I currently have an HTC Touch Pro that I got when my work used Optus as a provider. Shortly after that, they moved to Telstra, so I've been on the old 3G (non NextG) speeds ever since :-S
A work collogue just gave me an HTC FUZE - which as I understand it is a US AT&T branded version, which supports the 850Mhz UTMS frequency that Telstra requires for their NextG network. (There also seems to be an extra button?) Some threads here seem to indicate it should work at NextG speeds which is encouraging.
Can someone tell mw what the best options are to set this up? I'm hoping it's unlocked, but I saw some unlocking instructions on the Wiki. Am I able to load the stock standard world wide TTC Pro ROM from the HTC Australian site? Or will the different frequency support mess it up?
Should I use the standard AT&T ROM from the HTC US site (I don't really want the AT&T branding, but it seems to have features like slide-to-answer which would be nice).
Or will I have to go down a cooked ROM path? (Stability is the prime importance here). Any suggestions of a good ROM that supports the FUZE?
Thanks!
As long as your network has 850mhz support, it should be fine. The Fuze has the most frequency support of any phone, and definitely supports NextG's HSDPA and HSUPA networks.
As for the ROM, its really a matter of preference, doesn't affect frequency support. Though for better reception and battery life you might want to look into replacing your radio ROM (its in a sticky in the ROM section).
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Is the HTC Touch Pro able to work on U.S 3G band , if not is there a radio patch that will activate the U.S band on the device. Please help.
This is a very hot topic on this forum but so far from what i've been able to see none of the radios have enabled 3G. This is not to say that 3G isn't supported by the hardware although its looking pretty grim. It appears that the ELITE team is working on this since they just released Hardspl
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This is a very hot topic on this forum but so far from what i've been able to see none of the radios have enabled 3G. This is not to say that 3G isn't supported by the hardware although its looking pretty grim. It appears that the ELITE team is working on this since they just released Hardspl
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We shall see what happens, although the bands are available in the "band" settings tab so it MAY be a radio issue.
Bit early to know yet, as there is only one user here so far who has hold of an AT&T Fuze (RAPH11000) we dont have a huge ammount of detail yet.
Both the newer 1.02.25.31 and 1.02.25.19 radios seem to have similar protocols (same QCT_BOOT and HTC_BOOT), it would be good if any user could flash the (apparently) older 1.02.25.11 radio and see if it does anything?
I really wish i could help out on this 3G front but no 3G in my area...
I can help...
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...Both the newer 1.02.25.31 and 1.02.25.19 radios seem to have similar protocols (same QCT_BOOT and HTC_BOOT), it would be good if any user could flash the (apparently) older 1.02.25.11 radio and see if it does anything?
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I have the 1.02.25.19 radio here in Chicago. I know I have good 3G coverage from my TyTN II that I had previously. But why would you think the OLDER radio (1.02.25.11) would have U.S. 3G? ...jus curious.
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I've installed the radio 1.02.25.11 and no luck with 3G in US ATT. only edge support.
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I tried all the radios listed on the wiki too. None of them worked with 3G.
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I have the 1.02.25.19 radio here in Chicago. I know I have good 3G coverage from my TyTN II that I had previously. But why would you think the OLDER radio (1.02.25.11) would have U.S. 3G? ...jus curious.
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Its bundled with the AT&T ROM which is currently on the AT&T Fuze devices people are testing.
Higher radio version number doesnt necessarily mean a better one, as veterans of the Hermes will verify
The overseas Touch Pro cannot get 3G in the US. Just like the Diamond, the Touch Pro from overseas (RAPH100) does not have a WCDMA 850 radio.
Flash all the radios you guys want... it's not going to get you 3G on the 850 band. You'll have to wait for the US version/ATT Fuze if you're in the US and want 3G data.
Anyone know when AT&T sould release US version/ATT Fuze?
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The overseas Touch Pro cannot get 3G in the US. Just like the Diamond, the Touch Pro from overseas (RAPH100) does not have a WCDMA 850 radio.
