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Hi
I wanted to know what is the most stable CPU on a Pocet PC right now and why, what makes a processor better than the next ? are Intel processors better than samsung, TI, Freescale ??
what are the categories of all these processors ?
and on a pricing level which processors are value for money ?
which are expensive for something and which are expensive for nothing ?
this has been working on my mind for some time to analyse all the processors and identify the truth behind Pocket PC CPU's
can anyone please help to answer these questions.
regards
reo

The differences are very small, unlike with, say, 486 or Pentium clones 10-12 years ago. That is, there aren't known problems with Samsung / TI CPU's and there aren't "clearly the best" CPU's.

hi
what do you think about Freescale CPU ?
and when it comes to CPU, do you think that mayb certain types are more stable than others ?
Stability = litlle or no freezing up, compatibilty, works well with WM OS, aplications funtioanlity, and just general operation you no that sense that you can rely on the product to function properly.
reo

reo said:
hi
what do you think about Freescale CPU ?
and when it comes to CPU, do you think that mayb certain types are more stable than others ?
Stability = litlle or no freezing up, compatibilty, works well with WM OS, aplications funtioanlity, and just general operation you no that sense that you can rely on the product to function properly.
reo
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Dunno much about the practical stability & compatibility issues of the new Freescale CPU, it's so new to the market (and iDo devices are so few).
In general, I don't think any current (again, I don't speak for Freescale) CPU's have any stability or other issues. Samsung CPU's, in the past (see for example the flash ROM problems of the iPAQ 1930 / 1940) had some problems; hope they're fixed now.

hi
is there any way to benchmark the CPU's ? is there any software that i can use. i would like to conduct a test to make a comparison.
about the freescale, any reviews about this CPU ?
regards
reo

reo said:
hi
is there any way to benchmark the CPU's ? is there any software that i can use. i would like to conduct a test to make a comparison.
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Spb Benchmark, for example. However, benchmark results are pretty useless. For example, the 195 MHz TI CPU's are MUCH better than what one would think based on the benchmark results
about the freescale, any reviews about this CPU ?
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Googled around; haven't found much.

I will keep searching for more details on freescale.
Do you think there is mayb factory benchmark programs then we can mayb get accurate results ?
reo

reo said:
I will keep searching for more details on freescale.
Do you think there is mayb factory benchmark programs then we can mayb get accurate results ?
reo
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In general, I wouldn't depend on benchmark results. For example, the TI CPU-based devices are far faster than one would think based on the benchmark results.

I have read about Processors from Intel called Monahans, i believe it is the latest CPU.
Have you worked with a handheld device running this CPU ?
could you give us some info on the Manahans and Boulverde ?

try this one.... I got it from buzz website....

Generally, TI and Samsung processors usually are more performant than Intel with the same MHz rate (iirc about 20%).
However, processor performance is not everything. E.g. the memory access is very different on WM5 devices. Or graphic performance.
And don't forget many PPC applications are quite spartanic - you don't need lots of CPU power to add a new contact or write a document in that better notepad called "Word mobile". Memory (card) access is more interesting there. But you'll probably notice a difference e.g. in navigation, games, or multimedia.

Overclocking HTC Touch

don't know if this has been asked, but....
I know there is a overclocking util (BatteryStatus) for the older 200Mhz Touch.
But I got the CDMA HTC Touch (MP6900 ??) with the 400Mhz speed cpu, and the "BateryStatus" util does not work on it... actually it craped out the phone many times tonight... had to do many hard resets!! Crap !!
So.... is there a overclocking util for this version (runing windows mobile pro 6) any one know ???
thanks
Dweeb

Can't be done. A search would have told you that.

