working rom for magician, but if this doesn't happen in the right way (official upgrade) we will have many problems and no support at all. So apart from satisfying our curiosity what is our gain?
I must admit that I am rather curious mind, so I'll probably be one of the first to try to put the wm2005 rom in my magician, but I am not expecting much and I am sure after some day coping with the problems I and many others would like to switch back to the good old wm2003.
Anyway I wish good luck to Buzz and all the other guys invloved in this "adventurous" project.

If there weren't any improvements Microsoft wouldn't have released it in the first place. It's a bit like asking what's the difference between Win98 and Win XP. Just when it came out everyone was like "Nah ... I'll stick to Win98" etc. When people start using it on a daily basis they wouldn't do without.
Having said that, I'm looking forward to:
1) Permament Storage
2) Better synchronisation with Outlook (inc. Contact Pictures)
3) Improved one-hand operation
4) Improved PIM
and the list goes on and on.
I sure can live with WM2003SE, but a stable WM5 is definitely my preferred option.

kta said:
If there weren't any improvements Microsoft wouldn't have released it in the first place. It's a bit like asking what's the difference between Win98 and Win XP. Just when it came out everyone was like "Nah ... I'll stick to Win98" etc. When people start using it on a daily basis they wouldn't do without.
Having said that, I'm looking forward to:
1) Permament Storage
2) Better synchronisation with Outlook (inc. Contact Pictures)
3) Improved one-hand operation
4) Improved PIM
and the list goes on and on.
I sure can live with WM2003SE, but a stable WM5 is definitely my preferred option.
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I am not talking about an official version but for a leaked one. The official of course should be better and have more benefits! That's undoubtable!
And if you are wondering for the difference about win98 and XP, try installing and living with XP on a Pentium 166. Simply you can't because p166 was not designed to be able to handle winXP.

I own a computer shop and people where asking for Windows 98 on a Pentium 4 - 1.4GHz with 256 or 512MB RAM!
Regarding WM5, agreed, I'm only talking about a stable version (whether it's official or not). Mind you, the WM5 we're all waiting for IS MEANT to run on the Magician as it was specifically built for it. Otherwise it wouldn't work in the first place.
And according to Microsoft, the Magician meets the WM5 minimum requirements, mainly being an Xscale compatible CPU, 64MB RAM and 64MB ROM.

http://www.howardforums.com/showthread.php?t=726702
Check out the O2 XDA Atom...
1. The O2 XDA Atom will have the same processor (or type) as the HTC Magician.
2. The O2 XDA Atom will have Windows Mobile 5.0 (along with other nice things like a long-awaited FM tuner)
3. HTC could have made a Windows Mobile 5.0 build for the Magician and given it some more life, but new devices is the main reason they didn't. More profit here.
4. You guys will be all over this like a free porn DVD giveaway, and get this ROM ported over to the Magician in total defiance of HTC's abandonment stance.
5. Some of you will buy it anyway.
UPDATE: The Atom is not designed by HTC, so chances of ROM portability to the Magician just got a lot slimmer.

That Atom looks very very nice. I would almost be tempted to bankrupt myself if it weren't for the fact that the price tag is, praise the Lord, far too high for me to even consider it.

'praise the Lord' :?:

Google Android on Kaiser?

I have not returned kaiser in the hope of being able to install Google's Android OS on kaiser. Hardware is great, but software/drivers suck.
It should be fairly easy because its open source and the first phone that HTC is bringing out is supposed to have the same processor.
Your thoughts?

I'm hoping that becomes a reality. Open source development would open up the floodgates! Imagine TouchFLO with an OpenGL 3D environment.... can't wait to see what happens here.

jerich007 said:
I'm hoping that becomes a reality. Open source development would open up the floodgates! Imagine TouchFLO with an OpenGL 3D environment.... can't wait to see what happens here.
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You don't know much about OpenGL and linux do you
Next you'll be wanting to run Beryl on a pocket pc

Subliminal Aura said:
You don't know much about OpenGL and linux do you
Next you'll be wanting to run Beryl on a pocket pc
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hahahahah, nice...or better yet, how about we get the kaiser to run the iPhone OS? after that maybe Santa Claus will show up...

