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I think the worst thing about this is how it will affect the everyday Samsung phone user. They've already shown they are willing to even preemptively alter software (local search) in order to avoid lawsuits and after the court loss it's only going to get worse. What updates are on the horizon as Samsung scrambles to avoid more jury "decisions" and patent cases? Sure, maybe it forces them to do something new and imaginative and finally dump the questionable TouchWiz, but the short term could mean bad OTA updates for people who bought an amazing phone. I know I won't be going back to stock.
Some people are wondering why Samsung/Google don't wage war back holding parts or search hostage, but the reality is that they need Apple more than Apple needs them. The gigantic marketshare they hold means Google needs their users eyeballs, and Samsung cannot lose the income from supplying iComponents. They even released a statement during the trial stating they considered the divisions absolutely sealed from one another, signaling loud and clear to Apple it won't even be a bargaining chip.
I hate this. It's all the more sickly ironic when you think back to Apple fighting to survive in Microsoft's shadow, now playing an even worse villain. And Microsoft is probably the one who wins from all this. It seemed like maybe the general tech press was starting to get wise and there was a small voice of outrage beyond just the Android community starting to form in the face of this bulls***, but now that the iPhone and mini-iPad are launching it's just going to be months of the gadget press fellating a minor upgrade in software and form as Apple steamrolls more competitors.
I never understood the Apple vs Microsoft debate, like If you want a PC, just buy one and forget about Mac, who cares it's a computer. But in light of current press, I see the reasoning and I also see why Apple needs to die. Shame on them
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I would also guess that the parts Samsung sells for iPhones are under an ironclad contract and would just create another law suit. Maybe when that contract is up Samsung will double the price of those parts to get their money back.
Just be prepared for all the ones who havent purchased the SGS3 yet. Apple is now going after 4 more devices that Samsung has released since the trial to remove them from the market, and the SGS3 is one of them. It was all over Fox News yesterday. Greedy ass Apple cant take the fact that Android is overtaking them by storm, and they cant compete with the technology and speed Android now has over Apple.
What I am going to find interesting is what other technology Apple will try to use(if they try) since Samsung holds a Lte patent
Samsung already said they are ready to file a suit if the next Iphone has Lte
Imagine the Iphone being banned in the US..... heaven....
From what I understand Samsung is going to keep to its promise and take it to an appeals court that deals more directly with patents.
I saw a list of just a few of the phones that were listed that apple wanted to ban from sales, some of which like the droid charge are 1. out of date and not a big seller anyway and 2. look nothing like the iphone. It amazes me to see how low a company will go to corner the market in the smartphone/tablet industry.
I also know that the galaxy s 3 is a target of apples and the court date is sometime in 2014, which doesnt make a bit of sense since by that time the galaxy s 4 will be out or had been out for sometime and a newer phone would be on the horizon. So the lawsuit to ban the product will be irrelevant, but apple will still try to make a profit off it due to patents.
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From what I understand Samsung is going to keep to its promise and take it to an appeals court that deals more directly with patents.
I saw a list of just a few of the phones that were listed that apple wanted to ban from sales, some of which like the droid charge are 1. out of date and not a big seller anyway and 2. look nothing like the iphone. It amazes me to see how low a company will go to corner the market in the smartphone/tablet industry.
I also know that the galaxy s 3 is a target of apples and the court date is sometime in 2014, which doesnt make a bit of sense since by that time the galaxy s 4 will be out or had been out for sometime and a newer phone would be on the horizon. So the lawsuit to ban the product will be irrelevant, but apple will still try to make a profit off it due to patents.
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Yeah the ban is not really an issue, but the damages will most likely be in billions of $. No really the issue either...
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I also know that the galaxy s 3 is a target of apples and the court date is sometime in 2014, which doesnt make a bit of sense since by that time the galaxy s 4 will be out or had been out for sometime and a newer phone would be on the horizon. So the lawsuit to ban the product will be irrelevant, but apple will still try to make a profit off it due to patents.
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Part of the strategy is to hamper development of the S4, the same as Apple actually had a hand in the S3 (and later versions of the S2) being more round-ish than the original S2. Samsung will probably have to limit certain features of any new phones to avoid the traps Apple has laid (like having the product banned for using unified search, slide to unlock, spelling prediction, and any number of bone-stupid things Apple should have no business dictating to anyone else.) In dodging Apple's bull****, Sammy has more limited design options for the S4 right out of the gate- and like the S3 and Galaxy Note 10.1 that clearly they made look nothing like Apple's stuff... they'll probably STILL get sued.
