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OK - So does this work on Next G

Alright, I know this has probably been covered some where, and I know that this is a "world wide site", and I know this is all going to sound stupid given the answer is in my own post, but a question:
I am really liking the look of this phone, and I want to get one (when ever it comes out), but in Australia, our largest HSDPA network is Telstra NextG, which is 850 band. Looking at the specifications for the machine (this site had everything well laid out):
http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_touch_pro-2413.php
It states the European/Asian version will be HSDPA 900/2100. So I am going to guess that I can not use it on the Next G network with this version of the phone. Correct?
Also, the site states that the Americas (US) version is 850/1900.
So, I assume I have to get a phone from the US to use it on Telstra's Next G. Is this correct, or is there some other quirk that I do not know (like some CDMA difference or something)?
Thank you for homouring me

Correct, the NextG network will not work on this phone at present. Also correct, it will work on the US version. Here's the nice part though...
One of our members was nice enough to leak a version of the new AT&T ROM for the upcoming Raphael in the US, and since the hardware is all the same, HOPEFULLY flashing with that ROM will enable the 850mhz HSDPA band you and I both need. I'll be testing this on a Raphael when it releases in Europe, and I'll have a post up very quickly in this section letting people know how it went. If it works, you can buy any version and flash it (only takes 5 mins) for it to work in AUS.
Edit: Don't listen to GSMArena, HTC lists this phone as quad-band although they say it's tri-band.

Cheers and Beers
Black93300ZX said:
Correct, the NextG network will not work on this phone at present. Also correct, it will work on the US version. Here's the nice part though...
One of our members was nice enough to leak a version of the new AT&T ROM for the upcoming Raphael in the US, and since the hardware is all the same, HOPEFULLY flashing with that ROM will enable the 850mhz HSDPA band you and I both need. I'll be testing this on a Raphael when it releases in Europe, and I'll have a post up very quickly in this section letting people know how it went. If it works, you can buy any version and flash it (only takes 5 mins) for it to work in AUS.
Edit: Don't listen to GSMArena, HTC lists this phone as quad-band although they say it's tri-band.
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The above sounds good. I really do not want to go down the road of a Telstra locked phone (not that Telstra will release this one). I await your tests with anticipation.
Cheers and beers

Yeah, well, I figure if it doesn't work (hoping it doesn't brick it) I'll just resell it for like $25 less and it's not much of a loss for trying.

I don't know much about Australian telephone networks, but I've always wanted to go there and see what it feels like to be upside down all the time.

TheBundo said:
I don't know much about Australian telephone networks, but I've always wanted to go there and see what it feels like to be upside down all the time.
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Haha, seems like one of the nicest vacation spots in the world. Can't wait to go there someday.

Here is a photo of the Australian system:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/jeffwerner/278050267/

The Australian networks arent too bad. We have a choice of frequencies here. Telstra have the 850mhz 3G band and Optus and Vodafone are each expanding their exisiting 2100 3G network using 900mhz which will be launched over the next few months. The good thing about Raphael is that it will work on the 2100 and 900 3G bands and given that Telstra's voice and data plans are ridiculous many of those who want to use data on it wont care about the absence of 850...this is good news. However if the device can be flashed to work for everyone...even better.
As for the photo of the Australian networks that was a network similar to what I built in Sydney in the early 80's. A large carrier paid me a small fortune to decommision it as it was making them look bad!!

I'm also in Australia and plan to get this phone from one of the UK stores as I can't wait for 3 odd months for it to be released here. Now I'm sure there might be a few aussies here who have ordered from online stores outside Aus. What I wanna know is if I might have to pay any import duty on my purchase? If I buy from expansys uk, the unit will cost me roughly AU$920, but with bank fees and shipping charges, I would have paid $1010. I know that import duties are applicable if the cost of the unit is $1000. So does this count for me as well?
I just want to avoid paying more that I should.

