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I am currently contracted under Sprint and using a Mogul. I have a few issues with Sprint..and that is I have no picture mail and they dont have much of a choice for phones. Sprint is fairly cheap..where as I'd have to pay for a specific pda plan if I were on at&t.. it seems there is alot more GSM phones released than CDMA..and I'm starting to get afraid that we wont see many more interesting cdma phones? I'd hate to be stuck under sprint when I know in a year i'll still be using my mogul! Any thoughts on this? Do you think we are due for a good CDMA smartphone anytime soon? Either i go to AT&T where I wont get as good of service with a less features on the same priced plan.., but a cooler phone or stay with sprint where I could end up with a outdated phone but I get decent service? Obviously having the phone WORK well is what I want, but i feel like they gimp me in the other areas that AT&T could make up for? I could probably fix my service issues with one of them antennas on my house to bring better service in my house.
I'm still chugging along with my T-Mobile MDA but with my bandwidth addiction I need to go 3G. Naturally the Touch Pro is what I'm looking at but I have a few questions I haven't been able to answer with searches...
Is the Sprint version thicker? If so, any idea how much thicker?
I've seen at least one smartphone offer GSM as well as CDMA (someone had a Sprint phone with a SIM card slot, can't remember the model now.) Any chance The Touch Pro will do this? I doubt it will but I can dream right?
Since ATT decided to change the keyboard is there a way to remap it to have a CTRL key instead of what looks like an OK key on the bottom left?
I would love to get a much slimmer phone, but the keyboard is so handy. And of course I want a nice screen for internet browsing so I either go with the Diamond and make do with the on-screen (and possibly buy a tiny bluetooth keyboard) or deal with the extra thickness of the Pro. But one of the things I will be doing with it is SSH (not with the Diamond obviously) so the CTRL key would be nice to have. Then of course there are things like RAM, applications, etc to think about and not to mention the differences in the networks. Who would you guys rather go with for network speed/reliability?
I've never had such a hard time picking out a new phone before...
I doubt the CDMA version of the Touch Pro would be any thicker than the GSM model.
Sprint's network does not support SIM cards, but they own Nextel which does use SIM cards. What you saw was a dual network (Sprint/Nextel) phone that uses CDMA for voice and data, and GSM for Push-to-Talk.
The CDMA Touch Pro is no thicker. It has rounded edges which may or may not make it look thicker but it is still 0.7". Honestly the rounded edges actually give it a nicer feel in the hand as well.
As far as the CDMA with a SIM card, you are thinking of the Blackberry 8830 World Edition. This has a SIM slot but only for international use...not US use. The Touch Pro will NOT have this.
As far as the remapping. There are articles in here that you can search for that will explain how to do this. I personally would much rather have OK and the Windows key than have CTRL and a second Shift key.
Lastly, it is all personal preference. 3G is much faster in my experiences than EVDO Rev. A but when looking at webpages it really doesn't make too much of a difference to me...it's more about the hardware and software you have that determines speed. The biggest selling point that made me go to Sprint was the fact that unlimited plans are extremely cheap. $52/month after my employee discounts for unlimited text, data (GPS and all those other fun Sprint features) and 450 minutes.
same here
I had a sprint phone with a sim card slot it was the samsung IP 830 it was bad and big but it had the best universal remote control I have seen also for international use. so my contract is up with at&t on december and Im trying to decide if I want to go back to sprint or stay with att sprint data service is way faster and cheaper than AT&T here in iowa cuz we don't have 3G and I doubt we will ever get it so I don't know I like the omnia better than the touch pro so maybe if that device comes to AT&T I will stay.
Well, even thou the 3g IS faster, with the iPhone hoggin up the GSM band and sometimes slowing the 3g to a crawl, I would say the EVDO REV-A is gonna be faster as CDMA does NOT have any slow downs like GSM when its crowded. The only thing that GSM has over CDMA in the states is coverage. I would give this thanks to the iPhone 3g!
NotATreoFan said:
I doubt the CDMA version of the Touch Pro would be any thicker than the GSM model.
Sprint's network does not support SIM cards, but they own Nextel which does use SIM cards. What you saw was a dual network (Sprint/Nextel) phone that uses CDMA for voice and data, and GSM for Push-to-Talk.
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I thought Nextel was IDEN, not GSM
According to the pictures on this Engadget Mobile post, the Sprint version will in fact have a ctrl key as well as numbers on the top row of keys instead of symbols. That's a big plus as far as I'm concerned.
I'm actually trying to make the same choice between the Sprint and ATT versions of this phone. I'm on ATT now (with a Tilt) and have been for several years with few issues. I've always been a big GSM supporter, but I'm not a world traveller and haven't really used any of the benefits of SIM cards either, so I'm starting to wonder why I'm sticking with GSM. It seems that in the US, it's just an inferior technology. All I've read says that Sprint's Rev A is faster than ATT's HSPA - at least in real world scenarios - and Sprint's coverage (both Rev A and not) is supposedly stronger (reaches inside buildings better) and more widespread (reaches more rural areas).
On top of that, Sprint's prices are far better! I'm paying nearly as much on ATT for 600 minutes + unlimited SMS, MMS, and data as I would on Sprint for unlimited everything (and this is throwing in stuff like Sprint TV and their GPS service as well). If I went for a plan more in line with my usage, I could get their 450 minute plan for $60 if I'm remembering correctly - which saves me about $40 a month.
