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so one thing ive noticed is this app missing in all the new roms any ideas
No one will be completely happy with what they have...
Dude, its a 2.1 ROM for a device thats supposed to only be working with 1.5 for now. Just be glad we have it working close to 100%.
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No one will be completely happy with what they have...
Dude, its a 2.1 ROM for a device thats supposed to only be working with 1.5 for now. Just be glad we have it working close to 100%.
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it was simple question no need to be a freaking jerk
Then no. Simple answer.
nbroneobi said:
so one thing ive noticed is this app missing in all the new roms any ideas
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Is there some reason you don't just install whatever you think is missing?
it was a simple question that's all no need to get your panty's in a bunch you must be one of the people who want's everything for free and won't donate you must like obama to lol. i was just curios as to why it was missin thats all if it's not out it's not out no biggie
you should just install it if you think it is missing, and while you are at it make a new rom for the rest of us
i've looked around and can't find the apk anywhere
nbroneobi said:
it was a simple question that's all no need to get your panty's in a bunch you must be one of the people who want's everything for free and won't donate you must like obama to lol. i was just curios as to why it was missin thats all if it's not out it's not out no biggie
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What does (not) donating and liking Obama have to do with a ROM? Here is what I did. I took the base ROM, took out what I don't use, put in what I did use, and re-signed it to make my own custom ROM. The instructions are on this very forum. I suggest you try it.
I am not sure why this is not included in any of the 2.1 Roms it was in the leaked desire Rom that modaco ported to the nexus one.
I have already tried installing this to the Eris 2.1 and to the new Fresh 2.1 and it just FC's upon being started.
I am looking into why it does that but as of right now I have no idea.
I could be wrong on this but I am pretty sure that friendstream is part of the updated Sense that HTC is working on not an Android app. So this won't be out until we can get the new Sense working which I don't think anyone has had any luck with.
oops, wrong thread.
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I could be wrong on this but I am pretty sure that friendstream is part of the updated Sense that HTC is working on not an Android app. So this won't be out until we can get the new Sense working which I don't think anyone has had any luck with.
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We have a version of the new sense already. Modaco ported the Desire Rom to the Nexus one that has working FriendStream and NewsReader
I am not sure what is causing them not to work as of yet.
my guess is that this is the reason why the "get more HTC widgets" thing doesn't work. maybe the friendstream and news widgets can be downloaded once they get the support for verizon customers ready.
I would love to see the HTC sense UI for cyanogenmod5. I'm a big fan of the clock widget off KiNgxKxKlair DroidEris2G1. Could this work?
No it can't not.
jobrv610 said:
I would love to see the HTC sense UI for cyanogenmod5. I'm a big fan of the clock widget off KiNgxKxKlair DroidEris2G1. Could this work?
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Try Beautiful Widgets, and no the Sense UI and Cy mod are not capable together. Maybe the kernel will sometime but not the actual rom. BTW major off with the section try Q&A next time before you get flamed hard.
possible Yes the other way around
you can have an htc rom and "some stuff from Cyanogenmod like video cam possibly BT
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you can have an htc rom and "some stuff from Cyanogenmod like video cam possibly BT
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If that worked, don't you think we'd already have done it?
thanks for the reply's so fast.
jobrv610 said:
wow we have a tuff guy on the forums here. But thanks for the reply's so fast from the other adults.
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This is development. You had an extremely simple question that could've been answered in cm's thread, or better yet in Q&A if you insist that your question is important enough to warrant it's own thread. Respect gets respect, even on the internet.
Proto is right, if this was possible somebody would've already done it ten times.
ugh 12 post noob. damn. no this isnt possible.
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If that worked, don't you think we'd already have done it?
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No because it's so much easier to port a whole ROM over than it is to do a hybrid. Theoretically, it would be possible to take the frameworks of Sense and apply them to the source.
Besides, your analogy seems kind of flawed. It's like saying a few days ago, "If it was possible to get full 3D and Video Acceleration on 2.1 we would've already done it." And all it took was one very dedicated and intelligent coder named Cyanogen doing it.
