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HELP: Unlocked ATT compatible with Sprint?

Hello all,
I was just informed that my company will be transitioning to a corporate cellular plan and will be moving to Sprint. We will be receiving a Blackberry and I cringed as I have fallen in dire love with my ATT Tilt, yes, wife is a little jealous. We have a microsoft exchange server, so I can still get away with a WM6 phone, however I have a few questions and need to decide what to do by this FRIDAY! UGH!
If I can get this unlocked, can I use this on Sprint? Do they also use the sim card?
Thanks in advance.

Uh, no. Unlocking the phone would only allow you to use it with another GSM provider. Sprint and Verizon both use CDMA, so there is no way to use your Tilt on their networks.

Thank you very much for the information... today is a sad day for me. That is exactly what I was afraid of. It just isn't worth keeping the min plan with full data to maintain my phone. I have only had it since November so looks like I will have to get rid of it
Anyone have any Sprint suggestions?

First off LOL to your question. And second, take a look at the Sprint Mogul, as far as I can tell it's pretty much the same phone but not as cool. There is not Tilting of the screen and you'll have to do some fancy foot work to get the GPS running on it, the camera isn't 3mp but everything else is pretty much the same. If you look in the forum under Titan then you can do some research on it.

You can tell I'm devastated... I really am . My boss was scared to tell me cause I just go on and on about my new mistress, I mean phone. I just recently made the Treo Palm OS leap to HTC WM6 and haven't looked back. I was hoping that Sprint was GSM, but since CDMA, there is no popping a SIM out and putting another in, which means I will have to carry two phones or forward my personal to business, which then means no point in keeping this phone. I'll have to figure out if CDMA can use two phone numbers at once on one phone.

if you can then I would be really suprised. 2 phones make you look cooler, well if the other wasn't a black berry

Heres a suggestion being that I work for AT&T ANS Tech Support I get these calls alot. My suggestion is keep the Tilt. Ask your IT if they could give OUTLOOK WEB ACCESS that way you can set it up in the device client of the Tilt. The other option is ask them if they wouldn't mind forwarding your work email to another email address. Another option is that if you company will be using blackberries on the server as well. Call AT&T and get the connect feature for your phone that way you could still keep your Tilt. Palm OS sucks. Looks boring can't customize anything etc. Not to mention the bug in the phone that makes it Hotsync for no reason when it isn't even connected to the computer. Let me know what you think

Thanks for the suggestion, I currently have all those happening because I have the settings. The biggest change is I no loner get to expense my phone, they will be choosing the plan, they will be paying... hence why I don't want to have my $150+ cellphone bill become my personal cellphone. They will no longer be reimburisng like before. So my hope was I could reuse this phone, but that thought has been killed off.
Feel bad for me... feel very bad for me. :lmao:

The real question is why are they switching to sprint. From what I've seen they've started to circle the drain. They had a major loss to subscribers and they had to shut down a bunch of stores. at&t and Verizon are the 2 real competitors. I wouldn't be shocked if Sprint sold to Verizon soon and t-mobile USA sold to at&t.
So in the end they're switching to Sprint... Go with the Touch or the Mogul (which is basically the 8525).

umm idk if its cdma or not but the samsung f700 is AMAZING

DaneMaximus said:
The real question is why are they switching to sprint. From what I've seen they've started to circle the drain. They had a major loss to subscribers and they had to shut down a bunch of stores. at&t and Verizon are the 2 real competitors. I wouldn't be shocked if Sprint sold to Verizon soon and t-mobile USA sold to at&t.
So in the end they're switching to Sprint... Go with the Touch or the Mogul (which is basically the 8525).
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I wish T-Mo sold to AT&T. I need 3G! Put in my friends sim from his iPhone and played with HSDPA and he wanted to trade phones immediately. I thought EVDO was fast when I had Sprint.

I thought Tmobile didn't have 3G just Edge

Unfortunately, it was not my decision... and I would agree, I am not thrilled, but someone in our corp. office was sold a bill of sale on this idea. What I can't believe is that they are going to pay the licensing on each BB, when the Microsoft push is free! Oh well.... I still continue to cry over spilled milk.
Rquinn, thanks for the 411 on their network speed, I got some clarification and we will have their data plan, so that is good to know.
Chumley, Rquinn was saying he wishes they would sell to ATT so he could get 3G

Sprint Touch Pro vs ATT Fuze

I'm still chugging along with my T-Mobile MDA but with my bandwidth addiction I need to go 3G. Naturally the Touch Pro is what I'm looking at but I have a few questions I haven't been able to answer with searches...
Is the Sprint version thicker? If so, any idea how much thicker?
I've seen at least one smartphone offer GSM as well as CDMA (someone had a Sprint phone with a SIM card slot, can't remember the model now.) Any chance The Touch Pro will do this? I doubt it will but I can dream right?
Since ATT decided to change the keyboard is there a way to remap it to have a CTRL key instead of what looks like an OK key on the bottom left?
I would love to get a much slimmer phone, but the keyboard is so handy. And of course I want a nice screen for internet browsing so I either go with the Diamond and make do with the on-screen (and possibly buy a tiny bluetooth keyboard) or deal with the extra thickness of the Pro. But one of the things I will be doing with it is SSH (not with the Diamond obviously) so the CTRL key would be nice to have. Then of course there are things like RAM, applications, etc to think about and not to mention the differences in the networks. Who would you guys rather go with for network speed/reliability?
I've never had such a hard time picking out a new phone before...

I doubt the CDMA version of the Touch Pro would be any thicker than the GSM model.
Sprint's network does not support SIM cards, but they own Nextel which does use SIM cards. What you saw was a dual network (Sprint/Nextel) phone that uses CDMA for voice and data, and GSM for Push-to-Talk.

The CDMA Touch Pro is no thicker. It has rounded edges which may or may not make it look thicker but it is still 0.7". Honestly the rounded edges actually give it a nicer feel in the hand as well.
As far as the CDMA with a SIM card, you are thinking of the Blackberry 8830 World Edition. This has a SIM slot but only for international use...not US use. The Touch Pro will NOT have this.
As far as the remapping. There are articles in here that you can search for that will explain how to do this. I personally would much rather have OK and the Windows key than have CTRL and a second Shift key.
Lastly, it is all personal preference. 3G is much faster in my experiences than EVDO Rev. A but when looking at webpages it really doesn't make too much of a difference to me...it's more about the hardware and software you have that determines speed. The biggest selling point that made me go to Sprint was the fact that unlimited plans are extremely cheap. $52/month after my employee discounts for unlimited text, data (GPS and all those other fun Sprint features) and 450 minutes.

same here
I had a sprint phone with a sim card slot it was the samsung IP 830 it was bad and big but it had the best universal remote control I have seen also for international use. so my contract is up with at&t on december and Im trying to decide if I want to go back to sprint or stay with att sprint data service is way faster and cheaper than AT&T here in iowa cuz we don't have 3G and I doubt we will ever get it so I don't know I like the omnia better than the touch pro so maybe if that device comes to AT&T I will stay.