I've also heard that their customer service is very lenient with discounts and credits, which is something I've never really had with ATT (except when they make a mistake on my bill).
So that's where I stand. Aside from leaving GSM and the price of breaking my contract with ATT, I'm seeing very little reason not to switch over to Sprint. Is there something I'm missing here? Any advice?
I jumped ship from Verizon to get the Mogul from Sprint. Never been happier. As a matter of fact, I'm as happy as a retard
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I thought Nextel was IDEN, not GSM
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Quite possible. I gave up following Nextel 8 years ago after my i95 pissed me off 300-too-many-times. I knew next to nothing about phones back then.
I agree with most of what you said. Except for:
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I've also heard that their customer service is very lenient with discounts and credits...
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I have been with AT&T since it 2001, but I signed up for a Sprint data card last summer because I was traveling to Florida, and one of the areas I was going to did not offer 3G coverage on AT&T.
I ended up canceling the service 2 days before coming home because even though I was in the heart of EVDO Rev-A, according to coverage maps and customer service reps, that damn card would refuse to connect about dialup speeds unless I left it sit connected and idle for the first 20 minutes after turning it on... and it was still barely faster then AT&T's Edge network (verified by tethering my Wizard to my laptop and using ICS).
When I canceled the account, I was told that I would receive a full refund of my activation fee and all usage charges because it had only been 10 days, and the service did not work as expected. Fast forward to 45 days later, and I get a letter from Sprint that they're sending my account to collections over $18.58 in unpaid usage fees. I fought that for another 4 weeks, and got absolutely nowhere (apparently Sprint reps can be fired for transferring your call to a supervisor ).
Long enough story shortened... I paid the money because it just wasn't worth the frustration... but I will never be a Sprint customer again.
I was with Sprint for many years before I switched to T-Mobile. The only reason I switched a few years ago is because Sprint's phones sucked. They just didn't have a very good selection (it was mostely flip phones that were all pretty much the same.) I also got my MDA for free on Amazon ($150 before $150 in rebates) so it was a pretty good deal. When I was with Sprint I never really had any problems with customer service but I only called them when I wanted to change my plan or something wasn't working right. I did get a little upset when I was calling them about the federal government employee discount though. I swear I called like 4 times and I would either get put on hold indefinately or the rep would act like she couldn't hear me and hang up after I mentioned the discount. I later found a different number to call about it and it was a much better experience.
I like the idea of being able to switch networks with a phone and take it overseas if I need to. But I have realized that by the time I want to switch networks the phone would be very outdated and I can get a new one with the discounts. As far as going overseas...I could get orders overseas (Air Force) but there's no guarantee that I would even be in a GSM area (is Japan GSM? Korea isn't right?) and if I was they'd probably have better phones anyway.
I think I might just go with Sprint. The pricing is just below what I pay T-Mobile (I only need 450 minutes) and it has the keyboard I want. Now I just have to talk myself into waiting for the TP and not going for the Diamond...of course I could get the Diamond first then give it to my wife if I still want the TP (I'm sure she'd love to watch Youtube whenever she wants.)
Does anyone know the spec differences between the sprint touch pro and the fuze or a link to a comparison? I did a search on here but didn't notice it. Thanks
NotATreoFan said:
I agree with most of what you said. Except for:
I have been with AT&T since it 2001, but I signed up for a Sprint data card last summer because I was traveling to Florida, and one of the areas I was going to did not offer 3G coverage on AT&T.
I ended up canceling the service 2 days before coming home because even though I was in the heart of EVDO Rev-A, according to coverage maps and customer service reps, that damn card would refuse to connect about dialup speeds unless I left it sit connected and idle for the first 20 minutes after turning it on... and it was still barely faster then AT&T's Edge network (verified by tethering my Wizard to my laptop and using ICS).
When I canceled the account, I was told that I would receive a full refund of my activation fee and all usage charges because it had only been 10 days, and the service did not work as expected. Fast forward to 45 days later, and I get a letter from Sprint that they're sending my account to collections over $18.58 in unpaid usage fees. I fought that for another 4 weeks, and got absolutely nowhere (apparently Sprint reps can be fired for transferring your call to a supervisor ).
Long enough story shortened... I paid the money because it just wasn't worth the frustration... but I will never be a Sprint customer again.
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That sounds like a nightmare. I'll keep that in mind. Thanks for sharing your experience.
kextyn said:
I like the idea of being able to switch networks with a phone and take it overseas if I need to. But I have realized that by the time I want to switch networks the phone would be very outdated and I can get a new one with the discounts. As far as going overseas...I could get orders overseas (Air Force) but there's no guarantee that I would even be in a GSM area (is Japan GSM? Korea isn't right?) and if I was they'd probably have better phones anyway.
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Well, the possibility of world travel is one of the things that's kept me with GSM. I'm a musician and my last band toured nationally and almost internationally (the tour fell through unfortunately), and I wanted the flexibility. But considering the plethora of different technologies and frequencies, whatever USA phone I get is most likely going to be at least crippled no matter where I go anyway.
Japan uses mostly W-CDMA from what I understand. Unfortunately, it's compatible with neither Sprint or Verizon's CDMA nor ATT or T-Mobile USA's W-CDMA.
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Does anyone know the spec differences between the sprint touch pro and the fuze or a link to a comparison? I did a search on here but didn't notice it. Thanks
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From everything I've read, it seems that they are identical spec-wise. The two phones have different cases (the Sprint version is a bit more rounded) and the top row of keys is different (Sprint has numbers, ATT has symbols), but other than that I believe they are the same.
salimai said:
From everything I've read, it seems that they are identical spec-wise. The two phones have different cases (the Sprint version is a bit more rounded) and the top row of keys is different (Sprint has numbers, ATT has symbols), but other than that I believe they are the same.
