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It's 2006, I've got 500MHz+, VGA, but STILL no decent IE?

PIE sucks balls.
The cache, since it still clearly loads each and every page repeatedly, doesn't work.
Modifying favourites is tedious.
No Multi-Tabs.
No Flash (was able to add that manually though).
No way of remembering what I've previously entered in forms.
No easy "search text within a page".
It really makes thing more tedious than they need t be.
Enter MINIMO!
Well, no.
Tried it, and although it's only Beta, I'd still prefer to watch paint dry than watch this chug along.
C'mon, someone release a decent browser! Where's Opera??

belfast-biker: knocking PIE is one thing, but what about full blown IE on the PC!? At least we know tabbed browsing is coming on the PC though. But as written elsewhere, if MS makes anything too good, they get knocked for anti-competitive practice. So this suggests that if we use their standard products, then we're also happy to use sub-optimal software
I was writing to Buzz yesterday that when you read up on it, there's so much potential in the OS under the skin, but as implemented in the standard device it's fairly conservative. If you delve into some of the stuff that can be done with the OS, it's amazing how much of it is tethered to the basics.
Personally I'm quite happy with the standard PIM and OS functionality, but then I also like peeling it apart for my own customisations. It's unlikely MS is going to improve PIE much beyond minor incremental improvements because if the PC version isn't, the "baby" version surely won't.
On the PC I wrote my own browser to satisfy my needs, and I think unfortunately the PPC will need the same treatment. But at least now we've got the choice of PIE, ftxPBrowser, Opera, Minimo and Netfront, amongst others. I don't think we should expect MS to improve PIE, but those third party suppliers certainly should certainly be in a position to address its weaknesses.
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vijay555 said:
belfast-biker: knocking PIE is one thing, but what about full blown IE on the PC!? At least we know tabbed browsing is coming on the PC though. But as written elsewhere, if MS makes anything too good, they get knocked for anti-competitive practice. So this suggests that if we use their standard products, then we're also happy to use sub-optimal software
I was writing to Buzz yesterday that when you read up on it, there's so much potential in the OS under the skin, but as implemented in the standard device it's fairly conservative. If you delve into some of the stuff that can be done with the OS, it's amazing how much of it is tethered to the basics.
Personally I'm quite happy with the standard PIM and OS functionality, but then I also like peeling it apart for my own customisations. It's unlikely MS is going to improve PIE much beyond minor incremental improvements because if the PC version isn't, the "baby" version surely won't.
On the PC I wrote my own browser to satisfy my needs, and I think unfortunately the PPC will need the same treatment. But at least now we've got the choice of PIE, ftxPBrowser, Opera, Minimo and Netfront, amongst others. I don't think we should expect MS to improve PIE, but those third party suppliers certainly should certainly be in a position to address its weaknesses.
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Well I'm certainly not one to knock MS for writing good software - forcing people to use it, exclude others, that's different - but for writing good software? Never any hassle from me!
As for the choices, ftx doesn't work apparently with WM5.0, a compatible Opera isn't out yet, Minimo is incredibly non-responsive most of the time and pretty, but pretty useless too, and Netfront, haven't tried that yet but even Access haven't verified it yet for WM5 really.
Imagine if the XBOX360 were released, and the only first person shooter available was Wolfenstein? This is practically the same thing! Were the developers not told that MS were releasing a new OS or something? You yourself have written many apps for WM5.0 so far, why are the big commercial boys seemingly so far behind? Didn't the prospect of being the creator of the first and best fully featured, VGA, fast, stable browser appeal to them?

