Like many of you, I have been a loyal HTC customer since 2004 when I bought my first HTC product. I have been buying at least one new HTC product each year since then. However, beginning two or so year ago, HTC stopped selling unlocked phones with 3G Radios which worked in Europe and the U.S.
For example, a few years ago when the HTC TyTN came out, we U.S. customers could pay a bit of a premium and buy an unlocked HTC TyTN which had 3G radios which worked in the U.S. and Europe before the the HTC TyTN variant (Cingular 8525) officially came to the U.S. many months later. The same was true of the HTC TyTN II (AT&T Tilt or 8925).
Beginning with the HTC Rafael (AT&T Fuze) a couple years ago, the unlocked phones offered directly from HTC had no 3G radios for the U.S. Next, the HTC HD Blackstone and then the HTC Touch Pro 2 were offered unlocked, but without radios that could work on U.S. 3G networks.
This makes me very angry for several reasons. First, AT&T is undoubtedly the best GSM carrier stateside in terms of 3G coverage. (Hopefully T-Mobile will catch up someday). All U.S. customers (if they want 3G) have to wait for months to get the hot stuff. By the time the new device arrives, it's old news and out of date (the HTC Tilt 2 for example). AT&T will undoubtedly receive all the good stuff last because of its exclusivity with the I-Phone which makes all the other manufacturers want to release their new stuff elsewhere first. (I don't blame them for this.).
Secondly, AT&T's branding is absolutely atrocious. I'd like to get my hands on the idiot at AT&T who keeps screwing up perfectly good QWERTY keyboards with AT&T idiotic silver keys and insane layouts. The silver wears off and makes the keys hard to see in bright light. The layout is insane because they change the masterful HTC layouts and have even changed patters from their previous keyboards. The caps and function keys have been switched. Whoever is in charge of keyboard layout should be fired and not allowed to work in the industry again.
Business people who live in Europe and travel to the U.S. should be equally upset. Their expensive unlocked HTC products won't pick up a U.S. 3G signal.
Am I the only one who doesn't like this trend? I think not. We all need to band together and push HTC to putting a bunch of 3G radios in its products. Personally, I'd like to see some unlocked products which had the following 3G bands - 850/900/1700/1900/2100. Or what about 850/1700/1900/2100 so that it could be used on either AT&T or T-Mobile in the States and also in Europe? No, they cannot do that, the carriers would have to actually compete on quality of service and price rather than on what phone they have.
I suspect that the hardware is not a limitation. If it is the limitation, the manufacturers could make plug in modules that could go from one frequency set to another. I bet that the reason the radios are limited is due to the totally anti-competitive practices of the U.S. carriers.
This is total B.S. Every single HTC customer who travels between the U.S. and Europe should complain to HTC about this. Can we get some kind of joint letter, etc, going?
I'd be interested to hear all responses. I'm frankly fed up.
I'm personally pretty frustrated with this issue. AT&T really f*cks up their keyboards, and adds so much crap to their devices. I'd have thrown my Tilt and Tilt2 out the window if I hadn't learned about cooked ROMs. The keyboard is the absolute worst, though. Whoever at AT&T decides to ruin the otherwise great keyboards on the unlocked devices needs to be shot. And as you said, they decided to change the CAPS and FN key positions, after I already learned to type the opposite way for two years.
However, the antenna hardware is a limitation, in a sense. Meaning, you can't enable the US 3G bands on an unlocked device if they internal hardware antenna doesn't support it. In a podcast with Mobility Digest, one the legendary producers of HardSPL (Olipro) said that he's hacked radios and SPLs to allow all the frequencies to be utilized, and there was no signal, because the antenna hardware was not able to pick up the frequencies.
I think the real problem is the carriers. AT&T doesn't want people to buy an unlocked AT&T compatible phone that I can use without an expensive data plan that I'm locked into for 2 years. They also don't want me to buy a phone that also supports T-Mobile, so I can decide I don't like AT&T and take my phone with me, 3G coverage and all. So what AT&T does is pressure HTC not to release an unlocked version with their 3G frequencies supported. You're absolutely right when you say that quality of service should be the deciding factor in a network, not the phones they sell.
I went through and other frustrations with HTC and at one point I swore I'd never buy another HTC phone again. Then I went and bought an iPhone. Problem is, while the iPhone is a pretty sweet phone, AT&T is still the same scumbag company regardless of what phone you own and Apple is even WORSE than HTC. Unless you jailbreak the iPhone, you can't do anything interesting with it and you're totally at the mercy of Apple and AT&T as far as apps and what you can do with them. Take Slingplayer, for example. It works over wifi, period. I can get it to work over 3G if I jailbreak the phone and install a utility that makes it think it's using wifi, but how much longer is jailbreaking going to be available? Apple is going to great lengths to put an end to jailbreaking thought patching the exploits that allow it to work and legally by trying to make it illegal to jailbreak it. You can't use your own sounds for message notification, you can't customize the screen, you can't do a lot of things. So Apple and AT&T take a nice phone and totally f**k it up. And that's why I'm back to using an HTC phone. In the grand scheme of things, HTC and Microsoft are, by a wide margin, the lesser of the two evils when put against Apple and AT&T.
I understand that HTC has limited the hardware so that even with the right software, the phones won't pick up frequencies for which they don't have hardware or antennas. It cannot be a big deal.
Always the optimist, I believe that if everyone who used this forum wrote HTC a letter demanding that they start putting the hardware in their phones to operate on multiple 3G networks, something positive might happen.
HTC has it in their power to make and sell unlocked phones. Five years ago, you never saw HTC's name on the phones. It was always, Cingular, T-Mobile, Siemens, Audiovox, etc. Now you see HTC doing direct advertising in the U.S. However, I don't think it will have any effect. The ignorant masses are so I-Phone crazy. The name HTC doesn't mean thing to them.
Soon that I-Phone will be sold on all the U.S. networks. HTC could advertise directly and sell tons of phones if the phones were unlocked and worked on multiple 3G networks. This is one of the principles of "Net Neutrality". People hate to be tied to any certain network. This idea of locking the customer into a two year contact to get a stinking phone is outrageous. Sure, the initial outlay for the phone is small, but the carrier more than makes it back with high than needed data connection fees. In the end, the consumer gets the shaft.
If HTC offered an unlocked phones with U.S. & Europe 3G, I'd buy a new one every few months if the phones were any good. I want an HTC HD2 right now. I'd also like to try an HTC Hero in a GSM 3G too. But I'll have to wait several months and hope my carrier gets it.
Let's not sit back and let this sorry situation continue. Let's spread the word and go after the HTC and get the message out there.
I'm not Dissatisfied with htc in regards to travel. But I am Dissatisfied with htc in regards to OS Updates. I dont think that HTC should allow the updates to be Choosen by the carrieer.
Example: HTC Touch Pro some carrieers are updateing to 6.5 and others are not.. and what pisses me off is HTC Touch Pro was designed for 7 then MS decided to push the release date back. so ALL Touch Pros should get the 6.5 update and when 7 comes out they should also get the 7 update aswell..
I'm so tired of this.. yes XDA is a good place to go for the updates but I should not have to rely on xda to give me the update.
