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OK - So does this work on Next G

Alright, I know this has probably been covered some where, and I know that this is a "world wide site", and I know this is all going to sound stupid given the answer is in my own post, but a question:
I am really liking the look of this phone, and I want to get one (when ever it comes out), but in Australia, our largest HSDPA network is Telstra NextG, which is 850 band. Looking at the specifications for the machine (this site had everything well laid out):
http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_touch_pro-2413.php
It states the European/Asian version will be HSDPA 900/2100. So I am going to guess that I can not use it on the Next G network with this version of the phone. Correct?
Also, the site states that the Americas (US) version is 850/1900.
So, I assume I have to get a phone from the US to use it on Telstra's Next G. Is this correct, or is there some other quirk that I do not know (like some CDMA difference or something)?
Thank you for homouring me

Correct, the NextG network will not work on this phone at present. Also correct, it will work on the US version. Here's the nice part though...
One of our members was nice enough to leak a version of the new AT&T ROM for the upcoming Raphael in the US, and since the hardware is all the same, HOPEFULLY flashing with that ROM will enable the 850mhz HSDPA band you and I both need. I'll be testing this on a Raphael when it releases in Europe, and I'll have a post up very quickly in this section letting people know how it went. If it works, you can buy any version and flash it (only takes 5 mins) for it to work in AUS.
Edit: Don't listen to GSMArena, HTC lists this phone as quad-band although they say it's tri-band.

Cheers and Beers
Black93300ZX said:
Correct, the NextG network will not work on this phone at present. Also correct, it will work on the US version. Here's the nice part though...
One of our members was nice enough to leak a version of the new AT&T ROM for the upcoming Raphael in the US, and since the hardware is all the same, HOPEFULLY flashing with that ROM will enable the 850mhz HSDPA band you and I both need. I'll be testing this on a Raphael when it releases in Europe, and I'll have a post up very quickly in this section letting people know how it went. If it works, you can buy any version and flash it (only takes 5 mins) for it to work in AUS.
Edit: Don't listen to GSMArena, HTC lists this phone as quad-band although they say it's tri-band.
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The above sounds good. I really do not want to go down the road of a Telstra locked phone (not that Telstra will release this one). I await your tests with anticipation.
Cheers and beers

Yeah, well, I figure if it doesn't work (hoping it doesn't brick it) I'll just resell it for like $25 less and it's not much of a loss for trying.

I don't know much about Australian telephone networks, but I've always wanted to go there and see what it feels like to be upside down all the time.

TheBundo said:
I don't know much about Australian telephone networks, but I've always wanted to go there and see what it feels like to be upside down all the time.
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Haha, seems like one of the nicest vacation spots in the world. Can't wait to go there someday.

Here is a photo of the Australian system:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/jeffwerner/278050267/

The Australian networks arent too bad. We have a choice of frequencies here. Telstra have the 850mhz 3G band and Optus and Vodafone are each expanding their exisiting 2100 3G network using 900mhz which will be launched over the next few months. The good thing about Raphael is that it will work on the 2100 and 900 3G bands and given that Telstra's voice and data plans are ridiculous many of those who want to use data on it wont care about the absence of 850...this is good news. However if the device can be flashed to work for everyone...even better.
As for the photo of the Australian networks that was a network similar to what I built in Sydney in the early 80's. A large carrier paid me a small fortune to decommision it as it was making them look bad!!

I'm also in Australia and plan to get this phone from one of the UK stores as I can't wait for 3 odd months for it to be released here. Now I'm sure there might be a few aussies here who have ordered from online stores outside Aus. What I wanna know is if I might have to pay any import duty on my purchase? If I buy from expansys uk, the unit will cost me roughly AU$920, but with bank fees and shipping charges, I would have paid $1010. I know that import duties are applicable if the cost of the unit is $1000. So does this count for me as well?
I just want to avoid paying more that I should.