As for the choices, ftx doesn't work apparently with WM5.0, a compatible Opera isn't out yet, Minimo is incredibly non-responsive most of the time and pretty, but pretty useless too, and Netfront, haven't tried that yet but even Access haven't verified it yet for WM5 really.
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ftx certainly works for me on WM5. It's far from perfect, but it's very useful for multitab browsing, especially in VGA. I prefer MultiIE on WM2003, and look forward to the WM5 version.
Opera is out, at least for WM5. Some people seem to be liking it.
Minimo is certainly far from finished I understand. I think people might be looking at the problem the wrong way round if they try to squeeze Mozilla into the PPC. They need to start with the rendering engine and strip off everything else; that's what I did for my desktop browser. The PPC version needs to be simple for the CPU. But the current version is an Alpha I think?
Netfront: I tried it once, but not since. The technical preview is out for WM5 I believe, and it will have proper java support, but again, if you're using java on a PDA, your asking for slowness I think But java+flash, Netfront is probably the best way to go IMHO. Will have to give it a go one day!
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vijay555 said:
ftx certainly works for me on WM5. It's far from perfect, but it's very useful for multitab browsing, especially in VGA. I prefer MultiIE on WM2003, and look forward to the WM5 version.
Opera is out, at least for WM5. Some people seem to be liking it.
Minimo is certainly far from finished I understand. I think people might be looking at the problem the wrong way round if they try to squeeze Mozilla into the PPC. They need to start with the rendering engine and strip off everything else; that's what I did for my desktop browser. The PPC version needs to be simple for the CPU. But the current version is an Alpha I think?
Netfront: I tried it once, but not since. The technical preview is out for WM5 I believe, and it will have proper java support, but again, if you're using java on a PDA, your asking for slowness I think But java+flash, Netfront is probably the best way to go IMHO. Will have to give it a go one day!
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Opera - "Opera Mobile™ for PPC and Windows Mobile 5.0 will come soon" If it's out and working, their marketing guys are doing a piss poor job.
ftxbrowser - A glance on google only brings up people who have found that it doesn't work, or downloads referring to WM2003. If you've a link to one that works, I'd appreciate it, wouldn't mind giving it a go if it has your seal of approval!
Minimo, as you say, it's probably an alpha, we probably shouldn't expect too much.
Netfront - people are reporting that 3.3 crashes if you go to a link that opens in a new window.

Opera:
I presume you've seen this thread
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FTX: can't say I did anything special, just installed the WM2003 cab. Works fine for me. I hope. I never had any problems with it, it's just not particularly userfriendly right now, but the basic idea works fine. I never used it on Wm2003, so it was news to me!
http://park15.wakwak.com/~ftx/index_e.html
Minimo. Yep, some way to go.
Netfront. Same, technical preview. I'm sure they'll get it sorted, it's sure to be a money spinner!
I think Opera's your best bet for now...but even then, it doesn't address many of your concerns in the first post!
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Just read that thread, think I'll pass on Opera for now - I'll go investigate ftx!
As is increasingly the case lately, I'm in your debt!

Pointui ?? A new wm interface ?

Hey guys, dont know if anyone has come across this yet but for those who havent it looks like there may be a new interface for your wm device. Its called Pointui but as yet theres not a lot of info just a youtube vid and some screen shots on flicker, the web site just shows a countdown to what apperes to be the new year but by the look of the screens it might be something to keep your eye on
Youtube link : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pUBWYErW3s
Flicker link :http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/
Web site :http://there-is-no-place-like-home.com/

I must say after having look at it, I'd be very intrested to try this out when its released. It looks very slick

WOW I'm surprised that there has been less buzz about this. I'm intrigued!

Yes, seems to be inspired by the iPhone but no proof to say its a Windows Mobile device?
Regards,
Carty..

If you click on the youtube uploaders username and look at the other vid you can see that its running on a Wizard
Wizard specs..
Processor: OMAP850 - 195Mhz
Memory: 128 MB of ROM and 64 MB of RAM
Should run fine on my Orbit !!

Interesting
Looks promising. I wonder if it is flash driven or C+ coded. A little strange how the video shows him sliding his finger to the right and the screen animation goes left?? That would drive me nuts!

Carty said:
Yes, seems to be inspired by the iPhone but no proof to say its a Windows Mobile device?
Regards,
Carty..
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...Also, you'll note very shortly into the demo the "Windows Mobile Settings" menu option...

I watched the video a couple of times and it seems to move very smoothly and quickly. I really like the way it works...........HAVE A HAPPY NEW YEAR.