Flash all the radios you guys want... it's not going to get you 3G on the 850 band. You'll have to wait for the US version/ATT Fuze if you're in the US and want 3G data.
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Until we have tested newer ROMs and radios that statement is pure speculation. MANY devices have had missing bands and etc...but have had them unlocked in ROM and Radio updates so it is too early to be writing off 3G support yet.
I have a TouchPro coming tomorrow. I called HTC today and (although I have about as much confidence in this as the paper I wrote this on) I was told by a lower level tech (I think he knew what I was talking about) that a "software" upgrade would allow for the European 3G enabled device to work in the US for 3G
... I sure hope so since I forked out the cash today
The Treo 750 didn't even start out 3G capable at all and was made 3G able with a ROM upgrade
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Maybe a very stupid question, but what about openning up an eu version to see if the quad radio hardware is there? I would assume the radio chipset would be labeled and numbered so that we would know once and for all.
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I have a TouchPro coming tomorrow. I called HTC today and (although I have about as much confidence in this as the paper I wrote this on) I was told by a lower level tech (I think he knew what I was talking about) that a "software" upgrade would allow for the European 3G enabled device to work in the US for 3G
... I sure hope so since I forked out the cash today
The Treo 750 didn't even start out 3G capable at all and was made 3G able with a ROM upgrade
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I sure hope that the HTC tech guy knew what he was talking about! Im want to know before 9/17 so i can either pre order the HTC dream with t-mo (current provider) or switch over to AT&T so i can (hopefully) use 3G with my touch pro
Don't take this the wrong way...
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I tried all the radios listed on the wiki too. None of them worked with 3G.
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...but can we ASSUME you DO in fact KNOW you have 3G coverage in the U.S. area(s) you tested these ROMs?
Not trying to upset or belittle your efforts...just had to ask.
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Maybe a very stupid question, but what about openning up an eu version to see if the quad radio hardware is there? I would assume the radio chipset would be labeled and numbered so that we would know once and for all.
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I thought about this but cracking open a 900 dollar device and completely voiding the warranty really isn't worth it. If someone can get schematic from HTC which i doubt we could see if the hardware is installed.
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The overseas Touch Pro cannot get 3G in the US. Just like the Diamond, the Touch Pro from overseas (RAPH100) does not have a WCDMA 850 radio.
Flash all the radios you guys want... it's not going to get you 3G on the 850 band. You'll have to wait for the US version/ATT Fuze if you're in the US and want 3G data.
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I believe there is an asian hardware version, this is what the HTC techs keep mentioning that might have the 850 3G radio.
I have a case into HTC support asking them to answer the question for me around if the radio is hardware capable of 3G in the US and explained what bands I was talking about and that it was in the software to enable those. I Posed the question as if I was unhappy that I was selecting these bands and it wasnt working to try to get an answer out of them will report back when I am answered one way or another.
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I have a case into HTC support asking them to answer the question for me around if the radio is hardware capable of 3G in the US and explained what bands I was talking about and that it was in the software to enable those. I Posed the question as if I was unhappy that I was selecting these bands and it wasnt working to try to get an answer out of them will report back when I am answered one way or another.
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Just so you know - I sent a similar email to them regarding the 850 band on the Diamond and I was sent a very nice response informing me that the phone I purchased was not intended for the US and did not have the hardware capability to be used on ATT in the US. Low and behold the xda developers made the 850 band work. Now HTC offers a rom upgrade opening the 850 band they said was not in phone. Unfortunately the response you get will not be the definitive answer.
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Until we have tested newer ROMs and radios that statement is pure speculation. MANY devices have had missing bands and etc...but have had them unlocked in ROM and Radio updates so it is too early to be writing off 3G support yet.
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I understand yours and others' reasons for not believing me or assuming it's speculation. All I can say is there will be a lot of effort put forth for no reason, just like with the DIAM100, only to confim that the hardware everyone is trying to unlock isn't even there. If the efforts put forth do nothing more than prove the above to be true, then at the very least people can rest more easily with full confirmation.