However, I need Next G
Thanks all for your input on this. I was pretty sure that the phone would not work on the NExt G nextwork if I bought one (from say an internet dealer in Sydney or Melbourne), but as you can see from my "location", I need Next G. There is not 3G nextwork in the Top End except Telstra Next G (Or at least none that cover all of Darwin and its area adequately. Anyway I don't knock Telstra too much).
Further to that, I work away a lot and once again, Next G is OK (note I only said OK) for outside of major cities, and Telstra GSM is good for most rural townships also.
Anyway, I suppose my upgrade will be to a TyTN II to replace my old phone, at least it has the 850 band that I need for Next G.
Cheers and beers

Black93300ZX said:
Edit: Don't listen to GSMArena, HTC lists this phone as quad-band although they say it's tri-band.
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Not entirely true...see this post

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Not entirely true...see this post
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The Diamonds were listed as Tri-Band too, but now every Diamond is quad-band since they came out with the newer ROM. Same with the Touch Pro, some ROMs (apparently that nation's) don't support quad-band, but in time (or with a quick reflash) they will.

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The Diamonds were listed as Tri-Band too, but now every Diamond is quad-band since they came out with the newer ROM. Same with the Touch Pro, some ROMs (apparently that nation's) don't support quad-band, but in time (or with a quick reflash) they will.
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Thnx finally some clarification...
But still strange that our countries HTC would not enable that bandwith. They state it's a business phone. But business often means travelling arround the globe. Quadband would then be preffered above tri-band....
But black you know for sure the bandwith can be activated by just software? Some people say you need a different antenna. (I'm a noob in that area...).
Thnx anyway!

merten3000 said:
Thnx finally some clarification...
But still strange that our countries HTC would not enable that bandwith. They state it's a business phone. But business often means travelling arround the globe. Quadband would then be preffered above tri-band....
But black you know for sure the bandwith can be activated by just software? Some people say you need a different antenna. (I'm a noob in that area...).
Thnx anyway!
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The GSM antennas are all in every Diamond, the problem is with the UMTS radio. To keep the Diamonds so small, HTC had to remove the American UMTS radio, making it so you can't use a European Diamond to get 3G in the US ever. Likewise, the American Diamond will only have the US bands of 3G (850 and 1900). As for the GSM bands, though, EVERY Diamond has the capability to be quad-band, so you'll at least get EDGE wherever you go. Hope this clears things up.

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The GSM antennas are all in every Diamond, the problem is with the UMTS radio. To keep the Diamonds so small, HTC had to remove the American UMTS radio, making it so you can't use a European Diamond to get 3G in the US ever. Likewise, the American Diamond will only have the US bands of 3G (850 and 1900). As for the GSM bands, though, EVERY Diamond has the capability to be quad-band, so you'll at least get EDGE wherever you go. Hope this clears things up.
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Thanks you really are the first one who makes sense!
Thanks again!

merten3000 said:
Thanks you really are the first one who makes sense!
Thanks again!
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Just wondering if anyone had n update as to the effect of the new radio rom in the touch pro. I understand the US issue was different with a release of GSM only touch pros (Booo Hissss) but would realy like to confirm if we are able to reflash to expand on the UMTS frequencies here in Aus making the touch pro UMTS tri or quad band.
Thanks for all the info in this post too.

I'm wondering if someone has worked out how to get the extra band to work in Australia as well. I am on Next G and my brand new phone simply sucks right now and I'm hoping I don't have to go over to a different carrier when my contract is up. I kinda like Telstra Next G, dare I say it.

its_tricky83 said:
I'm wondering if someone has worked out how to get the extra band to work in Australia as well. I am on Next G and my brand new phone simply sucks right now and I'm hoping I don't have to go over to a different carrier when my contract is up. I kinda like Telstra Next G, dare I say it.
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As far as I know it works fine with an ATT Fuze with a regular touch pro you'll never get NextG on the 850 band, it's a hardware limitation.

[Q] t-mobile on fuze..