I sware my next phone is going to be the apple iPhone.
radio stacks as far as I see it is not something htc are making a range of
they make one for each device and then make newer versions to tweek or fix issues with the first ones
the newest should in general be applied
about 3g frequencies diff between usa and the rest of the world is hardware differences not radio stack differences
Rudegar said:
radio stacks as far as I see it is not something htc are making a range of
they make one for each device and then make newer versions to tweek or fix issues with the first ones
the newest should in general be applied
about 3g frequencies diff between usa and the rest of the world is hardware differences not radio stack differences
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The radio software is not the problem. It's the hardware. The hardware is deliberately made so that it only works on certain networks. I'm sure that cost and design are not the problem.
HTC needs to get back to devices that are true 3G 'world' phones! They have already lost a lot of the business folks!! Bring on the petition!!!
Agreed
I totally share your frustration. Similarly, due to heavy use I tend to buy a new phone yearly, Starting with Cingular 8150. I have many times purchased the same phone more than once, since no new devices were available when I needed a new phone. I am completely frustrated with being part of the largest consumer market in the world, yet only getting the latest technology more than a year after the rest of this planet. HTC has already lost an opportunity, by failing to fully and effectively advertise its products to Joe public, who was dazzled with the Iphone when it was first released. The fact remains that when we watched these Iphone adds, none of us was ever impressed with these features since they have been available to us for a long time with our HTC phones.
Rambo, I would like to encourage you to make a petition, as few of us are able to articulate this issue as well as you can and I would invite everyone to sign it, as a consumer block numbering in the thousands we can have our voices heard.
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HTC needs to get back to devices that are true 3G 'world' phones! They have already lost a lot of the business folks!! Bring on the petition!!!
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petition? just dont buy their garbage!
i havnt bought another htc since the htc tytn, that is like 4 years ago?
my previous phones, Imate 6150, Imate 9500, Eten X800, Sony X1, Acer F900, and now Acer neotouch S200, just preorder Acer Liquid, and soon Sony X10. what does all these phones have in common? they all works on ATT USA 3G! HTC can take their junks and stick it u know where! haha
netnerd said:
petition? just dont buy their garbage!
i havnt bought another htc since the htc tytn, that is like 4 years ago?
my previous phones, Imate 6150, Imate 9500, Eten X800, Sony X1, Acer F900, and now Acer neotouch S200, just preorder Acer Liquid, and soon Sony X10. what does all these phones have in common? they all works on ATT USA 3G! HTC can take their junks and stick it u know where! haha
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The only reason to petition HTC is because their hardware is not junk. It's very high quality stuff. They just need to make a few important changes.
dont be a pushy! haha
be a man!
it' like eatting at resturant, you are not allow to eat until everyone is finished eatting! that is just a insult to USA users! i wouldnt be begging them to let you eat at the same time as every1 else. i go elsewhere! haha
Thanks for using the Roman 'U' / sarcasm
3G Radios
yep, fully agree. I buy a new phone per year, due to heavy usage, they are generally ready for the scrap heap. I live in USA, but have operations in EU, and Japan / South Korea and I only want one phone and one number, and push around large amounts of data. I have to have 2100 mghz for voice and data in Japan and Korea, 850/1900 in USA and while in EU, need the 1800/900 and now 2100 for 3G access there. As I said, I only want one device and one number to keep updated and ready.
Big pain that HTC and Nokia have decided not to blend the 3G radios in the same way we have quad band GSM services. The extra frequencies on the radios are minor costs, which I would gladly pay.
ATT also keeps HTC from adding the 3.5 mm audio out jack, due to their exclusive deal with Apple on the Iphone, which is ridiculous. These cheap little dongles are a pain to use and keep up with, since I use my tilt 2 as an MP3 player while flying, I have to keep up with another piece. I strongly prefer one device to have to carry chargers for while traveling, so my phone is my MP3 player, email device, voice device, and mobile gps device. I want ONE DEVICE that works everywhere and not be dependant on AT&T to decide what and when I will get what.
HTC has to be tied to these carriers by some contract or agreement and is likely lacking marketing infastructure to take their phones to market globally and feel some ties to these major carriers. Otherwise it makes no sense to cripple these new devices as they are doing.
My 3 cents worth.
MWS
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Big pain that HTC and Nokia have decided not to blend the 3G radios in the same way we have quad band GSM services. The extra frequencies on the radios are minor costs, which I would gladly pay.
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sony ericsson, and acer have no problems including USA 3g and EU 2100umts on their phone! retarded htc just dont want to! it like watching the new movie New Moon, you not allow to watch it until 6 months later! do u still get excited about New Moon 6 months later while every1 else already watched it? and Samsung is starting to wake up too! their lastest phone Omina II got USA 3g and 2100umts! (900/1900/2100umts)
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sony ericsson, and acer have no problems including USA 3g and EU 2100umts on their phone! retarded htc just dont want to! it like watching the new movie New Moon, you not allow to watch it until 6 months later! do u still get excited about New Moon 6 months later while every1 else already watched it? and Samsung is starting to wake up too! their lastest phone Omina II got USA 3g and 2100umts! (900/1900/2100umts)
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i second that..asus p835 also have us3g band
HTC exists to sell phones and make money.
If they wanted to sell phones that aren't carrier locked, it would have to be at full retail price ($500-600) and as a result MUCH less people would buy it. Plus HTC would have to open their own stores and such, or sell it only online.
The other option is to sell it through a carrier, but when you do that you're at the carriers mercy. And american carriers are scumbags when it comes to that.
For example, when the rest of the world uses the higher frequency that allows more users on the same tower and better speeds. America is still stuck with using ancient towers on ****ty frequencies...because carriers like AT&T are too cheap to upgrade it.
At the end of the day what do you think matters more to HTC (as a business), you deciding not to buy another phone from them (which would cost them very little, if anything, as it would be the carrier that sustains the loss) or them losing a multi-million dollar contract.
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HTC exists to sell phones and make money.
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so is any other cell phones makers. sony, acer, asus, and now samsung (with their latest omini II got USA 3G and 2100umts. you bought ATT iphone, you also get 2100umts, i believe LG Expo with 1G cpu also has usa 3g and 2100umts!
but if you bought a HTC garbage phone, it either 900/2100 or USA 3G only, no 2100umts !
update: maybe "garbage" is not the correct word, it' OLD JUNKS! but the time it get to usa, phone is already 6months old! would you want to see New moon in 6 months while every1 is watching it now? would you rather eat after every1 is finished eatting? you just eatting the left-over!
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so is any other cell phones makers. sony, acer, asus, and now samsung (with their latest omini II got USA 3G and 2100umts. you bought ATT iphone, you also get 2100umts, i believe LG Expo with 1G cpu also has usa 3g and 2100umts!
but if you bought a HTC garbage phone, it either 900/2100 or USA 3G only, no 2100umts !
update: maybe "garbage" is not the correct word, it' OLD JUNKS! but the time it get to usa, phone is already 6months old! would you want to see New moon in 6 months while every1 is watching it now? would you rather eat after every1 is finished eatting? you just eatting the left-over!
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What don't you understand about it not having anything to do with HTC?
HTC signs contracts with t-mobile, AT&T, verizon, sprint etc, which allows them to rebrand the phone and sell it ON THEIR SCHEDULE with the features/radios THEY WANT. As almost everyone in America is locked onto 2 year contracts, most will be unwilling to buy to a new phone at full retail price until their contract is over. Hence carriers will wait to stock up on new phones till a time when the majority of their subscribers will be nearing their time to upgrade.
This CAN affect their other phones as well, just depends on whats written on those contracts.
AT&T doesn't want you buying a phone and switching over to t-mobile. So they lock out the t-mobile 3G frequencies.
T-mobile doesn't want you buying a phone and switching over to AT&T. So they lock out the AT&T frequencies.