Dweeboid said:
don't know if this has been asked, but....
I know there is a overclocking util (BatteryStatus) for the older 200Mhz Touch.
But I got the CDMA HTC Touch (MP6900 ??) with the 400Mhz speed cpu, and the "BateryStatus" util does not work on it... actually it craped out the phone many times tonight... had to do many hard resets!! Crap !!
So.... is there a overclocking util for this version (runing windows mobile pro 6) any one know ???
thanks
Dweeb
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Why would you want to overclock it anyway? The battery usage would be increased and you would probably shorten the lifespan of the device....these things aint cheap you know
400 MHz in a pocket device like these is easily fast enough!

dont know if i agree with that... windows mobile isn't the best operating system because it's sloppy. so we need faster pocketpc's in all honesty.
even 400mhz isn't fast enough.
i'm also curious if its possible to squeeze just a little extra out of it (safely).
i love how my Touch works and how it's setup with windows mobile 6 and now this Manila 2D interface... but it's just always been slow. Even straight out of the box. I recently lost my phone and got a new one... Opened up the brand new one and it's just as slow as my other one.
i made registry tweaks too to increase ram usage and all those good things yo u can do there. no good in my opinion too slow for 2008... 2009 now.
great hardware. poor software. want to compensate for that by making the good hardware even better...

tom_m said:
dont know if i agree with that... windows mobile isn't the best operating system because it's sloppy. so we need faster pocketpc's in all honesty.
even 400mhz isn't fast enough.
i'm also curious if its possible to squeeze just a little extra out of it (safely).
i love how my Touch works and how it's setup with windows mobile 6 and now this Manila 2D interface... but it's just always been slow. Even straight out of the box. I recently lost my phone and got a new one... Opened up the brand new one and it's just as slow as my other one.
i made registry tweaks too to increase ram usage and all those good things yo u can do there. no good in my opinion too slow for 2008... 2009 now.
great hardware. poor software. want to compensate for that by making the good hardware even better...
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Hi dude, read your post and i wonder if you search the XDA for new 6.5roms esp "optimised" ? I heard XDA has most of the roms for "all" wm phone also uni roms. use the search engine found at the top under " search ". I have downloaded a "Touch" but forgot where they are located cos im a downloader, not a note writer

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Hi dude, read your post and i wonder if you search the XDA for new 6.5roms esp "optimised" ? I heard XDA has most of the roms for "all" wm phone also uni roms. use the search engine found at the top under " search ". I have downloaded a "Touch" but forgot where they are located cos im a downloader, not a note writer
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So, what version of the Touch do you have?

New Touch Flo 3D UI for Wizard!!!!

Hey all the rom cooks and others see this link and see if we can get this on our wizards??
http://www.mobile-review.com/pda/review/htc-touch-diamond-full-part2-en.shtml
if already available plz attach on this thread thnx.....

Did not work on Wizard, because Diamonds are to different from Wizards (hardware). This will be a secret wish.
Greetings Mirko

It does look great and I think alot of people over at Dev. and Hacking section have some skins with Mortscript and throttle launcher or whatever that are similar to Touch Flo 3D. But for me, they were too memory hungry for our 30 MB or less of unused RAM wizards. I can't afford to run those UI programs in the background, hell, I have a hard enough time getting new Opera to run while streaming satellite radio or which ever other program, for that matter.

Not just that, the cpu speed is too slow, doesn't have a graphics chip which means software rendering.

Here is the link for TouchFLO UI in case anyone want's to try it!
Thanks to Dev. and Hacking Threads: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=390553

gehzumteufel said:
Not just that, the cpu speed is too slow, doesn't have a graphics chip which means software rendering.
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Yeah i dont think anyone could get anything that good on the wizard
Wizard
CPU: 195 Mhz
RAM: 64 MB
Diamond
CPU: 528 Mhz
RAM: 192 MB
Unless someone can code up something that doesnt need alot of power and also looks good, but idk??

lets hope we can get some one to design a similar ui for our wizards, in a way that they consume less memory and cpu power........

Overclocking the HTC Touch Diamond 2

There a seller on ebay selling a HTC Touch Diamond 2 that is overclocked to 1GHz.
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/New-HTC-Touc...ItemQQptZAU_Mobile_Phones?hash=item3efaa9c966
How do you overclock a HTC Touch Diamond 2

fake?
i don't thik you can
if it where possible it would shure drain your battery
it is olso no stock wm 6.5 because on the pic you see japanese combined wit english on the menu's
so i think its fake
greetz nem
edit : i am sure it can't be done
is normal speed is 528 MHz so you have 2 dubbel it

emails4me said:
There a seller on ebay selling a HTC Touch Diamond 2 that is overclocked to 1GHz.
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/New-HTC-Touc...ItemQQptZAU_Mobile_Phones?hash=item3efaa9c966
How do you overclock a HTC Touch Diamond 2
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....its a fake; look at the stylus; its placed on the left side at the device!

lol
olso no zoom bar and the usb entrance is on the top insted of on the bottum

Wowww. What a phone. A topaz that faster than mine. Hahaha.
Must be a chlnese brand non htc device. Notice that there is no HTC text up on the phone.
I'm impressed.