Well, even thou the 3g IS faster, with the iPhone hoggin up the GSM band and sometimes slowing the 3g to a crawl, I would say the EVDO REV-A is gonna be faster as CDMA does NOT have any slow downs like GSM when its crowded. The only thing that GSM has over CDMA in the states is coverage. I would give this thanks to the iPhone 3g!

NotATreoFan said:
I doubt the CDMA version of the Touch Pro would be any thicker than the GSM model.
Sprint's network does not support SIM cards, but they own Nextel which does use SIM cards. What you saw was a dual network (Sprint/Nextel) phone that uses CDMA for voice and data, and GSM for Push-to-Talk.
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I thought Nextel was IDEN, not GSM

According to the pictures on this Engadget Mobile post, the Sprint version will in fact have a ctrl key as well as numbers on the top row of keys instead of symbols. That's a big plus as far as I'm concerned.
I'm actually trying to make the same choice between the Sprint and ATT versions of this phone. I'm on ATT now (with a Tilt) and have been for several years with few issues. I've always been a big GSM supporter, but I'm not a world traveller and haven't really used any of the benefits of SIM cards either, so I'm starting to wonder why I'm sticking with GSM. It seems that in the US, it's just an inferior technology. All I've read says that Sprint's Rev A is faster than ATT's HSPA - at least in real world scenarios - and Sprint's coverage (both Rev A and not) is supposedly stronger (reaches inside buildings better) and more widespread (reaches more rural areas).
On top of that, Sprint's prices are far better! I'm paying nearly as much on ATT for 600 minutes + unlimited SMS, MMS, and data as I would on Sprint for unlimited everything (and this is throwing in stuff like Sprint TV and their GPS service as well). If I went for a plan more in line with my usage, I could get their 450 minute plan for $60 if I'm remembering correctly - which saves me about $40 a month.
I've also heard that their customer service is very lenient with discounts and credits, which is something I've never really had with ATT (except when they make a mistake on my bill).
So that's where I stand. Aside from leaving GSM and the price of breaking my contract with ATT, I'm seeing very little reason not to switch over to Sprint. Is there something I'm missing here? Any advice?

I jumped ship from Verizon to get the Mogul from Sprint. Never been happier. As a matter of fact, I'm as happy as a retard

TheBundo said:
I thought Nextel was IDEN, not GSM
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Quite possible. I gave up following Nextel 8 years ago after my i95 pissed me off 300-too-many-times. I knew next to nothing about phones back then.

I agree with most of what you said. Except for:
salimai said:
I've also heard that their customer service is very lenient with discounts and credits...
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I have been with AT&T since it 2001, but I signed up for a Sprint data card last summer because I was traveling to Florida, and one of the areas I was going to did not offer 3G coverage on AT&T.
I ended up canceling the service 2 days before coming home because even though I was in the heart of EVDO Rev-A, according to coverage maps and customer service reps, that damn card would refuse to connect about dialup speeds unless I left it sit connected and idle for the first 20 minutes after turning it on... and it was still barely faster then AT&T's Edge network (verified by tethering my Wizard to my laptop and using ICS).
When I canceled the account, I was told that I would receive a full refund of my activation fee and all usage charges because it had only been 10 days, and the service did not work as expected. Fast forward to 45 days later, and I get a letter from Sprint that they're sending my account to collections over $18.58 in unpaid usage fees. I fought that for another 4 weeks, and got absolutely nowhere (apparently Sprint reps can be fired for transferring your call to a supervisor ).
Long enough story shortened... I paid the money because it just wasn't worth the frustration... but I will never be a Sprint customer again.

I was with Sprint for many years before I switched to T-Mobile. The only reason I switched a few years ago is because Sprint's phones sucked. They just didn't have a very good selection (it was mostely flip phones that were all pretty much the same.) I also got my MDA for free on Amazon ($150 before $150 in rebates) so it was a pretty good deal. When I was with Sprint I never really had any problems with customer service but I only called them when I wanted to change my plan or something wasn't working right. I did get a little upset when I was calling them about the federal government employee discount though. I swear I called like 4 times and I would either get put on hold indefinately or the rep would act like she couldn't hear me and hang up after I mentioned the discount. I later found a different number to call about it and it was a much better experience.
I like the idea of being able to switch networks with a phone and take it overseas if I need to. But I have realized that by the time I want to switch networks the phone would be very outdated and I can get a new one with the discounts. As far as going overseas...I could get orders overseas (Air Force) but there's no guarantee that I would even be in a GSM area (is Japan GSM? Korea isn't right?) and if I was they'd probably have better phones anyway.
I think I might just go with Sprint. The pricing is just below what I pay T-Mobile (I only need 450 minutes) and it has the keyboard I want. Now I just have to talk myself into waiting for the TP and not going for the Diamond...of course I could get the Diamond first then give it to my wife if I still want the TP (I'm sure she'd love to watch Youtube whenever she wants.)

Does anyone know the spec differences between the sprint touch pro and the fuze or a link to a comparison? I did a search on here but didn't notice it. Thanks

NotATreoFan said:
I agree with most of what you said. Except for:
I have been with AT&T since it 2001, but I signed up for a Sprint data card last summer because I was traveling to Florida, and one of the areas I was going to did not offer 3G coverage on AT&T.
I ended up canceling the service 2 days before coming home because even though I was in the heart of EVDO Rev-A, according to coverage maps and customer service reps, that damn card would refuse to connect about dialup speeds unless I left it sit connected and idle for the first 20 minutes after turning it on... and it was still barely faster then AT&T's Edge network (verified by tethering my Wizard to my laptop and using ICS).
When I canceled the account, I was told that I would receive a full refund of my activation fee and all usage charges because it had only been 10 days, and the service did not work as expected. Fast forward to 45 days later, and I get a letter from Sprint that they're sending my account to collections over $18.58 in unpaid usage fees. I fought that for another 4 weeks, and got absolutely nowhere (apparently Sprint reps can be fired for transferring your call to a supervisor ).
Long enough story shortened... I paid the money because it just wasn't worth the frustration... but I will never be a Sprint customer again.
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That sounds like a nightmare. I'll keep that in mind. Thanks for sharing your experience.
kextyn said:
I like the idea of being able to switch networks with a phone and take it overseas if I need to. But I have realized that by the time I want to switch networks the phone would be very outdated and I can get a new one with the discounts. As far as going overseas...I could get orders overseas (Air Force) but there's no guarantee that I would even be in a GSM area (is Japan GSM? Korea isn't right?) and if I was they'd probably have better phones anyway.
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Well, the possibility of world travel is one of the things that's kept me with GSM. I'm a musician and my last band toured nationally and almost internationally (the tour fell through unfortunately), and I wanted the flexibility. But considering the plethora of different technologies and frequencies, whatever USA phone I get is most likely going to be at least crippled no matter where I go anyway.
Japan uses mostly W-CDMA from what I understand. Unfortunately, it's compatible with neither Sprint or Verizon's CDMA nor ATT or T-Mobile USA's W-CDMA.
jkmiec3rd said:
Does anyone know the spec differences between the sprint touch pro and the fuze or a link to a comparison? I did a search on here but didn't notice it. Thanks
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From everything I've read, it seems that they are identical spec-wise. The two phones have different cases (the Sprint version is a bit more rounded) and the top row of keys is different (Sprint has numbers, ATT has symbols), but other than that I believe they are the same.