Verizon/Sprint, don't want you buying a global phone and switching to T-mobile/AT&T, so they lock out both those bands.
If carriers aren't giving a certain phone the 2100 frequency, it's probably because they sell a similar more expensive phone that is "global ready" and want you to buy that instead if you travel. (Like for example, the ATT touch diamond doesn't have the 2100 band. The ATT Touch Pro 2 DOES)
Sony Ericcson, and Acer don't sell their phones in America through a carrier so naturally they don't have to lock out the radios and can do whatever the hell they want.
What is so hard to get about this?
Yes HTC can make a new contract, but I highly doubt carriers will sign it.
And btw I wouldn't want to see new moon, because it's gotta be the worst movie ever and nor am I a 13 year old girl with no common sense.
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AT&T doesn't want you buying a phone and switching over to t-mobile. So they lock out the t-mobile 3G frequencies.
T-mobile doesn't want you buying a phone and switching over to AT&T. So they lock out the AT&T frequencies.
Verizon/Sprint, don't want you buying a global phone and switching to T-mobile/AT&T, so they lock out both those bands.
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i dont want a ATT or Tmobile branded htc old junk! i'm talking about HTC unlocked phone that they purposely left out USA 3G on it!
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Looking for a good online shop in the US that sells unlocked phones.
I know Expansys is great, but their selection of phones for the US is abysmal.
(Try finding an unlocked phone that supports US 3G! Ha!)
Any other REPUTABLE shops?
eBay is a very good choice for online shops
there is cellhut.com also, but i haven't bought anything from them.
Remember to put the url tags
Cell Hut
CellHut doesn't seem to sell US 3G devices. so they are out/crap.
Huh, I think that a Google search can help you very much
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Huh, I think that a Google search can help you very much
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Sadly not.
Try it.
Huh. Yeah, this is one of the times that Google doesn't help
big phone selections but you have to stop to deal with price in shop ( usaly 10-20 % down of price ) gandhiappliances http://www.gandhiappliances.com/
or popularelect http://www.popularelect.com/
www.mobilecity.com
www.xpansys.com
lakeg said:
big phone selections but you have to stop to deal with price in shop ( usaly 10-20 % down of price ) gandhiappliances http://www.gandhiappliances.com/
or popularelect http://www.popularelect.com/
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Thanks.
Too bad only that these fvcktards all sell european versions of phones which do not work with US 3G.
http://www.onthegosolutions.com/
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http://www.onthegosolutions.com/
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Not bad - like how they at least declare which phones are US 3g and which aren't.
They do have the Magic and the Hero but both are overpriced by about $100.
No Acer Liquid (which is the phone I have my eye on, now that it is out)
The best place that beats any other onlines store in the US or EU that I've used is Clove.co.uk.
The reason that you're not finding ANY phones with US 3G is because no manufacturer sells any phones unlocked in the US market. (Except for a select few phones) For that try BestBuy.com or go to a Best Buy in person. They are expensive and they only support AT&T 3G.
The point is, finiding an Unlocked phone you want with US 3G will be tough. Rumors are that the Sony X10 will have T-Mo US 3G. Until Manufacturers start making Quadband 3G unlocked phones you will be stuck with edge. Right now that's the price you pay for buying a phone that the US market won't see ever (or for atleast 6 months) and not being under contract. I think that's still a deal.
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So if you really want 3G, sign another contract and get a phone from the carrier. Right now that's the only way. Don't yuo wish the US used EU's Carrier System here and their 3G bands?
Fix: Let me fix something. Looks like they need to make phones that have 5 or 6 3G Bands in order to be true 3G World phones. They would be 800/850/900/1700/1900/2100
1900/2100 for Europe/Asia
850/1900 for AT&T
800/850/1900/2100 for Japan but mainly 1900/2100
and 1700/2100 for T-Mo US
900 for Australia and other.
So if you want an unlocked 3G phone make sure it has the 850/1900 bands if you have AT&T or the 1700/2100 if you use T-MO. Just because they state the phone has US 3G does not mean it will work on your carrier.
HTC Touch Freak said:
The best place that beats any other onlines store in the US or EU that I've used is Clove.co.uk.
The reason that you're not finding ANY phones with US 3G is because no manufacturer sells any phones unlocked in the US market. (Except for a select few phones) For that try BestBuy.com or go to a Best Buy in person. They are expensive and they only support AT&T 3G.
The point is, finiding an Unlocked phone you want with US 3G will be tough. Rumors are that the Sony X10 will have T-Mo US 3G. Until Manufacturers start making Quadband 3G unlocked phones you will be stuck with edge. Right now that's the price you pay for buying a phone that the US market won't see ever (or for atleast 6 months) and not being under contract. I think that's still a deal.
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So if you really want 3G, sign another contract and get a phone from the carrier. Right now that's the only way. Don't yuo wish the US used EU's Carrier System here and their 3G bands?
Fix: Let me fix something. Looks like they need to make phones that have 5 or 6 3G Bands in order to be true 3G World phones. They would be 800/850/900/1700/1900/2100
1900/2100 for Europe/Asia
850/1900 for AT&T
800/850/1900/2100 for Japan but mainly 1900/2100
and 1700/2100 for T-Mo US
900 for Australia and other.
So if you want an unlocked 3G phone make sure it has the 850/1900 bands if you have AT&T or the 1700/2100 if you use T-MO. Just because they state the phone has US 3G does not mean it will work on your carrier.
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I know.
Which is why I am looking for 850/1900/2100 phones.
The primary reason (if you ask me) why you don't see many unlocked phones being sold is twofold:
1. Price
2. Most stores are fvcktards: they don't even know that they are selling a 'crippled' phone even if you point it out to them.
Good examples are the 3 phones I have been looking at recently: HTC Hero and Magic as well as the Acer A1.
The majority of stores will happily sell you a EURO phone without telling you that it won't work. The ones that have the NAM version, will sell it to you for $100-$150 'over price'.
I am even willing to give them some leeway, since Hero and Magic are carrier bound in the US and HTC might not be allowed to ship the NAM version to US stores (making it more difficult/expensive for stores to sell them [not sure if that is legal though]).
What pisses me off big time (and proves that stores are absolute fvcktards) are phones, like the Acer A1, which are not bound to a carrier and will never get sold in the US unless they are sold as unlocked phones. Those stupid dickheads at the stores can't even sell that phone with the proper model in the proper market and the morons at the manufacturers spend millions on advertising/publicity but then can't even get products into stores!
I agree ALL GSM phones should have quad-gsm and quad-3G frequencies.
So last but not least it is also the phone manufacturers fault, since they should build quad-GSM/3G phones!
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I know.
Which is why I am looking for 850/1900/2100 phones.
The primary reason (if you ask me) why you don't see many unlocked phones being sold is twofold:
1. Price
2. Most stores are fvcktards: they don't even know that they are selling a 'crippled' phone even if you point it out to them.
Good examples are the 3 phones I have been looking at recently: HTC Hero and Magic as well as the Acer A1.
The majority of stores will happily sell you a EURO phone without telling you that it won't work. The ones that have the NAM version, will sell it to you for $100-$150 'over price'.
I am even willing to give them some leeway, since Hero and Magic are carrier bound in the US and HTC might not be allowed to ship the NAM version to US stores (making it more difficult/expensive for stores to sell them [not sure if that is legal though]).