I like to remind people how Apple blocking sales of the Galaxy Nexus reveals their true motivations. Why? The GNexus doesn't look anything like any of Apple's products, but more importantly, it runs STOCK Android- not Samsung's touchwiz. Apple could basically have sued ANYONE using the same bull**** reasons as they did to block the Nexus, but they once again went after a flagship device that they don't want in the market.
So next time you hear some Apple-apologist say the predictable: "Well if Samsung would just stop copying Apple blah blah blah..." just slap them. It's already public record: Apple sues to block Samsung's most successful designs no-matter-what. Resembles iPhone or not / Touchwiz or completely stock Android. Doesn't matter.
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What I am going to find interesting is what other technology Apple will try to use(if they try) since Samsung holds a Lte patent
Samsung already said they are ready to file a suit if the next Iphone has Lte
Imagine the Iphone being banned in the US..... heaven....
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Apple is a lot of things, but one of them is not stupid. There is just no way that they have been this aggressive toward Samsung if Samsung truly does have this supposed hammer in their back pocket. Worst case, Apple has to pay fair licensing fees for standards essential patents--anything beyond that just doesn't pass the smell test IMO.
The latest iPad is 4G LTE, so I'm not quite sure where people get this idea from that Apple has/will have any problem using LTE in the iPhone 5.
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I just came back to the droid universe, after my wife and I went thru seven Droid X2s. Verizon gave me a free move to an iPhone 4s, and I enjoyed it for a time, but I needed the LTE due to my iPhone really not doing well with data at my office. If I ever thought the battery was crap on the iPhone, I was sorely mistaken, it's terribad on this S3, and that's with Mobile Data turned off, using wifi. That being said, I am really enjoying the new hardware, and thank god there is a decent amount of community support for this device. And LTE just blew the socks off my fiber home internet connection, hell, it doubled it!
Side note, why do people compare hardware + software to the android OS? Pick an android phone and compare it to an iPhone. Don't lump every damn manufacturer of an android phone and compare it to an iPhone. The problem, for me, has always been that the iPhone has a bigger selection of apps and a LOT better accessories. Sounds simple, but when you can't find that exact case that suits you, owning an amazing device with little support... it sucks. I would never trade my new iPad for any android based tablet... can't say the same for phones tho. (although my iPhone just sold for $357 on ebay, which would never happen with any one year old android phone) I pray that Samsung sticks with this handset design... that will foster a lot of aftermarket support. Manufacturers don't like change. Make the internals better, make the the software amazing... just keep a form factor around for a bit. THAT'S why apple does so well, they have a ton of aftermarket support for a crap product that's a year or two late.
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I just came back to the droid universe, after my wife and I went thru seven Droid X2s. Verizon gave me a free move to an iPhone 4s, and I enjoyed it for a time, but I needed the LTE due to my iPhone really not doing well with data at my office. If I ever thought the battery was crap on the iPhone, I was sorely mistaken, it's terribad on this S3, and that's with Mobile Data turned off, using wifi. That being said, I am really enjoying the new hardware, and thank god there is a decent amount of community support for this device. And LTE just blew the socks off my fiber home internet connection, hell, it doubled it!
Side note, why do people compare hardware + software to the android OS? Pick an android phone and compare it to an iPhone. Don't lump every damn manufacturer of an android phone and compare it to an iPhone. The problem, for me, has always been that the iPhone has a bigger selection of apps and a LOT better accessories. Sounds simple, but when you can't find that exact case that suits you, owning an amazing device with little support... it sucks. I would never trade my new iPad for any android based tablet... can't say the same for phones tho. (although my iPhone just sold for $357 on ebay, which would never happen with any one year old android phone) I pray that Samsung sticks with this handset design... that will foster a lot of aftermarket support. Manufacturers don't like change. Make the internals better, make the the software amazing... just keep a form factor around for a bit. THAT'S why apple does so well, they have a ton of aftermarket support for a crap product that's a year or two late.
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I'd have to think that you have a defective phone. Battery life on this beast is incredible. I easily get 24 hours and 4-5 hours of screen time on this phone. And that is with a much bigger screen than the iPhone. As far as resale value, that will be determined when the next phone comes out. I got $280 for a refurb rezound. Not bad.