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No because it's so much easier to port a whole ROM over than it is to do a hybrid. Theoretically, it would be possible to take the frameworks of Sense and apply them to the source.
Besides, your analogy seems kind of flawed. It's like saying a few days ago, "If it was possible to get full 3D and Video Acceleration on 2.1 we would've already done it." And all it took was one very dedicated and intelligent coder named Cyanogen doing it.
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agreed. probably possible.. but whats the use?
Even if it was possible we have to remember it has been out for two days and is an experimental rom. NOBODY wants to work for a few hours for a couple days only to have a new, more stable rom come out that could potentially break the work they just finished. They would rather have a rom that is "stable" and won't be replaced within days (Meaning yes, a long-term rom that won't be updated for 2+ weeks).
domenukk said:
agreed. probably possible.. but whats the use?
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What's the use? To get the best rom possible No?
sunsean said:
What's the use? To get the best rom possible No?
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By the time that happens we will have all discarded our G1's. Do remember people do this as a hobby not for a job, that's for actual devs that do it for a job.
Here are some sense similar apps:
-Weather wid donate
-Hero Settings widgets
-Pandahero
-GDE+Hero theme
-Pure widget series(Cal,music,etc) by Koxx
HTC evo can run (out of the box) stock android w/ nexus launcher and all.
http://htcdev.net/topic/11584-sprint-evo-4g-working-without-sense-ui/
I don't know if this has been posted before, since I'm in a rush to prom I havent been able to check. anyways, htc has done another thing right. yay! haha
1. There is already a topic about this.
2. There is NO WAY to run the phone without Sense UI without installing a custom ROM. Sense UI is highly integrated into the OS. The video that you see is the EVO running launcher2.apk instead of Rosie.apk (the Sense home app). This is nothing new or exciting, so I wish people would stop making damn topics about it.
Hey man, you gotta understand i didnt search and couldnt search. Also, i know you cant completely replace sense ui on a stock rom but some people like the launcher2.apk better. So sorry for double posting bud
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Sense FTW. Me no likey regular android homescreen . Ah well. If you wanna fly MiGs.. You fly MiG Alley. If you want HTC sexiness, you gotta get Sense
Sense FTW. Me no likey regular android homescreen . Ah well. If you wanna fly MiGs.. You fly MiG Alley. If you want HTC sexiness, you gotta get Sense
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I always used to hate sense, but then after looking very close at this phone, I have to admit i love it now! Just getting more and more psyched for this phone every time i see it. I think if everyone took their time to look in to sense ui, they would end up liking it a lot like myself.
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I always used to hate sense, but then after looking very close at this phone, I have to admit i love it now! Just getting more and more psyched for this phone every time i see it. I think if everyone took their time to look in to sense ui, they would end up liking it a lot like myself.
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For many this is true. For others, I suspect there are multiple motivations for wanting a pure android. I suspect most fall into one or more of 3 categories.
They may want pure as the driven snow Open Source Android
They might want as few of what they don't need as possible for increased resources
They simply don't like the HTC and it's prettiness
To each his own. As long as you're on Android, we are on the same side. Viva La Evo! Viva Android! Death to Apple!
I like Android Sense. Makes the transition from WM6.5 Sense a lot smother for me
I dont think anyone would deny that fact that Sense looks amazing. I just want to shut it off to save my battery. From what i hear, sense is quite the juice hog.
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Hey man, you gotta understand i didnt search and couldnt search. Also, i know you cant completely replace sense ui on a stock rom but some people like the launcher2.apk better. So sorry for double posting bud
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what do you mean you couldn't search? at this moment their are only 4 threads in this section, all you had to do was open your eyes.
slacker76 said:
I dont think anyone would deny that fact that Sense looks amazing. I just want to shut it off to save my battery. From what i hear, sense is quite the juice hog.