What pisses me off big time (and proves that stores are absolute fvcktards) are phones, like the Acer A1, which are not bound to a carrier and will never get sold in the US unless they are sold as unlocked phones. Those stupid dickheads at the stores can't even sell that phone with the proper model in the proper market and the morons at the manufacturers spend millions on advertising/publicity but then can't even get products into stores!
I agree ALL GSM phones should have quad-gsm and quad-3G frequencies.
So last but not least it is also the phone manufacturers fault, since they should build quad-GSM/3G phones!
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I wouldn't blame the stores on anything. Yes they know they are not selling a NAM 3G compatible device but it will work on edge. It's not their fault that it only woks on edge in NA. Blame the manufacturer.
Phones like the G1, and magic you can get with US bands but they are only T-Mo US 3G bands. (I have yet to see an AT&T one Besides the phone from Rogers) I have not seen an Unlocked Hero with NAM bands. If there was one It'd be in my pocket.
Again, Most of the unlocked phones that you are seeing that have NAM 3G are either T-mobile only or AT&T only. So you still have to be catious when you buy the phone. The US sellers that sell unlocked phones are selling the exact same EU/Asian unlocked phones that the EU sites are selling. Why? Because that's all there is to sell. And typically the US sites sell the phones at a higher price because they can.
Clove.Co.UK I got my Topaz the day it came out and it cost me $520 USD shipped (From the UK to CO). Other US based sites had the phone for $580+ excluding shipping.
My final word is that we all should send E-mails to HTC Worldwide stating that we want phones with True World 3G compatibility. We refuse to buy carrier branded phones and need the extra bands for personal and buisness use when traveling abroad. Even the EU and Asain Versions should come with "World 3G" bands. They do travel to the US and having 3G work here benifits productivity. Heck even users of branded US phones travel to EU/Asia for buisness and not having their 3G effects their productivity which in turns slows down world productivity and in the end hurts the world economy because someone had to wait 40 more seconds to DL something.
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I wouldn't blame the stores on anything. Yes they know they are not selling a NAM 3G compatible device but it will work on edge. It's not their fault that it only woks on edge in NA. Blame the manufacturer.
Phones like the G1, and magic you can get with US bands but they are only T-Mo US 3G bands. (I have yet to see an AT&T one Besides the phone from Rogers) I have not seen an Unlocked Hero with NAM bands. If there was one It'd be in my pocket.
Again, Most of the unlocked phones that you are seeing that have NAM 3G are either T-mobile only or AT&T only. So you still have to be catious when you buy the phone. The US sellers that sell unlocked phones are selling the exact same EU/Asian unlocked phones that the EU sites are selling. Why? Because that's all there is to sell. And typically the US sites sell the phones at a higher price because they can.
Clove.Co.UK I got my Topaz the day it came out and it cost me $520 USD shipped (From the UK to CO). Other US based sites had the phone for $580+ excluding shipping.
My final word is that we all should send E-mails to HTC Worldwide stating that we want phones with True World 3G compatibility. We refuse to buy carrier branded phones and need the extra bands for personal and buisness use when traveling abroad. Even the EU and Asain Versions should come with "World 3G" bands. They do travel to the US and having 3G work here benifits productivity. Heck even users of branded US phones travel to EU/Asia for buisness and not having their 3G effects their productivity which in turns slows down world productivity and in the end hurts the world economy because someone had to wait 40 more seconds to DL something.
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I absolutely blame the stores (as well as the manufacturers) and you should too! The HTC Magic and the HTC Hero are not only made with US 3G bands ... you can even buy them unlocked in certain stores (usually for $100-$150 more than the EU version). Do your research!
(e.g. unlocked Hero w. at&t 3G: http://www.importgsm.com/product.php?productid=660&cat=0&page=1)
But it's not only phones like the Magic/Hero (which after all are sold in the US carrier bound) - the same is true for phones that are not bound to a US carrier (e.g. Acer A1, Acer F1, certain Nokia phones, ...).
There is no reason why US (online) stores (or even the manufacturers) can't sell those unlocked at full retail price.
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I absolutely blame the stores (as well as the manufacturers) and you should too! The HTC Magic and the HTC Hero are not only made with US 3G bands ... you can even buy them unlocked in certain stores (usually for $100-$150 more than the EU version). Do your research!
(e.g. unlocked Hero w. at&t 3G: http://www.importgsm.com/product.php?productid=660&cat=0&page=1)
But it's not only phones like the Magic/Hero (which after all are sold in the US carrier bound) - the same is true for phones that are not bound to a US carrier (e.g. Acer A1, Acer F1, certain Nokia phones, ...).
There is no reason why US (online) stores (or even the manufacturers) can't sell those unlocked at full retail price.
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Dude Research. That is not an Unlocked Hero. That is a Branded Rogers and/or Telus Hero. Which is LOCKED. You have to buy it from Telus/Rogers Unlock it then use it on AT&T. If a store online wanted to sell it Unlocked they have a right to sell it to you for $150 more than an unlocked EU version.
Just look at the facts. This is AMERICA. The phone companies will not sell you a phone they carry and your carrier doesn't. It's called competition and Greed. They lock you in to a contract and "make" you use their phones that they want to carry.
In EU carriers don't care. I'll use US carriers as an example of how they work and we should to. I have T-Mo. I want the HD2 and only AT&T carries it. I would walk into the AT&T store and say I wan't the HD2 unlocked. I pay full price pop in my sim and go. Easy as that.
But the US carriers want you locked down. Hence the reason the companies are using different 3G bands than the rest of the world. It's stupid so don't blame the stores that just sell the phone or the manufacturers then. Blame AMERICA.
Mebe you should do the research and READ.
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Dude Research. That is not an Unlocked Hero. That is a Branded Rogers and/or Telus Hero. Which is LOCKED. You have to buy it from Telus/Rogers Unlock it then use it on AT&T. If a store online wanted to sell it Unlocked they have a right to sell it to you for $150 more than an unlocked EU version.
Just look at the facts. This is AMERICA. The phone companies will not sell you a phone they carry and your carrier doesn't. It's called competition and Greed. They lock you in to a contract and "make" you use their phones that they want to carry.
In EU carriers don't care. I'll use US carriers as an example of how they work and we should to. I have T-Mo. I want the HD2 and only AT&T carries it. I would walk into the AT&T store and say I wan't the HD2 unlocked. I pay full price pop in my sim and go. Easy as that.
But the US carriers want you locked down. Hence the reason the companies are using different 3G bands than the rest of the world. It's stupid so don't blame the stores that just sell the phone or the manufacturers then. Blame AMERICA.
Mebe you should do the research and READ.
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Maybe YOU should do your research, 'tard!
http://www.negrielectronics.com/product_info.php?products_id=3036
And by the way - great argument why stores are not selling NAM versions of phones THAT AREN'T BOUND TO ANY CARRIER!!!!!!!!!
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Maybe YOU should do your research, 'tard!
http://www.negrielectronics.com/product_info.php?products_id=3036
And by the way - great argument why stores are not selling NAM versions of phones THAT AREN'T BOUND TO ANY CARRIER!!!!!!!!!
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Bah ha ha ha. Alll that is, is a rogers Hero. I wouldn't be surprised if it had the Rogers logos and software on it. Heck for that much they probably flashed a stock rom and ereased the logo. Not that hard to do you know. 'TARD
http://www.instructables.com/id/How-to-remove-Logos-from-your-PDA--cell-phone-wit/
There are other more profesional ways to do this. Find them yourself. HTC has no Hero for the US Unlocked or locke. If they did Bestbuy would be selling it. And obviously it only has AT&T 3G which happens to be the same frequencies Rogers uses. Derrrr.