salimai said:
From everything I've read, it seems that they are identical spec-wise. The two phones have different cases (the Sprint version is a bit more rounded) and the top row of keys is different (Sprint has numbers, ATT has symbols), but other than that I believe they are the same.
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Has anyone actually posted a pic of the BACKSIDE of the ATT touch pro? I don't think I've seen any yet.
Note the sprint version is going to have a silver/grey back with a chrome bezel type thing going around the side:
http://www.engadgetmobile.com/photos/hands-on-with-sprints-touch-pro/

Keep in mind best buy has the us 3g unlocked version of the touch diamond gsm version so pretty soon they will get the us 3g version of the touch pro so you can get the 5 row keyboard the way HTC initially set it up without ATT butcher job...Just a little FYI. Best buy should have the unlocked 3g version of the touch pro sometime in November after ATT and sprint lauches their versions.

gramsey1911 said:
Keep in mind best buy has the us 3g unlocked version of the touch diamond gsm version so pretty soon they will get the us 3g version of the touch pro so you can get the 5 row keyboard the way HTC initially set it up without ATT butcher job...Just a little FYI. Best buy should have the unlocked 3g version of the touch pro sometime in November after ATT and sprint lauches their versions.
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has it been confirmed that bb will get TP? cuz for all we know the last leak from bb was that they'd be selling SPRINT TP, there was no indication whether they'd be selling unlocked 3G version. Also, can we say for sure they'll carry TP just cuz they carry diamond? I mean, they started selling diamond way before any of the carriers...what stopped them from selling TP ahead of time? also, since 3 carriers will have TP in their fleet, does it make sense for bb to sell a handset that more than half of the US carriers have? where's the profit in that? just some random questions I kept asking myself. If anyone would enlighten me it'd be much appreciated.

gramsey1911 said:
Keep in mind best buy has the us 3g unlocked version of the touch diamond gsm version so pretty soon they will get the us 3g version of the touch pro so you can get the 5 row keyboard the way HTC initially set it up without ATT butcher job...Just a little FYI. Best buy should have the unlocked 3g version of the touch pro sometime in November after ATT and sprint lauches their versions.
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I also would like to know if this has been confirmed. It's definitely an interesting option if it is indeed true. Unfortunately, with the Diamond having a $700 price tag, I'm not sure that this will be a reasonable option no matter how tempting. I know some people are willing to drop close to $1000 on a phone (it might not be that high, but I would expect it to be close since the Diamond is so spendy), but not me.
As far as the carrier choice goes, the posts negative toward Sprint have only been related to customer service issues (which may or may not be widespread) rather than coverage, signal quality, data speed, CDMA vs GSM, etc. I have to say I'm a bit surprised. At this point I'm taking that to mean that switching to Sprint might be the right choice. Would anyone else like to chime in?

Well for me i will have to stay with ATT. I live about 20 miles outside of Austin, TX and ATT gets much better signal than Sprint which my old roommate had. I have pretty much noticed that in Texas at least if you are gonna do much outside the main cities then ATT is pretty much the best option.
Question for other ATT customers, I get a company have my company discount of 20% discount on new hardware associated with my account but I have been told by the reps on the phone that the discount cannot be applied with the contract renewal price. This makes an odd choice since i will not use the rebate form since i don't want to switch from my Media Max 200 plan to the Pda Plan.
Options:
1. No contract renewal and suggesting a retail of $549 - 20% brings a cost of $439
2. Get with contract renewal making price probably about $399 without rebate.
3. The rep was full of it and I can use the contract renewal and the 20%.

TaurenSnake said:
Well for me i will have to stay with ATT. I live about 20 miles outside of Austin, TX and ATT gets much better signal than Sprint which my old roommate had. I have pretty much noticed that in Texas at least if you are gonna do much outside the main cities then ATT is pretty much the best option.
Question for other ATT customers, I get a company have my company discount of 20% discount on new hardware associated with my account but I have been told by the reps on the phone that the discount cannot be applied with the contract renewal price. This makes an odd choice since i will not use the rebate form since i don't want to switch from my Media Max 200 plan to the Pda Plan.
Options:
1. No contract renewal and suggesting a retail of $549 - 20% brings a cost of $439
2. Get with contract renewal making price probably about $399 without rebate.
3. The rep was full of it and I can use the contract renewal and the 20%.
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I had no problem buying the Tilt using AT&T Premier and renewing my existing contract.

http://wmpoweruser.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/attfuze.jpg
Wow, ATT's keyboard of the htc IS really ugly!
Also I'm almost positive that ATT will get the "watered down" camera. 3.1 MP.

Dissatisfied with htc- not enough 3g radios

Like many of you, I have been a loyal HTC customer since 2004 when I bought my first HTC product. I have been buying at least one new HTC product each year since then. However, beginning two or so year ago, HTC stopped selling unlocked phones with 3G Radios which worked in Europe and the U.S.
For example, a few years ago when the HTC TyTN came out, we U.S. customers could pay a bit of a premium and buy an unlocked HTC TyTN which had 3G radios which worked in the U.S. and Europe before the the HTC TyTN variant (Cingular 8525) officially came to the U.S. many months later. The same was true of the HTC TyTN II (AT&T Tilt or 8925).
Beginning with the HTC Rafael (AT&T Fuze) a couple years ago, the unlocked phones offered directly from HTC had no 3G radios for the U.S. Next, the HTC HD Blackstone and then the HTC Touch Pro 2 were offered unlocked, but without radios that could work on U.S. 3G networks.
This makes me very angry for several reasons. First, AT&T is undoubtedly the best GSM carrier stateside in terms of 3G coverage. (Hopefully T-Mobile will catch up someday). All U.S. customers (if they want 3G) have to wait for months to get the hot stuff. By the time the new device arrives, it's old news and out of date (the HTC Tilt 2 for example). AT&T will undoubtedly receive all the good stuff last because of its exclusivity with the I-Phone which makes all the other manufacturers want to release their new stuff elsewhere first. (I don't blame them for this.).
Secondly, AT&T's branding is absolutely atrocious. I'd like to get my hands on the idiot at AT&T who keeps screwing up perfectly good QWERTY keyboards with AT&T idiotic silver keys and insane layouts. The silver wears off and makes the keys hard to see in bright light. The layout is insane because they change the masterful HTC layouts and have even changed patters from their previous keyboards. The caps and function keys have been switched. Whoever is in charge of keyboard layout should be fired and not allowed to work in the industry again.
Business people who live in Europe and travel to the U.S. should be equally upset. Their expensive unlocked HTC products won't pick up a U.S. 3G signal.
Am I the only one who doesn't like this trend? I think not. We all need to band together and push HTC to putting a bunch of 3G radios in its products. Personally, I'd like to see some unlocked products which had the following 3G bands - 850/900/1700/1900/2100. Or what about 850/1700/1900/2100 so that it could be used on either AT&T or T-Mobile in the States and also in Europe? No, they cannot do that, the carriers would have to actually compete on quality of service and price rather than on what phone they have.
I suspect that the hardware is not a limitation. If it is the limitation, the manufacturers could make plug in modules that could go from one frequency set to another. I bet that the reason the radios are limited is due to the totally anti-competitive practices of the U.S. carriers.
This is total B.S. Every single HTC customer who travels between the U.S. and Europe should complain to HTC about this. Can we get some kind of joint letter, etc, going?
I'd be interested to hear all responses. I'm frankly fed up.