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I just came back to the droid universe, after my wife and I went thru seven Droid X2s. Verizon gave me a free move to an iPhone 4s, and I enjoyed it for a time, but I needed the LTE due to my iPhone really not doing well with data at my office. If I ever thought the battery was crap on the iPhone, I was sorely mistaken, it's terribad on this S3, and that's with Mobile Data turned off, using wifi. That being said, I am really enjoying the new hardware, and thank god there is a decent amount of community support for this device. And LTE just blew the socks off my fiber home internet connection, hell, it doubled it!
Side note, why do people compare hardware + software to the android OS? Pick an android phone and compare it to an iPhone. Don't lump every damn manufacturer of an android phone and compare it to an iPhone. The problem, for me, has always been that the iPhone has a bigger selection of apps and a LOT better accessories. Sounds simple, but when you can't find that exact case that suits you, owning an amazing device with little support... it sucks. I would never trade my new iPad for any android based tablet... can't say the same for phones tho. (although my iPhone just sold for $357 on ebay, which would never happen with any one year old android phone) I pray that Samsung sticks with this handset design... that will foster a lot of aftermarket support. Manufacturers don't like change. Make the internals better, make the the software amazing... just keep a form factor around for a bit. THAT'S why apple does so well, they have a ton of aftermarket support for a crap product that's a year or two late.
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I had an iphone 4s for like 7 months and I can honestly say that the battery on my s3 is as good or better than the 4s. Also I don't know what stores you shop at but every one I've been to has cases and such for the s3 widely available.
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I had an iphone 4s for like 7 months and I can honestly say that the battery on my s3 is as good or better than the 4s. Also I don't know what stores you shop at but every one I've been to has cases and such for the s3 widely available.
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Yesterday was spent just getting situated with the phone and rooting it. Today I am going to read up a ton more and get smarter on it, hopefully, lol.
Regarding cases and such, you misunderstood me. I know we're both S3 owners, and we might even consider ourselves fanboys... but take the time to be honest about everything that goes with a phone, including accessories. We WANT to have the plethora available to us like Apple does, but we're not even close. Samsung finally stopped releasing different types of the same phone to different carriers, which helped a ton. Where you are not looking at is every other flippin Android device out there. I was a very early owner of the Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1. Very little community support for that device, even here on xda. Usually "community" turns into iPad or Galaxy Tab bashing... and there's not a ton of residual community. At least, for now, the S3 is sexy and everyone seems to enjoy them. The minute the S4 comes out... next year?, this community will dry up. That's the problem for me... I have seen what a large community can do for a phone, which touches almost every part of my life. Hell, I almost bought a rezound over this phone, because of the screen and the radio... but that community might as well be called a ghost town.
Quick question, are you saying a stock S3 is better than an iPhone with regards to battery life? I just started testing out the stock battery tools... trying to not load up a rom yet, as I seriously have owned the phone for less than 24 hours and want to at least know what I am fixing first, lol.
this flame war is getting annoying
why LG Nexus 4 LACK so many good nice cases,
Lets take for example iPhone 5 even before came out there was like premium leather otter box, etc... very nice sexy cases out there.On the other side, even after a month of launch date Considering volume of sales of LG Nexus 4 it is so strange that there is no nice premium cases yet, there is however silicone covers and plastic snap on cases, which I personally think destroy the nice look of LG Nexus 4.
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Because most case makers think theres no market for it since the phone initially came out with no provider in mind and if its not a flagship of a provider usually theres no commercials or advertising about it. So most of the time the people will know about it are people like us, word of mouth or online advertising. They don't really know the demand for these and it would be their loss and the few companies who do pick up on them will get on in on it. Thats why you see those companies of asks for votes or requests so they can see the demand and how much money they will be making etc... (little did they know people were buying bumpers on ebay for $100)
I would wait a while though, if they do release the phone in more countries it will start picking up. Now with iPhone or the S3 there is a lot because of international audience.
Noreve released their case for the nexus today.
I've had a lot experience with them and they are of extremely good quality, especially the "Exception Selection".
http://www.noreve.com/langue/en/product/LG_Google_Nexus_4_Tradition_leather_case.html
I'm just not sure if I want a flip case.
Because they are dumb, basically. It seems this market is a reactionary one. They don't know the value of being the first to market or predicting success. They just make a case for the next iPhone and whatever android phone is being advertised like crazy. Then everything else afterwards.
If any of those guys had come out with a case first they would likely have gotten a good majority of the sales with barely any competition
It won't sell at the volume of any iPhone. And Google doesn't send out units before launch so case makers have to wait to get a phone then go through the whole process of designing, etc.