I currently have the Touch Cruise. I like... I like it a lot actually but my job is starting to grow me out of this phone (memory size, etc...)
I look specifically for HTC phones because:
1: Winmo... it's very flexible and there's apps out there for pretty much everything
2: unbranded HTC means I pay $15 for the same internet connection as those who pay $30. save myself $15 a month x, say.... 24 months or even 36, that's big money saved.
so what are you sporting?
I would be rocking a tilt 2, but my blueangel decided to disappear on me right when the pure came out, so I ended up with that. My recommendation is definately the tilt 2 for winmo, although blueangel's are great except for lack of 3g and camera. found mine btw
Well I just bought a Tilt 2 (and this is my first ever smartphone) and so far I love it. I have played around with the iPhone...but I am an avid hater for anything MAC or connected to Steve Jobs. I am still learning the Tilt and really don't have any complaints.
Sucessors the N1?
I'm also on AT&T, and I'd like to know if anyone can suggest an upgrade from the Nexus One for AFEE&FEE's 3g bands. As the OP put it, I enjoy spending $15 for internet as opposed to $30+ for the same product.
A) I prefer Android over WinMo but will give it a chance if the device seems compelling (my last Winmo was the Fuze)...but I dont want to be deadended at 6.5. I've had two Symbian S60s, 4 WinMos, 2 N1s, and an iPhone 3g. Are the Maemo devices from Nokia any fun?
B) I don't "despise" Apple or the iPhone 4g/HD/whatev but the microsim and buggering on price will be a dealbreaker if I can't find/make an adapter to fit all my other phones. IMEI/rate plan swaps are a pain.
C) I don't care for the AT&T android offerings and see them as a BIG step down from the N1. I want something with specs/hardware like the Incredible or EVO 4g (I know about the 3g/4g network difference...I mean features). Hardware keyboard isn't a dealbreaker either way.
D) I prefer carrier unlocked phones. My last phone was a nokia N85, which sets the gold standard to me for feature phones. I have no qualms paying the premium for a quality, TOTALLY MINE device. I actually prefer it over being stuck in contract. Plus the more "exotic" the phone, the less likely I am to get an AT&T nastygram text saying "You're now on our gigabuck smartphone unlim plan, YOU'RE WELCOME, SUCKA"
In summation-
Feature set >Nexus One, on AT&T's 3g bands, cost isnt a factor up front. Thanks for reading, thank you very much for replying.
Go for the Nexus One. You can buy it from Google. It's better than the Iphone, and as free and customizable as WinMo, without the downside of, well, everything.
Not sayin' I hate WinMo, it's just I hate it. It's slow, it's crummy, it's ugly. Android is by far the most superior mobile operating system out there.
If you don't want to spend the money for the Nexus One, just wait a couple months till more Android phones come out. Just know AT&T is locking down alot of their carrier-sold Android phones. Search long enough on the webz and you'll find a way to break 'em free, but why do that when the Nexus One is just there for the taking?
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Go for the Nexus One. You can buy it from Google. It's better than the Iphone, and as free and customizable as WinMo, without the downside of, well, everything.
Not sayin' I hate WinMo, it's just I hate it. It's slow, it's crummy, it's ugly. Android is by far the most superior mobile operating system out there.
If you don't want to spend the money for the Nexus One, just wait a couple months till more Android phones come out. Just know AT&T is locking down alot of their carrier-sold Android phones. Search long enough on the webz and you'll find a way to break 'em free, but why do that when the Nexus One is just there for the taking?
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I have 2 N1s. AWS (early adopter syndrome and now the 850 edition. I'm asking after the N1, what's on the horizon to upgrade to? The CDMA carriers are all getting newer androids, but I notice a lack of anything droolworthy to replace my current N1.
I'd say get the Tilt 2. It's by far my favorite phone I've had from AT&T so far.
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I'd say get the Tilt 2. It's by far my favorite phone I've had from AT&T so far.
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Im looking for a phone with specs superior to the nexus. And not in the at&t system.
For recent WM that fully support AT&T's 850 & 1900 3G, there are Tilt2, D2, and Sony X1a. I currently stick with my X1a because:
1. Tilt2 is nice with big screen but Widcomm BT stack has a lot of problem with A2DP (e.g. system volume not working). And XDA's TMC project does not support it.
2. D2 has way too few hardware buttons compare to X1, and missing 3.5mm audio jack too.
3. X1a is not sold under AT&T (so it's pricey), so AT&T has no way to figure out your device type by IMEI (even I didn't have issue with my $20 medianet plan with Tilt 1 for years).
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For recent WM that fully support AT&T's 850 & 1900 3G, there are Tilt2, D2, and Sony X1a. I currently stick with my X1a because:
1. Tilt2 is nice with big screen but Widcomm BT stack has a lot of problem with A2DP (e.g. system volume not working). And XDA's TMC project does not support it.
2. D2 has way too few hardware buttons compare to X1, and missing 3.5mm audio jack too.
3. X1a is not sold under AT&T (so it's pricey), so AT&T has no way to figure out your device type by IMEI (even I didn't have issue with my $20 medianet plan with Tilt 1 for years).
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Don't forget X2a which is now available in the States
Telstra HD2
I think if you require Win-Mo with Nexus One specifications... then the HD2 from Telstra is about your only option. That would enable 3G (850mhz) and give you an IMEI not within AT&T's system!
i'm trying to avoid an AT&T IMEI phone or worse: their bloatware!!!
i mean, i can always bring it to a place that can change the... **** so it doesn't show up on the sweep.
but the bloatware annoys me more.
get a nexus one!
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I think if you require Win-Mo with Nexus One specifications... then the HD2 from Telstra is about your only option. That would enable 3G (850mhz) and give you an IMEI not within AT&T's system!
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This.
If you are looking for the almighty Harbinger of Windows Mobile, the one device that shows all the other pretenders that HTC is a force to be reckoned with, the HD2 is currently that device.
The Telstra HD2 T9193 works perfectly with AT&T 850MHz HSDPA. I get a solid H signal all day long. If your heart is set on Windows Mobile and performance, it is the only phone to consider.
Its only weakness is its exorbitant, extraterrestrial price. But you pay for the best.
FTR the Nexus One has comparable hardware but:
1. It's not Windows Mobile
2. The Nexus One's screen loses in both size and effective resolution (but wins in brightness and contrast)
3. The Nexus One has 64MB less hardware RAM
4. T-Mobile Nexus Ones have already had their IMEIs compromised and are automatically provisioned $30 smartphone data on AT&T. It's quite possible that AT&T Nexus Ones will not be able to stay under AT&T's radar for very long, so good luck holding on to the $15 unlimited plan for the long-term.
from what ive learned with att is that it dont really matter what phone you have if you use it on there system it will identify the type of phone (smart phone, average cell what ever it is) seeing how my family has had att sence bag phones was the newest thing out there and ive used a few phone that att dosent offer or sell and everytime ive tried to do it with out adding the data package and within a day ive recived a txt saying to use this phone you need to add a data package and att dosent really care what phone you have aslong as your bill is paided
get out of att get the evo... thats what you should do
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get out of att get the evo... thats what you should do
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OP wants WinMo.
OP wants to pay $15/month for data.
Android + $40/month data? You serious?