Has anyone tried this?? If I were to buy the phone w/o att will they unlock it no problem?
thx

they don't want to unlock it even if you pay full price, but they will give up if you insist long enough to one of their customer service representatives
what I did was to pay full price for the phone and get a new number and sim card with a prepaid plan, after spending my $25 from prepaid minutes I called and explained I no longer wanted their service and had paid full price, eventually they agreed to unlock it by giving me a code.. Insert a simcard from another operator and the screen asking for the code will show up.
3g on t-mobile is not working, but everything else does. At least for me. I'm using the Elite RC1 ROM
I think 3g may work if I replace the radio with one that supports 1700/2100 umts, but I don't know if that even exists

i think when the diamond first came out, it didnt support us 3g and they found a radio that allowed us 3g.
so i dont see why you shouldnt be able to get a radio that works with tmobile 3g

kidnamedAlbert said:
i think when the diamond first came out, it didnt support us 3g and they found a radio that allowed us 3g.
so i dont see why you shouldnt be able to get a radio that works with tmobile 3g
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Nobody's been able to add a 3G band to a HTC device just by flashing the radio ROM AFAIK. When the Diamond came out, people were surprised that it didn't support the 850 MHz band like its predecessor, the Cruise, did. There was a later radio that allowed the Diamond to use the 850 MHz band, but only for GSM/EDGE. To do that, the radio in the device had to physically support the 850 MHz band. No subsequent radios, even the one from the US Diamond (which was identical to an already-released radio ROM) were able to make a Euro Diamond use US 3G. The only HTC-made device I know of that uses T-Mobile's AWS 3G band is the T-Mobile G1.

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Nobody's been able to add a 3G band to a HTC device just by flashing the radio ROM AFAIK. When the Diamond came out, people were surprised that it didn't support the 850 MHz band like its predecessor, the Cruise, did. There was a later radio that allowed the Diamond to use the 850 MHz band, but only for GSM/EDGE. To do that, the radio in the device had to physically support the 850 MHz band. No subsequent radios, even the one from the US Diamond (which was identical to an already-released radio ROM) were able to make a Euro Diamond use US 3G. The only HTC-made device I know of that uses T-Mobile's AWS 3G band is the T-Mobile G1.
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i knew i was probably wrong.
thanks for clarifying on this whole thread.

Fuze Working on ATT
So the radio that's in the FUZE won't work on Tmobile - i don't see the bands that the Gphone has. This really makes me wonder if I really want to switch over to ATT. technically I hate ATT.
It's like signing on to have big brother watch over you.

I have the same problem as you do. And I would switch to AT&T if it wasn't for the early termination fee in my t-mobile contract

i think thats what i am gonna do, unlock the fuze and use on t-mobile's EDGE.
i went to an AT&T store the other day and the guy explained the planes to me!!
to get something comparable to what i have with T-mobile i have to pay $130 a month for AT&T
i have the 3000 minutes regional plan $49 with total unlimited internet + access to t-mobile hotspot for $20
i pay 70 dollars
i'd have to get unlimited from at&t for $100 + $30 for internet
sprint's deal is actually isnt bad at all $99 for unlimited everything ( too bad they use CDMA, i go to the middle east once a year )
PS: work and i home i have access to a very high speed Wi-Fi

the radio will work, but you will only get EDGE speeds at best, not 3G. Tmobile's 3G band is AWS 1700 and the Fuze does not support that.
How bad is that? depends on what you do. I use my old Blackjack on Tmobile, and get about 125 kbps speeds. Enough for basic email, google maps and web browsing (when I am not carrying my Fuze)
TC

I need to know so I can decide>>> orignal pro & FUZE

I keep reading on this forum and websites the last 5 days and I'm getting tired from this. I need someone fulfill me with an answer that will let me decide between the original HTC touch pro and the ATT FUZE.
I know some differences between them like
1. FUZE has not front camera
2. different keyboard layout (I like the orignal more the FUZE)
3. fuze has PTT button extra
4. the cover back on the fuze is shiny like the diamond; the original pro is dark black (which I like more than the shiny one)
5. the big difference between the prices (which is I do not care about)
HOWEVER, my question is if I bought the original unlocked HTC Pro the Europe version or north American (don't know what the difference), will it work in US with AT&T network as good as the Fuze? (I mean with the data connection e.g. 3G, GMS, UTMS, Tri and quad band, etc)
I need someone to help me so I can decide, please...
Thanks in advance..
Bassil

i would assume it'll work in all locations... i bought my tytn2 in kuwait and it works on at&t 3g in the states and tmobile 3g in the states, also worked on 3g in bahrain, qatar, afghanistan and kuwait