For a moment I thought it was an actual TD2, but the volume control in place of the zoombar gave it away, along with the stylus. Pretty cool, though

Ok,Ok, its fake picture from ebay...But can somebody upload some cab for over- and under- clocking for our device...or some link for download ?
Thanks forwarding
Regards

miro666 said:
Ok,Ok, its fake picture from ebay...But can somebody upload some cab for over- and under- clocking for our device...or some link for download ?
Thanks forwarding
Regards
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Hmm. Overclocking is not possible i think.

opensea said:
Hmm. Overclocking is not possible i think.
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Not possible ? To bad...Maybe with them app we can improved battery life for our device.
EDIT: Will somebody try this app :
nueClockControl
Regards

overclocking a cell phone? what's next, upgrading ram, installing nvidia video graphics cards and playing halo3? the nueclockcontrol program has 7065 downloads, but it doesn't seem like any of them are from xda, otherwise we would have heard something by now! "if it's too good to be true, then it probably is!"

nueclockcontroll can't overclock , it can only "underclock" :-(
but its a nice thread , maybe can anywhere "edit" the nueclockcontroll so we can overclock ?
i have se some HTC Kaiser what was OC to 728mhz < , so its possible , but nobody have a programm :-(

I would not even dare to *overclock* my phone.
What advantages would this have as the rest of the hardware is not designed for this ?
I think this will reduce the life span of your phone as well?

miro666 said:
Not possible ? To bad...Maybe with them app we can improved battery life for our device.
EDIT: Will somebody try this app :
nueClockControl
Regards
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a direct text of your link Although overclocking is not possible yet,
try to reed first

CommanderDuplex said:
nueclockcontroll can't overclock , it cans only "underclock" :-(
but its a nice thread , maybe can anywhere "edit" the nueclockcontroll so we can overclock ?
i have se some HTC Kaiser what was OC to 728mhz < , so its possible , but nobody have a programm :-(
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OK,OK....But underclocking is good for battery life...But bad for device speed....Resume: I hold on original processor speed 528 MHz
Regards

I already fried one Artemis playing this silly overclock game..I got the what I call "fading to black screen syndrome". I was extremely lucky that my device was still under warranty and that HTC assistance couldn't detect it was my fault. So it is obvious that I absolutely NOT recommend to use such tools, also because the advantage you could take is nothing compared to the disadvantage of a even more poor battery life

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I already fried one Artemis playing this silly overclock game..I got the what I call "fading to black screen syndrome". I was extremely lucky that my device was still under warranty and that HTC assistance couldn't detect it was my fault. So it is obvious that I absolutely NOT recommend to use such tools, also because the advantage you could take is nothing compared to the disadvantage of a even more poor battery life
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That is true....Maybe it, playing wit CPU clock speed, is reason because many coocked ROMs on ROM section our forum, have enormus battery drain usage...
Regards

Same here... Overclocked my HTC Touch. And killed it after a while..
(fortunately my warranty did the job after that^^ )
The tool "BatteryStatus" overclocked and underclocked the phone dynamic so it was battery friendly and faster..
It works great if you don't go too far with the processor speed
[edit] The cooked ROMs here are not overclocked I guess.. It would be mentioned to what mhz the ROMs clock our devices.

Tool "Battery Status" ? Have you link or can upload cab ?
Do you mind on Battery Guard maybe ?
Regards

I used BatteryStatus to overclock my HTC Touch. On the Topaz it does not over/underclock the cpu...
(At least I didn't find the option to change cpu speed)

overclocking
I would apreciate the possibility of dynamicly overclocking the TOPAZ.
I don´t find it that fast though, having disabled htc-sense, using spb MS 3.5 instead.
Maybe have to downgrad to MS 3 ..
I was so glad having BatteryStatus installed on my htc ELF, usually running with 200MHZ.
overclocked dynamicly between 112 - 299 (turbo-, basic 273) and my little elf was damn fast but economicly working with its battery.
Any app simular to BS for the Topaz would be worth donating at least € 10,--
Regards

TouchFlow 3D On MEGA

Is it possible to get TF3D running on the MEGA for too?
I had installed it before, but TF3D start in an endless loop.