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Has anyone actually posted a pic of the BACKSIDE of the ATT touch pro? I don't think I've seen any yet.
Note the sprint version is going to have a silver/grey back with a chrome bezel type thing going around the side:
http://www.engadgetmobile.com/photos/hands-on-with-sprints-touch-pro/
Keep in mind best buy has the us 3g unlocked version of the touch diamond gsm version so pretty soon they will get the us 3g version of the touch pro so you can get the 5 row keyboard the way HTC initially set it up without ATT butcher job...Just a little FYI. Best buy should have the unlocked 3g version of the touch pro sometime in November after ATT and sprint lauches their versions.
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Keep in mind best buy has the us 3g unlocked version of the touch diamond gsm version so pretty soon they will get the us 3g version of the touch pro so you can get the 5 row keyboard the way HTC initially set it up without ATT butcher job...Just a little FYI. Best buy should have the unlocked 3g version of the touch pro sometime in November after ATT and sprint lauches their versions.
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has it been confirmed that bb will get TP? cuz for all we know the last leak from bb was that they'd be selling SPRINT TP, there was no indication whether they'd be selling unlocked 3G version. Also, can we say for sure they'll carry TP just cuz they carry diamond? I mean, they started selling diamond way before any of the carriers...what stopped them from selling TP ahead of time? also, since 3 carriers will have TP in their fleet, does it make sense for bb to sell a handset that more than half of the US carriers have? where's the profit in that? just some random questions I kept asking myself. If anyone would enlighten me it'd be much appreciated.
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Keep in mind best buy has the us 3g unlocked version of the touch diamond gsm version so pretty soon they will get the us 3g version of the touch pro so you can get the 5 row keyboard the way HTC initially set it up without ATT butcher job...Just a little FYI. Best buy should have the unlocked 3g version of the touch pro sometime in November after ATT and sprint lauches their versions.
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I also would like to know if this has been confirmed. It's definitely an interesting option if it is indeed true. Unfortunately, with the Diamond having a $700 price tag, I'm not sure that this will be a reasonable option no matter how tempting. I know some people are willing to drop close to $1000 on a phone (it might not be that high, but I would expect it to be close since the Diamond is so spendy), but not me.
As far as the carrier choice goes, the posts negative toward Sprint have only been related to customer service issues (which may or may not be widespread) rather than coverage, signal quality, data speed, CDMA vs GSM, etc. I have to say I'm a bit surprised. At this point I'm taking that to mean that switching to Sprint might be the right choice. Would anyone else like to chime in?
Well for me i will have to stay with ATT. I live about 20 miles outside of Austin, TX and ATT gets much better signal than Sprint which my old roommate had. I have pretty much noticed that in Texas at least if you are gonna do much outside the main cities then ATT is pretty much the best option.
Question for other ATT customers, I get a company have my company discount of 20% discount on new hardware associated with my account but I have been told by the reps on the phone that the discount cannot be applied with the contract renewal price. This makes an odd choice since i will not use the rebate form since i don't want to switch from my Media Max 200 plan to the Pda Plan.
Options:
1. No contract renewal and suggesting a retail of $549 - 20% brings a cost of $439
2. Get with contract renewal making price probably about $399 without rebate.
3. The rep was full of it and I can use the contract renewal and the 20%.
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Well for me i will have to stay with ATT. I live about 20 miles outside of Austin, TX and ATT gets much better signal than Sprint which my old roommate had. I have pretty much noticed that in Texas at least if you are gonna do much outside the main cities then ATT is pretty much the best option.
Question for other ATT customers, I get a company have my company discount of 20% discount on new hardware associated with my account but I have been told by the reps on the phone that the discount cannot be applied with the contract renewal price. This makes an odd choice since i will not use the rebate form since i don't want to switch from my Media Max 200 plan to the Pda Plan.
Options:
1. No contract renewal and suggesting a retail of $549 - 20% brings a cost of $439
2. Get with contract renewal making price probably about $399 without rebate.
3. The rep was full of it and I can use the contract renewal and the 20%.
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I had no problem buying the Tilt using AT&T Premier and renewing my existing contract.
http://wmpoweruser.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/attfuze.jpg
Wow, ATT's keyboard of the htc IS really ugly!
Also I'm almost positive that ATT will get the "watered down" camera. 3.1 MP.
New Guy here. First post.
OK, so here's my issue. I've been a Nextel customer(moved over to Sprint awhile back) for about 10 years. My contract is about up and I'm going to get a Smartphone finally after all these years of using my Axim and cell phone separate.
I've kinda nearly decided on the Touch Pro 2 and they are both available from Sprint and Verizon. Sprint only offers the TP2 with the older OS and can't give me any idea of when they will update it if ever. Also, they want $350 for it. Verizon has it with the newest OS for $200.
Is there any reason I should stay with Sprint or should I be looking at Verizon? Other than if you have a bias for or against a particular carrier, is there a benefit of one over the other?
Thanks
JTMcD.
The new verizon OS has been a real pain for me so far.
I may be looking to switch to a cooked rom if I can't get e few things working.
I do NOT use the TF3D (or Sensui) interface, I use the normal today screen. If you use the TF3D interface, the new rom looks like it may be better for you.