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from what ive learned with att is that it dont really matter what phone you have if you use it on there system it will identify the type of phone (smart phone, average cell what ever it is) seeing how my family has had att sence bag phones was the newest thing out there and ive used a few phone that att dosent offer or sell and everytime ive tried to do it with out adding the data package and within a day ive recived a txt saying to use this phone you need to add a data package and att dosent really care what phone you have aslong as your bill is paided
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I wasn't caught on my Motorola Milestone (Telus version with 850/1900 HSDPA) or my current HD2. I'm still using a dumbphone plan.
Do y'all think they will eventually make a Nexus S for 850 and 1900 3G bands like they did for the Nexus One?
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Hard to say... it'd make sense if they want to market it to UK and Canadian users, since more of their carriers use the bands AT&T does for 3G. Even if they do, it's not gonna make me jump from my N1. I'm perfectly happy with it, and I personally don't care for the Nexus S.
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Hard to say... it'd make sense if they want to market it to UK and Canadian users, since more of their carriers use the bands AT&T does for 3G. Even if they do, it's not gonna make me jump from my N1. I'm perfectly happy with it, and I personally don't care for the Nexus S.
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Regarding UK carriers - wrong. The Nexus S already has UMTS 2100 which is used UK-wide, and UMTS 900 which is about to gain greater adoption in the UK. No carrier in Europe uses AT&T's bands.
But regarding Canadian carriers, yes, it'd make sense to produce a UMTS 850/1900 version. That doesn't mean it's incredibly likely to happen.
Well I hope it does! Everyone is really downing the phone and theyve never even held it! Google put their name on it so I bet its way better than people are making it out to be
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I hope so too
I will surely jump from my Nexus One
I love it, but a change of looks would be nice
Here's to hoping there's a software hack like the one they had for the Vibrant's 850 MHz band.
While I have no first hand knowledge what so ever, if Google/handset manufacturer work on the same time line as the N1, after a period of time they will release a North American 3G variant of the Nexus S.
Quite frankly, I wonder why TMo seems to always get the Google Experience Phone, do most developers use TMo?
While I have no issues with TMo other than that they are not real big in my area of the USA, I cannot help but wonder why not either put a pentaband chip-set in the phone (which supports all Frequencies) or offer two variants right off the bat.
It just seems weird to me is all, I realize that El Goog probably has a good reason, but if sales are a key driving force why not offer it to more potential users and not just to users on the USA smallest network.
Dan
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While I have no first hand knowledge what so ever, if Google/handset manufacturer work on the same time line as the N1, after a period of time they will release a North American 3G variant of the Nexus S.
Quite frankly, I wonder why TMo seems to always get the Google Experience Phone, do most developers use TMo?
While I have no issues with TMo other than that they are not real big in my area of the USA, I cannot help but wonder why not either put a pentaband chip-set in the phone (which supports all Frequencies) or offer two variants right off the bat.
It just seems weird to me is all, I realize that El Goog probably has a good reason, but if sales are a key driving force why not offer it to more potential users and not just to users on the USA smallest network.
Dan
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Because they don't care? Google and Samsung are both corporations that serve to make their shareholders $$$, not keep us happy. Seriously. How many 850 MHz Nexus Ones did Google sell? Four? It's a ****ing shame because that phone @ at&t when it came out was really only up against the iPhone 3GS - it had no retail presence, and failed. Someone in some marketing office is confusing causation & correlation - their unsubsidized, unmarketable phone didn't sell.
They messed up again, the phone is still only being sold unsubsidized. Nobody buys unsubsidized phones in America (statistically speaking).
EDIT: I have an 850 MHz Nexus One - release day. I haven't seen a single phone on the market to make me even consider switching out. Consequence of dropping unsubsidized cash on a phone I guess.
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Here's to hoping there's a software hack like the one they had for the Vibrant's 850 MHz band.
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That was a false positive. The TMobile Vibrant has 1900 3g but it's never had 850.
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Because they don't care? Google and Samsung are both corporations that serve to make their shareholders $$$, not keep us happy. Seriously. How many 850 MHz Nexus Ones did Google sell? Four? It's a ****ing shame because that phone @ at&t when it came out was really only up against the iPhone 3GS - it had no retail presence, and failed. Someone in some marketing office is confusing causation & correlation - their unsubsidized, unmarketable phone didn't sell.
They messed up again, the phone is still only being sold unsubsidized. Nobody buys unsubsidized phones in America (statistically speaking).
EDIT: I have an 850 MHz Nexus One - release day. I haven't seen a single phone on the market to make me even consider switching out. Consequence of dropping unsubsidized cash on a phone I guess.
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The Nexus S is being sold @ a subsidized price: $199 w/ contract
Google and Samsung do serve to make money for shareholders, but Google does so primarily by making people happy, that is why their services are mostly free. Happy customers are Google's commodity.
About the AT&T 3G bands: I got an "i don't know" from a Google Software developer this morning on Twitter, so doubtful it will be around the Tmobile launch, but I don't think there is any question with the phone being sold in Best Buy and the way Samsung handled the Galaxy, it won't be too long
If there was a 850MHz version, I would put my order in tonight as I'm itching for a 4" phone (perfect size IMO). I have a feeling there probably wont be one though, as the Nexus S is more about having an up to date, clean-slate phone for developers to use and for Google to showcase new Android features. I doubt they care about maximizing sales of them, and there's probably not a lot to gain by opening them up to AT&T/Rogers/Bell/Telus customers, especially after all the testing and certification requirements.
Canadians that really want one can go with Wind Mobile or Mobilicity... and if I lived in the US I would pick T-Mobile over AT&T any day.
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While this has been addressed in part already, I'd like to address the other half of the story.
The Nexus S has already gone through the FCC. Check the FCC filings, and you'll find the frequencies on which the phone can operate. Go back and check the Vibrant initially passing through the FCC. See the difference?
The S does not have the hardware required for 3G to operate on AT&T. No software hack will enable what the hardware just CAN NOT do.
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While this has been addressed in part already, I'd like to address the other half of the story.
The Nexus S has already gone through the FCC. Check the FCC filings, and you'll find the frequencies on which the phone can operate. Go back and check the Vibrant initially passing through the FCC. See the difference?
The S does not have the hardware required for 3G to operate on AT&T. No software hack will enable what the hardware just CAN NOT do.
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Ah, didn't know that.
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Canadians that really want one can go with Wind Mobile or Mobilicity... and if I lived in the US I would pick T-Mobile over AT&T any day.
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That's easy for you to say. I'd jump on Tmobile in a heartbeat but they have no, and I mean none, service at my work. Since I spend the majority of my time there it rules out Tmobile for me. So lets hope an ATT compatible version comes out in a few months.
Yeah I would happily drop 500+ dollars on a at&t nexus s if they make one for 850 and 1900 3G bands
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Quite frankly, I wonder why TMo seems to always get the Google Experience Phone, do most developers use TMo?
Dan
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maybe all developers have shotty credit and can only get approved for T-Mobile flexpay?
i kid i kid...kinda...
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While I have no first hand knowledge what so ever, if Google/handset manufacturer work on the same time line as the N1, after a period of time they will release a North American 3G variant of the Nexus S.
Quite frankly, I wonder why TMo seems to always get the Google Experience Phone, do most developers use TMo?
While I have no issues with TMo other than that they are not real big in my area of the USA, I cannot help but wonder why not either put a pentaband chip-set in the phone (which supports all Frequencies) or offer two variants right off the bat.
It just seems weird to me is all, I realize that El Goog probably has a good reason, but if sales are a key driving force why not offer it to more potential users and not just to users on the USA smallest network.