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You won't save much battery if you turn Sense off. Unless you just have pages full of self updating widgets or something.
love the 2.1 UI.im GOING for that instead of the SENSE
Yeah... I'm looking forward to a stock froyo EVO as soon as possible... best of luck to those with the skill to make it happen
Or at least sense with the stock 2.2 launcher. I actually like the default contacts and messaging apps for sense. Not to mention the clock is way better too, and camera has tap to focus. One thing AOSP has for me though is the look, the white and orange are very appeasing for some reason.
im jus hopeing HTC keeps their promise of updating the SUPERSONIC in july to FROYO 2.2(love the UI).gonna love the phone even more.
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im jus hopeing HTC keeps their promise of updating the SUPERSONIC in july to FROYO 2.2(love the UI).gonna love the phone even more.
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I don't think they promised anything at any date, other than that most handsets made after 2010 will get 2.2... no specific dates were set..maybe i am wrong and please link me if i am..
Nvm found the answer.
setite said:
... If you want HTC sexiness, you gotta get Sense
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hhmm, goofy quote, I'll say that.
HTC Sense is "attractive", but not for everyone.
The first time I played with Sense was on a Hero ROM on my G1. Then again with the Desire ROM on my Nexus.
Even with the Nexus speed increase, it was definitely NOT sexy.
I really like the Plain Jane look of Android™ raw.
setite said:
For many this is true. For others, I suspect there are multiple motivations for wanting a pure android. I suspect most fall into one or more of 3 categories.
They may want pure as the driven snow Open Source Android
They might want as few of what they don't need as possible for increased resources
They simply don't like the HTC and it's prettiness
To each his own. As long as you're on Android, we are on the same side. Viva La Evo! Viva Android! Death to Apple!
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si si, Viva la EVO y la Android, death to Apple?
But I like picking on my iPhoney friends!!!
now rebased off rvu 1.3.1 so that means 4g should be a go
I removed all HTC widgets and most HTC/sprint apps except for the needed ones people messages music etc. Plus a few I happen to like
Big thanks to Keith and gbhil over at Android central for an amazing Rom to base this off of
Also gotta thank toast maejrep and co. For root
Wipe is most likely needed haven't tried to flash yet without
and yes you will keep root if you flash this if you used toasts method haven't confirmed unrevoked
Changelog:
1.1 now based on rvu 1.3.1 com.HTC.utility no longer fcs
1.0 based of rvu 1.0 all HTC widgets/apps removed except for messages etc....
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/6316939/senseless-evo-v1.1.zip
http://www.4shared.com/file/kkuR1-0O/senseless-evo-v10.html
Looks great! I will load this later!
I highly recommend getting adw launcher it'd amazing
Does anyone know where com.HTC.rosieutility is located or what on here could still be causing it to fc on boot it doesn't affect the phone at all its just annoying seeing that every reboot
A couple of questions. Will you still be rooted if you flash this rom? Does it still have the market or 4G problems of other roms.
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A couple of questions. Will you still be rooted if you flash this rom? Does it still have the market or 4G problems of other roms.
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Yup you'll still be rooted with toasts method at least never touch the unrevoked root
I have no idea about 4g I would say probably not since I didn't change anything in that regard
I'll get back to u on the market
Aw, darn. I thought this was actually an AOSP ROM. This is basically already what I've done to my stock ROM.
TheBiles said:
Aw, darn. I thought this was actually an AOSP ROM. This is basically already what I've done to my stock ROM.
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you will never get an aosp rom. 2.1 doesn't support wimax or the high video drivers. htc made the updates needed for those.
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Soo basically all I did was remove all HTC widgets and most
HTC apps from the newest Rom over on Android central by
Keith Newman so major thanks goes to him
Also gotta thank toast maejrep and co. For root
and finally I highly recommend wiping everything before you flash this...
and yes you will keep root if you flash this if you used toasts method haven't confirmed unrevoked
http://www.4shared.com/file/kkuR1-0O/senseless-evo-v10.html
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no homo but i love you OP. i've been waiting for this.