I dont think so, Mega doesnt support 3D, missing OpenGL driver (if i am not wrong)

Chriss, indeed don't do this.....there are some people who have it on similar devices (not Mega). Requires a lot of development.
Only solution for now wait till somebody has it done and reports it working....

Frank Caarls said:
Chriss, indeed don't do this.....there are some people who have it on similar devices (not Mega). Requires a lot of development.
Only solution for now wait till somebody has it done and reports it working....
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Had it may well be there is a solution ...
But thanks anyway!

mirost1 said:
I dont think so, Mega doesnt support 3D, missing OpenGL driver (if i am not wrong)
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hi, i have surfed a lot in the web and the results is:
MSM7225 528 is in touch2, snap, touch cruise, ecc ecc.
528mhz (overclocked by me at 640mhz)
and at this moment there aren't 3d drivers but when i copy 3dmapi.dll and openglES.dll in the windows directory i can run some 3d app.
i have installed also touchFlo3D and it start but not see well
help me to start 3d on this ppc please

How you overclocked MSM7225 , please share with us.

XxXPachaXxX said:
hi, i have surfed a lot in the web and the results is:
MSM7225 528 is in touch2, snap, touch cruise, ecc ecc.
528mhz (overclocked by me at 640mhz)
and at this moment there aren't 3d drivers but when i copy 3dmapi.dll and openglES.dll in the windows directory i can run some 3d app.
i have installed also touchFlo3D and it start but not see well
help me to start 3d on this ppc please
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Man I have to say this sounds great. It's good to finally see some more progress for this device. I hope that you can make a guide for overclocking the processor and that tf3d will be available soon

Correct me , but with only coping files and overclocking a few MHz above wouldn't do the job .... from all i've read , it seem that HARDWARELY Mega could't support TF3D , if i'm wrong then it's only a matter of time before some1 make our dream(1 of 2)* come true !
P.S. *our other dream is Android runnin on Mega ;]]

Android will be closer simply because more people are interested in that......

mom4ence said:
How you overclocked MSM7225 , please share with us.
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Hi i used this tools...it's from HTC...but i want a 3d driver for mega
we all united can do this

Device on steroids..... Thanks for sharing!
Have you noticed real performance improvement? Any impact on apps like TomTom?
Want to try but am a little careful because of generating extra heat or battery drain. Did you notice this?

We are getting a bit off topic......found these 2 threads with info on overclocking:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=725290
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=6564058
Some improvement reported in certain applications but also more battery. Otherwise seems stable app.

Frank C said:
Device on steroids..... Thanks for sharing!
Have you noticed real performance improvement? Any impact on apps like TomTom?
Want to try but am a little careful because of generating extra heat or battery drain. Did you notice this?
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Hi.
Yes it is completely faster, also in TouchFlo and Menu, Messages, Internet, ecc, ecc.
In my mega no extra heat of the phone. The only things is that the battery drains a little bit before...but life is same good...but with more speed increase

very nice team i wish i could see andriod and touch flo 3d on my mega

Yes, it is possible to run TF3D on Mega.
I have bought my Mega a month ago, and it is coming with TF3D from the operator or manufacturer.
It is running pretty good and fast. Battery lasts 4-5 days.
I think that these "Mega"s, that are produced last year are coming with TF3D and newer ROM from the manufacturer.

Could you post some pics with TF3D running and also the specs of your MEGA??
Because it is impossible to run TF3D with the original processor and RAM.
ddsimeonov said:
Yes, it is possible to run TF3D on Mega.
I have bought my Mega a month ago, and it is coming with TF3D from the operator or manufacturer.
It is running pretty good and fast. Battery lasts 4-5 days.
I think that these "Mega"s, that are produced last year are coming with TF3D and newer ROM from the manufacturer.
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yes i am curious too

Over clocking problems
Guys, over clocking may damage the device, as written on the HTC Performance config.
Still if it's working fine, just let me know.

it is ! work fine more than 8 monts

Just checking up on this thread, is there any news on the mega having 3D?http://forum.xda-developers.com/images/smilies/confused.gif