Dan
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yeah i dont understand it either. it seems as though these manufacturers actually HURT their sales by not being forthcoming right off the bat. we all dance around the issue, not knowing to buy or not buy, will an 850 version come later for me, etc. nobody is gonna drop 500 with that type of info. just lay it all out there from the beginning so people know to buy or not!
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maybe all developers have shotty credit and can only get approved for T-Mobile flexpay?
i kid i kid...kinda...
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If more people supported developers, credit wouldn't be needed. . . .
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I have two thoughts on this. First, TMo doesn't give a crap. Look at the approach that most providers take to their phones, as far as bloatware, locking it down, crippling, etc. TMo, IMO, does far less of that than any other carrier. Imagine Google asking a carrier to offer a subsidized price on a Google Experience device, that they can't put any bloatware on. AT&T would laugh. For months. I think the prime reason is that TMo is willing to do that, while the others simply are not.
Two, doesn't TMo have a cell tower in Google's parking lot? I read that somewhere, but can't find anything on it. Maybe someone here has some info on that??
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While I have no issues with TMo other than that they are not real big in my area of the USA, I cannot help but wonder why not either put a pentaband chip-set in the phone (which supports all Frequencies) or offer two variants right off the bat.
It just seems weird to me is all, I realize that El Goog probably has a good reason, but if sales are a key driving force why not offer it to more potential users and not just to users on the USA smallest network.
Dan
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Again, Dan, I feel it's because TMo is the only carrier to offer a subsidy on it. Sammy can make a phone that works on any or all frequencies, if they want to. But they'd have to find someone willing to sell it, without any carrier subsidy, and more importantly, they'd have to have customers willing to buy it unsubsidized. On this latter point, I believe that is why Google felt the N1 was a massive failure. They didn't sell anywhere near what they wanted to, and they couldn't get AT&T, Sprint, and Verizon to offer a subsidy. I'm not sure what happened with the CDMA folks, but I can only venture a guess as to AT&T...
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I have two thoughts on this. First, TMo doesn't give a crap. Look at the approach that most providers take to their phones, as far as bloatware, locking it down, crippling, etc. TMo, IMO, does far less of that than any other carrier. Imagine Google asking a carrier to offer a subsidized price on a Google Experience device, that they can't put any bloatware on. AT&T would laugh. For months. I think the prime reason is that TMo is willing to do that, while the others simply are not.
Two, doesn't TMo have a cell tower in Google's parking lot? I read that somewhere, but can't find anything on it. Maybe someone here has some info on that??
Again, Dan, I feel it's because TMo is the only carrier to offer a subsidy on it. Sammy can make a phone that works on any or all frequencies, if they want to. But they'd have to find someone willing to sell it, without any carrier subsidy, and more importantly, they'd have to have customers willing to buy it unsubsidized. On this latter point, I believe that is why Google felt the N1 was a massive failure. They didn't sell anywhere near what they wanted to, and they couldn't get AT&T, Sprint, and Verizon to offer a subsidy. I'm not sure what happened with the CDMA folks, but I can only venture a guess as to AT&T...
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I was guessing the same thing. Either there is RIDICULOUSLY good T-Mo reception at the Mountain View campus OR it has to be some sort of deal between T-Mo and Google.
I remember when the G1 came out. I was thinking "wow, what an ugly phone. Android seems like a cool concept but seeing how it works on that phone is crappy. boo hiss etc". The phone did not seem to have much promise compared to the other competitors (windows mobile and....iphone). Naturally T-Mo took a huge risk carrying and promoting the at the time unknown phone. It seems like that faith has paid off because Google has chose T-Mobile as the only official carrier of ALL of their developer phones (ADP1 (G1), ADP2 (MT3G), Nexus One, and now the Nexus S.)
Or maybe it's some combination of both of those theories.
The phone carrier pricing and phone selection in the U.S. is screwed up in my opinion. If you want the iPhone your stuck with ATT for now. If you want an Android, where do you even begin to look, so many options it is overwhelming for the non tech geek newb.
In my perfect world this would be great to see. Follow the plan that Google first announced with Nexus-One, but never happened, release the same identical phone on all 4 major U.S. carriers, only difference being the radios to allow them to work on each carrier. Then us, the consumer wins, we just choose the best carrier for the best price, and network in your town. Then there would be some major competition on monthly plans. None of this insane $100+ per month for a single smart phone unlimited. That is just insane, and Europe and Asia don't pay anywhere near that kind of pricing.
And I would like to see it done this way.
Every Christmas time, Google comes out with their hot new Nexus brand phone, will be the latest and "pure" OS, untouched by carrier bloatware. And release it for all 4 major carriers at the same time, and would be the exact same phone for everyone. Then the consumer chooses who they want to have for their service. Then in the Summer, Apple comes out with their hot new iPhone, with the best hardware for the time. And release that new iPhone across all 4 major carriers too, being the exact same phone, and again the consumer just decides who they want purchase service from.
Seemed like Google was so close to doing that last year with the Nexus-One...they did release it on T-Mobile first, then an ATT 3G version, and Verizon + Sprint were in a holding pattern, and pulled the plug. I bet the carriers did not like this idea, they knew what would happen eventually = major competition for the same phone, would have to lower their plan pricing, and they said NO !!!
Google doesn't set the prices. Plus why have the Nexus One on all carriers?
Verzion got the Incredible.
Sprint got the Evo
AT&T kind of sucks, but has Iphone.
Only way you can get the Nexus One was an online store.
Plus not like it matters too much anways. There are better ways to get the Nexus S, there are different devices out there that are plenty fast.
MONEY
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Hope so...
Why not? SeaRay was already leaked so it should at least get a press release.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1197224
wont be in US so really doesnt matter to me. Sad faise
I just want to hear about a CDMA device that will work on Sprint. But I have a feeling that's not going to happen anytime soon.
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I just want to hear about a CDMA device that will work on Sprint. But I have a feeling that's not going to happen anytime soon.
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I'm on Verizon, we'll be the last to hear of CDMA based devices...
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I'm on Verizon, we'll be the last to hear of CDMA based devices...
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I seriously hate this. I have sprint and I am fed up with Android. And there is one wp7 available for sprint. Everyone says Mango, but where is the damn fruit already?
I don't want a small screen with a keyboard. If sprint doesn't get a better phone before/slightly after Christmas, I'm probably going to pick up the GSII.
The GSM carriers are loaded with various WP7 phones. Where is the love with CDMA?
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I seriously hate this. I have sprint and I am fed up with Android. And there is one wp7 available for sprint. Everyone says Mango, but where is the damn fruit already?
I don't want a small screen with a keyboard. If sprint doesn't get a better phone before/slightly after Christmas, I'm probably going to pick up the GSII.
The GSM carriers are loaded with various WP7 phones. Where is the love with CDMA?
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Trust me, I feel your pain, there is only one device with Verizon...and I waited for ever for the base WP7 device.
The problem is that GSM covers about 85-90% of the world, not just the US.
When a company makes a phone for the global market, it will make the GSM models first because that is where the money is. After the profits start slowing down from the GSM models, then will go towards a CDMA market because there will be more profits to make.
Unless your carrier (Sprint in your case or Verizon in my case) wants a big OEM (HTC, Nokia, etc) to create them a custom phone for their network (and WP7 is not big enough for Sprint or vzw yet), you have to wait till the offer models and that does not show up for a year later.
Look at all the old flip phones, Moto for example, the razor, GSM had it over a year before CDMA carriers did, same deal.