Thanks for the positive feedback. I'd say its more inspired by frustration of what I call Windows 3.11 Syndrome and poor excuses for performance because they have limited memory and slower cpus.
Never used an iPhone, sure looks nice. Not sure about user interaction consistency across all their apps which is something we hope to achieve with our framework.
Rest assured this is running on Windows Mobile. Unlike so many others we haven't forgotten those with Windows Mobile 2003.

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...Also, you'll note very shortly into the demo the "Windows Mobile Settings" menu option...
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Plus you can see "Windows Mobile" as the second option:
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And Active Sync as option two on this one:
Anyone else have any info on this project?

dorothyg07 said:
Thanks for the positive feedback. I'd say its more inspired by frustration of what I call Windows 3.11 Syndrome and poor excuses for performance because they have limited memory and slower cpus.
Never used an iPhone, sure looks nice. Not sure about user interaction consistency across all their apps which is something we hope to achieve with our framework.
Rest assured this is running on Windows Mobile. Unlike so many others we haven't forgotten those with Windows Mobile 2003.
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Wow--amazing ui. I share your frustration with the Win 3.11 syndrome but I hate that other people keep using the iPhone comparison. The iPhone is like a new puppy--everyone loves it because it's cute and could do simple things (email, web, music, movies, pictures, oh calls too). After awhile, then what? Everyone here can name 100 things their PDA/Phone can do more than the iPhone--except on tiny little thing....and that's doing it with style! Swipe here, roll there, flip here, touch there, whatever which way.
Pointui will complete my PDA and will probably get more people to buy a Win Mobile device now that it's balanced with usability and functionality. Thanks, can't wait for Jan 1.

Dorothy, can you give us any idea as to when you'll be offering this up to the public, and are you planning this as a freeware app or will you be charging for use?

simplicity05, the answers to your questions can be found at there-is-no-place-like-home.com

I checked that just a few hours ago and all it had was a timer counting down to the new year haha!

Oh My God. This looks so freaking sweet!

Im sure you guys have clicked it but heres the link to the pointui main site http://www.pointui.com/
Says it will be available for download as soon as the clock from no place like home reaches 0. Wooo.
If it runs that fast on a 195mhz device, thats great news. All these iPhone clones run slow on my 247mhz orbit (overclocked) ... so, looking forward to this one.

Im back again
Just watched this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRw1T-N5dic
Seems it uses the standard WM phone pad, which sucks, hope they do there own phone pad/full phone system thing. Also, wonder how the text messages/email is handles, hopefully not the standard WM outlook??? Any guys in the know about this?

The scrolling/changing screens by sliding your finger seems counter-intuitive. I like how on my touch I grab and pull to the side of the cube I want, this Pointui looks like it is grab and push towards the place you want to go, very awkward...
Other than that, it looks very interesting!

Actually I think that scrolling the finger to go to the next screen is really sleek and intuitive.
And the speed is amazing! Really smooth, even on a Wizard! OMFG! These guys know how to program
From the screenshots and video I only miss some antialiasing on some text (top text saying "telstra", and some text on the initial screen), and it would be great to integrate further apps into Home, like the phone and messages (read, write, send).

I think this will be, again, one of those applications that disappoint the moment I press one of the "system menu" buttons and end up in the WM6 menu without any transition.
Becaus then, it just doesn't make any sense... Man, being all happy that you can go through the menu with your finger just to find out that if you REALLY want to make system changes you have to use the old stylus again sucks.
I think all the iPhone cloning is a massive backleash...