I've been thinking of the same thing... The biggest benefit is the big price difference between the Fuze and the Touch Pro for me....
But, I'll be without bloatware from the get-go... And teh rubberized back is a nice feature.
Plus, I think the Touch Pro is packaged with earphones from the start...

jeez... guys it boils down to one thing; the original touch pro DOES NOT work on at&t 3G. everything else is skin deep. if you want 3g on at&t get the fuze

omaralt said:
jeez... guys it boils down to one thing; the original touch pro DOES NOT work on at&t 3G. everything else is skin deep. if you want 3g on at&t get the fuze
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Lol... well that solves my problem! Thanks for the info!

omaralt said:
jeez... guys it boils down to one thing; the original touch pro DOES NOT work on at&t 3G. everything else is skin deep. if you want 3g on at&t get the fuze
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you mean the original HTC pro does not support 3G????

bassil2022 said:
you mean the original HTC pro does not support 3G????
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It does, but it does not have the proper frequency for 3G on At&T network. It will work on at&t edge network. At&t uses the 1900 (850 band in select places)(down)/2100(up) band is how i understand it. So to get 3G speeds you need to be able to pick up both. The rest of the world uses 900(down)/2100(up).

keyboard
does anyone know if the fuze's keyboard can changed to original pro's?
because I don't like the way that ATT organize the buttons in fuze's keyboard. I like the pro's coz its like the laptop's keyboard and of course easier to use and faster.

bassil2022 said:
does anyone know if the fuze's keyboard can changed to original pro's?
because I don't like the way that ATT organize the buttons in fuze's keyboard. I like the pro's coz its like the laptop's keyboard and of course easier to use and faster.
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Thats subjective, I did not like it until I got it in hand and its much better having the symbols around the keys vs the numbers which I dont use often while typing. Especially since I use my thumbs vs my full hand.
There are different roms that have different files for the keyboard, and I believe you can remap some of it...how much I do not know.

The Truth
Here's The Facts The Htc Touch pro unbranded Has no us 3g The Htc Fuse Has us 3g The fuse has no front Camera The Uk Version has a Front Camera If you Dont want the Att Bloatware Crap you Can Flash the HTC unlocked Rom to your Fuse Now you have a Htc UK Version With us 3gb And your keyboard layout will be the Same as The Uk Version As Well Now So you can Turn your Fuse into the Uk Touch pro plus get us 3g And Get the keyboard layout And Save 300 Bucks more For the Same phone....you make the Smart Choice

blakkheartt12 said:
It does, but it does not have the proper frequency for 3G on At&T network. It will work on at&t edge network. At&t uses the 1900 (850 band in select places)(down)/2100(up) band is how i understand it. So to get 3G speeds you need to be able to pick up both. The rest of the world uses 900(down)/2100(up).
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Not really, 3G doesnt depend on two seperated frequency bands for bidirectional data/voice.
Some details of the bands used in the UK HERE, the 2100 band has always been 3G only, 900 for GSM (O2 and Vodafone), 1800 for GSM aswell (Tmobile and Orange).
Generally you only need two specific carriers inside the frequency band allocated to 3G so your mobile would transmit on (for example) 2101.1 MHz and the Base station would transmit on 2121.1 MHz. Its quite a poor use of frequencies to have such a huge gap between the two since you are lowering the bandwidth available on the lower frequency. I believe the gap between the two carrier signals (in terms of frequency) is the guard band??? Ive no idea what sort of bandwidth 3G would actually use overall but i would assume MHz rather than Khz (as with 2G) since we can cram 7.2Mbit down the line now using HSPA.