However, I need Next G
Thanks all for your input on this. I was pretty sure that the phone would not work on the NExt G nextwork if I bought one (from say an internet dealer in Sydney or Melbourne), but as you can see from my "location", I need Next G. There is not 3G nextwork in the Top End except Telstra Next G (Or at least none that cover all of Darwin and its area adequately. Anyway I don't knock Telstra too much).
Further to that, I work away a lot and once again, Next G is OK (note I only said OK) for outside of major cities, and Telstra GSM is good for most rural townships also.
Anyway, I suppose my upgrade will be to a TyTN II to replace my old phone, at least it has the 850 band that I need for Next G.
Cheers and beers

Black93300ZX said:
Edit: Don't listen to GSMArena, HTC lists this phone as quad-band although they say it's tri-band.
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Not entirely true...see this post

merten3000 said:
Not entirely true...see this post
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The Diamonds were listed as Tri-Band too, but now every Diamond is quad-band since they came out with the newer ROM. Same with the Touch Pro, some ROMs (apparently that nation's) don't support quad-band, but in time (or with a quick reflash) they will.

Black93300ZX said:
The Diamonds were listed as Tri-Band too, but now every Diamond is quad-band since they came out with the newer ROM. Same with the Touch Pro, some ROMs (apparently that nation's) don't support quad-band, but in time (or with a quick reflash) they will.
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Thnx finally some clarification...
But still strange that our countries HTC would not enable that bandwith. They state it's a business phone. But business often means travelling arround the globe. Quadband would then be preffered above tri-band....
But black you know for sure the bandwith can be activated by just software? Some people say you need a different antenna. (I'm a noob in that area...).
Thnx anyway!

merten3000 said:
Thnx finally some clarification...
But still strange that our countries HTC would not enable that bandwith. They state it's a business phone. But business often means travelling arround the globe. Quadband would then be preffered above tri-band....
But black you know for sure the bandwith can be activated by just software? Some people say you need a different antenna. (I'm a noob in that area...).
Thnx anyway!
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The GSM antennas are all in every Diamond, the problem is with the UMTS radio. To keep the Diamonds so small, HTC had to remove the American UMTS radio, making it so you can't use a European Diamond to get 3G in the US ever. Likewise, the American Diamond will only have the US bands of 3G (850 and 1900). As for the GSM bands, though, EVERY Diamond has the capability to be quad-band, so you'll at least get EDGE wherever you go. Hope this clears things up.

Black93300ZX said:
The GSM antennas are all in every Diamond, the problem is with the UMTS radio. To keep the Diamonds so small, HTC had to remove the American UMTS radio, making it so you can't use a European Diamond to get 3G in the US ever. Likewise, the American Diamond will only have the US bands of 3G (850 and 1900). As for the GSM bands, though, EVERY Diamond has the capability to be quad-band, so you'll at least get EDGE wherever you go. Hope this clears things up.
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Thanks you really are the first one who makes sense!
Thanks again!

merten3000 said:
Thanks you really are the first one who makes sense!
Thanks again!
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Just wondering if anyone had n update as to the effect of the new radio rom in the touch pro. I understand the US issue was different with a release of GSM only touch pros (Booo Hissss) but would realy like to confirm if we are able to reflash to expand on the UMTS frequencies here in Aus making the touch pro UMTS tri or quad band.
Thanks for all the info in this post too.

I'm wondering if someone has worked out how to get the extra band to work in Australia as well. I am on Next G and my brand new phone simply sucks right now and I'm hoping I don't have to go over to a different carrier when my contract is up. I kinda like Telstra Next G, dare I say it.

its_tricky83 said:
I'm wondering if someone has worked out how to get the extra band to work in Australia as well. I am on Next G and my brand new phone simply sucks right now and I'm hoping I don't have to go over to a different carrier when my contract is up. I kinda like Telstra Next G, dare I say it.
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As far as I know it works fine with an ATT Fuze with a regular touch pro you'll never get NextG on the 850 band, it's a hardware limitation.

new touch pro on at&t?