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Seido has a page with "Under Development" listed for it.
http://www.seidioonline.com/seidio-LG-Nexus-4-s/8594.htm
All these other companies are too busy jumping on apple's stick. And that's just the honest truth.
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All these other companies are too busy jumping on apple's stick. And that's just the honest truth.
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To be fair, and I'm not even being "genderist" but a large % of iPhone users are girls and they own a large amount of cases. They feel that it's necessary to have a case matching their outfits. iPhones just have a bigger market for accessories such as cases and it is one iconic phone whereas Android has phones coming out every other week.
Case makers are businesses and businesses' primary goal is to maximize their profits. They just don't feel that Nexus devices are as profitable as other phones such as iPhone, Galaxy S3 or Galaxy Note.
Samsung's Galaxy is becoming a very powerful brand. I feel that if Google/LG had a more successful launch with Nexus 4 inventory, case manufacturers would of been more eager to make a case for the phone as phone sales are booming, sadly they're missing the holiday timeframe.
http://ansonalex.com/infographics/android-users-vs-iphone-users-the-demographics/ for proof. This was last years' so a lot of stuff has changed, surprised we haven't one of these for the year of 2012 as I feel that it is a lot different than how it was in 2011.
Case manufacturers make cases only for devices that sell exceptionally well. No matter how Apple map sucks and no matter how each and every Android fanboy think the iPhone 5 sucks, it was guaranteed a big seller even before it was available.
The Nexus 4, on the other hand, is not one such phone. First of all, it is highly unavailable. And even if Google was able to fulfill all the orders placed (and will be placed), still only a fraction of the iPhone number of Nexus 4 would be sold (remember, without huge ad campaign and carrier support).
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All these other companies are too busy jumping on apple's stick. And that's just the honest truth.
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Except they're making cases for plenty of other phones that have come out recently besides the iPhone...
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All these other companies are too busy jumping on apple's stick. And that's just the honest truth.
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Actually the companies jump on whatever stick will make them the most money (which is why there are a million iphone 5 and gs3 cases/docks/etc.) and I don't blame them. The nexus s sold <0.5 million units, the gnex roughly sold 4x that and the n4 is unlikely to match that (supply issues and only being sold through tmo.)
So why would companies make accessories for devices that are going to sell <2M units in their life when they can make accessories for devices that will sell 40M in a year?
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To be fair, and I'm not even being "genderist" but a large % of iPhone users are girls and they own a large amount of cases.
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To be fair, you are.
Because they do for lots of other devices that sell in the same range? It is simple forecasting and ROI.
The problem here is that Google is simply not that good at commerce. And it ripples through the accessories ecosystem.
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Actually the companies jump on whatever stick will make them the most money (which is why there are a million iphone 5 and gs3 cases/docks/etc.) and I don't blame them. The nexus s sold <0.5 million units, the gnex roughly sold 4x that and the n4 is unlikely to match that (supply issues and only being sold through tmo.)
So why would companies make accessories for devices that are going to sell <2M units in their life when they can make accessories for devices that will sell 40M in a year?
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To be fair, you are.
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Not at all. Check the stats on the bottom of my post. Proven fact that girls are more likely to be using I phones. Possibly be sure they have smaller hands or are just on the trend where their friends use I phones so they use it too for face time I message whatever. They are more likely to buy multiple cases in different colors for their different outfits. Us guys just have one case and we let it be.
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Not at all. Check the stats on the bottom of my post. Proven fact that girls are more likely to be using I phones. Possibly be sure they have smaller hands or are just on the trend where their friends use I phones so they use it too for face time I message whatever. They are more likely to buy multiple cases in different colors for their different outfits. Us guys just have one case and we let it be.
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There is one report that says women are more likely to buy an iphone, with no sample size or any other info given by the way, everything else you said (like women owning more cases) is anecdotal.
The female iphone owners I know typically have 1 case whereas all the male android owners I know have multiple cases, myself included, because we usually have a slim case and an armored case (otterbox) depending on what situation we will be in. Of course I would never state my anecdotal evidence as fact.
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There is one report that says women are more likely to buy an iphone, with no sample size or any other info given by the way, everything else you said (like women owning more cases) is anecdotal.
The female iphone owners I know typically have 1 case whereas all the male android owners I know have multiple cases, myself included, because we usually have a slim case and an armored case (otterbox) depending on what situation we will be in. Of course I would never state my anecdotal evidence as fact.
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Depends on where you're from. I know people here have multiple cases and change them based on their outfits as I am from New York City. I personally only have one case, but it definitely helps companies decide whether or not they want to want make a case for that phone. Knowing that people who buy multiple iPhone cases to swap them out helps them in that case.
