Hi Chaps,
I tried several Rom´s which are based on WM 6.1 on my T-Mobile MDA Vario 3 but I can´t get work the Bluetooth rSAP with my Volkswagen Premium Handsfree anymore.
It seems that WM 6.1 contains a different Bluetoothstack or rSAP driver.
Is it possible to extract the "old BT Stack" of the 6.0 as a .cab and add it to a actual german 6.1 Rom?
Many thanks in advance
svenna
rSAP and Diamond
Hi to all
i habe exactly the same problems with a T-Mobile Touch diamond (HTC) with the FSE Premium in my Passat ´07.
My previous Telephone Hermes, with WinMobile 6.0 works without problems with the car.
But with the Diamond the car-kit says "telephone is initialised" and then "User is connected" and begins again with "telephone .." and so on.
I also tried diffrent ROMs and Radios, without success.
VW only say "not compatible" (they also said this to hermes !)
@svenna: i think, your suggest would be a possible solution, if possible ?
thx, greetings from austria,
vtwin
Hello,
Have you at last found any solution using rSAP and WM 6.1? I am using a PREMIUM FSE (VW RNS 510) and an HTC Touch HD with wm6.1 and cannot connect at the end. I enter the 16 key pin, but then the message I got is that the HTC cannot connect. It seems that the bt stack in wm6.1 is different from wm6 and wm5. I successfully paired a wm5 P3300, but although I tried almost everything I found in related threads, I could not pair using a wm6.1 HTC touch HD.
Thanks,
Nectarios
Hi, I have the same problem with my VW FSE UHV carkit and a HTC TP with WM6.1.
I read on the german wikipedia the following about rSAP:
Die Bisherigen SAP- Freisprechanlagen unterstützen keine UMTS-SIM-Karten, da das GSM Modul nicht auf dieser Frequenz senden kann.
Which means that a WM6.1 device in combination with a UMTS SIM card does not work. Pairing a nokia with a UMTS sim card worked fine. Apparently the non-WM6.1 work differently
I tried to pair my HTC TP with an old prepaid sim card and the connection worked fine! I could even read SMS messages
Can anyone confirm this?
I have a vw passat 3c 2006 with the RNS-510 with premium kit (5N0 035 730). I use a english HTC tyTN-II with a UMTS-SIM (Provider - KPN) .
Rom on the phone is Garmin-DK2 which works for me. (Even sync's the phone-book from sim.) connect en disconnect from Rsap wotks fine...
Radio version 1.65.24.36 with hardspl Jockeyw 3.29
Also tryed Garmin DK-4 which didn't work.. haven't tried DK9 or DK10 yet....
Hope to hear from anybody who has also succes. Maybe Garmin can shed some light on the different versions of RSAP and Bleutooth stack...
confirm its 6.1 and umts sim
I have the same problem with my VW FSE UHV carkit and a HTC TP with WM6.1.
have tried man roms but WM6.1 device in combination with a UMTS SIM card does not work. Pairing a nokia with a UMTS sim card worked fine.
HTC TP with an old 32k sim card and the connection worked fine!
anyone seen any upgrades for wm 6.1 fix
Have read somewhere on the internet (But not yet tried it...)
- Install Schaps advanced config
- launch Schaps advanced config
- In bleutooth settings enable OBEX
soft reset
- disable direct push
- connect to RSAP in car..
- connection should work
- telephone-book should be synced... (only SIM-phone-book)
This should work with RSAP and wm 6.1....
As stated, i haven't tried it yet, because my setup (Garmin DK2) is working......
Hope to hear from you if this works????
mvdwolf said:
Have read somewhere on the internet (But not yet tried it...)
- Install Schaps advanced config
- launch Schaps advanced config
- In bleutooth settings enable OBEX
soft reset
- disable direct push
- connect to RSAP in car..
- connection should work
- telephone-book should be synced... (only SIM-phone-book)
This should work with RSAP and wm 6.1....