If that doesn't matter, then it has more to do with the cost and coverage. Where I need my phone to work, VZW has better coverage.
I would consider these things (in no particular order):
1. Which carrier has the best coverage in my area?
2. What plans are available, and which plan suits my needs best?
3. Which carrier has the best customer service?
4. How much will equipment and accessories cost?
5. Which carrier has the most up to date software (for PDA's)?
I had AT&T for 5 years, and just recently switched to Verizon. I was considering Sprint, but when I considered the things listed above, Verizon was a better choice for me. I'm not telling you to switch to Verizon by any means. I'm just giving you some things to think about. Switching carriers can be a hassle up front, so don't expect the transition to be smooth if you do switch.
I've been reading a lot about the Touch Pro2, and it sounds to me like the Sprint and Verizon versions are pretty similar. Personally, I'm sticking with Sprint, but one advantage to the Verizon version is that, although it comes locked, apparently if you can get Vz to unlock the GSM portion of the phone, it will work with US carrier SIM cards. Not so with the Sprint version, which is unlocked by default for overseas carriers but will not work on GSM bands in the US at all (unless you hack the thing).
In terms of phone cost, I think it would be helpful to just compare your overall two year cost of ownership (e.g., including monthly plan payments) rather than just the out-the-door phone price. Also, I think it's basically a certainty that Sprint will be upgrading their Touch Pro2 to WM6.5, by the way.
That's where I'm at right now. I can say that I've had great coverage and utility from Nextel/Sprint over the past years. Talking to others though I am the minority and not the majority. My wife says it was the first carrier she had that allowed her to get a signal in class at the local college.
At the same time, People here who have Verizon swear by them.
I am leaning more toward Verizon at this point since. I figure, we have 30 days in order to switch back if we find we don't get as good of coverage.
I just wonder if Sprint is actually faster than Verizon as far as 3G/4G goes. I find it odd though that Sprint seems to be on again, off again when advertising a 4G network.
eh.... i wouldn't base your decision on what the stock rom is.... there are several good cooked roms, i have sprint and i managed to use the stock rom for about a week before i started flashing roms over... and i haven't looked back since
and sprint has some good things going for their service plans... any mobile any time. and i dont have any roaming charges, so i really dont care if sprint has good service as i get service anywhere anyone else does now....
I'm not comfortable enough to use a cooked ROM on a device I rely on. After I make the switch over to a smartphone I'll start playing with those on my Axim x51v and then maybe eventually start hacking my phone. Right now, I don't want to run the risk of bricking my new phone. I need the PDA for work as I am a trauma Nurse and use alot of different programs and if I loose my PDA, it could very well cost a life. Not just an inconvenience, it kinda is a necessity on my part.
If it wasn't for that, I'd hack it in a heartbeat.
then i would go with the one with the most stable os. personally i am sprint and have been for years but with the great rates and coverage i haven't really had a need to look elsewhere. from the above post it sounds like there are some issues to sort out with the vzw 6.5 rom and i can tell you first hand that the sprint 6.1 is very solid, fast, and stable. thus far it's been the best stock rom that i have come across. personally i just don't like 6.1 anymore or i would probably be running stock. it is a little higher in price (ok a lot higher), but it bsaically pays for itself with the cheaper plans compared to vzw.
I have had both Sprint and Verizon. I went with Verizon because everybody I know has VZW and I could basically call/text anybody I know without using any minutes or texts so it allowed me to put a super low minutes/text plan on my phone. As far as service Sprint and VZW have been pretty much equal in my book. They both kick the crap out of ATT that's for sure.
One thing NOT to worry about is the up-front cost of the phone. Considering the difference in cost for the plan over a 2 year contract, the phone's price is minor.
I just switched from Sprint to Verizon. I had two branded TP2's with Sprint and I have two branded TP2's with Verizon. I was with Sprint for 8 years prior to the switch and have had the Mogul, TP, and TP2. I've been flashing ROM's on all my Sprint phones since the Mogul.
For me personally, Verizon has the best coverage for the area where I work and live. The Verizon TP2 just "feels" better and more solid in my hand than Sprints.
As far as coverage, I was on 1x or Roaming with Sprint inside my workplace. With Verizon I have 3G. The Sprint battery would last about 12 hours at best, since my phone was constantly looking for a tower. With Verizon I get 20.5 hours of average use. Plus Verizon has Rhodium500 which is newer.
I've found the Verizon phone is faster out of the box. I just finished upgrading the phone to the newest official 6.5 build and I'm mildly impressed. But I will be on a custom rom by the end of the week.
The newest build has some touchflo GUI enhancements which is pretty slick, plus visual voicemail.
htcfan78 is right, check on coverage. I live in Florida. Verizon built backup generators at all their towers. So if another hurricane comes thru and knocks out power, I'll still have cell coverage. Can't say the same for Sprint.
Having been with Sprint for 8 years, I'm really impressed with Verizon, both the phone and customer service. But in the end its all relative to your own individual experience.
sprint would be cheaper monthly just upfront is where verizon wins.
Verizon or Sprint
Here are a few things to consider
A while back Sprint and Verizon got into bed together
Verizon wanted a fast dependable data network without paying to develop it so they actually pay sprint to use there data network, part of the agreement was that Sprint would get to use all of verizon's voice service for sprint roaming at no cost to there customers. So as far as usage they are the same network.