bassil2022 said:
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4. the cover back on the fuze is shiny like the diamond; the original pro is dark black (which I like more than the shiny one)
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Bassil
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FYI, You can get the Pro back for the Fuze http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=455650

thanx
lulugirl896 said:
FYI, You can get the Pro back for the Fuze http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=455650
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thanks man, you are the best
cover has been solved
keyboard>>>> still under the light (no solution)

nucentury08 said:
Here's The Facts The Htc Touch pro unbranded Has no us 3g The Htc Fuse Has us 3g The fuse has no front Camera The Uk Version has a Front Camera If you Dont want the Att Bloatware Crap you Can Flash the HTC unlocked Rom to your Fuse Now you have a Htc UK Version With us 3gb And your keyboard layout will be the Same as The Uk Version As Well Now So you can Turn your Fuse into the Uk Touch pro plus get us 3g And Get the keyboard layout And Save 300 Bucks more For the Same phone....you make the Smart Choice
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ummmmmmm sir I don't think I understand you. BUT, if you mean the HTC pro UK version uses 3G same as the AT&T frequency uses, you are wrong. I checked htc.com/UK and I didn't find one. Also, I checked the network coverage that UK use is 2100 for the 3G....
>>> here you go http://www.gsmarena.com/network-bands.php3?sCountry=UNITED+KINGDOM

I dont use data, so i could care less about the 3g. I would be happy to trade my fuze for a touch pro if anybody cares too, although the actual trade would be the hard part.

Is htc mad at At&t?

I am only asking cause i don't see any of the new phones hitting at&t as in not UMTS 850 or UMTS 1900. look on pdadb.net it will list all of the new phones coming out not one from htc supports either one of those bands.... am i going to have to switch over to a steve blow jobs phone. Please someone tell me something i don't know.

They never support it on international versions. They always have a separate US version (when they don't skip the US market entirely, like the Touch HD) with those bands supported.
The Touch Pro 2 and Touch Diamond 2 are coming out in the US, and the TP2 is already confirmed as being on T-Mobile, so let's hope it gets announced for AT&T as well, or at least shows up on T-Mobile unlocked.

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They never support it on international versions. They always have a separate US version (when they don't skip the US market entirely, like the Touch HD) with those bands supported.
The Touch Pro 2 and Touch Diamond 2 are coming out in the US, and the TP2 is already confirmed as being on T-Mobile, so let's hope it gets announced for AT&T as well, or at least shows up on T-Mobile unlocked.
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they supported it on the htc x7500 and the 8125, 8525, 8925, fuze but no more. i think at&t got a big head with the Iphone and doesn't want to deal with htc so htc said fu*k at&t and thus no longer support UMTS850, UMTS1900

Well I'm looking forward to HTC sending some ppc's to T-Mobile, since it's been a very very long 3G wait!

galaxys said:
Well I'm looking forward to HTC sending some ppc's to T-Mobile, since it's been a very very long 3G wait!
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yes but thats t-mobiles fault for taking sooooooo long to launch there 3g

irus said:
they supported it on the htc x7500 and the 8125, 8525, 8925, fuze but no more. i think at&t got a big head with the Iphone and doesn't want to deal with htc so htc said fu*k at&t and thus no longer support UMTS850, UMTS1900
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They still support it, as I said. It's just a matter of "international version" vs "US version."
It's likely to protect T-Mobile, AT&T, and whichever Canadian providers use GSM, so less people will import the unbranded international version before they have a chance to release their branded versions.
Since carrier locking can easily be circumvented legally, the only real way to block imports is to not support 3g frequencies in the US. Most people aren't willing to pay $800 for a phone that doesn't support 3g in a lot of places (like the Xperia X1i, which only connects in 3g in about 2/3 of AT&T's coverage area and none of T-Mobile's), or no places (like current HTC phones, which are 2100MHz only).

[Q] HTC sensation for Canada ?