I'm personally pretty frustrated with this issue. AT&T really f*cks up their keyboards, and adds so much crap to their devices. I'd have thrown my Tilt and Tilt2 out the window if I hadn't learned about cooked ROMs. The keyboard is the absolute worst, though. Whoever at AT&T decides to ruin the otherwise great keyboards on the unlocked devices needs to be shot. And as you said, they decided to change the CAPS and FN key positions, after I already learned to type the opposite way for two years.
However, the antenna hardware is a limitation, in a sense. Meaning, you can't enable the US 3G bands on an unlocked device if they internal hardware antenna doesn't support it. In a podcast with Mobility Digest, one the legendary producers of HardSPL (Olipro) said that he's hacked radios and SPLs to allow all the frequencies to be utilized, and there was no signal, because the antenna hardware was not able to pick up the frequencies.
I think the real problem is the carriers. AT&T doesn't want people to buy an unlocked AT&T compatible phone that I can use without an expensive data plan that I'm locked into for 2 years. They also don't want me to buy a phone that also supports T-Mobile, so I can decide I don't like AT&T and take my phone with me, 3G coverage and all. So what AT&T does is pressure HTC not to release an unlocked version with their 3G frequencies supported. You're absolutely right when you say that quality of service should be the deciding factor in a network, not the phones they sell.

I went through and other frustrations with HTC and at one point I swore I'd never buy another HTC phone again. Then I went and bought an iPhone. Problem is, while the iPhone is a pretty sweet phone, AT&T is still the same scumbag company regardless of what phone you own and Apple is even WORSE than HTC. Unless you jailbreak the iPhone, you can't do anything interesting with it and you're totally at the mercy of Apple and AT&T as far as apps and what you can do with them. Take Slingplayer, for example. It works over wifi, period. I can get it to work over 3G if I jailbreak the phone and install a utility that makes it think it's using wifi, but how much longer is jailbreaking going to be available? Apple is going to great lengths to put an end to jailbreaking thought patching the exploits that allow it to work and legally by trying to make it illegal to jailbreak it. You can't use your own sounds for message notification, you can't customize the screen, you can't do a lot of things. So Apple and AT&T take a nice phone and totally f**k it up. And that's why I'm back to using an HTC phone. In the grand scheme of things, HTC and Microsoft are, by a wide margin, the lesser of the two evils when put against Apple and AT&T.

I understand that HTC has limited the hardware so that even with the right software, the phones won't pick up frequencies for which they don't have hardware or antennas. It cannot be a big deal.
Always the optimist, I believe that if everyone who used this forum wrote HTC a letter demanding that they start putting the hardware in their phones to operate on multiple 3G networks, something positive might happen.
HTC has it in their power to make and sell unlocked phones. Five years ago, you never saw HTC's name on the phones. It was always, Cingular, T-Mobile, Siemens, Audiovox, etc. Now you see HTC doing direct advertising in the U.S. However, I don't think it will have any effect. The ignorant masses are so I-Phone crazy. The name HTC doesn't mean thing to them.
Soon that I-Phone will be sold on all the U.S. networks. HTC could advertise directly and sell tons of phones if the phones were unlocked and worked on multiple 3G networks. This is one of the principles of "Net Neutrality". People hate to be tied to any certain network. This idea of locking the customer into a two year contact to get a stinking phone is outrageous. Sure, the initial outlay for the phone is small, but the carrier more than makes it back with high than needed data connection fees. In the end, the consumer gets the shaft.
If HTC offered an unlocked phones with U.S. & Europe 3G, I'd buy a new one every few months if the phones were any good. I want an HTC HD2 right now. I'd also like to try an HTC Hero in a GSM 3G too. But I'll have to wait several months and hope my carrier gets it.
Let's not sit back and let this sorry situation continue. Let's spread the word and go after the HTC and get the message out there.

I'm not Dissatisfied with htc in regards to travel. But I am Dissatisfied with htc in regards to OS Updates. I dont think that HTC should allow the updates to be Choosen by the carrieer.
Example: HTC Touch Pro some carrieers are updateing to 6.5 and others are not.. and what pisses me off is HTC Touch Pro was designed for 7 then MS decided to push the release date back. so ALL Touch Pros should get the 6.5 update and when 7 comes out they should also get the 7 update aswell..
I'm so tired of this.. yes XDA is a good place to go for the updates but I should not have to rely on xda to give me the update.
I sware my next phone is going to be the apple iPhone.

radio stacks as far as I see it is not something htc are making a range of
they make one for each device and then make newer versions to tweek or fix issues with the first ones
the newest should in general be applied
about 3g frequencies diff between usa and the rest of the world is hardware differences not radio stack differences

Rudegar said:
radio stacks as far as I see it is not something htc are making a range of
they make one for each device and then make newer versions to tweek or fix issues with the first ones
the newest should in general be applied
about 3g frequencies diff between usa and the rest of the world is hardware differences not radio stack differences
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The radio software is not the problem. It's the hardware. The hardware is deliberately made so that it only works on certain networks. I'm sure that cost and design are not the problem.

HTC needs to get back to devices that are true 3G 'world' phones! They have already lost a lot of the business folks!! Bring on the petition!!!