Doug2873 said:
hahahahah, nice...or better yet, how about we get the kaiser to run the iPhone OS? after that maybe Santa Claus will show up...
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Well Leopard does run on my PC now *Cough*

If Android is open source, I don't see why someone with compiler knowledge couldn't make it run on any ARM based handheld...

Because booting an OS kernel requires extensive access to hardware specifications, wich is not what Androïd is about at all.

The Android SDK is now available. They have also announced that they're giving away $10 million to developers that build apps for the platform. More info here:
http://www.openhandsetalliance.com/developers.html
There's also a video of Android up on YouTube now:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FJHYqE0RDg
For an early prototype this looks amazing.

now that the SDK is out, I will probably end up eating my own words in the next few months, assuming people on here get the appropriate hardware drivers for the kaiser from HTC.

Terrific
This Andoid is a very killer OS, a lot better than the crappy WM-X, Please HTC port it to Kaiser, if not, we can create a community for build a distribution based on android for the Kaiser.
Regards,
Taguapire

I would too like to see this new Android OS be brought to the Kaiser. If I understand correctly, they are providing all assets to the public with the SDK.

Yes your right
Subliminal Aura said:
You don't know much about OpenGL and linux do you
Next you'll be wanting to run Beryl on a pocket pc
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I would love to have beryl on pocket pc. I've been waiting for years since I first saw beryl on youtube. The closest thing we have is the HTC Cube. Can't wait .

Theres talk of this all over xda-developers.
One guy is calling people to work on it here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=344076&highlight=android
And here's another thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=343730&highlight=android
I sure would like to see this happen. Since HTC is a partner in the open handset alliance I could see them releasing drivers for it. ... maybe...

Problem is - OS source or not, the hardware specs for many of the ICs in the Kaiser (esp. the Qualcomm MSM) are not publically available, which means that it isn't possible to write a driver for them.
This is why, for example, the Linux ports to previous HTC devices are (relatively) crippled - drivers for parts of the hardware can't be written because the hardware specs are not available.

Ah. That makes a lot of sense. Thanks for shedding some light on this issue, Entropy512.

cant see why you can't just take the msm7200 chipset specs off of the qualcomm site and build something. I mean it has generic arm processors and the other information should be able to gleaned from the windows app itself(radios,etc..)

Subliminal Aura said:
You don't know much about OpenGL and linux do you
Next you'll be wanting to run Beryl on a pocket pc
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Nope Compiz....... Hehe

In fact the radio processor (ARM9) already runs a linux like rtos: L4 micro kernel and Iguana embedded OS. See here and here.

I think the chances might be relatively good:
1. HTC has announced they are building android based phones.
2. For the next year or so, chances are that available phone hardware is gonna be pretty much the same as what is available today (give or take).
So it follows that there are good chances that HTC will do most of the work for us. They introduce a new P4551 running Android, you guys do your ROM ripping magic, and take all the various drivers and introduce it into a generic Android ROM. Voila! Android on the Kaiser.
That said, who says Android hardware support on HTC devices is going to be any better than hardware support for WM6? HTC has already proved you can release a phone for a mature platform, with plenty of history, using almost no hardware acceleration for anything. Who says Android phones from HTC will be any better in that respect?

Cool OS
This is a very cool OS. I'm sure some of our great coders around XDA DEVELOPERS can come up with all kinds of ways to use this on many different phones. If they get the money more power to them. They deserve it. At least in my nubee opinion!

HTC giving up on Windows Mobile ?