Any info on when this might released in canada.
I am on ATT and I feel terrible that another great handset is going to T mobile and F**** att is not interested. Carriers in Canada like rogers and telus have the same band for ATT.
( But again no 4G )
So curious to know if canada is getting one.

Just letting you know that Telus AND Bell use a 4G network (HSPA+)
The DHD actually came out on what was considered a 3G+ network, with DL speeds up to 14 Mb/s, which is really the American 4G standard. With Telus' LTE coming in soon, you can expect DL speeds up to 75 Mb/s... So yeah, canadians don't really lag behind in that aspect!
As for the phone coming out here, Bell and Telus are big fans of HTC, and Bell even launched the Incredible S! So I'd say the chances are pretty good for it to come out here... Only thing is that if it comes to Telus, it might take a few months, as they tend to take their time with phone launches, and Rogers is just a Sony fan...

is Telus received the HTC Deasire HD and the first Desire look to see the Sensation on Telus as well but Telus has issues with taking to long to release phones but dont be suprised to see the phone with bell as well since the Atrix was a hit and miss

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Just letting you know that Telus AND Bell use a 4G network (HSPA+)
The DHD actually came out on what was considered a 3G+ network, with DL speeds up to 14 Mb/s, which is really the American 4G standard. With Telus' LTE coming in soon, you can expect DL speeds up to 75 Mb/s... So yeah, canadians don't really lag behind in that aspect!
As for the phone coming out here, Bell and Telus are big fans of HTC, and Bell even launched the Incredible S! So I'd say the chances are pretty good for it to come out here... Only thing is that if it comes to Telus, it might take a few months, as they tend to take their time with phone launches, and Rogers is just a Sony fan...
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I dint mean to say that US was ahead in terms of 4G. I thought the band for 4G was different between the networks. However its really good to know they are the same. Will be jumping to get hold of sensation when its released in canada.
Now have to find out someone to ship me one

TheSobadef said:
Just letting you know that Telus AND Bell use a 4G network (HSPA+)
The DHD actually came out on what was considered a 3G+ network, with DL speeds up to 14 Mb/s, which is really the American 4G standard. With Telus' LTE coming in soon, you can expect DL speeds up to 75 Mb/s... So yeah, canadians don't really lag behind in that aspect!
As for the phone coming out here, Bell and Telus are big fans of HTC, and Bell even launched the Incredible S! So I'd say the chances are pretty good for it to come out here... Only thing is that if it comes to Telus, it might take a few months, as they tend to take their time with phone launches, and Rogers is just a Sony fan...
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Rogers uses the same type of HSPA+ network as well.. I really wish they wouldn't call it 4g though.

Having been on both sides , I miss the net speeds in Canada.
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Is this phone going to work properly on rogers?
I've read that on rogers its only going to get 2G speeds...
I've been waiting for rogers to get a good phone for almost a year now, I'm going to leave if they don't get any good phones soon.

Rogers, Bell and Telus use 1900MHz for 3G.
The Sensation uses 1700MHz.
If you want a carrier that's compatible with the Sensation, you need Mobilicity (ME!) or Wind.

I think htc will release one with a compatible band

Thracks said:
Rogers, Bell and Telus use 1900MHz for 3G.
The Sensation uses 1700MHz.
If you want a carrier that's compatible with the Sensation, you need Mobilicity (ME!) or Wind.
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The G2 was released with T-Mobile bands, then later released with support for 1900 as the Desire Z. I'm returning my Nexus S and am going to stick with the Nexus One for the time being - I really hope this model makes it to Telus. There's nothing about it that I'd change other than maybe a bigger battery. Sense is tolerable.

