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Pointui ?? A new wm interface ?

Hey guys, dont know if anyone has come across this yet but for those who havent it looks like there may be a new interface for your wm device. Its called Pointui but as yet theres not a lot of info just a youtube vid and some screen shots on flicker, the web site just shows a countdown to what apperes to be the new year but by the look of the screens it might be something to keep your eye on
Youtube link : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pUBWYErW3s
Flicker link :http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/
Web site :http://there-is-no-place-like-home.com/

I must say after having look at it, I'd be very intrested to try this out when its released. It looks very slick

WOW I'm surprised that there has been less buzz about this. I'm intrigued!

Yes, seems to be inspired by the iPhone but no proof to say its a Windows Mobile device?
Regards,
Carty..

If you click on the youtube uploaders username and look at the other vid you can see that its running on a Wizard
Wizard specs..
Processor: OMAP850 - 195Mhz
Memory: 128 MB of ROM and 64 MB of RAM
Should run fine on my Orbit !!

Interesting
Looks promising. I wonder if it is flash driven or C+ coded. A little strange how the video shows him sliding his finger to the right and the screen animation goes left?? That would drive me nuts!

Carty said:
Yes, seems to be inspired by the iPhone but no proof to say its a Windows Mobile device?
Regards,
Carty..
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...Also, you'll note very shortly into the demo the "Windows Mobile Settings" menu option...

I watched the video a couple of times and it seems to move very smoothly and quickly. I really like the way it works...........HAVE A HAPPY NEW YEAR.

Thanks for the positive feedback. I'd say its more inspired by frustration of what I call Windows 3.11 Syndrome and poor excuses for performance because they have limited memory and slower cpus.
Never used an iPhone, sure looks nice. Not sure about user interaction consistency across all their apps which is something we hope to achieve with our framework.
Rest assured this is running on Windows Mobile. Unlike so many others we haven't forgotten those with Windows Mobile 2003.

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...Also, you'll note very shortly into the demo the "Windows Mobile Settings" menu option...
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Plus you can see "Windows Mobile" as the second option:
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And Active Sync as option two on this one:
Anyone else have any info on this project?

dorothyg07 said:
Thanks for the positive feedback. I'd say its more inspired by frustration of what I call Windows 3.11 Syndrome and poor excuses for performance because they have limited memory and slower cpus.
Never used an iPhone, sure looks nice. Not sure about user interaction consistency across all their apps which is something we hope to achieve with our framework.
Rest assured this is running on Windows Mobile. Unlike so many others we haven't forgotten those with Windows Mobile 2003.
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Wow--amazing ui. I share your frustration with the Win 3.11 syndrome but I hate that other people keep using the iPhone comparison. The iPhone is like a new puppy--everyone loves it because it's cute and could do simple things (email, web, music, movies, pictures, oh calls too). After awhile, then what? Everyone here can name 100 things their PDA/Phone can do more than the iPhone--except on tiny little thing....and that's doing it with style! Swipe here, roll there, flip here, touch there, whatever which way.
Pointui will complete my PDA and will probably get more people to buy a Win Mobile device now that it's balanced with usability and functionality. Thanks, can't wait for Jan 1.

Dorothy, can you give us any idea as to when you'll be offering this up to the public, and are you planning this as a freeware app or will you be charging for use?

simplicity05, the answers to your questions can be found at there-is-no-place-like-home.com

I checked that just a few hours ago and all it had was a timer counting down to the new year haha!

Oh My God. This looks so freaking sweet!

Im sure you guys have clicked it but heres the link to the pointui main site http://www.pointui.com/
Says it will be available for download as soon as the clock from no place like home reaches 0. Wooo.
If it runs that fast on a 195mhz device, thats great news. All these iPhone clones run slow on my 247mhz orbit (overclocked) ... so, looking forward to this one.

Im back again
Just watched this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRw1T-N5dic
Seems it uses the standard WM phone pad, which sucks, hope they do there own phone pad/full phone system thing. Also, wonder how the text messages/email is handles, hopefully not the standard WM outlook??? Any guys in the know about this?

The scrolling/changing screens by sliding your finger seems counter-intuitive. I like how on my touch I grab and pull to the side of the cube I want, this Pointui looks like it is grab and push towards the place you want to go, very awkward...
Other than that, it looks very interesting!