As stated, i haven't tried it yet, because my setup (Garmin DK2) is working......
Hope to hear from you if this works????
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Great info... should be a Sticky..... I once was tinkering with similar issue with my S500 Benz and had to install the BT Stack, I uploaded to rapidShare, that was for my Wizard. It might be the same BT stack the guys are looking for. use at own risk.
http://rapidshare.com/files/183553206/BroadcomBluetoothStackX51V05.zip.html
Trying it too
Trying the proposed solutions also on my Xperia X1 using a custom rom that is based on the Touch HD rom (original ROM had no remote sim at all, tried installing it, but same result).
All the tips above have not helped. Even changing the registry entry of how the phone presents itself, did nothing.
I'm using a Skoda SuperbII with RNS-510 and premium carkit. It finds the phone, it connects, it gives me the digits and after that, my phone acknowledges the carkit, but the carkit just seems to hang and not continue anymore after that point, untill it times out.
Connection not possible it just says.
We really need to figure this out!!
Anybody tried Garmin DK2 like I did?? If someone else gets that one also to work, we would know that there is something in that version which is working right...
different sim
Okay, from what I have been able to gather, the following is going on.
The carkit is trying to log on in a frequency that it cannot handle.
I have been able to connect the carkit, download the address book and make calls with my Xperia now. No problems what so ever....except one. I was using a SIM from a collega whom has a different network!
I use t-mobile and my collegea has kpn/telfort. Doing more research, I have learned that kpn/telfort and vodaphone use the 1800 band frequency. And that t-mobile uses the 900 frequency.
I am not entirely certain at this point that this truly is the real problem, but, my phone works, my carkit and car works, so all the software bits are in sync, but only using a different sim. Rebooting the phone, changing nothing but the sim, makes it completely broken again!!
I'm using a RNS-510 with the Skoda/VW premium carkit. If anyone is able to shed some light on this and what possible fixes could be, I'd really like to hear!
I have been looking (and mailed) if a fiscon unit could potentionaly fix this problem. They also have units which intergrate with the system.
But I'd rather find a software solution, obviously. Sadly enough, manny cases can be found where people have problems, often, with no solution. This problems is *NOT* specefic to the Xperia, I do realize that now, since the new ROM, rSAP is working just fine.
The fiscon will work without a problem... (it uses only Bleutooth like a parrot carkit, not RSAP) The Skoda Unit will also work without a Problem.. (1Z0 035 729 C also a bleutooth only carkit) Both fully functional with the RNS-510 and MFA-Dash and steering-wheel buttons.
The problem is somehow in the SIM and the acces of the SIM... Is there a way to find out what is communicated thru RSAP
What you could try:
Go to comm manger, settings, Phone
select TAB- Band
and play with these settings...
Maybe that will help...
Check this out.... Maybe that will help...
http://briskoda.net/superb-ii/howto...us-rns510-using-non-compatible-mobile/131709/
@ Quindor:
Try your own SIM, and disable OBEX.. (It's some kind of security protocol) and then try to connect again...
it just got more complex!
Okay, things just more complex then ever before.
My x1 using a HTC touch HD rom base and rSAP from HTC (default in rom).
KPN sim = works and can call
Vodaphone sim = logs in but carkit crashes on trying to connect to cell towers. But car connection functions.
T-mobile sim = connection to carkit never gets finished.
I'm totally lost. Using a friends N95, all the sims work flawlessly.... which makes me even more clueless, because the carkit reads the sim data and then connects using it's own radio to the cell network.
Please, advice? How can this be fixed? Is there a different version of the HTC rSAP software available maybe?
Quindor said:
Okay, from what I have been able to gather, the following is going on.
The carkit is trying to log on in a frequency that it cannot handle.
I have been able to connect the carkit, download the address book and make calls with my Xperia now. No problems what so ever....except one. I was using a SIM from a collega whom has a different network!