I'm not even saying Otterboxes or things like that. There are a numerous amount of cases orientated towards females, they buy it for the design.
http://www.barbiecollector.com/shop/accessory/barbie-iphone-case-f5073
http://www.youtube.com/results?sear....8.0.97.870.12.12.0...0.0...1ac.1.Mipbzvh7ZjU
... all the youtube results are girls. if you type "android case collectors" "galaxy s3 case collectors "<any other phone> case collectors"
at this point, i strongly believe its common sense that girls are more than likely to have more than ONE iphone case for its design / style. but then again, who am I to say that since this is a "developer" website ... just my observations based on personal experience as a student
edit: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNPWAKAmvgY look how silly this video is. 207K views
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6CmWXvXPtds 110K views.
back to on point....... basically, higher # of sales on device determines whether or not a company is willing to invest money into producing a case for the phone.
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Depends on where you're from. I know people here have multiple cases and change them based on their outfits as I am from New York City. I personally only have one case, but it definitely helps companies decide whether or not they want to want make a case for that phone. Knowing that people who buy multiple iPhone cases to swap them out helps them in that case.
I'm not even saying Otterboxes or things like that. There are a numerous amount of cases orientated towards females, they buy it for the design.
http://www.barbiecollector.com/shop/accessory/barbie-iphone-case-f5073
http://www.youtube.com/results?sear....8.0.97.870.12.12.0...0.0...1ac.1.Mipbzvh7ZjU
... all the youtube results are girls. if you type "android case collectors" "galaxy s3 case collectors "<any other phone> case collectors"
at this point, i strongly believe its common sense that girls are more than likely to have more than ONE iphone case for its design / style. but then again, who am I to say that since this is a "developer" website ... just my observations based on personal experience as a student
edit: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNPWAKAmvgY look how silly this video is. 207K views
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6CmWXvXPtds 110K views.
back to on point....... basically, higher # of sales on device determines whether or not a company is willing to invest money into producing a case for the phone.
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You are so right with my fiance she has cases based on her outfit. I do have multiple cases but mine are for functionality for the situation I'm in. I would never buy a iPhone though but my fiance did she had a iPhone 3 then a iPhone 4s and now she is using my Galaxy Skyrocket she loves android now that I converted her. She was always asking why I can mod my phone so much and she cant. So I let her use my Skyrocket and she wont give it back. But she is in love with my "sparkly" phone Lol but little does she know she has one under the tree already rooted and unlocked boot loader.
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zephiK said:
Depends on where you're from. I know people here have multiple cases and change them based on their outfits as I am from New York City. I personally only have one case, but it definitely helps companies decide whether or not they want to want make a case for that phone. Knowing that people who buy multiple iPhone cases to swap them out helps them in that case.
I'm not even saying Otterboxes or things like that. There are a numerous amount of cases orientated towards females, they buy it for the design.
http://www.barbiecollector.com/shop/accessory/barbie-iphone-case-f5073
http://www.youtube.com/results?sear....8.0.97.870.12.12.0...0.0...1ac.1.Mipbzvh7ZjU
... all the youtube results are girls. if you type "android case collectors" "galaxy s3 case collectors "<any other phone> case collectors"
at this point, i strongly believe its common sense that girls are more than likely to have more than ONE iphone case for its design / style. but then again, who am I to say that since this is a "developer" website ... just my observations based on personal experience as a student
edit: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNPWAKAmvgY look how silly this video is. 207K views
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6CmWXvXPtds 110K views.
back to on point....... basically, higher # of sales on device determines whether or not a company is willing to invest money into producing a case for the phone.
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I'm in LA, the land of plastic people, but that again doesn't mean I would use my personal experiences and present them as fact...that is all.
So two days ago Apple finally did it, they released their smartwatch that has been rumored for the last year and a half now, if not longer. The good news for Android.. I'd like to say we still win. Especially in terms of design (Moto 360). What do you guys think, are you still pro Android Wear or now on Apples side? Or do you not feel like smartwatches aren't even worth it right now?
To be honest, I feel like this entire subsection of products is still in its infancy stages. I feel like this could be a viable technology outlet but no one's really sure what to do with it yet. We're on the road there, but it isn't perfected and no ones cracked the case of what would make these things MUST-HAVE.
It really depends what other devices you have. If you have Android devices, an Android Wear device will work with them. If you have iOS devices, you get an Apple Watch.