Actually I think that scrolling the finger to go to the next screen is really sleek and intuitive.
And the speed is amazing! Really smooth, even on a Wizard! OMFG! These guys know how to program
From the screenshots and video I only miss some antialiasing on some text (top text saying "telstra", and some text on the initial screen), and it would be great to integrate further apps into Home, like the phone and messages (read, write, send).

I think this will be, again, one of those applications that disappoint the moment I press one of the "system menu" buttons and end up in the WM6 menu without any transition.
Becaus then, it just doesn't make any sense... Man, being all happy that you can go through the menu with your finger just to find out that if you REALLY want to make system changes you have to use the old stylus again sucks.
I think all the iPhone cloning is a massive backleash...

iContact-like Shortuct Launcher ?

Anybody know of an app like iContact/PocketCM but to launch program shortcuts instead of contact dialer ?
I would like to have a thumb scrollable list of all the programs etc that I use.
If not, are there any brave souls willing to take the iContact source code and some how make it run exe shortcuts rather than contact dialling ?

I found l3v5y's Scroll Launcher, its great and very similar to my request.. but its still a little lacking.. any other suggestions ?

go into the registry and edit it:
HKLM\software\microsoft\shell\rai
and go to :mscontacts and edit the string in "1" to equal the path for the program you wanted to launch

madjokeer said:
go into the registry and edit it:
HKLM\software\microsoft\shell\rai
and go to :mscontacts and edit the string in "1" to equal the path for the program you wanted to launch
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Not sure if you read my post, thanks for the random tip though
What I am looking for is an actual program that looks/feels like iContact, but launches shortcuts instead of dialling.

im interested too in such applikation, pm me pls, if you find some

I recommend mortbuttons. It's not exactly like icontact but it's very finger friendly. Besides, the blackaqua theme matches the glossy black bar very well.

why not use th Q n A section of the fourm???? funny thing is that i did a search n found many
PLEASE UES THE QnA UNLESS U HAVE SOMETHING TO OFFER
most people come here to see whats new or get updates for programs being developed ...it is very anoying to see new post with nothing to offer

that's what people do in here. is can't be clearer than this, that the first thread in this forum is for questions and answers... since it says : QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS HERE! or something like that...
but people ignore this, ask questions here, and since others reply instead of directing them to the correct thread, they STILL ask questions in new pointless threads. human nature.

I posted there, with no response. I dunno, it seems to me in order to get any eyeballs on a question you have to start a new thread (sorry, I know this is against 'the rules') Besides, this is technically a dev/hacking question, and I'm contributing by generating interest in such an app. Since I've posted, l3v5y has come out of the woodwork to say he's beginning a rewrite of his launcher - plus I've contacted Tene and SupBro to ask about the possibility of forking their projects into a launcher rather than dialler.
@ dan0zone & nir36 : Thanks for the helpful advice.

Way to much of this going on... Hopefully this thread is just moved before it too becomes a mess.
I agree that such a launcher has potential. It would be kind of cool if it had support for groups/folders as well.
Personally, I'd like to see something that uses shortcuts and sub folders inside of a base folder as opposed to a built in browse for the app style of assigning things. It makes setting up extremely easy if you're using your desktop. I uderstand that they both have their ins and outs though.
It would be kind of cool if it could be developed in such a way as to employ the skins from whatever version of iContact you're running or it's own...
Also, how about a contextual menu option to jump to the apps root folder in either file explorer or TC? It would make editing the preference files in those apps which still require manual editing of .ini or .xml files MUCH easier.

Schap's already has something in the works, and PointUI also has this function as well. PointUI is the entire UI, not just the app launcher, and I haven't used it lately, but the scrolling was inverted last I used.

this is what u want , but its not freeware
http://iwindowsmobile.com/mobile-launcher.html

kinmont said:
this is what u want , but its not freeware
http://iwindowsmobile.com/mobile-launcher.html
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Nice link. I tried that one but it seems to be too battery draining for all day use, also not very customisable. I'm crossing my fingers that someone can just change iContact to make it launch apps instead. I'm learning C++ and gonna buy Visual Studio just for this project if no one else can ..