I use t-mobile and my collegea has kpn/telfort. Doing more research, I have learned that kpn/telfort and vodaphone use the 1800 band frequency. And that t-mobile uses the 900 frequency.
I am not entirely certain at this point that this truly is the real problem, but, my phone works, my carkit and car works, so all the software bits are in sync, but only using a different sim. Rebooting the phone, changing nothing but the sim, makes it completely broken again!!
I'm using a RNS-510 with the Skoda/VW premium carkit. If anyone is able to shed some light on this and what possible fixes could be, I'd really like to hear!
I have been looking (and mailed) if a fiscon unit could potentionaly fix this problem. They also have units which intergrate with the system.
But I'd rather find a software solution, obviously. Sadly enough, manny cases can be found where people have problems, often, with no solution. This problems is *NOT* specefic to the Xperia, I do realize that now, since the new ROM, rSAP is working just fine.
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I have the same problem: HTC Touch Pro-WM6.1 with VW UHV Premium and T-mobile 3G sim card does not work.
Same device without changing settings with an old pre-paid KPN sim card works fine! Connection and phonecalls without problems. I could even read sms messages on the car display.
On a German website I read that the new 3G/HSDPA sim cards do not work with rSAP.
okay, I get that
I get that, and I thought it was that also.
But using a nokia N95 with my sim in it, it worked just fine. So something is odd there.
And my phone with windows mobile 6.1 using a KPN sim connected to the 3G network, also worked fine!
:S
The plot thickigens even more!
Using my sim card in my X1, not working. Original ROM, Original ROM + rSAP extensions, cooked rom from touch HD with native rSAP. Just non-functional.
Using the exact same phone, without the t-mobile sim but with the KPN sim, works perfectly, no problems what so ever.
Using an older Nokia E50, both sims work flawlessly, also my t-mobile sim.
This leads me to one conclusion and that is that the HTC rSAP implementation is seriously bugged.
Anyone have any idea on how to proceed? Somewhere I have read that the HTC's wouldn't handle 3G or UMTS sims and only use older ones. But, using the KPN sim I connect to 3G and it works. Also the nokia E50 of N95 can use any network and it just plain works. There for that statement is wrong in my opinion and it is caused by buggy software of HTC.
Anyone have a good idea on how to proceed? Lots of people having this problem and buying nokia's, but for no real reason other then buggy software it seems.
I really like my X1, and payed a lot of money for it, so I really need this to start working.... Please assist and help, also people with a diamond or other HTC, using the same software.
I've been a frustrated HTC TytnII (P4550, Kaiser...) owner since day 1, but all the more so when I bought a new VW car with Premium car kit in it. Initially, the WM6.0 based PDA worked, but I had to manually enable the "rSAP" add-on program every time. When I learned of an official HTC WM6.1 upgrade, I installed it on the promise "rSAP build in". Which it was, except that from then on I have ridiculous problems when trying to connect. I manage, but it typically takes 5-10 minutes (!) fiddling with it - breaking the bluetooth connection while the car kit is trying (in vain) to connect several times; eventually (at best after 3 tries) it will connect. When it does however, everything works fine afterwards. I tried a collegues' identical PDA with similar results. My wife's Nokia N95 works fine all the time.
My five cents on ideas raised here:
- the frequency relation seems strange/unlikely, I did not change subscription or SIM or... between my upgrade from WM6.0 to 6.1
- similar for trying different SIM cards
This really ought to be a WM6.1 issue, or whatever modules came with it (radio? I'm not an expert - just want the damn thing to work). And I have strong suspicion that Nokia (who builds the VW kit) and Microsoft just simply did not want to get along. The compatibility list of VW is very, very short (basically Nokia and an odd Siemens) and has lots of caveats why another phone might not work. Grrrr....
still nothing
Did some tests again today, but sadly enough, no progress yet. ( tried some different rom's for my phone (xperia x1) original and based on touch HD, to no effect).
I'm going to try and get a hold of a Touch Diamond and a Touch HD and see how those preform with my sim. If my suspiciouns are correct, they will also fail, making this a combination of bad software with bugs with certain sim's.