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To be honest, I feel like this entire subsection of products is still in its infancy stages. I feel like this could be a viable technology outlet but no one's really sure what to do with it yet. We're on the road there, but it isn't perfected and no ones cracked the case of what would make these things MUST-HAVE.
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Agreed. The Moto 360 is definitely the best looking, but it's freaking thick. The iWatch isn't bad looking, but is only compatible with the most recent of iPhones, which is effing stupid. I've never seen anybody wearing a smartwatch, but then I don't live in NYC or LA, so I don't know if it's really trendy yet or not. Frankly, I think the smartwatch is either, as you said, in its infancy, or an attempted fad that'll never become popular. They're big, heavy, thick, and require daily (if not more) charging. I'd wager that many people that buy a smartwatch will use it for a few days, maybe even a few weeks, but give up on it because it's just not worth bothering with.
this whole trend of smart watches is just ridiculous , seriously i had big hopes with apple of innovating the smart watch (and wasnt expecting anything from motorola and LG , samsung is out of equation) but they did nothing , ugly over priced full of gimmicks with one day battery ( LOL ) , funny and sad how corporates are looking for pathetic ways to milk people as if planned obsolescence wasnt enough with their flagships problem is people who dont even *need* them will end up buying them only to realize after playing it for a week that they dont really *need* it.
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this whole trend of smart watches is just ridiculous , seriously i had big hopes with apple of innovating the smart watch (and wasnt expecting anything from motorola and LG , samsung is out of equation) but they did nothing , ugly over priced full of gimmicks with one day battery ( LOL ) , funny and sad how corporates are looking for pathetic ways to milk people as if planned obsolescence wasnt enough with their flagships problem is people who dont even *need* them will end up buying them only to realize after playing it for a week that they dont really *need* it.
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I agree to an extent but this is the state of technology these days. Instead of holding onto a product and really delving into how to make it unique and innovative, there's a need to just get on the market quickly. From there they can update, hear complaints, see results and whatnot. It makes sense to see how people respond and what uses they find for it, so it's hard to say that it's a completely bad idea IMO.
I'm starting to look for a new phone and the Essential has piqued my interest, but, it seems like there have been quite a few start up problems associated with new products.
So, since the World Mobile Congress is happening at the end of the month and Essential has a spot reserved in it, I was wondering if there has been any leaks, rumors or news associated with it? I was hoping for news of an Essential 2 or a ph-2? New release? Anything?
Thx.
Probably just new colors and accessories. They have their hands full dealing with the PH-1.
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Maybe they will showcase new PH-1 accessories that they have no intention of ever making. LOL
Just maybe, Essential is winding down their beta project (PH-1) and is focused on their first truly production phone.
artiemon said:
Just maybe, Essential is winding down their beta project (PH-1) and is focused on their first truly production phone.
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Maybe... Although with this phone flopping the way it did, I don't know how much I would invest in the next phone if I were them or their investors... The PH-1 was a failure. They lost money on every unit they sold. If Andy had not raised so much capital to keep them afloat, they would have closed their doors by now.
The vision was ambitious and great. The execution, not so much.
There are a lot of B.S. articles out there no doubt, and there were some growing pains... But I wouldn't give up my PH-1 for any other phone right now. I love it... no case since launch, and still looks great, camera is pretty good now. battery life spectacular, Looking forward to whatever they have to offer next
dca1970 said:
There are a lot of B.S. articles out there no doubt, and there were some growing pains... But I wouldn't give up my PH-1 for any other phone right now. I love it... no case since launch, and still looks great, camera is pretty good now. battery life spectacular, Looking forward to whatever they have to offer next
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I like most things about it. I am just annoyed at bugs, and the progression of updates isn't as good as I would have hoped. Yes, they put out 16 camera updates over 5 months, but that isn't exactly a ringing endorsement... that they HAD to put out so many updates just to get the camera up to "mediocre" status... LOL
Like anything, if it works for you and makes you happy, enjoy it! I am just on the fence with it...
SquireSCA said:
Maybe... Although with this phone flopping the way it did, I don't know how much I would invest in the next phone if I were them or their investors... The PH-1 was a failure. They lost money on every unit they sold. If Andy had not raised so much capital to keep them afloat, they would have closed their doors by now.
The vision was ambitious and great. The execution, not so much.
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Failure?
You need to define failure.
I have a friend on Sprint that has hated just about every phone she had Android and iPhone.
She absolutely loves the PH-1.
I have a PH-1 and it is by far the best phone I've owned.