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Well it doesn't scroll the way Schaps new menu will.
Put it does have page flicks from left toe right and RtL and UtD etc.
MortBottuns yes.
If people would have given this some more support and skins a few years ago it would maybe even have had scrolling support.
Best of all is it's highly configurable and aoollws for you to make submenu's.
Who knows what a few donations to Mort would do.
Cheerz,
The MortButtons Evangalist

Well, after a few days of hunting.. I've come to the conclusion that patiently sitting back and waiting for Schaps's incredible-looking TouchXperience launcher is the best option.
I've donated a bit, and encourage everyone else interested to do the same

Iphone-like calendar..EDIT: commercial WM appdesigns still quiet ugly in every case??

Hey folks!
I just wanted to ask if there´s any possibilty to get an Iphone-like calendar on my HD2. No, I dont´s want to start an anti-iphone war here, I do really just like the design of the calendar here^^ (seems not to force eye-cancer like many other calendar themes on WM ). I´m using Pocket Informant on my HD2 and it´s quite customizable, but I can´t get near this design:
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Any Ideas/possibilities?

Yeah, its called Inesoft Calendar http://www.inesoft.com/eng/index.php?in=calendar.html
I used it on my Omnia a while back and its great.

Reason for changing the Threadtitle:
grmpf...it is getting harder and harder for me. most of the WinMobile applications are really looking bad, one worst than the other...how can people through such unfinished apps on the market please?
take a closer look on the Homepage of Inesoft..the "menu" and the "calendars" buttons are using uncommon fontsizes, on the one hand the fonts at the bottom/edge seem to be untouched, on the other hand the fonts in the middle seem to have cleartype activated
The colors (for me) are not well chosen...and there is NO possibility to customize that???
Same with thumbcal...NO possibility to change the fontsize...
Is the difference that big between developing an Iphone app and developing the same for WinMobile? Of course, I know the "unique hardware" thing with the Iphone...BUT: why do free developers out there bring up very nice and goog looking applications/themes, while the commercial developers sometimes don´t give a penny on perfection?
I do not understand this issue..

Apple has standard controls that are used while developing apps. In wm, the standard ones are bad. So companies develop their own or use others... so there's no consistency between apps and other issues you mention. Maybe you should get the iphone in stead of the HD2.

lorin.bute said:
Maybe you should get the iphone in stead of the HD2.
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Why everytime argue in that way? ---> don´t get my wrong, as I said above, I don´t want to start an Iphone vs. WM war here...but I think nobody can´t deny the fact, that many of the WM applications are still looking old fashioned or unfinished...aren´t they?? And my question is: why is this? especially here. inesoft wants to compete with other calendar-suppliers. take a closer look on the link I´ve posted above...i´ve installed the demoversion, it looks horrible to me!! $13,95?
As I said: free devs are programming nice tools/themes and so on...commercials often don´t.

brooon said:
Why everytime argue in that way? ---> go and buy an iphone...don´t get my wrong, as I said above, I don´t want to start an Iphone vs. WM war here...but I think nobody can´t deny the fact, that many of the WM applications are still looking old fashioned or unfinished...aren´t they?? And my question is: why is this?
As I said: free devs are programming nice tools/themes and so on...commercials often don´t.
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you seem to be starting that discussion yourself lol. I think the comment to get an iphone was kind and reasonable. If what you are looking for is apps that all look the same with the same buttons and fonts then an iphone is a good product for you. However, if you require functionality that only winmobile provides that is a different story. A better way to have responded, instead of pointing out that nobody can deny certain "facts" was begging for people to point out the fact that those aren't "facts" I am smiling while i write so i am in a fun loving mood, take my comments as you will but realize that you are talking to die hard winmobile folks who generally do not like Apple for many reasons beyond the iphone. cheers

Try SBSH calendar touch I think that one is customizable, It's not iphone like but you may like it.

I do realize that win mo apps aren't as nice looking as the ones on the iphone, and i wish they were, but i'm also able to get past this and realize that the functionality i get out of those apps or win mo is far greater.
And yes, i was kind with the "get the iphone" comment. No harm intended.
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Let me explain once more.
A control is a button, a text box, a search field, a drop down list, a check box, a list and so on. Apple has made those controls in a very nice fashion and they are available to every developer. Microsoft's win mo controls look really bad so that's why many win mo developers make their own. Many try but fail. That's why apps look bad. We need to get beautiful standardized controls for win mo and we will see a change. I guess that's coming with WM7. Anyway, one software company that impressed me with their apps is SPB. I can also add Iconsoft in that category, with their Phonex.