Verizon charges there customers for every little thing they do., and until the other day did not have a affordable everything plan. also sprint and HTC have an accord that (even though most carriers have released the final version of the phone) all the other cariers would be beta testers for the touch pro 2 .
other than that the phones are virtually identical.
oh btw sprint customer care sucks.
thanks for all the input. Keep it coming.
I'm beginning to lean a little toward the Sprint again now. I discovered that a friend of mine via a totally different website is a Sprint Tech who works on the infrastructure and tech side of things. He's provided me a little more insight on the overall costs and benefits compared to Verizon and even AT&T.
I went through the Hurricanes a few years back and remember our EMS services here in Polk swithing over to Verizon, from Sprint, after and most have more issues now than before. One of the Captians says he can be sitting in his office with a tower within visual sight and still not have a signal. I know, doesn't mean it's a Verizon tower but still....
Everyone I know on the civilian side that has Verizon has nothing but good to say about it. I think my wife and I are about the only people who have Nextel/Sprint that doesn't have a problem with cell service. From what I've read and what I've been told by some in the know, there will be a update on the Sprint Phone, just not until it is stable and as bug free as possible. This weekend, the wife and I will be out shopping and going to some of the service centers to see what kind of deals we can get. I onlt just learned about the Premiere customer service from Sprint adn apparently I more than qualify for it. Also, I think I may even get a small discount for working at the Hospital. I know Verizon has a 18 or 19% discount. Why not 20%, I don't know. ALso, I'll call and speak to Customer care at Sprint to see what they are willing to offer to keep me a a customer. Then it ultimately comes down to what Sprints plan and price is compared to Verizons plan and price and how much it costs with any addons. I read a coupld of sites over the last couple days that show where Sprint is $20 cheaper at minimum for the same services. That alone would make up the difference in phone cost. Especially over the lifetime of the phone as I don't upgrade often.
Heck, I'm still using the same Axim x51v that I bought back in 2005 and the same ic902 that I got back in 2006-7 and have been hapy with both ever since. I'm just tired of carrying both around all the time.
Thanks for all the input. Please keep it coming.
I'll chime in for Sprint. It depends on how much you talk and who you talk to, but Sprint's plans are pretty cheap. My wife and I pay ~$120 a month for unlimited messaging and data for both of us, meaning even extra premium services like GPS, TV, radio, etc. We admittedly don't have the most minutes, but Sprint lets you call any cell phone, regardless of carrier, without using minutes. We mostly just call people on their cells and call parents and the like on weekends, so the small number of minutes we get is never even closed to being exhausted. They also don't roll-over, but if we never come close to going over, who cares? I've found Sprint's coverage to be excellent where I live in Utah, and quite comparable to Verizon in the high Rockies in Colorado when we visit my parents.
There will always be good and bad stories of customer service, but I like the reps at our local Sprint store and they actually know quite a bit about the hardware they're selling (I will never forget when I was exchanging a bad Tilt (Kaiser, not the Rhodium) and I asked the AT&T rep if he had any suggestions for ROM's or software. He told me he didn't really know about any of that, but he had watched a movie on his once and thought that was cool, haha).
I have sprint.. I have the everything data plan which comes with ANY CELL ANY TIME so I can call my friends on any cell service.. I also get UNLIMITED DATA and UNLIMITED TEXT/MMS.. also 1500 minutes...
the stock rom is not good at all.. I use mighty rom and its made my phone 10000000 times better
Well, I stayed with Sprint. Took the TP2 and the wife opted for a Blackberry 8350 or something like that. She got it becasue it was Purple.....
To make things even better, Since I'm an RN and with teh Trauma team for my local hospital(probably employee discount they all get), I got an additional 23% discount on my plan so my $129 plan is closer to $100. Verizon was only giving 18% off their price so it was even a greater savings for me. So I'll more than make up the difference in price of the phone over the next year.
Thanks for all the input. As you can probably already see, I'm playing with the new phone and already have questioins.
http://www.loweringthebarforus.org/news/entry/will_t-mobile_usa_disappear_in_2011
looks like tmobile is closing down? what do you think?
The last sentence in the article sums it up nicely "The brand name may disappear but the company operations and stakeholders will remain."
TMo just replaced their US CEO with new blood (lets let some of the Euro hardware in, m'kay?) like literally just a few weeks ago, and they're suggesting they're pretty aggressive with continuing the rollout of HSPA+ nationwide. The Voice Stream er Tmobile name may go away, but the entity it self isn't going anywhere.
...And although Sprint and Tmobile's target demographic does suggest a lot of overlap, in my belief, in the event of an end of days scenario for Tmo the most likely acquirer of tmo would be.... ATT! Tmo is shaped nicely to fit into the hole in ATT's portfolio. ATT is phasing out of iDevice exclusivity quite soon and would welcome the inflows of Android devices and their higher than normal profit margins. And for the shareholders, such an acquisition would give ATT significantly more Mobile exposure and offset some of the massive cash hemmoraging from their ailing Landline business. And finally, a huge majority of Tmo's Phones in the US were originally equipped with ATT compatible radios in their source countries where ATT already has a presence, then converted for the US - the whole thing just lines up quite well!
If ATT does pick up TMo,im deffinately leaving. Not sure who ill switch to tho,everyone else is more expensive and ATT doesnt have "unlimited data" anymore. Sprint's customer service sucks,and Verizon will charge you as much as they want cause they can.
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If ATT does pick up TMo,im deffinately leaving...
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+1 me too! I truly hope TMOUS stays…I like my service and the customer support is better than any other phone service I have had.