Here is my list that I've owned:
SCH-i600W (Windows flip phone)
SCH-i760
Treo 700W
BB Storm 1
BB Storm 2
DroidX
Droid Bionic
Droid Razr
Droid Razr Maxx
Galaxy S4
LG G3
iPhone 6 plus
Nexus 6P
LG G6
Essential PH-1
There are some true failures in that list.
If you want to base success on how many sold you might be right.
What they learned though was how difficult it is to launch a device.
They leaned to roll out updates.
They learned how they need to support customers.
They learned how to partner, although they picked a crappy one (Sprint).
But overall as a new player in the high end market, I wouldn't call them a failure.
Failure defined by sales numbers and how much money they lost on this phone.
SquireSCA said:
Yeah, few failures on that list. I have had a few that were not on the list as well, I am betting that we all have.
One thing that I will say, and this is based on several tech articles that I have read in the past couple weeks, is that the market is changing a bit. It's not the wide open market that it was in a lot of ways, even just a few years ago. One article pointed out that a company like OnePlus, got really lucky. They hit at the right time, but for someone else to do it again in 2017/18 faces more challenges.
Oh well, time will tell I guess.
I love new products and the more there are, the more competition there is. I don't want a world made up of just Apple and Samsung. But we are gonna have to sift through a few lemons to find that occasional diamond in the rough...
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Considering that Google only sold ~4 Million of Pixel and Pixel 2 phones of all types last year, calling the Essential a complete failure might be a bit premature.
The sales numbers might be low, but I think that this is just indicative of how difficult it is to compete with Apple and Samsung and nothing else.
I like innovative an new products.
No matter what they say about Essential, they were first to the party with a phone that had a huge screen and minimal bezels.
They have a build quality and hand feel second to none.
I don't plan on replacing this phone for a while.
I only with I could get a Poetic Affinity case. That is my favorite case and I've had one on my last three phones.
To be fair, 80k is a lot less than 4 mill. Lol
SquireSCA said:
To be fair, 80k is a lot less than 4 mill. Lol
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88K.
But think about the size of the companies and length of time in the market.
Google had all year and only sold 4 Million. That's 333K per month. That's a rally low number.
Essential started shipping in the second half of the year and was an unknown company.
So if you put it into perspective. We don't know if the company is a failure or not, is all I'm saying.
The time on the market is not statistically significant enough to draw any conclusion.
I just know I like my PH-1.
88k shipped, not sold. Plus, how many returns?
Sorry guys. Didn't mean to start a phone bashing thread.
No bashing. The situation is what it is.
gimpy1 said:
Sorry guys. Didn't mean to start a phone bashing thread.
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https://www.cnet.com/news/essential-teases-something/?ftag=COS-05-10aaa0e&linkId=48081019
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Hmm....
So this is the choice i have. start giving out warnings/infractions or you all have a civilized conversation without name callings of any sort or bashing each other ?
You all don't need to reply just answer yourself and proceed as i know what i would be doing next if this continues.
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I hope the company survives. Overall I am pretty happy with my PH-1. I much prefer it to any Scamsung product. And everywhere you go, Samsung and Apple are the only choices. That needs to end. Can't find an HTC anywhere to put my hands on despite it being critically acclaimed as one of the best devices of 2017. Pathetic. I asked about the PH-1 at Best Buy and the employee said they might have 1 in the back but there just wasn't enough display space. They had about 30 Samsung and iPhones on display though.....
chiadrum said:
I hope the company survives. Overall I am pretty happy with my PH-1. I much prefer it to any Scamsung product. And everywhere you go, Samsung and Apple are the only choices. That needs to end. Can't find an HTC anywhere to put my hands on despite it being critically acclaimed as one of the best devices of 2017. Pathetic. I asked about the PH-1 at Best Buy and the employee said they might have 1 in the back but there just wasn't enough display space. They had about 30 Samsung and iPhones on display though.....
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I like the my PH-1 and you'll need to pry it from my cold dead hands.
I can't think of any other phone I like better.
I just wish that Poetic made the Affinity case for the PH-1. :crying:
tech_head said:
Considering that Google only sold ~4 Million of Pixel and Pixel 2 phones of all types last year, calling the Essential a complete failure might be a bit premature.
The sales numbers might be low, but I think that this is just indicative of how difficult it is to compete with Apple and Samsung and nothing else.
I like innovative an new products.
No matter what they say about Essential, they were first to the party with a phone that had a huge screen and minimal bezels.
They have a build quality and hand feel second to none.