Agreed
I totally share your frustration. Similarly, due to heavy use I tend to buy a new phone yearly, Starting with Cingular 8150. I have many times purchased the same phone more than once, since no new devices were available when I needed a new phone. I am completely frustrated with being part of the largest consumer market in the world, yet only getting the latest technology more than a year after the rest of this planet. HTC has already lost an opportunity, by failing to fully and effectively advertise its products to Joe public, who was dazzled with the Iphone when it was first released. The fact remains that when we watched these Iphone adds, none of us was ever impressed with these features since they have been available to us for a long time with our HTC phones.
Rambo, I would like to encourage you to make a petition, as few of us are able to articulate this issue as well as you can and I would invite everyone to sign it, as a consumer block numbering in the thousands we can have our voices heard.

galaxys said:
HTC needs to get back to devices that are true 3G 'world' phones! They have already lost a lot of the business folks!! Bring on the petition!!!
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petition? just dont buy their garbage!
i havnt bought another htc since the htc tytn, that is like 4 years ago?
my previous phones, Imate 6150, Imate 9500, Eten X800, Sony X1, Acer F900, and now Acer neotouch S200, just preorder Acer Liquid, and soon Sony X10. what does all these phones have in common? they all works on ATT USA 3G! HTC can take their junks and stick it u know where! haha

netnerd said:
petition? just dont buy their garbage!
i havnt bought another htc since the htc tytn, that is like 4 years ago?
my previous phones, Imate 6150, Imate 9500, Eten X800, Sony X1, Acer F900, and now Acer neotouch S200, just preorder Acer Liquid, and soon Sony X10. what does all these phones have in common? they all works on ATT USA 3G! HTC can take their junks and stick it u know where! haha
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The only reason to petition HTC is because their hardware is not junk. It's very high quality stuff. They just need to make a few important changes.

dont be a pushy! haha
be a man!
it' like eatting at resturant, you are not allow to eat until everyone is finished eatting! that is just a insult to USA users! i wouldnt be begging them to let you eat at the same time as every1 else. i go elsewhere! haha

Thanks for using the Roman 'U' / sarcasm

3G Radios
yep, fully agree. I buy a new phone per year, due to heavy usage, they are generally ready for the scrap heap. I live in USA, but have operations in EU, and Japan / South Korea and I only want one phone and one number, and push around large amounts of data. I have to have 2100 mghz for voice and data in Japan and Korea, 850/1900 in USA and while in EU, need the 1800/900 and now 2100 for 3G access there. As I said, I only want one device and one number to keep updated and ready.
Big pain that HTC and Nokia have decided not to blend the 3G radios in the same way we have quad band GSM services. The extra frequencies on the radios are minor costs, which I would gladly pay.
ATT also keeps HTC from adding the 3.5 mm audio out jack, due to their exclusive deal with Apple on the Iphone, which is ridiculous. These cheap little dongles are a pain to use and keep up with, since I use my tilt 2 as an MP3 player while flying, I have to keep up with another piece. I strongly prefer one device to have to carry chargers for while traveling, so my phone is my MP3 player, email device, voice device, and mobile gps device. I want ONE DEVICE that works everywhere and not be dependant on AT&T to decide what and when I will get what.
HTC has to be tied to these carriers by some contract or agreement and is likely lacking marketing infastructure to take their phones to market globally and feel some ties to these major carriers. Otherwise it makes no sense to cripple these new devices as they are doing.
My 3 cents worth.
MWS

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Big pain that HTC and Nokia have decided not to blend the 3G radios in the same way we have quad band GSM services. The extra frequencies on the radios are minor costs, which I would gladly pay.
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sony ericsson, and acer have no problems including USA 3g and EU 2100umts on their phone! retarded htc just dont want to! it like watching the new movie New Moon, you not allow to watch it until 6 months later! do u still get excited about New Moon 6 months later while every1 else already watched it? and Samsung is starting to wake up too! their lastest phone Omina II got USA 3g and 2100umts! (900/1900/2100umts)

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sony ericsson, and acer have no problems including USA 3g and EU 2100umts on their phone! retarded htc just dont want to! it like watching the new movie New Moon, you not allow to watch it until 6 months later! do u still get excited about New Moon 6 months later while every1 else already watched it? and Samsung is starting to wake up too! their lastest phone Omina II got USA 3g and 2100umts! (900/1900/2100umts)
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i second that..asus p835 also have us3g band

HTC exists to sell phones and make money.
If they wanted to sell phones that aren't carrier locked, it would have to be at full retail price ($500-600) and as a result MUCH less people would buy it. Plus HTC would have to open their own stores and such, or sell it only online.
The other option is to sell it through a carrier, but when you do that you're at the carriers mercy. And american carriers are scumbags when it comes to that.
For example, when the rest of the world uses the higher frequency that allows more users on the same tower and better speeds. America is still stuck with using ancient towers on ****ty frequencies...because carriers like AT&T are too cheap to upgrade it.
At the end of the day what do you think matters more to HTC (as a business), you deciding not to buy another phone from them (which would cost them very little, if anything, as it would be the carrier that sustains the loss) or them losing a multi-million dollar contract.

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HTC exists to sell phones and make money.
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so is any other cell phones makers. sony, acer, asus, and now samsung (with their latest omini II got USA 3G and 2100umts. you bought ATT iphone, you also get 2100umts, i believe LG Expo with 1G cpu also has usa 3g and 2100umts!
but if you bought a HTC garbage phone, it either 900/2100 or USA 3G only, no 2100umts !
update: maybe "garbage" is not the correct word, it' OLD JUNKS! but the time it get to usa, phone is already 6months old! would you want to see New moon in 6 months while every1 is watching it now? would you rather eat after every1 is finished eatting? you just eatting the left-over!

netnerd said:
so is any other cell phones makers. sony, acer, asus, and now samsung (with their latest omini II got USA 3G and 2100umts. you bought ATT iphone, you also get 2100umts, i believe LG Expo with 1G cpu also has usa 3g and 2100umts!
but if you bought a HTC garbage phone, it either 900/2100 or USA 3G only, no 2100umts !
update: maybe "garbage" is not the correct word, it' OLD JUNKS! but the time it get to usa, phone is already 6months old! would you want to see New moon in 6 months while every1 is watching it now? would you rather eat after every1 is finished eatting? you just eatting the left-over!
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What don't you understand about it not having anything to do with HTC?
HTC signs contracts with t-mobile, AT&T, verizon, sprint etc, which allows them to rebrand the phone and sell it ON THEIR SCHEDULE with the features/radios THEY WANT. As almost everyone in America is locked onto 2 year contracts, most will be unwilling to buy to a new phone at full retail price until their contract is over. Hence carriers will wait to stock up on new phones till a time when the majority of their subscribers will be nearing their time to upgrade.
This CAN affect their other phones as well, just depends on whats written on those contracts.
AT&T doesn't want you buying a phone and switching over to t-mobile. So they lock out the t-mobile 3G frequencies.
T-mobile doesn't want you buying a phone and switching over to AT&T. So they lock out the AT&T frequencies.
Verizon/Sprint, don't want you buying a global phone and switching to T-mobile/AT&T, so they lock out both those bands.
If carriers aren't giving a certain phone the 2100 frequency, it's probably because they sell a similar more expensive phone that is "global ready" and want you to buy that instead if you travel. (Like for example, the ATT touch diamond doesn't have the 2100 band. The ATT Touch Pro 2 DOES)
Sony Ericcson, and Acer don't sell their phones in America through a carrier so naturally they don't have to lock out the radios and can do whatever the hell they want.
What is so hard to get about this?
Yes HTC can make a new contract, but I highly doubt carriers will sign it.
And btw I wouldn't want to see new moon, because it's gotta be the worst movie ever and nor am I a 13 year old girl with no common sense.