Hi guys, I recently acquired an HTC Wizard, I unlocked it and flashed a custom rom and I really like the phone but I'm looking to upgrade. The phones I've been looking at are the Dream, Kaiser and the Fuze. I've read the reviews on the G1 and it looks good but I'm not sure I'm ready to give up windows mobile (office is handy for work). But since I hear such good things, hows it compare to the others? Is the Fuze really worth me shelling out more cash over the Kaiser (about $150-$200 on ebay)? I'm also wondering if there are any other HTC models that offer everything I want without seriously breaking the bank. It needs to have mp3, video, net, keyboard, GPS, 3g, wifi, tetherable, touchscreen and needs to be unlockable or T-mobile based. Basically just looking for some advice on the best buy for my buck. Even if it's not necessarily an HTC (hope I don't get flamed for this =P). Also one more quick question, if I'm currently on T-mobile with the non 3g wizard and I pop my sim into a 3g phone, it will work at 3g speeds without me needing to do anything (provided coverage is in my area) ? Thanks in advance.
I miss my Fuze. I ended up returning it to get a Xperia, and I regret it, due to the Xperia's subpar keyboard.
On the other hand, the Touch Pro 2 will be out soon in the US (as the HTC Fortress on AT&T at an indeterminate date and the T-Mobile Wing II in July), and that should be everything the Fuze is and more (thinner, better battery life, larger and higher res screen, etc). I'd wait for that.
As for the sim swap question, yes, it should work, assuming the phone you pop your T-Mobile sim in supports 3G at 850MHz, as that's the only frequency T-Mobile uses for 3G (as opposed to AT&T, which uses 850 and 1900 depending on area). If you use a Euro phone, expect it to only work in 1900MHz areas in the US if at all. Phones actually marketed for the US will support both 850 and 1900 bands, which means you won't have a problem.
Thanks for the info. Any idea on the cost of the touch pro 2? I wasn't really looking to break the bank but I am intrigued.
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Thanks for the info. Any idea on the cost of the touch pro 2? I wasn't really looking to break the bank but I am intrigued.
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Welcome to the forum
Depending on your conuntry the price varies
Have a look on expansys to ha an idea
$600-$800USD
That's without a contract, of course. AT&T and T-Mobile should both have the Touch Pro 2 for $150-300 depending on where you order it with plans, if my guess is accurate.
Yea just checked out a video on it and it looks really nice, I'm currently on a prepaid month to month thingy with t-mobile but if I can score this phone for $200 or so with a new contract I might have too. However for the time being I might have to go pick up a Kaiser, they are half the price of the fuze used and although not as sexy still do everything I'm looking for.
Doesn't T-mobile use 1700mhz for 3g and 850 for edge/gprs? From what I've been reading the kaiser wont do 3g on T-mobile.
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Doesn't T-mobile use 1700mhz for 3g and 850 for edge/gprs? From what I've been reading the kaiser wont do 3g on T-mobile.
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Tmob uses 1700 & 2100 fro 3g (must have both)! Kaeser will not do tmob 3g!
Tmob edge uses 850...
Here's the TP2 new owner excitement forum section:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=488
ok so i just bought a google ion recently. it still has the tmobile sim in it. i live in canada (vancouver) and i can't seem to get 3g speeds out here on the ion (roaming on rogers network). i was thinking of just selling the ion and picking up a rogers magic instead so that i could get 3g speeds. after my use of the tmobile sim runs out at the end of the month, i was planning on using rogers (or fido) anyway.
now what's the deal here? do you guys think i should get the rogers phone or not?
is the ion rom a lot better than the rogers?
why can't i get 3g on the ion? i thought rogers used 850/1900 and tmobile used 900/1900?
i don't really want to throw in a cooked rom on either one. i used to use a lot of cooked roms on winmo, but i don't really want to get into cooked roms using android. anyway thanx...
no t-mobile uses 1700 in the states.......u are right about rogers' bands...getting the magic will get you the 3G speeds you are looking for.
cant comment on the rom though
thanks for the reply
anyone else know which is better rom?