Hey again!
Thank you both for your comments! I have to add that my written english is not that good, so if my postings above sounded upset i´m deeply sorry for that, this should just be based on my lack of "feeling the language"!! I´m in more than a funny mood too and I smiled while writing the comments, because I was afraid having become an unintended "victim" of these unfactual WinMo/Iphone discussion (there are more than enough on this world, the worries are eligible, aren´t they? )
@lorin.bute: Thank you for your explanation! I knew that point, and you are right, many win mo developers make their own controls here (what even could be an enrichment I think! ). That´s perhaps one of the main points I initially wanted to ask for...I don´t know what you have programmed/designed yourself, but i´m sure that you all know the intention, to make something "perfect". When these guys from Inesoft are designing some buttons (e.g. menu and calenders)...why the hell aren´t these buttons designed in the same way/with the same fonts? To use a consistent style within one program makes it more valuable, or am I wrong?
Yes, full agree, SPB are one of my most cherished developers for WinMo, ageye is doing a good job too.

[REQ]Read It Later App for WM

I use the Read It Later extension for Firefox heavily, and have always missed an WM App that would allow me to read the pages I've marked on my phone.
Well, since I've bought the HD2 I've missed this even more...
Now, it seems that the folks that makes RIL released an API so that anyone can make its own app...
There's an official one for the iPhone, a user made for Android... and none for WM.
I've tried to make one myself, but its way beyond my "search and learn with Google" programing skills.
This way, I want ask if someone is interested or is capable of doind a Read It Later App for WM, HD2 customized, using their API.
The site is here: http://readitlaterlist.com/
It would be really nice to have a "Instapaper" like app for WM...
Thanks in advance!

Request seconded.

without looking at exactly what this is. do you mean an offline browser? if so then opera has the function built in.. saved pages

fards said:
without looking at exactly what this is. do you mean an offline browser? if so then opera has the function built in.. saved pages
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It's not only saved pages...
It's like Instapaper for the iPhone.
You mark a page to read later in RIL Firefox, for example, and then can access the link throught the app in the phone to read it.
The good thing about RIL is that you can mark a page in your desktop and it sincronizes with web, so, as soon as you open RIL in the phone the page is already there.
The advantage here is that you can mark pages to read in multiple PCs (I use in Vista/7 installarion in my notebook as well as XP/7 in my desktop) and still have a unified list.

+1 It looks like a swell piece of software which Id like on winmo

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+1 It looks like a swell piece of software which Id like on winmo
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It is very nice.
ATM i'm using the web version, with the shortcut readitlaterlist.com/unread . When you create an account, this shortcut will lead you directly to the reading list.
Putting Opera zoom in 100%, it fits right in the screen.
But it lacks a lot of features. It is actually just a list of links. You have to manually check read itens, press and hold the link if you want to open in another tab.
What I miss the most is some options to store the pages for future references. Now I have to manually do this... It would be nice if the app allow us to send the pages to another apps...

I hate to bump my own threads, but no one can help me?
Can someone at least tell me what programming language would be easyer to make such an app?

zefiltrin said:
I hate to bump my own threads, but no one can help me?
Can someone at least tell me what programming language would be easyer to make such an app?
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Could someone at least tell me what would be the easyest way to make a app like this?
I really miss an app for RIL, since internet version is not that good.

Id also like to have this app on WM or somethin similar. Cant help you build it, though.

TheGoD said:
Id also like to have this app on WM or somethin similar. Cant help you build it, though.
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Thanks anyway... I'm kind of resign that this won't be done.
Using the web version. Not perfect, but does the job.