Razorfold said:
AT&T doesn't want you buying a phone and switching over to t-mobile. So they lock out the t-mobile 3G frequencies.
T-mobile doesn't want you buying a phone and switching over to AT&T. So they lock out the AT&T frequencies.
Verizon/Sprint, don't want you buying a global phone and switching to T-mobile/AT&T, so they lock out both those bands.
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i dont want a ATT or Tmobile branded htc old junk! i'm talking about HTC unlocked phone that they purposely left out USA 3G on it!

[Q]Looking for a AT&T compatible Smart Phone I can get without a data plan

I have around $150 bucks I am willing to throw at a new phone.
I would like it to be able to use wifi, have a decent camera, and a physical qwerty keyboard.
Now I was reading some older threads that talked about buying an unlocked smart phone and then throwing your AT&T SIM into it and you would be good to go.
Is this still an option? Do you guys have any recommendations?
Thanks in advance for any advice you can provide, it is greatly appreciated!
I had my eye on the HTC S521.

Apo1ogetic said:
I have around $150 bucks I am willing to throw at a new phone.
I would like it to be able to use wifi, have a decent camera, and a physical qwerty keyboard.
Now I was reading some older threads that talked about buying an unlocked smart phone and then throwing your AT&T SIM into it and you would be good to go.
Is this still an option? Do you guys have any recommendations?
Thanks in advance for any advice you can provide, it is greatly appreciated!
I had my eye on the HTC S521.
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Any phone without AT&T branding will do. The way it works is they have a database of IMEI numebers of all the phones they sell. If the phone is not branded by them, it's not in their database, and therefore they wouldn't know what phone you're using. Try it out; When you get your new phone, pop in the SIM and log into your online account. Normally, it will show what phone you're using but now it should show a question mark or generic phone.

Product F(RED) said:
Any phone without AT&T branding will do. The way it works is they have a database of IMEI numebers of all the phones they sell. If the phone is not branded by them, it's not in their database, and therefore they wouldn't know what phone you're using. Try it out; When you get your new phone, pop in the SIM and log into your online account. Normally, it will show what phone you're using but now it should show a question mark or generic phone.
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Thanks a lot for explaining that! So any unlocked phone would work? I suppose I can't use a Sprint Branded Phone or something right? I guess my only other question left is do you have a recommendation for a solid phone for my price range? I don't need anything too fancy.
If you know of a website with reliable reviews of phones that would be appreciated as well.

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Thanks a lot for explaining that! So any unlocked phone would work? I suppose I can't use a Sprint Branded Phone or something right? I guess my only other question left is do you have a recommendation for a solid phone for my price range? I don't need anything too fancy.
If you know of a website with reliable reviews of phones that would be appreciated as well.
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The only Sprint phones that I know of that would work on AT&T (or T-Mobile) are the Blackberry Tour (but has no wifi), Blackberry Bold 9650 (the SIM slot comes unlocked by default), and the Touch Pro 2. The Blackberries would run on EDGE though, not 3G, but the Bold has wifi built in. [Sprint is CDMA, not GSM]
But that aside, do you care if it's a smartphone or not?
Usually CNET.com and Phonedog.com (Phonedog also has a YouTube channel) do good reviews.

Product F(RED) said:
The only Sprint phones that I know of that would work on AT&T (or T-Mobile) are the Blackberry Tour (but has no wifi), Blackberry Bold 9650 (the SIM slot comes unlocked by default), and the Touch Pro 2. The Blackberries would run on EDGE though, not 3G, but the Bold has wifi built in. [Sprint is CDMA, not GSM]
But that aside, do you care if it's a smartphone or not?
Usually CNET.com and Phonedog.com (Phonedog also has a YouTube channel) do good reviews.
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Basically I want the best bang for my buck while avoiding a mandatory data usage fee. I'm at college most the time and they have public WiFi spots that I can use.
The Touch Pro 2 really interested me but it was a bit pricey, although the Sprint Version is much cheaper. But I thought Sprint is only CDMA so how would that work with AT&T?

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Basically I want the best bang for my buck while avoiding a mandatory data usage fee. I'm at college most the time and they have public WiFi spots that I can use.
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Hmm...What about something like this? http://www.amazon.com/Nokia-Unlocke..._1_1?s=wireless&ie=UTF8&qid=1301901933&sr=1-1
$150 for an unlocked smartphone is rare but Nokia's usually fall within that price range and are really good. Just search "Nokia" on Amazon. Also, you can hit up Craigslist. I know that you can unlock Samsung Vibrants from T-Mobile because the code is actually store inside the phone. Most technologically-illiterate people sell them for cheap because they don't know what they're worth.
EDIT: Also, if you want a slight upgrade to that Nokia, check this out. It's a little over your price range but not by much: http://www.amazon.com/Nokia-Unlocked-QWERTY-Camera-Navigation/dp/B003X26SLC/ref=pd_cp_cps_1_img

Ok so I am using this site as a reference "gsmarena.com" and they give the HTC Touch Pro2 a 8.4 Average while the the Nokia E5 only gets a 7.5, is there something I'm missing? Because the Nokia phone seems to have much better specs.
Also what about installing a custom/modded OS on these. Would I have an easier time with the Nokia or Touch Pro? (I like the bigger keyboard of the Touch Pro2)
I'm also considering trying to snag a HTC HD2 off of Ebay for around 150 bucks if I can.

Apo1ogetic said:
Ok so I am using this site as a reference "gsmarena.com" and they give the HTC Touch Pro2 a 8.4 Average while the the Nokia E5 only gets a 7.5, is there something I'm missing? Because the Nokia phone seems to have much better specs.
Also what about installing a custom/modded OS on these. Would I have an easier time with the Nokia or Touch Pro? (I like the bigger keyboard of the Touch Pro2)
I'm also considering trying to snag a HTC HD2 off of Ebay for around 150 bucks if I can.
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As a rule, I prefer GSMArena for reviews and picture galleries, and ignore most else. Their Touch Pro 2 review will tell you a lot.
As far as custom OS' go, you'll want to steer very clear of Nokia if that's your intention. Their devices are built for Symbian (N900 excepted) and that's about it. The Touch Pro 2 has numerous builds of Android available, and came stock with Windows Mobile (not the new one).
Make four more posts and have a scour through the Marketplace here also, you'll find a good deal or two.
Good Luck!

Apo1ogetic said:
Ok so I am using this site as a reference "gsmarena.com" and they give the HTC Touch Pro2 a 8.4 Average while the the Nokia E5 only gets a 7.5, is there something I'm missing? Because the Nokia phone seems to have much better specs.
Also what about installing a custom/modded OS on these. Would I have an easier time with the Nokia or Touch Pro? (I like the bigger keyboard of the Touch Pro2)
I'm also considering trying to snag a HTC HD2 off of Ebay for around 150 bucks if I can.
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If you can get an HD2 off eBay, get it. It can run Android, Windows Phone 7, Windows Mobile 6.x, Ubuntu, Maemo, and a lot more. It's also equivalent, spec-wise to an Evo. Get it over the Touch Pro 2!.