Im pissed off now.. no dedicated Facebook app for windows mobile.. WHY THE HELL NOT

I'll let the picture do most of the talking
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Xperia (sadly exclusive thanks to the 'panels' and sony ericssons efforts to fragment the windows mobile community)
Us..
Its now come to the point where I am convinced developers do not see a future with windows mobile and do not see development for the platform as worth it. Yet we have plenty of high end devices such as Diamond, Omnia, HD etc.. I mean, look how Pandora is coming along...
So im willing to DONATE MONEY to anyone who can convert the xperia facebook panel into a stand alone facebook app for the rest of us. To those of you who also feel the need for a decent facebook app, please show your support here..

im pissed off too
i just go on skyfire or opera and go to iphone.facebook.com

bedaweed said:
im pissed off too
i just go on skyfire or opera and go to iphone.facebook.com
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and it is so easy to do too

domineus said:
and it is so easy to do too
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no tidy inbox or alert system
no full screen images
no live chat
no ability to upload images/video
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need I go on...
Why should Windows Mobile users settle on some second rate version missing key features

It is one reasons id love a blackberry like the storm b/c of the "always on" facebook and the interface. I dont understand why people dont develop more for windows mobile. Its not like they dont push phones like the touch pro. The ones they have now look like they are from 1996 with the graphics.

nm- I see its already been discussed

domineus said:
and it is so easy to do too
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not the point
Add this app too http://igadgetlife.com/2008/06/30/bbc-iplayer-goes-mobile/

darthbane2k said:
Xperia (sadly exclusive thanks to the 'panels' and sony ericssons efforts to fragment the windows mobile community)
Us..
Its now come to the point where I am convinced developers do not see a future with windows mobile and do not see development for the platform as worth it. Yet we have plenty of high end devices such as Diamond, Omnia, HD etc.. I mean, look how Pandora is coming along...
So im willing to DONATE MONEY to anyone who can convert the xperia facebook panel into a stand alone facebook app for the rest of us. To those of you who also feel the need for a decent facebook app, please show your support here..
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you seem to have the Touch HD, so you are actually luckier than every1 else my friend.
http://pocketnow.com/index.php?a=portal_detail&t=news&id=6277
Panels on HD, pre amazed and i shall envy you

jug6ernaut said:
you seem to have the Touch HD, so you are actually luckier than every1 else my friend.
http://pocketnow.com/index.php?a=portal_detail&t=news&id=6277
Panels on HD, pre amazed and i shall envy you
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this is a very closed alpha/proof of concept and no one on the HD is benefiting yet , trust me.
Also I dont wish to use the overrated Xperia panel system on my phone, I just want an official facebook app that I and ALL OTHER Windows Mobile users no matter what device they have, can use.
Now the way I see it, the facebook panel on xperia is pretty much a windows mobile app, and as such should be able to run on any other windows mobile device (with at least VGA screen I suppose.. hence my reward, I cant do it myself, but im sure someone here can, there would be so many grateful WM users too

Snap2face
Hello.
I haven't Snap2face tried myself too much (just downloaded last night!) , and so far it seems to work fine. It's freeware. I'll keep on trying it, and I'd also like to hear from other users opinion.

if u have opera mobile go to iphone.facebook.com

orlandojumpoff said:
if u have opera mobile go to iphone.facebook.com
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After I log in on Opera mobile it takes me to the normal 'm.facebook' page?
Just tried Snap2Face or Skybook as its now called...seems pretty good for a standalone app. Probably not as polished as the other version though.

I'm sorry, but I do not consider 'snap2face' or 'skybook' a viable solution. Its slow, its buggy, it has a terrible,terrible layout (icons are often tiny on anything above a QVGA screen) and it makes a mess of its cache.

Can I ask the developers in here.. is there a REASON why the xperia facebook panel cannot be simply extracted and converted into a stand alone app?

What do you think about this:
Facebook on your mobile!
Introducing FriendMobilizer, a free application for Windows Smartphones and Pocket PC's that puts Facebook into the palm of your hand.
* Get notifications sent directly to your home screen
* Set your status
* Approve friend requests
* View Group/Event invites
* Check your wall and inbox
* Send your friends messages, pokes, and wall posts
http://faceofmobile.com/

pilgrim011 said:
What do you think about this:
Facebook on your mobile!
Introducing FriendMobilizer, a free application for Windows Smartphones and Pocket PC's that puts Facebook into the palm of your hand.
* Get notifications sent directly to your home screen
* Set your status
* Approve friend requests
* View Group/Event invites
* Check your wall and inbox
* Send your friends messages, pokes, and wall posts
http://faceofmobile.com/
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looks awful
not touch friendly
cant display photo albums
cant upload photos

Hahahaa. Facebook.