So, if you want new phones on their release, you need to be with a GSM carrier or just wait, like most CDMA users have to....
I'm dreaming of a LTE (Verizon 4G) based WP7 device with a 4" SuperLCD/Super AMOLED display, a QWERTY keyboard, front camera with a good 10-12mp rear camera, dual core CPU and better GPU (for newer games), very slim design and a 2-3 day(real world) battery without making the phone huge. Who ever makes it, I'll buy it...
but, I guess one could dream......
That's y I left Sprint because of the lack of cdma love. Never will make that mistake again. T mobile service sucks in my area wish I had my DVP on Sprint Sero. But I hope Nokia shows us something today.
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solidkevin said:
Hope so...
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What else would they show, they've made it clear that it's WP7 or burst, they better have one.
When are they debuting it. I've been looking on pocketnow and haven't seen anything
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937dytboi said:
That's y I left Sprint because of the lack of cdma love.
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Yeah, wish I could leave Sprint, but $40 a month for unlimited data, text, mobile to mobile, nights and weekends, free roaming, 500 anytime. . . well you get the idea. As much as it pains me to not have as many hardware options, I don't feel as much pain when it comes to bill time.
DavidinCT said:
Trust me, I feel your pain, there is only one device with Verizon...and I waited for ever for the base WP7 device.
The problem is that GSM covers about 85-90% of the world, not just the US.
When a company makes a phone for the global market, it will make the GSM models first because that is where the money is. After the profits start slowing down from the GSM models, then will go towards a CDMA market because there will be more profits to make.
Unless your carrier (Sprint in your case or Verizon in my case) wants a big OEM (HTC, Nokia, etc) to create them a custom phone for their network (and WP7 is not big enough for Sprint or vzw yet), you have to wait till the offer models and that does not show up for a year later.
Look at all the old flip phones, Moto for example, the razor, GSM had it over a year before CDMA carriers did, same deal.
So, if you want new phones on their release, you need to be with a GSM carrier or just wait, like most CDMA users have to....
I'm dreaming of a LTE (Verizon 4G) based WP7 device with a 4" SuperLCD/Super AMOLED display, a QWERTY keyboard, front camera with a good 10-12mp rear camera, dual core CPU and better GPU (for newer games), very slim design and a 2-3 day(real world) battery without making the phone huge. Who ever makes it, I'll buy it...
but, I guess one could dream......
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I know this sucks lol. Do you think they will go towards CDMA this quarter or no? The phones are in high demand from what I've seen. People are just waiting.
I don't know, I might just go out and buy the arrive. Its just like the android shift, but with a tilting display and running WP7. I don't mind the 3.5" display, but coming from an EVO screen size, do you think that is too small or no?
Dj21o said:
I know this sucks lol. Do you think they will go towards CDMA this quarter or no? The phones are in high demand from what I've seen. People are just waiting. ?
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No, unless Verizon/Sprint request(aka: Pay big $$$) for a custom phone, no, they wont rush out a model (Note: Carrier or MS, MS could request that CDMA phones are released on the same time).
Think about it, Sprint and Verizon are US companies only and on a global scale, CDMA accounts for around 10% but, I believe it's less. So Verizon and Sprint both combined would be about 4-6% of the worlds sold phones, if that. Even if everyone in Verizon and Sprint was requesting phones, would you as a company put all your effort to companies that account for less than 10% of your market ? I don't think so...
Dj21o said:
I don't know, I might just go out and buy the arrive. Its just like the android shift, but with a tilting display and running WP7. I don't mind the 3.5" display, but coming from an EVO screen size, do you think that is too small or no?
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The 4.3" display ? Yea, it is a quite smaller and it might be too small for some people but, in the 3.5-3.8" is a good size for a phone that fits in your pocket.
Want my advice ? If you want WP7, pick up an Arrive off contract. You should be able to get one for under $300 (seen some used go on ebay for under $200 but, for the most part under $300, Just make sure you get one with a clean ESN). So if some new awsome model comes out for Sprint, you don't use up your 2 year contract and still can get a new phone.
That's what I did with my Trophy, still have a $100 credit towards a new phone and I'll hold it till there is a phone that I really want.
My Trophy is a nice phone and it will hold me out till then.....
tiny17 said:
Yeah, wish I could leave Sprint, but $40 a month for unlimited data, text, mobile to mobile, nights and weekends, free roaming, 500 anytime. . . well you get the idea. As much as it pains me to not have as many hardware options, I don't feel as much pain when it comes to bill time.
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Same sero plan I was on. Didn't help that my tp2 was almost non functional either. But I sure do miss my sero plan. Sprint service is better in my area than Tmobile. And I sure wasn't going to wait for that Tp3. I was not at all impressed with It so i just went and got the dvp with no contract.
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DavidinCT said:
No, unless Verizon/Sprint request(aka: Pay big $$$) for a custom phone, no, they wont rush out a model (Note: Carrier or MS, MS could request that CDMA phones are released on the same time).
Think about it, Sprint and Verizon are US companies only and on a global scale, CDMA accounts for around 10% but, I believe it's less. So Verizon and Sprint both combined would be about 4-6% of the worlds sold phones, if that. Even if everyone in Verizon and Sprint was requesting phones, would you as a company put all your effort to companies that account for less than 10% of your market ? I don't think so...
The 4.3" display ? Yea, it is a quite smaller and it might be too small for some people but, in the 3.5-3.8" is a good size for a phone that fits in your pocket.
Want my advice ? If you want WP7, pick up an Arrive off contract. You should be able to get one for under $300 (seen some used go on ebay for under $200 but, for the most part under $300, Just make sure you get one with a clean ESN). So if some new awsome model comes out for Sprint, you don't use up your 2 year contract and still can get a new phone.
That's what I did with my Trophy, still have a $100 credit towards a new phone and I'll hold it till there is a phone that I really want.
My Trophy is a nice phone and it will hold me out till then.....
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Yeah that is a really good idea... CDMA phones are always last for everything. If I can pick one up for 200 or less, I'll just do that then. But hopefully one comes out by then.
If not, I guess I'll buy the GSII. Unless I can buy an unlocked trophy and use it on sprint? Is that possible? I don't really like physical keyboards.
The Arrive is a great phone - you will be happy with it, and the screen is big enough, especially since you have a nice keyboard.
But I imagine you are like me, and want a nice candybar form-factor, like the GSII. Hopefully Sprint will get one this holiday season, but until then, the Arrive is a very nice phone.
tiny17 said:
The Arrive is a great phone - you will be happy with it, and the screen is big enough, especially since you have a nice keyboard.
But I imagine you are like me, and want a nice candybar form-factor, like the GSII. Hopefully Sprint will get one this holiday season, but until then, the Arrive is a very nice phone.
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Yeah I am going to wait. I for sure do not want any other Android other than the GSII. I personally wish the hardware was up to date with WP7, but what can you do. At least it has a nice HD display.
Probably will check it out again tomorrow. I'm ready for a phone to actually "work" without a hassel of "oh **** I forgot the flash that fix", or "my battery is draining, I need to kill more apps, change kernels, switch CPU settings, blah blah blah blah blah."
Why are Androids even called "smartphones"? They have more problems than a farmer trying to grow crops in the winter. Its just pointless lol. I never play games, I go on facebook, (can't even sync anything = battery dead), check emails, and Reddit time to time.
WP7 would be perfect for me lol.
So, what happened to the Aug. 17th announcement?
tiny17 said:
So, what happened to the Aug. 17th announcement?
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nothing at all ...