Thracks said:
Rogers, Bell and Telus use 1900MHz for 3G.
The Sensation uses 1700MHz.
If you want a carrier that's compatible with the Sensation, you need Mobilicity (ME!) or Wind.
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Actually,
Rogers, Telus and Bell use 850/1900 for 3G, and many phones with just the 850 UMTS frequency work on these networks (i.e. The Australian HTC HD2)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_UMTS_networks

Thracks said:
Rogers, Bell and Telus use 1900MHz for 3G.
The Sensation uses 1700MHz.
If you want a carrier that's compatible with the Sensation, you need Mobilicity (ME!) or Wind.
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The sensation only uses 1700 in the US for T-Mobile. But who cares about 1700? No one ****ing uses that band. 2100 is what's used worldwide, and that's the sensation the world will get. What we're wondering is when a 850/1900 Sensation will hit.
As an AT&T customer, I'm not even counting on AT&T to get it, nor do I care if they get the phone. I don't want to be thrown on their smartphone data plan anyway. I like importing phones and slapping a SIM in so I can keep going on the $15/plan
Anyway, so if Canada carries the Sensation, that means it will come in 850/1900 flavors.

Even if u have a smartphone u can still use the 15$ plan

drgopoos said:
Even if u have a smartphone u can still use the 15$ plan
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If you use a non carrier smartphone you can get away with it. AT&T's not gonna make a huge list of all the smartphones in the world and blacklist them from the $15 plan.
They did it for the N1 but taht's because it was sold in the US targetted @ AT&T customers with the 850/1900 bands.
They can only really control the phones they sell to make sure that if you want data with their phones, if it's a smartphone you will be on the $30 plan. Suck it ATT.

dmo580 said:
if it's a smartphone you will be on the $30 plan. Suck it ATT.
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This is no longer valid.
Att has changed the rules now. Even if u have a smartphone u can have the 15$ plan.
My wife has iphone and she is on 15$ plan

drgopoos said:
This is no longer valid.
Att has changed the rules now. Even if u have a smartphone u can have the 15$ plan.
My wife has iphone and she is on 15$ plan
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Well AT&T is rather nice to you. Up here in Canada, Rogers (AT&T's counterpart in Canada) forces you into a minimum $45 Data Plan if you upgrade from a normal phone to a smartphone. Negotiations never seem to work unless you're extremely lucky, or know someone in the business.
On the topic of the Sensation coming to Canada, I have my doubts on Rogers getting it. They haven't supported many HTC devices in the past, and I doubt they will now. Rogers always carries Samsung and LG, with the occasional Sony Ericsson device.
I'd be willing to put money on Telus and/or Bell getting the Sensation, while Rogers probably taking the Galaxy S II.

If the phone comes out on telus or bell ill still be happy, since telus/bell/rogers all use the same 3G bands now.

Actually in Canada, for BlackBerry you need a minimum of $40 V&D, but for any other smartphone, it's $50... That said, I hear in the US V&D plans can go as high as $100 (here too, but they're the exception, not the norm). Unfortunately though, around these parts most plans don't come with more than 1GB of data.
One of the benefits of our plans though, is that download speeds destroy US speeds. LTE here is 125 Mb/s vs the 14 Mb/s you guys get. For us 14 Mb/s is considered regular HSPA+ (3G+).
As a Bestbuy mobile rep though, I get a fair plan for myself ($35 all incl) for my V&D plan that gives me all the add-ons i need (unlimited txt, Caller ID, VM, early nights) + 200 min and 1 GB data. Pretty good if you ask me
As a Telus customer though, and back on topic, whichever new phone to come out first to Bell or Telus (Sensation or S2), will be the one I buy. I'm hoping both will launch this summer, but I don't really feel like leaving Telus unless I have to...

I am hoping that the sensation gets a GSM release. Being it supports the MAP bluetooth profile, i would like to get a Android phone for my Focus to work with the My ford touch system. There are no android phones in canada that i know of that work with that profile.
When is the glaxy s2 supposed to be released in canada?

ive been with every big phone supplier 4 at least afew weeks and htc is the only 1 im interested in. the galaxy s could be a great phone but they dont give you enough great features. if samsung had its own "friendstream" style social widget, it woyuld compete. but after flahsing sense 3.0 on my desire hd, ill never go back to plain android. every company's UI look sboring in comparision to sense 3.0. only flaw with htc right now is psx4droid doesnt work on the updated sense ui. oncenthat is fixed, this is easily the best brand phone