As in your previous thread (started a few months back), everyone is trying to tell you that Windows Mobile devices have more advanced features (of course, no Facebook). So if the only thing you are concerned of is Facebook, well... you could always get an iPhone.
Oh, by the way, then you'll be complaining about unable to send MMS, forward SMS, copy text in SMS, and ect... oh well... you're going to bombard me next.
PS: If I'm a developer, the moment I read your first post in this thread, I'll just ignore you. Maybe you should rephrase your sentences so that people (including developers) feel the need of Facebook application. This way, maybe someone out there would offer his/her help.

programatix said:
As in your previous thread (started a few months back), everyone is trying to tell you that Windows Mobile devices have more advanced features (of course, no Facebook). So if the only thing you are concerned of is Facebook, well... you could always get an iPhone.
Oh, by the way, then you'll be complaining about unable to send MMS, forward SMS, copy text in SMS, and ect... oh well... you're going to bombard me next.
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No you miss my point. The difference is that we DO have a WM version now.. the xperia facebook panel. No iphone required. I am urging devs on here to merely find a way to convert that panel into a standalone app for all WM users to enjoy.

[App] UC Browser, another amazing Browser replacement from China

Lately, it seems like there has been an influx of Android goodies from China. Some of this stuff is pretty amazing, like the MIUI ROM. A couple of weeks ago, I discovered the "MIUI" -aka Charming, aka Miren- Browser and was stoked to get that thing in a translated form. It is speedy and has a pretty cool interface. You can find a number of posts on XDA (here, here, and here among them).
Everyone I have talked to who has used the Miren browser has been jazzed about how much better it is than the traditional options (stock, Dolphin, Fennec/FF, Opera, SkyFire, Xscope, etc.) and I too have been impressed.
Yesterday, I discovered yet another browser, this one also from China and I have to say, so far it has blown me away! I have been preaching on the Miren browser for a week, but This new UC browser is simply the best mobile browser I have used. I have only had it for about twelve hours, so I don't know what the full capabilities are or if there are any major bugs, but so far, I am incredibly impressed.
It can be a little tricky to locate and I am hesitant to post the apk here as it appears to work with hundreds of handsets in different formats. i will post the link where I found it and you can do your own research on which version to grab. This is the English language site (on a side note, these guys are PROS! Just check out the flawless translations in the various languages and you can see that they take immense pride in their product and work. You'd be hard pressed to find other Android devs who have the time or skill to provide such clean sites in multiple languages. Provides me as an end user with a lot of confidence in the final product.)
UC Browser
Pretty amazing specs includes all the typical options, some less prevelant ones and a few atypical inclusions such as built in File Manager, Night Mode lighting and super fast URL autocomplete. The only shortcoming so far is I can't find anyway to get pinch to zoom on this thing, but I am submitting a query to the devs on that.
Edit: Thanks to jpyounis1 for figuring out the pinch-to-zoom settings!
To enable pinch to zoom change user agent to "web ua" then browse mode to "zoom mode" and ur done. Now you have full pages with intelligent fit.
Edit2: Unfortunately, so far as I can tell, no flash support in 7.2. For now I will have to stick with Miren and Skyfire as my main browsers and keep UC as an alternate until 7.4 is available in English.
And it's pretty too...
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thanks for the find

looks damn sweet, thanks for the share, gonna try it out!

interesting... ill try it out.
thanks for the post

the "built-in" facebook scared me, security issues and all that :O
other than that this looks really sleek and nice, gonna try it out for a few days.

I was pretty psyched by the prospect of this browser, but if they don't have the ability to integrate pinch-to-zoom it might be a bust. That would be a shame because in all other respects this browser is superior to most others.
I guess I will wait and see what response i get from the devs.