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Aw, darn. I thought this was actually an AOSP ROM. This is basically already what I've done to my stock ROM.
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Ya sry about that but to be honest I like the little HTC touches here and there it actually tends to complement vanilla more then you might realize
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Ya sry about that but to be honest I like the little HTC touches here and there it actually tends to complement vanilla more then you might realize
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by you saying this, does this mean some htc sense is still in this rom? i have a nexus one and i hate sense altogether, i'm looking for a rom that has no htc sense whatsoever.
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no homo but i love you OP. i've been waiting for this.
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WOW. almost 300 posts and you were WAITING for someone to rm a few apk's and then add one or 2? NO offense to you and i appreciate op just going thru the effort to share and ul, WE should all appreciate any contribution and if you have a problem with it just dont comment or use it. Just dont understand why you wouldnt just take 10 minutes and do it yourself. It takes ops longer cus hes also got wait for it to upload so he can share. This is not a crack and i am not a child. This is just my 2cents and what i thought while reading this comment.
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Ya sry about that but to be honest I like the little HTC touches here and there it actually tends to complement vanilla more then you might realize
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Good job. Thanks for the speedy contribution towards our shiny new evo rom collection I remember liking sense and aosp so i like both and i always wanted sense to run right. That was everyones complaint with sense. Well thats not an issue anymore. I thought i would be all on it, like with my hero w/o thinking.....well as soon as i got my evo i forgot all that i learned about root and why to do it....JK but i am very satisfied with it and i will wait until i can access recovery and rw to system from device before i do. I spent the whole time i had my hero trying to make it into a device like this.....well now i have it Gimme a week and i think ill go to work.......
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you will never get an aosp rom. 2.1 doesn't support wimax or the high video drivers. htc made the updates needed for those.
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Those two things I can live without. Some devs said there were going to port an AOSP 2.1 ROM, but they haven't posted updates.
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by you saying this, does this mean some htc sense is still in this rom? i have a nexus one and i hate sense altogether, i'm looking for a rom that has no htc sense whatsoever.
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This is just the stock ROM with Sprint apps, HTC widgets, and the Sense launcher removed. It is still loaded with Sense.
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Those two things I can live without. Some devs said there were going to port an AOSP 2.1 ROM, but they haven't posted updates.
This is just the stock ROM with Sprint apps, HTC widgets, and the Sense launcher removed. It is still loaded with Sense.
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nevermind, i thought htc sense was fully removed, not just a few apks
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WOW. almost 300 posts and you were WAITING for someone to rm a few apk's and then add one or 2? NO offense to you and i appreciate op just going thru the effort to share and ul, WE should all appreciate any contribution and if you have a problem with it just dont comment or use it. Just dont understand why you wouldnt just take 10 minutes and do it yourself. It takes ops longer cus hes also got wait for it to upload so he can share. This is not a crack and i am not a child. This is just my 2cents and what i thought while reading this comment.
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as you can see i thougth sense was removed completely and if you think you can do that by just removing a few apks show me. also even if i had 1000 post, this could be my very 1st android phone and those 1000 posts wouldn't mean a damn thing, just my 2cents, if you don't have anything helpful to say, shut up.
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by you saying this, does this mean some htc sense is still in this rom? i have a nexus one and i hate sense altogether, i'm looking for a rom that has no htc sense whatsoever.
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Until we have fully functional aosp/froyo/2.2 you wont have a rom that will even work without a bunch of sense remnants wasting space on your internal storage and increasing rom size.HTC is a shiny ui htc used to lure in all the apple morons(no offense i used to have an iphone before my hero). and since they made the devices, they're plaguing software/htc sense is an integral part of the ruu they put together. This is the reason everyone always wants a non-sense rom or VANILLA. We will not have full function vanilla until toast or someone else here compiles an0ther makeshift kernel, or lastly when htc releases the source so that we can compile a kernel with the right device drivers, to give us a full function rom. It would be to say the least, very very very hard to just compile the right drivers for the htc device hardware, thus all the aosp/froyo with certain features such as cam, or 4G missing.......hope this helps you und3rstand what you are looking for a little bit more clearly. In theory, YOU or I could create the source code for the kernel and drivers. Is that going to HAPPEN?????????????????? Probably not. Dont worry though, we have toast, so we happen to have a head start in the race.....