Product F(RED) said:
If you can get an HD2 off eBay, get it. It can run Android, Windows Phone 7, Windows Mobile 6.x, Ubuntu, Maemo, and a lot more. It's also equivalent, spec-wise to an Evo. Get it over the Touch Pro 2!.
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Thanks for your help, I think the HTC HD2 at 150 is a pipe dream, but I'll keep looking haha.

juzz86 said:
As a rule, I prefer GSMArena for reviews and picture galleries, and ignore most else. Their Touch Pro 2 review will tell you a lot.
As far as custom OS' go, you'll want to steer very clear of Nokia if that's your intention. Their devices are built for Symbian (N900 excepted) and that's about it. The Touch Pro 2 has numerous builds of Android available, and came stock with Windows Mobile (not the new one).
Make four more posts and have a scour through the Marketplace here also, you'll find a good deal or two.
Good Luck!
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I'm guessing the Marketplace is hidden to me until I make 8 posts then?

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I'm guessing the Marketplace is hidden to me until I make 8 posts then?
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Not sure but you can definitely snag an HD2 off of eBay or Craigslist for cheap. People don't know what these things are worth.
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Product F(RED) said:
Not sure but you can definitely snag an HD2 off of eBay or Craigslist for cheap. People don't know what these things are worth.
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Ya they seem to be worth upwards of $400 bucks and I'm pretty sure I can get one for under $250, just not sure I want to spend that much...

Apo1ogetic said:
Ya they seem to be worth upwards of $400 bucks and I'm pretty sure I can get one for under $250, just not sure I want to spend that much...
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http://cgi.ebay.com/HTC-HD2-T-Mobil...Cell_Phones&hash=item1e62a66712#ht_500wt_1156

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http://cgi.ebay.com/HTC-HD2-T-Mobil...Cell_Phones&hash=item1e62a66712#ht_500wt_1156
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Thanks man, I'll be watching this and see how it develops tonight.

Blah that HD2 went for over 200 when you count shipping. I know that is still probably a good deal but more than I want to spend.
I'm also thinking of just getting the Tilt 2 now and going with the $15 data plan so I can take advantage of the 3G.

I just dumped ATT a couple of months ago and moved us over to Verizon with Droid X phones. Prior when I was on I was given 7 ATT BB 8300 phones by a friend when their company upgraded. for about a year all was fine. We were not using data on them so the small data plan from our old phones was fine. then about 6 months back every month I would get a txt from ATT saying that they had changed my data plan to an appropriate one for the phones. That was $25 a phone per month. Every month i would call and complain and they would tell me that they were removing it. then a few days later they would add it back again.
So be careful because ATT will add data plans on You.

TexanFW said:
I just dumped ATT a couple of months ago and moved us over to Verizon with Droid X phones. Prior when I was on I was given 7 ATT BB 8300 phones by a friend when their company upgraded. for about a year all was fine. We were not using data on them so the small data plan from our old phones was fine. then about 6 months back every month I would get a txt from ATT saying that they had changed my data plan to an appropriate one for the phones. That was $25 a phone per month. Every month i would call and complain and they would tell me that they were removing it. then a few days later they would add it back again.
So be careful because ATT will add data plans on You.
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Only if you use AT&T branded phones. If you don't, they won't know what phone you're using because it's not in their database.

Product F(RED) said:
Only if you use AT&T branded phones. If you don't, they won't know what phone you're using because it's not in their database.
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I'm having a hard time finding a decently priced phone that isn't AT&T but that will still work on AT&T's 3G. From my understanding neither the HD2 nor the Touch Pro 2 will do this.
Which is what has swayed me to just forking over the 15 a month and getting the Tilt 2 (Which if I'm not mistaken is the AT&T version of the Touch Pro 2)
I've already checked AT&T's site and this phone only requires 15 a month for a data plan.

Apo1ogetic said:
I'm having a hard time finding a decently priced phone that isn't AT&T but that will still work on AT&T's 3G. From my understanding neither the HD2 nor the Touch Pro 2 will do this.
Which is what has swayed me to just forking over the 15 a month and getting the Tilt 2 (Which if I'm not mistaken is the AT&T version of the Touch Pro 2)
I've already checked AT&T's site and this phone only requires 15 a month for a data plan.
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Yeah, I googled it and that's what AT&T decided to call it; The Tilt 2.

Will Nokia show a WP tomorrow?

Hope so...

Why not? SeaRay was already leaked so it should at least get a press release.

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1197224

wont be in US so really doesnt matter to me. Sad faise

I just want to hear about a CDMA device that will work on Sprint. But I have a feeling that's not going to happen anytime soon.

tiny17 said:
I just want to hear about a CDMA device that will work on Sprint. But I have a feeling that's not going to happen anytime soon.
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I'm on Verizon, we'll be the last to hear of CDMA based devices...

DavidinCT said:
I'm on Verizon, we'll be the last to hear of CDMA based devices...
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I seriously hate this. I have sprint and I am fed up with Android. And there is one wp7 available for sprint. Everyone says Mango, but where is the damn fruit already?
I don't want a small screen with a keyboard. If sprint doesn't get a better phone before/slightly after Christmas, I'm probably going to pick up the GSII.
The GSM carriers are loaded with various WP7 phones. Where is the love with CDMA?

Dj21o said:
I seriously hate this. I have sprint and I am fed up with Android. And there is one wp7 available for sprint. Everyone says Mango, but where is the damn fruit already?
I don't want a small screen with a keyboard. If sprint doesn't get a better phone before/slightly after Christmas, I'm probably going to pick up the GSII.
The GSM carriers are loaded with various WP7 phones. Where is the love with CDMA?
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Trust me, I feel your pain, there is only one device with Verizon...and I waited for ever for the base WP7 device.
The problem is that GSM covers about 85-90% of the world, not just the US.
When a company makes a phone for the global market, it will make the GSM models first because that is where the money is. After the profits start slowing down from the GSM models, then will go towards a CDMA market because there will be more profits to make.
Unless your carrier (Sprint in your case or Verizon in my case) wants a big OEM (HTC, Nokia, etc) to create them a custom phone for their network (and WP7 is not big enough for Sprint or vzw yet), you have to wait till the offer models and that does not show up for a year later.
Look at all the old flip phones, Moto for example, the razor, GSM had it over a year before CDMA carriers did, same deal.
So, if you want new phones on their release, you need to be with a GSM carrier or just wait, like most CDMA users have to....
I'm dreaming of a LTE (Verizon 4G) based WP7 device with a 4" SuperLCD/Super AMOLED display, a QWERTY keyboard, front camera with a good 10-12mp rear camera, dual core CPU and better GPU (for newer games), very slim design and a 2-3 day(real world) battery without making the phone huge. Who ever makes it, I'll buy it...
but, I guess one could dream......