Yea I really like this browser. Looks great and its ui is superior. I think its better than miren browser and is my new default. I think between this and firefox take the cake.
To enable pinch to zoom change user agent to web ua then browse mode to zoom mode and ur done. Now you have full pages with intelligent fit. Love it
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jpyounis1 said:
Yea I really like this browser. Looks great and its ui is superior. I think its better than miren browser and is my new default. I think between this and firefox take the cake.
To enable pinch to zoom change user agent to web ua then browse mode to zoom mode and ur done. Now you have full pages with intelligent fit. Love it
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Awesome, thanks for discovering that. I thought I had tried that combo, but it must have been the "zoom Mode(Compressed)" that I tried. Now this is my favorite browser

thanks for sharing, looks great!

Anybody knows what that compression means:
Advanced compression technology can reduce data costs by up to 85%, making mobile surfing cheaper.
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Does it mean that traffic goes through third party servers?

Yea I would imagine its similiar to what opera does.
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Yea I would imagine its similiar to what opera does.
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Opera is located in Norway. It has a privacy policy matching european standards. Still I wouldn't feel completely comfortable to have all my browser traffic redirected through them, but that's a matter of personal taste as long as current standards are met.

I used UC as my main browser as a Nokia user...love it. They must have recently added the new platforms because I don't recall a WM version.

Indeed, it's Android!

Sharing content??
How do you system share content with other apps in Android?! IE: get it on the system share list?
Or.. how do you email content out.
I have to in part manage my information that way.
Thanks
Tim

wow nice find love the ui!
is there any way to get flash working on this browser?

It is definitely well polished, but there are 3 things that stop me making this my default
1. No quick access to address bar, in fullscreen mode
2. Share options of webpage are extremely limited
3. No true speed dial or easily configurable bookmark list for start page.

rockky said:
How do you system share content with other apps in Android?! IE: get it on the system share list?
Or.. how do you email content out.
I have to in part manage my information that way.
Thanks
Tim
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Yes I was also hoping for the same, but couldn't find it

Am I using a different version than you guys? I got Pinch to zoom working...
EDIT oops, looks like you guys already figure out how to pinch to zoom.
Anyway, this browser is amazing. The new 7.4 chinese version home ui looks like Miren browser.

Trouble with this configuration is that it becomes the same speed as every other browsers on Android... cept Opera Mini of course.
QUOTE=jpyounis1;9284509]Yea I really like this browser. Looks great and its ui is superior. I think its better than miren browser and is my new default. I think between this and firefox take the cake.
To enable pinch to zoom change user agent to web ua then browse mode to zoom mode and ur done. Now you have full pages with intelligent fit. Love it
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Adobe STOPS further development for Mobile browsers! Only HTML 5 from now on...

I don't like it.
Damn...
Source:
blog.gsmarena.com/adobe-stops-development-on-flash-player-for-mobile-browsers-focuses-on-html5/
What bad is it gonna effect our GSII?

ithehappy said:
What bad is it gonna effect our GSII?
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Bad? Nothing. We still have flash, it's not going away. This is a good thing, flash sucks and it's good that it's being replaced by html5.
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That's a good thing - all we need is HTML5 .

This is BS. Don't get me wrong, I hate flash, and I know HTML5 is much better. Now try and convince the content providers. They'll be hanging onto their DRM-capable flash if only to restrict content to desktops without paying extra to view on mobile (unless of course you're using my flash hack to make your phone think its a desktop
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Seriously Adobe, Google has just finally turned honeycomb into a "finished product" with ICS and now just as things are getting going you're going to pull the plug? For better or worse, flash is easily one of the best features of android. Someone over at Adobe needs to quit huffing gasoline...

Adobe is stopping mobile developement only. Desktop browser will still have flash videos.
The whole point of having flash on mobile is to be as close as possible to a desktop experience. If this is true, you will not be able to watch videos on sites that did not convert to html5
I think this is really a bad news for sgs2 users. With ics coming in 2012, we may not have flash support anymore

In the grand scheme of things, this will have a negligible effect for the end-user and really just shifts the onus on the browser providers to ensure they keep up to HTML5 etc standard.
I'm sure Adobe et al. will be migrating/developing content to help push HTML5 forward as it is moving at a snails pace. This is a good thing for all.

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Bout damn time flash was abandoned as the Gold standard. Even on a PC its a resource hungry POS.