I wouldn't worry to much about it. They claim their lack of 4G is whats gonna hold them back. But whats funny is untill last year every network but sprint said 4G was a joke and would never work. After seeing the first 4G phone appear on the market I'm inclined to think 4G is gonna be a failure for mobile. No one wants a phone with 2 hours of battery life in trade for double the speed. Besides didn't Tmo already say they plan to roll out 4G in 2012, and everyone else jumped on the bandwagon saying 2011. If I were tmo I would skip it and hold out. They already use 3.75G Also the OPs post looks like a propoganda blog, heres the latest real news site report on TMO
http://connectedplanetonline.com/3g4g/news/tmobile-expanding-4g-061610/
They are claiming their 3G with HSPA or whatever is actually faster then sprint 4G. LOL Having tried all the 3G networks around here I wouldn't disagree with this statement. All my coworkers have to hook up to my phone via wifi to get any HD video on their phones. For some reason Verizon, ATT, and Sprint don't support it through their data plans, yet all 4 can connect to my Tmo 3G and watch HD youtube all night. We all though this would of made a great Tmo, Verizon, ATT map commercial.
Sounds like a lot of baseless speculation, just like a Sprint/Nextel merger. Teaming up with Virgin Mobile? Really
T-Mobile won't be acquired by AT&T, don't worry about it. If AT&T could kill some competition and become #1 they would've purchased T-Mobile
T-Mobile is still making millions, unlike Sprint.
Actaully sprints not in too bad of shape. They have many loans out but all are paid up and they have live 200 million in the bank for a rainy day. They took out billions to roll out 4G and now they basically own it and are years ahead of everyone else in 4G. I've actaully noticed many more sprint phones the past 6 months too. That Dan guy must be doing something right. LOL
BTW I'm getting
2.74 down
0.74 up
211 ping
Boy they aren't kidding, the HSPA doubled your 3G speed. Hopefully we will get it in a couple months.
Sprint 4G is usually pulling 4-5 down ? up.
That's weird, they opened a store near me recently.
Pure rumors...Good old Tmobile is not going anywhere!
Ok - I tried Sprint, and the coverage is just too bad for me to tolerate... But I really want the Arrive. I do not want a phone without a keyboard, so the Trophy won't do it for me.
I'm going to end up going back to Verizon, but I want to know if I buy an Arrive without a plan, can it be made to work with Verizon, and what consequences there would be? Someone suggested on another thread that if I wanted to get my hands dirty, I could change the ESN. I'm not afraid to get my hands dirty, but I need someone to show me what I need to do. Also, as far as consequences, would an Arrive on Verizon get updates? If no, would I be able to get updates from someone on here doing something similar?
Thanks for any suggestions.
hopmedic said:
Ok - I tried Sprint, and the coverage is just too bad for me to tolerate... But I really want the Arrive. I do not want a phone without a keyboard, so the Trophy won't do it for me.
I'm going to end up going back to Verizon, but I want to know if I buy an Arrive without a plan, can it be made to work with Verizon, and what consequences there would be? Someone suggested on another thread that if I wanted to get my hands dirty, I could change the ESN. I'm not afraid to get my hands dirty, but I need someone to show me what I need to do. Also, as far as consequences, would an Arrive on Verizon get updates? If no, would I be able to get updates from someone on here doing something similar?
Thanks for any suggestions.
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AFAIK, changing the ESN is the only problem. I think you gotta have someone at Sprint/Verizon do it for you though. So hopefully that person owes you a favor
I also need to know if this would prevent me from unlocking the phone using the official dev channels. Thanks.
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AFAIK, changing the ESN is the only problem. I think you gotta have someone at Sprint/Verizon do it for you though. So hopefully that person owes you a favor
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Grrr... I don't know anyone at either place. Any way around that? I was hoping it would be as simple as unlock it, find the ESN, and change the ESN to match that of my Verizon Touch Pro 2. Not so simple?
While I can't help with the Sprint/Verizon transfer stuff, I can tell you that, no matter who your provider is, you will always be able to officially dev-unlock your phone. Also, you will get WP7 updates, but they will likely appear only when Sprint authorizes them even if you're on Verizon.
Thanks... Since I don't have a lot of money rolling around, I really can't afford to have a phone sitting here that I can't talk on, so I'm really interested in whether I'll be able to get both talk and data working on Verizon with the phone. Someone from Microsoft on the Windows Phone team suggested buying a phone from Zones, the official site for planless WP7 phones, saying that the people at Zones are pretty good about getting the unlock codes for the phones. Would this make a difference in getting it onto Verizon, or am I likely to still have a problem getting my phone onto their network?
I've done this before and in 2008 it was much easier than it was now (posting how to get the tp from sprint on vzw at ppcgeeks)
that said, its not as easy for a variety of reasons. Personally I haven't tried to hit up pst to see if it even works
Verizon did block the hole that was previously used in 2009, so the only way to do it is through esn hacking. And on many places, that can't be discussed.
With windows phone 7 I am unsure if the process is still the same or if sprint still used msl to lock pst on their windows phone devices. Personally I would sell the arrive, wait a few weeks, and then go to the htc mozart on vzw's network. I know it's just me, but I haven't really begun to look at a cdma htc arrive to see if an esn change/hack is even possible on this platform.
I know vzw's stance on adding esn - they won't do it no matter who you are. You can try to send the device to them, but that has a very low rate of acceptance. The vzw handset alliance is a joke imho, which leaves users frustrated and with very little options.