That's y I left Sprint because of the lack of cdma love. Never will make that mistake again. T mobile service sucks in my area wish I had my DVP on Sprint Sero. But I hope Nokia shows us something today.
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Hope so...
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What else would they show, they've made it clear that it's WP7 or burst, they better have one.

When are they debuting it. I've been looking on pocketnow and haven't seen anything
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That's y I left Sprint because of the lack of cdma love.
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Yeah, wish I could leave Sprint, but $40 a month for unlimited data, text, mobile to mobile, nights and weekends, free roaming, 500 anytime. . . well you get the idea. As much as it pains me to not have as many hardware options, I don't feel as much pain when it comes to bill time.

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Trust me, I feel your pain, there is only one device with Verizon...and I waited for ever for the base WP7 device.
The problem is that GSM covers about 85-90% of the world, not just the US.
When a company makes a phone for the global market, it will make the GSM models first because that is where the money is. After the profits start slowing down from the GSM models, then will go towards a CDMA market because there will be more profits to make.
Unless your carrier (Sprint in your case or Verizon in my case) wants a big OEM (HTC, Nokia, etc) to create them a custom phone for their network (and WP7 is not big enough for Sprint or vzw yet), you have to wait till the offer models and that does not show up for a year later.
Look at all the old flip phones, Moto for example, the razor, GSM had it over a year before CDMA carriers did, same deal.
So, if you want new phones on their release, you need to be with a GSM carrier or just wait, like most CDMA users have to....
I'm dreaming of a LTE (Verizon 4G) based WP7 device with a 4" SuperLCD/Super AMOLED display, a QWERTY keyboard, front camera with a good 10-12mp rear camera, dual core CPU and better GPU (for newer games), very slim design and a 2-3 day(real world) battery without making the phone huge. Who ever makes it, I'll buy it...
but, I guess one could dream......
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I know this sucks lol. Do you think they will go towards CDMA this quarter or no? The phones are in high demand from what I've seen. People are just waiting.
I don't know, I might just go out and buy the arrive. Its just like the android shift, but with a tilting display and running WP7. I don't mind the 3.5" display, but coming from an EVO screen size, do you think that is too small or no?

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I know this sucks lol. Do you think they will go towards CDMA this quarter or no? The phones are in high demand from what I've seen. People are just waiting. ?
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No, unless Verizon/Sprint request(aka: Pay big $$$) for a custom phone, no, they wont rush out a model (Note: Carrier or MS, MS could request that CDMA phones are released on the same time).
Think about it, Sprint and Verizon are US companies only and on a global scale, CDMA accounts for around 10% but, I believe it's less. So Verizon and Sprint both combined would be about 4-6% of the worlds sold phones, if that. Even if everyone in Verizon and Sprint was requesting phones, would you as a company put all your effort to companies that account for less than 10% of your market ? I don't think so...
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I don't know, I might just go out and buy the arrive. Its just like the android shift, but with a tilting display and running WP7. I don't mind the 3.5" display, but coming from an EVO screen size, do you think that is too small or no?
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The 4.3" display ? Yea, it is a quite smaller and it might be too small for some people but, in the 3.5-3.8" is a good size for a phone that fits in your pocket.
Want my advice ? If you want WP7, pick up an Arrive off contract. You should be able to get one for under $300 (seen some used go on ebay for under $200 but, for the most part under $300, Just make sure you get one with a clean ESN). So if some new awsome model comes out for Sprint, you don't use up your 2 year contract and still can get a new phone.
That's what I did with my Trophy, still have a $100 credit towards a new phone and I'll hold it till there is a phone that I really want.
My Trophy is a nice phone and it will hold me out till then.....

tiny17 said:
Yeah, wish I could leave Sprint, but $40 a month for unlimited data, text, mobile to mobile, nights and weekends, free roaming, 500 anytime. . . well you get the idea. As much as it pains me to not have as many hardware options, I don't feel as much pain when it comes to bill time.
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Same sero plan I was on. Didn't help that my tp2 was almost non functional either. But I sure do miss my sero plan. Sprint service is better in my area than Tmobile. And I sure wasn't going to wait for that Tp3. I was not at all impressed with It so i just went and got the dvp with no contract.
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No, unless Verizon/Sprint request(aka: Pay big $$$) for a custom phone, no, they wont rush out a model (Note: Carrier or MS, MS could request that CDMA phones are released on the same time).
Think about it, Sprint and Verizon are US companies only and on a global scale, CDMA accounts for around 10% but, I believe it's less. So Verizon and Sprint both combined would be about 4-6% of the worlds sold phones, if that. Even if everyone in Verizon and Sprint was requesting phones, would you as a company put all your effort to companies that account for less than 10% of your market ? I don't think so...
The 4.3" display ? Yea, it is a quite smaller and it might be too small for some people but, in the 3.5-3.8" is a good size for a phone that fits in your pocket.
Want my advice ? If you want WP7, pick up an Arrive off contract. You should be able to get one for under $300 (seen some used go on ebay for under $200 but, for the most part under $300, Just make sure you get one with a clean ESN). So if some new awsome model comes out for Sprint, you don't use up your 2 year contract and still can get a new phone.
That's what I did with my Trophy, still have a $100 credit towards a new phone and I'll hold it till there is a phone that I really want.
My Trophy is a nice phone and it will hold me out till then.....
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Yeah that is a really good idea... CDMA phones are always last for everything. If I can pick one up for 200 or less, I'll just do that then. But hopefully one comes out by then.
If not, I guess I'll buy the GSII. Unless I can buy an unlocked trophy and use it on sprint? Is that possible? I don't really like physical keyboards.

The Arrive is a great phone - you will be happy with it, and the screen is big enough, especially since you have a nice keyboard.
But I imagine you are like me, and want a nice candybar form-factor, like the GSII. Hopefully Sprint will get one this holiday season, but until then, the Arrive is a very nice phone.

tiny17 said:
The Arrive is a great phone - you will be happy with it, and the screen is big enough, especially since you have a nice keyboard.
But I imagine you are like me, and want a nice candybar form-factor, like the GSII. Hopefully Sprint will get one this holiday season, but until then, the Arrive is a very nice phone.
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Yeah I am going to wait. I for sure do not want any other Android other than the GSII. I personally wish the hardware was up to date with WP7, but what can you do. At least it has a nice HD display.
Probably will check it out again tomorrow. I'm ready for a phone to actually "work" without a hassel of "oh **** I forgot the flash that fix", or "my battery is draining, I need to kill more apps, change kernels, switch CPU settings, blah blah blah blah blah."
Why are Androids even called "smartphones"? They have more problems than a farmer trying to grow crops in the winter. Its just pointless lol. I never play games, I go on facebook, (can't even sync anything = battery dead), check emails, and Reddit time to time.
WP7 would be perfect for me lol.

So, what happened to the Aug. 17th announcement?

tiny17 said:
So, what happened to the Aug. 17th announcement?
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nothing at all ...