Hi, I have foun this comment on Engadgets article, might be helpfull:
OverDriven 15 minutes ago
To all the little nooblets on Engadget (which appears to be 99% of you, judging from the comments), this simply means that they will no longer focus on displaying Flash IN THE BROWSER. AIR stands for Adobe Integrated Runtime, and it is a Flash runtime environment. In other words, it's purpose is to run Flash applications on the desktop (or as an app). Adobe simply is moving from primarily in-browser to primarily out-of-browser, which is a step up for them. Running Flash apps in a browser on a smart phone never made any sense at all in the first place. It's main use in browser is for video, and HTML5 can take care of that. "Laying down their sword", as Engadget refers to it, is not at all what they're doing. They're making a strategic move to increase their presence on mobile devices via AIR.
Also (and I get tired of saying this), if you are "anti-flash" then you're undoubtedly uneducated on the ins and outs of HTML5 and Flash. They are different tools for different jobs. Do us all a favor and educate yourself before you decide to log on to the next tech blog and act like you know what you're talking about.

FutureClimax said:
Hi, I have foun this comment on Engadgets article, might be helpfull:
OverDriven 15 minutes ago
To all the little nooblets on Engadget (which appears to be 99% of you, judging from the comments), this simply means that they will no longer focus on displaying Flash IN THE BROWSER. AIR stands for Adobe Integrated Runtime, and it is a Flash runtime environment. In other words, it's purpose is to run Flash applications on the desktop (or as an app). Adobe simply is moving from primarily in-browser to primarily out-of-browser, which is a step up for them. Running Flash apps in a browser on a smart phone never made any sense at all in the first place. It's main use in browser is for video, and HTML5 can take care of that. "Laying down their sword", as Engadget refers to it, is not at all what they're doing. They're making a strategic move to increase their presence on mobile devices via AIR.
Also (and I get tired of saying this), if you are "anti-flash" then you're undoubtedly uneducated on the ins and outs of HTML5 and Flash. They are different tools for different jobs. Do us all a favor and educate yourself before you decide to log on to the next tech blog and act like you know what you're talking about.
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While I agree with your take on what Adobe is doing. It doesn't take a tech educated person to see CPU/Memory load while using flash on either Desktop or Mobile, is far more inflated than while using HTML5

The full post is from him.
Comment about "non educated" belongs to him as well.
Just to clear ;-)
I agree that flash is resource hungry but it looks like its gonna changed little bit. I personally don't use flash on mobile at all.

I'm kinda happy in some ways.
First I've gotten sick of updating flash plug in as well as activex on the desktops.
I wasn't going to play drm videos on phones/tablets and those will have its own apps anyway.
And finally it brings clarity to me on what I'll get for a tablet.

As people start to head towards using there phones and or tablets for browsing content on the web more than ever I don't think losing flash will be an issue for us, for the simple reason that Apple are still the big guns in the mobile and tablet sectors. And as they will never support flash and are fully behind HTML 5 I'm sure the content providers will follow suit.

compuw22c said:
This is BS. Don't get me wrong, I hate flash, and I know HTML5 is much better. Now try and convince the content providers. They'll be hanging onto their DRM-capable flash if only to restrict content to desktops without paying extra to view on mobile (unless of course you're using my flash hack to make your phone think its a desktop
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Seriously Adobe, Google has just finally turned honeycomb into a "finished product" with ICS and now just as things are getting going you're going to pull the plug? For better or worse, flash is easily one of the best features of android. Someone over at Adobe needs to quit huffing gasoline...
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QFT! no one seems to understand that very little of the internet uses HTML5. flash is still standard, and it will take forever to get everyone off it. in the meantime, adobe had made sure that no "mobile" device can have full "desktop" capabilities for a long time.
flash has exponentially more usage than HTML5. fact. taking away flash means a large portion of the internet is inaccessible. this takes away from the overall capabilities of android, and ANY other flash capable OS.
i know many people who wouldn't even buy an android device until flash was released, because it was integral to make most websites work. this is still true. how do you people not see that?

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