Fooling around with the htc arrive I have to say its quite different but not a bad different. It's a shame you may have to sell it because of verizon being verizon
I know some of the regional carriers will flash/alter the ESN for you, but Verizon is pretty staunchly against it. Good luck getting it to work.
Sent from my Magnolia Incredible.
Flashing HTC Arrive
This is what i did to flash HTC Arrive using another CDMA operator (in this case, Smart Telecom Indonesia):
1. get the MSL/SPC of the phone. you can ask Sprint, or buy it from an unlock service provider (i bought it from nick flash cricket dot net)
2. put the phone in diag mode, using ##MFG#. i use winXP 32bit, and use this driver "HTC BMP USB Driver.zip"
3. connect to QPST. you can change the MSL, network code, IMSI, MDN, PRL, and auth HDR setting (evdo parameters)
4. connect to CDMA workshop to enter the AKEY
5. reboot.
now, my HTC arrive is with Smart Telecom. but alas, i can not unlock it to sideload apps
the 7 pro is rumored to be coming to verizon
http://pocketnow.com/windows-phone/htc-7-pro-coming-to-verizon-as-htc-pro
deadwrong03 said:
the 7 pro is rumored to be coming to verizon
http://pocketnow.com/windows-phone/htc-7-pro-coming-to-verizon-as-htc-pro
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You know how rumors, Windows Phone 7 and Verizon are..... a bunch of bull****... I'll believe it when I see an offical press statement. That phone is just another one of the "Arrive" phones that passed FCC, no other info, it could be going to all the small CDMA carriers for all we know.
To the OP, you said you can't afford to have a phone sitting around and not working. How do you feel about spending $500-600 on a phone off contract ? That would be about what they would want for one.
I'd be interested in getting this working and trash the ESN on my TP2 (with a cracked display) if this was possable (and getting everything working, internet, SMS, etc with no issues) but, I'm not willing to dump $500+ on a phone that I might have problems getting working...If I could get it for $150-200, I'd be all over it though..
Edit: Checked on ebay...brand new, no contract, there is a buyit now for $360, so cheaper than I thought
Latest word on VZW is May 5th...(Next Thursday), I'd wait for that point before even attempting this.
DavidinCT said:
You know how rumors, Windows Phone 7 and Verizon are..... a bunch of bull****... I'll believe it when I see an offical press statement. That phone is just another one of the "Arrive" phones that passed FCC, no other info, it could be going to all the small CDMA carriers for all we know.
To the OP, you said you can't afford to have a phone sitting around and not working. How do you feel about spending $500-600 on a phone off contract ? That would be about what they would want for one.
I'd be interested in getting this working and trash the ESN on my TP2 (with a cracked display) if this was possable (and getting everything working, internet, SMS, etc with no issues) but, I'm not willing to dump $500+ on a phone that I might have problems getting working...If I could get it for $150-200, I'd be all over it though..
Edit: Checked on ebay...brand new, no contract, there is a buyit now for $360, so cheaper than I thought
Latest word on VZW is May 5th...(Next Thursday), I'd wait for that point before even attempting this.
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Yeah, I saw the rumor of 7 Pro coming to Verizon (posted a link to it on another thread yesterday), and I have just about as much faith as you do. I'm unemployed, so no, I really don't want to spend $500 on a phone, but if I had to, I could, but only if it is going to actually work. And yes, I've already been looking on ebay. For the moment, I'm waiting on my refund from Sprint for the two Arrives that my wife and I had, and then I'll decide if I'm going to try it, or if it looks like VZW might actually DO something.
I'm growing more disgruntled with Verizon with every passing day, but unfortunately, they may as well be considered a monopoly where I live. I switched to Sprint for the Arrive, but had to switch back. I can look out my window, across the parking lot, and often see my pastor standing outside the church so he can talk on his ATT phone, and I'm just not willing to do that. So I guess I'm stuck with waiting until VZW gets over its grudge against MS for the Kin debacle. It's just ridiculous.
nganto said:
This is what i did to flash HTC Arrive using another CDMA operator (in this case, Smart Telecom Indonesia):
1. get the MSL/SPC of the phone. you can ask Sprint, or buy it from an unlock service provider (i bought it from nick flash cricket dot net)
2. put the phone in diag mode, using ##MFG#. i use winXP 32bit, and use this driver "HTC BMP USB Driver.zip"
3. connect to QPST. you can change the MSL, network code, IMSI, MDN, PRL, and auth HDR setting (evdo parameters)
4. connect to CDMA workshop to enter the AKEY
5. reboot.
now, my HTC arrive is with Smart Telecom. but alas, i can not unlock it to sideload apps
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The only problem is that may not work for verizon because the esn needs to be added and it won't
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Yeah, I saw the rumor of 7 Pro coming to Verizon (posted a link to it on another thread yesterday), and I have just about as much faith as you do. I'm unemployed, so no, I really don't want to spend $500 on a phone, but if I had to, I could, but only if it is going to actually work. And yes, I've already been looking on ebay. For the moment, I'm waiting on my refund from Sprint for the two Arrives that my wife and I had, and then I'll decide if I'm going to try it, or if it looks like VZW might actually DO something.
I'm growing more disgruntled with Verizon with every passing day, but unfortunately, they may as well be considered a monopoly where I live. I switched to Sprint for the Arrive, but had to switch back. I can look out my window, across the parking lot, and often see my pastor standing outside the church so he can talk on his ATT phone, and I'm just not willing to do that. So I guess I'm stuck with waiting until VZW gets over its grudge against MS for the Kin debacle. It's just ridiculous.