I have not used this application/service before, but it looks interesting.
I have checked the API and it looks very simple to use.
The only thing that remains before starting to code is to have a rough design of the application GUI, just to set a rough scope on the functionalities.
Then I believe it is possible to create an "ugly" but functional application in a few days. I can work on this project if I can manage to allocate some spare time on this.
zefiltrin, I think you know the usage scenarios of this application way better than me, as I have not yet used it. Why not make a few sketches for describing the GUI of the application you want to see on your PPC. I mean the buttons, lists, etc. Then I would try to realize them (again, if I can manage to allocate some spare time on this)

vizier said:
I have not used this application/service before, but it looks interesting.
I have checked the API and it looks very simple to use.
The only thing that remains before starting to code is to have a rough design of the application GUI, just to set a rough scope on the functionalities.
Then I believe it is possible to create an "ugly" but functional application in a few days. I can work on this project if I can manage to allocate some spare time on this.
zefiltrin, I think you know the usage scenarios of this application way better than me, as I have not yet used it. Why not make a few sketches for describing the GUI of the application you want to see on your PPC. I mean the buttons, lists, etc. Then I would try to realize them (again, if I can manage to allocate some spare time on this)
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I´ll do that! I'm travelling until april 4th, but will try to do that as soon as I come back.
I think I´ll use some of the screeshots of the existing apps for iPhone and Android.
Thank you for your help!

Well, here are some ideas:
I think the home screen should look like iPhone's Read It Later app:
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The list of things to read could be similar to GReader site, with big letters, two or more lines to allow seing the whole title:
In the "Greader-like" list abobe, there shoud be a search bar and the buttons to direclty mark as read or show the text only view, like this:
Finally, it would be great to have the sharing options like iPhone app (don´t know if the API allow that):
Let me know if this helps...

Ok I will spend some time on this tomorrow.

I started working on this project, I call it "Late Reader" for now. Any better name suggestions are welcome. I think I can post a first beta or alpha in a week.

vizier said:
I started working on this project, I call it "Late Reader" for now. Any better name suggestions are welcome. I think I can post a first beta or alpha in a week.
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Thank you very much!
I'll be glad to test it when you release it.

ooh, this would be a fantastic application

I'll be following this with this new account.
Anyway, very anxious to see the result!

hugocbp said:
I'll be following this with this new account.
Anyway, very anxious to see the result!
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OK I should call you hugocbp as of now I guess
I was on a business trip during the week, so I could not work on this project. I plan to have some progress this weekend, and hopefully post you some alpha to test. We'll see.

vizier said:
OK I should call you hugocbp as of now I guess
I was on a business trip during the week, so I could not work on this project. I plan to have some progress this weekend, and hopefully post you some alpha to test. We'll see.
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No problem! I posted only to subscribe to the thread and let you know I'm the same who created it.
Take you time, I'll be here whenever you're done!

[REQUEST] A better landscape typing experience

Okay folks. I am wondering what you guys think about this. I hate to compare to the iPhone....again but there something that I am missing a little bit but not enough to make me jump ship...OBVIOUSLY! Anyway take a look at what I did with Paint.
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now the point of this is to make the conversation more....fluid. when im in the stock mode, picture 2, i just feel so disconnected from the conversation. i use google talk, i dubbed it GGM (Google Gmail Talk) just so it sounds as cool as BBM, and when im typing in landscape I cant even see what the other person wrote unless i exit the keyboard. again, this just takes me out of the whole experience. now some might say that the screen is too cramped with this option, others, like myself, say its not that bad and its probably worth it. and perhaps to satisfy both parties, maybe we can implement a double tap feature which will go back to stock mode. honestly, i have no clue if this is even possible but your inputs would be nice.
check out this thread: this guy actually did it but its kinda rough.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=672435

I like where you are going with this idea maybe you should pm the dev of the HTC IME mod

I type in portrait 99.999% of the time for this reason. I hate getting an IM/text from someone and not being able to see it without exiting the app.
I like what you did by not taking away from the kb size any, but from the HUGE area they give the text space. The text doesn't need that much room IMO. I hope this can be addressed and something better can from it.

I have to say, I dont like it....had it on my last device and it feels to tight, to small, I prefer to rotate my the device and enjoy the big field to type.

The only time I could really see myself needing to use the stock setup would when writing long responses in a forum. for example, before XDA had an app I would respond to threads using the standard view from the browser in landscape. this nicely moved all the other unnecessary stuff and made quoting someone very clean and easy.
Ayman

I think landscape typing is horrendous on android..I'd love to see it fixed. I'm a landscape lover but usually I stick to portrait for the KB.