3G bands in Magic depends on hardware or firmware?
Chipsets MSM7200A & MSM7201A supply all range HSDPA/WCDMA: 850/850/900/1700/1900/2100 MHz
Can i flash Rogers with Ion firmware (or other) and change 3G bands from 850/1900 to 900/2100?
Ion ROM is faster than Rogers Magic ROM but it lacks some of the HTC built-in apps (Exchange, camera/camcorder interface, and etc).
So it looks like TMO is using 1700/2100 for 3G while AT&T is using 850/1900 MHz. So basically the Dash3G is useless on AT&T for 3G.
Does anyone know if flashing the radio part on the Maple with one that has the correct frequencies will enable 3G on AT&T's network? Or are the radio frequencies a hardware thing? I know the SNAP S522 is the true USA version with the correct bands I just have no way of getting my hands on the radio partition.
I want 3G on my Dash"3G".
Firstly - thanks very much for all the ROM's and your hard work!
I'm a long time browser of these forums, but don't post much. Also a long time user and "flasher"!!! All the way back to the old MPX200 days. Always liked WM Standard, so it's realy good to see all this interest!!!
HTC seems to have been real cagey in their frequency descriptions when it comes to the Dash 3G series of phones. I read somewhere that there are software driven transcievers in some obscure phones out there......and I wonder if HTC actualy did this with their latest and greatest....
Just thinking out loud, per your question. When you look at the spec sheets, they seem to be "non-commital with regards to wcdma specs.
Hmm.
Also, it'd be good to have a set of radio only ROM's, as and when we see T-Mob USA fixes.. there needs to be some improvements made with regards to switching between edge and wcdma - in my opinion. I'm in the DFW area and get dropped calls, the phone drops to edge way too often, especially after a call.
Hi guys, I bought a Sprint Touch Pro 2 that was being used on the CDMA network, but after moving to Ireland, I realized the phone was automatically unlocked hence any sim works on it.
I have used the Rhodium W Hard-SPL in the CDMA section for it, but am left wondering. Does my TP2 still fall under CDMA or is it now under GSM?
Coz i have tried loading some ROMS under the Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development and it failed and returned an ERROR.
So question is, is it still CDMA and can I upgrade to Android ROM?
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1) Yes, the default Sprint radio is unlocked for the Euro GSM bands (900/1800 GSM and 2100 WCDMA) by default. No need to pay for a SIM unlock unless you want to swap radios ROMs.
2) NO, you CANNOT use GSM ROMs. The device can only use the custom "CDMA" ROMs. The CDMA TP2 hardware is a hybrid model, whereas the "GSM" versions are GSM only. The ROMs are incompatible.
DO NOT FLASH A GSM ROM TO YOUR SPRINT TP2 FOR ANY REASON WHATSOEVER.
As far as Android, yes, you can safely load Android via Haret.
Thanks Gamescan for that prompt and to the point reply. Much appreciated.
Just another question if you might know, so which would you say is has better hardware? If the CDMA is Hybrid and the GSM is GSM only, am I to take it that the CDMA is better as it's (for lack of a better word) more advanced, or is the GSM better and why?
Thanks, thinking of trying Android, but, first read alot and see if the advantages outweigh running WM on the TP2.
Same hardware, different radios.
If you're in Europe, it doesn't really matter as every TP2 model supports GSM 900/1800 and WCDMA 2100, which are the Euro GSM and 3G frequencies.
Model choice only matters if you plan on using the phone in the Americas, where the GSM and WCDMA bands differ.
ROM wise it matters because even if you're not using the CDMA radio, the hardware is different and the ROMs are designed to reflect that. For day-to-day use in Ireland though, you'll never know the difference between models.