As some of you know, there's a petition for hardware acceleration support for the new Qualcomm MSM7X00, but so far there's no official response to that.
Unfortunately, i don't think HTC will ever solve this. It's obviously they are concentrating on Android, and not on Windows Mobile... I'm not sure this is good news or bad news, but for now it's bad news...
I noticed they didn't release any new ROM for the Elf (HTC Touch) either, and that was the anti-iPhone, so here's a question for you all: did they release any ROM update in the last year or so for any device? I mean apart from the shipped ROM, and i don't mean patches, i mean FULL ROMs... Also ignore the updates to WM6 for a few of their devices.
I think they stick to Windows Mobile just because they have to have an OS on their phones, but they are going for Android as soon as possible, and focusing thier efforts on Android only.

htc make hardware which is filled with software
what software dont mean much
intel start making cpu's for mac's that dident seem to indicate that they would turn their back on the ms pc world

Rudegar said:
intel start making cpu's for mac's that dident seem to indicate that they would turn their back on the ms pc world
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It was Apple that chose Intel's CPU not the other way around. (And the reason was IBM's problems delivering enough volumes of PowerPC chips and the perceived lack of progress in improving the architecture. I bet Jobs was crying at IBM's announcement of the 5 GHz POWER6...)

If it's bad news, it's certainly bad news for microsoft.

battle between good and bad news
my impression: for years ms has been eating the bigger half of the cakes. the reason is imminent, there were no one else to eat the other share. likewise, have we not been dependent on ms sometimes both in the pc and pda world. of course there were good competitions to choose from. but just think, who has not been dependent on ms no matter how much cons they made on softwares they rendered for devices we couldn't live without.
i m not for ms or any other vendor. but i m for any vendor that provides softwares or devices that will lessen the problems or cons that may impart in such new devices as HTC OS software in the future. so whether its intel or ibm in the bigger market vending their processors into these device or its ms or apples that provides portable user interface into any devices, i m for improvement.
bottom line: its all good news if you can live with any integrated OS that will ultimately improve the way you can use your device flawlessly. so for ms: they better start working harder or else i m for apple or android into the next device i m gonna purchase.
ps: help the petition. its about time HTC learnt we just dont buy their devices for its sleek and slim nature. but for the true nature of accesibility for audio and video rendering that shouldnt be hidden away despite heavy profit on sales for HTC

Meego OS

Hi, I hope not to upset anyone by starting a new thread, but could not find this question asked elsewhere yet.
Now that Nokia and Intel have linked up to back Meego, this should have the potential to be a major OS for smart phones in the next couple of years - after all, Symbian has the biggest OS share, with 45% of the high end 'phone market, far above the iPhone or WMx. And it is also backed by an impressive list of other 'phone makers.
Is there any appetite within XDAdevelopers to port this OS to HTC products? Can it run on HTC 'phones (I guess so, since I understand it has a Linux kernel)?
Is there much involved in developing current apps to run on Meego? Can this be automated?
Would appreciate some thoughtful feedback to this question, since apps developers are missing a major market by either writing separately for Meego, or not at all.

By the way, I am very interested in a XD-meego version
Meego Handset have been released some weeks ago
http://meego.com/community/blogs/valhalla/2010/meego-handset-project-day-1-here
I think there is a way to adapt a bootloader like haret to boot a Meego image.
There is already a aava image released officialy and a (ARM) Nokia N900 image

Will there be any new devices with Windows Mobile?

Does anyone know if any of the big manufatcurers is planning to release some new devices with Windows Mobile?
I really would like a phone with a 1Ghz CPU and hardware keyboard (and all the other basic features of modern smart phones) but i cant get warm with Android and Windows Phone is totally useless for me.

I don't think so. WM 6.5 is the older version of WP7 so it would be weird to release new phones with an old OS.
You should jump into Android. It's definitely better than WM that I've used for years but I would never come back to that OS.

WM is not the older version of WP, WP is something new. They have nothing in common.

I know, thanks. Let's not split hairs on words.
This is Microsoft new mobile OS if you prefer so this is really unlikely that manufacturers would release new devices with MS old OS. MS themselves have buried that OS and have designed a totally different OS as WM didn't fit anymore with new devices. Not finger-friendly etc.

nurps said:
Does anyone know if any of the big manufatcurers is planning to release some new devices with Windows Mobile?
I really would like a phone with a 1Ghz CPU and hardware keyboard (and all the other basic features of modern smart phones) but i cant get warm with Android and Windows Phone is totally useless for me.
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As far as I know, there are no plans on creating any new Windows Mobile devices. But, you never know. I believe these (http://developer.android.com/index.html; http://www.htc.com/www/product/hdmini/overview.html) are the latest and probably the last new WM phones from major manufacturers.