I like where you are going with this idea maybe you should pm the dev of the HTC IME mod
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I wonder if this is really something within the actually keyboard. I thought it was a framework issue, granted tho, I don't know much about that subject. is there anyone out there willing to make this happen?

The easiest solution to this problem is to use Swype, which works better in portrait view, and still type fast.

The easiest solution to this problem is to use Swype, which works better in portrait view, and still type fast.
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how the heck is that a solution? did you even read the post?

I can't believe google decided that the keyboard and input box should take up the whole screen... sure hope somebody finds a way to do this! or at least make the text box slightly transparent or something

PLEASE I'M BEGGING YOU TO MAKE THIS
i hate how the text box takes up the whole top of the screen i would like to see the last msg that was sent
i hate iphones 2 but they have some good ideas
please

I don't like the way the landscape keyboard takes up the whole screen and covers all the previous msgs/ content. I would love to see this solution implemented or a previous suggestion where the text input area was transparent.

maybe this will he seen by more devs if it was in the development section. is it in the right section?
I have emailed jonasl, hopefully he will email me back.

any development on this yet

ya I doubt this will get developed unless we start spreading the word more. if we can get a dev to see this than maybe we can get somewhere. start tweeting it and it might catch someone's eye.
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+100
would love to see this happen!

ayman07 said:
ya I doubt this will get developed unless we start spreading the word more. if we can get a dev to see this than maybe we can get somewhere. start tweeting it and it might catch someone's eye.
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Perhaps send Jonasi a PM. he is the keyboard master

ya i did email him but he didnt respond. ill try a PM next.
PM sent. lets hope for a reply.
alright folk, i just had a lil chat with Chris Soyars (the dev who worked with cyanogen on stuff like the cool App2SD feature and who created NexusMod Live) and he says this is wayyyy to complicated. My predictions were correct, this is not something that is found within the HTC_IME or any other keyboard, its something within the framework. He admitted to me that he wouldnt even know where to start! Guess I got a lil over zealous with my request. He is really busy so he cant work on this but he said its all about finding the dev who is willing to put the time in.
with that said, i still think it can be done!! lol we just need the right person.

Hi,
I think you should read android-developers.blogspot.c0m/2009/04/updating-applications-for-on-screen Much of the problem lies not in the keyboard, but in how the applications interact with the keyboard.
Google's algorithm makes sense, but many applications don't specify their input mode, so the keyboards do the best they can.
Different combinations of Keyboards/Applications will yield different results. If you don't like what you have, tell the developer, or change keyboard and/or application.
Cheers!
-I_Artist

I_Artist said:
Hi,
I think you should read android-developers.blogspot.c0m/2009/04/updating-applications-for-on-screen Much of the problem lies not in the keyboard, but in how the applications interact with the keyboard.
Google's algorithm makes sense, but many applications don't specify their input mode, so the keyboards do the best they can.
Different combinations of Keyboards/Applications will yield different results. If you don't like what you have, tell the developer, or change keyboard and/or application.
Cheers!
-I_Artist
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This is a HUGE help! I think I understand this better. Its not necessarily a framework issue, its the keyboard itself and all the keyboards are roughly identical. So what happens, if i read this correctly, is the keyboard has a predefined algorithm that tells it there isnt enough space on screen to have both the keyboard and app showing. that is why it reverts to covering up the whole screen.
This is used when the IME is too large to reasonably share space with the underlying application. With the standard IMEs, you will only encounter this situation when the screen is in a landscape orientation, although other IMEs are free to use it whenever they desire. In this case the application window is left as-is, and the IME simply displays fullscreen on top of it, as shown here:
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So if we look at the IME and readjust what it considers to be too cramped of a space to display the full keyboard and part of the app on the same screen then it should work! what u guys think?
did some more digging. this is from HTC_CIME but it should be roughly the same idea:
keyboardBackground="@7F020074"
keyboardPadding="0,2,0,4"
functionKeyBackground="@7F020032"
commonKeyBackground="@7F020031"
pageKeyBackground="@7F02008A"
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could these be the settings responsible for letting the app appear in the background with the landscape keyboard over it? i dont know what they "@7F02..." mean, what do these values represent?