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Until we have fully functional aosp/froyo/2.2 you wont have a rom that will even work without a bunch of sense remnants wasting space on your internal storage and increasing rom size.HTC is a shiny ui htc used to lure in all the apple morons(no offense i used to have an iphone before my hero). and since they made the devices, they're plaguing software/htc sense is an integral part of the ruu they put together. This is the reason everyone always wants a non-sense rom or VANILLA. We will not have full function vanilla until toast or someone else here compiles an0ther makeshift kernel, or lastly when htc releases the source so that we can compile a kernel with the right device drivers, to give us a full function rom. It would be to say the least, very very very hard to just compile the right drivers for the htc device hardware, thus all the aosp/froyo with certain features such as cam, or 4G missing.......hope this helps you und3rstand what you are looking for a little bit more clearly. In theory, YOU or I could create the source code for the kernel and drivers. Is that going to HAPPEN?????????????????? Probably not. Dont worry though, we have toast, so we happen to have a head start in the race.....
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Could you PLEASE not use that font color? With sugar on top?
Rosies gone and most of the apps that where randomly coming on and wasting mem/batt. Are gone this is all I'm worried and it runs nice as **** I mean has anybody that had something bad to say even try it
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as you can see i thougth sense was removed completely and if you think you can do that by just removing a few apks show me. also even if i had 1000 post, this could be my very 1st android phone and those 1000 posts wouldn't mean a damn thing, just my 2cents, if you don't have anything helpful to say, shut up.
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search my name in xda search youll find PLENTY of inter3sting things ive said. Do your own homework before instulting me or anyone else please.I meant neither of you any disrespect. I was explaining myself a little better and when i put up the 2nd post i saw this. This is an open forum right? well thats my opinion and some info. If you dl'd the rom you would see all the sense remnants yourself, resulting in less thread clutter,simultaneously answering your own question. I was trying to inform you in my second post. And please do not disrespect me by asking me to shut up. I do not disrespect anyone here on xda nor will i ever, and i expect the same treatment in return. I am here to help,learn,and contribute. Sorry you took offense. I guess i just dont ask others for answers that are readily available to myself. I would apologize but you offended me. please do not reply here again, as your response will be ignored by me. apologies to readers for momentary thread jack.......now, back to topic.....
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Rosies gone and most of the apps that where randomly coming on and wasting mem/batt. Are gone this is all I'm worried and it runs nice as **** I mean has anybody that had something bad to say even try it
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I noticed what you did when i looked. Just wondering, were you unhappy with your evo when you got it? or did you just make a new rom to give everyone another choice of rom? or maybe even your personal, like i do sometimes? Just curious.....
@ops. I never spoke ill of your work, jic you took it that way, im not that guy. I appreciate any contributions to the community and have spent months of my own time staying up finishing up things ive been working to complete my self in order to ul and share with the community. Needless to say, I KNOW WHERE YOURE COMING FROM. When i can give us a new choice of rom or theme i too will begin work.....
i did start this thread in the general section when i had fewer than 10 posts, so sorry about the repost.
i have been wondering if any work has been done porting aosp to the desire s or if anyone could point me to the proper tutorials on how to do it, though i will have little time to work on it during the next 3 months or so.
cheers
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i did start this thread in the general section when i had fewer than 10 posts, so sorry about the repost.
i have been wondering if any work has been done porting aosp to the desire s or if anyone could point me to the proper tutorials on how to do it, though i will have little time to work on it during the next 3 months or so.
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cm7 for incredible s is on the way. i think, it will complete for desire s in 1 month too.
proxuser said:
cm7 for incredible s is on the way. i think, it will complete for desire s in 1 month too.