That is the conclusion I am faced with right now... sadly enough, no idea how this can be remedied.
Are there developers whom might be able to write a reliable rsap implementation or will HTC ever come with a working version?
What do you guys think?
Called with support
I have been in contact with Sony-Ericsson support and they tell me they cannot make the X1 compatible, because it is not just software.
Off course, to me this sound like total bull****, seeying I have allready had an raap connection with the X1. But this was either using HTC software add-on's or using a rom that was based on the htc touch HD.
Sadly enough, I cannot work without this functionality... and thus will be forced to sell my phone and buy... a nokia.... not bad, since I have had nokia's all my life. But I really really do not eNjoy beying forced to do so.
touch pro same problem rSAP
i can confirm a HTC Touch Pro exhiits the same behaviour, it works fine on an older 32K non3g vodafone sim, and does not work on a 128k 3g vodafone sim.
i have tried 6 diff roms and also a sep BT stack as per the skoda link and same problem occurs, i have had the TouchPro connect a couple of times but only ever once and from then it just loops as initialising and connecting, i suspect a timing problem maybe, as the older sim syncs up quite fast
i have a new Nokia N85 and it works perfectly on both sims, note the 3G sim takes longer but it works, which leads me to the timing thought, on the nokia all phone book syncing etc also works
i also tried syncing the nokia then switching the sim to the TPro but it just loops, the car kit def tries to use the same 'user profile' as it does recognise the sim irrespective of the handset
this is all happening on an 08 VW toureg with premium kit, im thinking of going to a second sim and just leaving the nokia in the car as the n85 is useless on the email side, painful this
seems to me to be a wm6.1 / HTC / 3g(128ksim) issue
Hello,
I have a Becker PNA Traffic Assist Z 200 that offers a BT hands free function.
With my Nokia 6300 and 5500 all works find but not with the S710.
The connection is established and the telephone book unsuccessful transmit to the Z200.
But if I call somewhere or get a call the caller can't here me. On the Z200 the quality is also really bad like crosstalk.
Is there any possibility to get the issue under control?
I tested it with the original HTC ROM, Dr. Martin Gonzo 6.1 and now I run the NEO ROM for Vox v0.9.
With all ROMs the same problem.
I do not think the MS BT stack allows this functionality. I have been using the JETWare extension to increase the feature set of the stack. It might allow what you are asking, they have a 30 day free trial so you can see if will work without purchasing.
If it works, send me a PM.
Thanks for the tip, only to clarify
- The connection are established successfully
- The phone book are successfully transfered to the Z200
Dialing are working as expected "only" the voice quality on my site is bad and my voice are not forwarded to the call partner.
I have also tested with JETware but still the same.
With other hands free units all works good, like the Parrot 3200 LS.
I have the same problem using the HTC S710 together with a Becker Z200. Quality of the peer voice is miserable. My voice is not audible to the peer.
Did you solve the problem?
Is this a Z200 problem or a HTC S710 problem?
Thanks for any information.
Tasos
I have to assume that it's a problem with the Becker. I have used my S710 with both a Garmin and a TomTom device without any issues. On both, the phone book is transferred and the voice quality on a call is fine.
To date I tried and failed with:
-- The original S710 (with and without the latest device software upgrade)
-- A T-Mobile MDA Vario III (here I had also issues with pairing)
-- An HTC Touch Diamond
In contrast I tried and succeeded achieving good quality connections to the Z200 with:
-- A Nokia 5300
-- A Blackberry
On the German pocketnavigation.de forum, posters claim successful pairing and good voice quality with some Sony/Ericsson and Motorola mobile phones.
I thought I let you know.
This issue is still present in Becker Z203 (and probably Z201, Z202, Z204)
My old WM2003SE bases smartphone worked fine, but with my WM6.5.3 smartphone, I only get distorted audio.
It seems that it is related to missing A2DP support in Z20x devices.