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wp7 on verizon is pretty much fact theres test trophy devices with the verizon logo on them its just a matter of when they are going to release it
Can you, as in physically? Yes. Will they add the ESN for you? No. I read about the process and it has to be done by some really high-up tech guys. They'd lose their job doing it.
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The only problem is that may not work for verizon because the esn needs to be added and it won't
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i don't know about verizon's policy. if they won't put a non verizon esn in their system, then HTC arrive on Verizon will never gonna happen, unless you can change the esn (i heard it's illegal in there).
AFAIK, in Indonesia, cdma operators will be happy to insert as many as possible other operator devices, to increase their ARPU. Competition is very tight in here, so flexibility and new technology adoption are very important. We are expecting evdo rev. B available to public in June
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wp7 on verizon is pretty much fact theres test trophy devices with the verizon logo on them its just a matter of when they are going to release it
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Yep and with the Microsoft eployee poster, it's been coming from mid Jan...We are talking almost 5 months of waiting for a phone to be released. You can show me 10,000 pictures of some phone that could of been photoshopped with a VZW logo (I do think its real tho) but, till we have a press release, it does not matter.
Verizon could wait till June 30th (as some have claimed) are you willing to wait that long ??? I know I'm not.
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Yeah, I saw the rumor of 7 Pro coming to Verizon (posted a link to it on another thread yesterday), and I have just about as much faith as you do. I'm unemployed, so no, I really don't want to spend $500 on a phone, but if I had to, I could, but only if it is going to actually work. And yes, I've already been looking on ebay. For the moment, I'm waiting on my refund from Sprint for the two Arrives that my wife and I had, and then I'll decide if I'm going to try it, or if it looks like VZW might actually DO something.
I'm growing more disgruntled with Verizon with every passing day,..... It's just ridiculous.
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I agree 100%..
I'll tell you what, If we don't have at least a press statement by May 15th, I'll work with you to figure this one out. I'll call and pester tech support to get someone who will activate one (and share it with ya, if possble).
If that won't work, I'll figure out the...ugh...ESN cloning thing and use it from my TP2. I'm serious, you can PM me here or on PPCgeeks under the same user name.
I want this quest to end, if this is what I have to do, I am willing to do it... I'm tired of waiting for VZW to get off their ass and get us paying customers what we want.
I'm so pissed about it, I am seriously looking into going to AT&T and they are ok in my area but, not great. I can always go back within 15 days if I had to
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Yep and with the Microsoft eployee poster, it's been coming from mid Jan...We are talking almost 5 months of waiting for a phone to be released. You can show me 10,000 pictures of some phone that could of been photoshopped with a VZW logo (I do think its real tho) but, till we have a press release, it does not matter.
Verizon could wait till June 30th (as some have claimed) are you willing to wait that long ??? I know I'm not.
I agree 100%..
I'll tell you what, If we don't have at least a press statement by May 15th, I'll work with you to figure this one out. I'll call and pester tech support to get someone who will activate one (and share it with ya, if possble).
If that won't work, I'll figure out the...ugh...ESN cloning thing and use it from my TP2. I'm serious, you can PM me here or on PPCgeeks under the same user name.
I want this quest to end, if this is what I have to do, I am willing to do it... I'm tired of waiting for VZW to get off their ass and get us paying customers what we want.
I'm so pissed about it, I am seriously looking into going to AT&T and they are ok in my area but, not great. I can always go back within 15 days if I had to
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Yeah... We know that at least the poster is official, so the Trophy WILL come to VZW. The question is how long they're going to jerk their paying customers around before it does.
As far as getting an Arrive to work on VZW, it would be so much easier if the new 7 Pro rumor is true AND happens sometime before Jesus comes back. But if you get an Arrive working on VZW, I will definitely be with you. I'm unemployed, so I can't afford to buy a phone if it's going to end up bricked because I did something wrong, and as far as programming, I'm just your basic .NET/SQL programmer without much experience, because at the manufacturing plant I worked at, I was the only IT guy, so I had to do it all, therefore didn't have time to specialize in anything (which is why I'm having so much trouble finding a job). And as far as whether it's legal or not to clone an ESN? Frankly, I don't care. It'd be my phone, so I really don't care what they say I can and cannot do with it.
I really want a phone, though, because I'm planning for this to make me some money, selling in marketplace. I've already paid for my developer account, and had my Sprint phone unlocked the official way, but had to send it back, since I went back to VZW. But that means my dev account is sitting there not making me any money, while the expiration date creeps closer. Also, I signed up for the MS App Garage event in Atlanta next month, so it would be great to have a phone by then. Hopefully we'll know something OFFICIAL soon. I'm so ticked at VZW.....
still would like to know if it's possable to use a ESN from my TP2 and put it on a Arrive...but, if someone could get QPST to work with it and save settings for Verizon, it should work but, it's just getting them to enable the ESN or,,,<G> clone it
DavidinCT said:
still would like to know if it's possable to use a ESN from my TP2 and put it on a Arrive...but, if someone could get QPST to work with it and save settings for Verizon, it should work but, it's just getting them to enable the ESN or,,,<G> clone it
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probably using cdma workshop yes
but again highly illegal considering vzw won't add ESNs of any kind. Heck even if you say that you got your device from HTC themselves, the ESN won't be added