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it would indeed seem that way. just pulled the cm sources to see if adding a new device wasn't too hard a task and it seems there already has been some work done towards porting it to the saga (aka desire s). finally some good news
Hope the port for Saga comes soon. Really look forward to getting rid of Sense.
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Hope the port for Saga comes soon. Really look forward to getting rid of Sense.
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as do i...
rubbish said:
...Really look forward to getting rid of Sense...
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as do i...
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Then why in the world did you guys buy an HTC phone?
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Then why in the world did you guys buy an HTC phone?
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for hardware?
i'm waiting for aosp too
Hmm... It is pretty great piece of hardware but Sense is great IMO (and no, I'm not an HTC employee )
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for hardware?
i'm waiting for aosp too
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NexuS has pretty same hardware. Even better cam..
I sold NexuS because I missed some of the sense things:
the stock dialer has NO t9 search - most dialer from market are crap or slow or somehow frickled on the stock dialer. Even old nokia do have a quick search option...
Stock contacts are ugly.
GAL (global adress list for exchange server) is NOT implemented in android 2.x - only in 3.0; but it's implemented since sense1 (hero)
CM had some issues - espacially with the notification bar/speed settings - on 2.3 - the new sense 3.0 lockscreen and notification bar are very good - so no need for CM at the moment - for _me_
So I deleted most of sense.apk from /system on my DesireS (all widgets, all "htc", like route66, amazon, stockexchange..) and do use adw-launcher instead of rosie (don't delete it cause is needed for lockscreen settings!) - but do have integrated company exchange and a good biult in dialer, cool contacts (with flickr and fb content) and nice lockscreen..
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NexuS has pretty same hardware. Even better cam..
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there was one thing i didn't like about the nexus s. had i been able to use my 32GB microsd card, i would've gone for the nexus s.
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Hmm... It is pretty great piece of hardware but Sense is great IMO (and no, I'm not an HTC employee )
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Sense is THE BEST ANDROID UI, EVAR. Don't know why people wanna "DE-SENSE" their phones. I'm gonna flash CM7 to see what the fuss is about , but sense 3.0 first Hopefully, the new official version of CM7 will come for DS too. I'd rather let the ports pass on...........
to each their own. i'm still waiting to see someone make a WebOS like UI for android ^^
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Then why in the world did you guys buy an HTC phone?
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In my case I obviously liked the phone much enough to neglect my dislike towards Sense
I don't complain about having Sense and can live with it but would prefer to run clean Android build when/if it becomes available.
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to each their own. i'm still waiting to see someone make a WebOS like UI for android ^^
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That would be EPIC !!!!!!!!!!!
shrome99 said:
That would be EPIC !!!!!!!!!!!
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i was sorta kidding, but yes it would be. so would an actual port of WebOS
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i was sorta kidding, but yes it would be. so would an actual port of WebOS
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I get the sarcasm, but well, imo WebOS is a really good os. It's too new and has veeeeerrry less apps. In abou 1-2 years maybe, it'll become as good as android is today.
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I get the sarcasm, but well, imo WebOS is a really good os. It's too new and has veeeeerrry less apps. In abou 1-2 years maybe, it'll become as good as android is today.
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had there been better WebOS devices on the market, i would probably have bought one of those instead. i've been told that app development is a lot easier than on any other platform. and as soon as i get some time, i might just look into writing apps for android.
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Then why in the world did you guys buy an HTC phone?
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There's plenty of HTC phones out there that are running custom ROMs and customised user interfaces that don't rely on Sense. It may be the "out of the box experience" as far as most HTC phones are concerned, but isn't that what all THIS (ie these forums) is about - customisations, and thinking "out of the box"? (no pun intended, haha).
If we all concentrated on Sense and variations on that theme then this community would be a much poorer one.
Peace
sense ftw!
Well, i love sense, but i am porting the cm7 just so people have the choose, and also to make the development on this device more alive
But personally, Sense is the thing!