I don't plan on replacing this phone for a while.
I only with I could get a Poetic Affinity case. That is my favorite case and I've had one on my last three phones.
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Considering that officially they only sell in the US...
It is a new product. I doubt anybody would expect too a million phones in 3 months or something.
Has some issues, yes. First gen stuff always does. Even second and third gen do.
Works Ok for a first gen. Does what I need to do.
I don't have brand loyalty to anything, may buy something else in a few months. Maybe even a PH-2...
Lots of threads with discussion about the notch itself, please continue to post your love or hate for notches on those threads. This thread is strictly for addressing the hoax theory and why you think it's either true or false.
My own opinion is a straight up not sure, I cant deny it seems unlikely Google pulled it off but on the other side of the coin there is a lot of material that makes me go, "hmmmm." I think the largest thing that comes to mind is in regards to the lost phones. It's hard to believe any outfit could be so inept and their response seems to be incredibly lackadaisical considering the corporate secrets/strategy/ intellectual property involved. I expect a response much more like what you will all recall came from the Fruit company when their phone was left in a restaurant but that absolutely didn't happen.
It would be great if there were a different phone than the one we've seen on stage for the reveal but I don't think that will happen. The leaks were pretty phony but I don't think their purpose was a giant prank. That would be very cool, but unlikely. I think I'm getting more accepting as I get older. I'm not crazy about that notch but it's not a deal breaker for me. There are too many things I like about the Pixel phones to let that ruin it. I'm glad the new forums are up. Part of the fun of a new Pixel is the conversation here. I hope it isn't just a bash the notch fest. Maybe a designated thread for that would work. Unless there is no notch...
It is a deal breaker for me
Gents, please, your love/hate of the notch already has many a thread for you to express your opinions. This one is for the alleged possibility of Google pulling one over on the leak machine or not if that be the case. Thanks for your forbearance.
krabman said:
Gents, please, your love/hate of the notch already has many a thread for you to express your opinions. This one is for the alleged possibility of Google pulling one over on the leak machine or not if that be the case. Thanks for your forbearance.
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You are right, the last thing I'd want to do is fuel the notch discussion. If Google pulled that off it would be great. The fact that there is even speculation about it is quite an accomplishment on their part.
I love to beat on Google as much as the next guy but there is no way I'm not throwing them some cred if they really did get one over on all of us. It would change the leak factory over night to one of much greater uncertainty. Right now I feel likei know what a phone is before the reveal almost every time.
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The notch does look a bit too big, not sure it would be a deal breaker for me. I recently just traded my note 8 for a pixel 2 XL i missed the pure android feel so i may wait until its in the store and i can see it in person to tell if it ridiculously too big or just something to get use to. As cool as it would be for google to have tricked us all and have a surprise big notch free device i highly doubt it even a possibility , but i guess we will see in a few weeks
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what i am concerned about is that apple hasn't gone after anybody for notch designs. they weren't the first, though i am quite sure many of their fans think so, but this will probably be most high profile phone with a notch even though the sales won't be there to back it up. i'm sure the apple hate will grow even larger if the XL 3 does indeed have a notch and apple makes a lawsuit against google. i am still aggravated apple started suing OEMS, especially google, to inforce their patent for one press app openings when you have multiple apps to choose from. because of apple, we have to press twice. so petty, especially for a trillion dollar company that doesn't own any factories and has the power to make working conditions better for workers even though they don't those factories. let's not forget apple is also exempt from the tariff trade war. we shall see.
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Lol
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Thanks for the LOL mate...
Why didn't Google add more RAM for more ROM on this device knowing that they are going to charge so much for it? P.S. please bring the headphone jack back with an unlocked FM Radio chip.
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It's wide open gents and you don't even need to search for duplicate threads because there are so few; you can post a thread about a wish list for the pixel 4, a thread to complain about any lack or omissions in the 3, or, a thread to discuss a lawsuit that wont happen because third doesn't get to complain about being copied. But that would be on those threads, not here. We're not even complaining about the notch here. This is just where we're discussing the possibility of Goog being involved in a subterfuge to mask exactly what they're going to deliver with the 18 Pixel devices.
At this point with Goog releasing official renders you have to figure the only trick left is if they actually have a 3rd device, the so called "Ultra". The thinking being something along the lines of Apple outing a phone which hadn't even seen the FCC to keep it secret and releasing after the leaked devices. I'm doubtful on the concept but that's the only remaining hope for those hoping to go big and notchless with Pixel this year.