will the new touch pro from devicewire in the uk work on at&t's 3g network? thanks

wordsworth03 said:
will the new touch pro from devicewire in the uk work on at&t's 3g network? thanks
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No, 900/2100mhz UMTS, AT&T uses 850/1900mhz.

wordsworth03 said:
will the new touch pro from devicewire in the uk work on at&t's 3g network? thanks
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Well, that's the million dollar question, isn't it? Many of us are waiting to find out the answer. The AT&T ROM which has already been released on this site should enable access to UMTS 850/1900 bands which AT&T uses. The question is does this phone have the hardware to support this or will the US version have different hardware to access these bands. The answer to this question should be revealed in the next day or two as UK versions of this phone start showing up on US doorsteps including mine.

great, thanks for the response...please keep us updated! i want to pull the trigger very badly on one of these and i have very little patience!

I know it sounds stupid but why go through the trouble of purposefully crippling the european version? I dunno it just sounds weird to me, and more like their deal with att ( att doesnt want tons of these being imported before they release their version ) is causing this lack of U.S. UMTS via firmware.

Well the Diamonds over there can't get UMTS because they don't have the 850/1900 UMTS radio, the hardware was removed to make it smaller. We're hoping the Raphael has the same hardware, but you never know if that's the case.

let's just hope they don't name it something stupid,I don't know how well the sugar trick would work on the surface of the Touch Pro to remove any stupid branding att puts on the phone. ATT manages to make HTC's sexy into slight trailer trash every time.

migsims said:
let's just hope they don't name it something stupid,I don't know how well the sugar trick would work on the surface of the Touch Pro to remove any stupid branding att puts on the phone. ATT manages to make HTC's sexy into slight trailer trash every time.
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AT&T Fusion is what we're hearing.

I just spoke to HTC tech support, the guy said that there is a touch pro version in Hong Kong that works on the UMTS 850, which would mean that it would work on ATT 3G here in the US, he gave me a number for the HTC kiosk in Beijing (they have a tech support location there during the Olympics for HTC customers visiting) the number he gave me is 400-700-7011, its in china i haven't been able to get through. He also said there is a ROM upgrade for the Hong Kong version that would enable 3G on the 850 band. I am just as confused as I was before I called.

gatordent said:
I just spoke to HTC tech support, the guy said that there is a touch pro version in Hong Kong that works on the UMTS 850, which would mean that it would work on ATT 3G here in the US, he gave me a number for the HTC kiosk in Beijing (they have a tech support location there during the Olympics for HTC customers visiting) the number he gave me is 400-700-7011, its in china i haven't been able to get through. He also said there is a ROM upgrade for the Hong Kong version that would enable 3G on the 850 band. I am just as confused as I was before I called.
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That's the 850 GSM, not UMTS. Yes, this has been covered with the Diamond, a ROM update enabled the 850mhz GSM band for it to be quad-band.

Black93300ZX said:
That's the 850 GSM, not UMTS. Yes, this has been covered with the Diamond, a ROM update enabled the 850mhz GSM band for it to be quad-band.
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The tech made it sound like it was a different Hardware version, he may not know what he is talking about, but i was able to contact the people in China (through skype) but they were not helpful. She gave me the HTC Hong Kong number I'll try them later. Hopefully we can rule out the fact that there might be hardware differences.

gatordent said:
The tech made it sound like it was a different Hardware version, he may not know what he is talking about, but i was able to contact the people in China (through skype) but they were not helpful. She gave me the HTC Hong Kong number I'll try them later. Hopefully we can rule out the fact that there might be hardware differences.
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Well if you can find anything with the hardware ID of RAPH110, I can personally guarantee it has the hardware to run on AT&T 3G. Other than that, we'll see within the next few days as people will be getting and testing RAPH100's with the AT&T ROM.

bersca said:
Well, that's the million dollar question, isn't it? Many of us are waiting to find out the answer. The AT&T ROM which has already been released on this site should enable access to UMTS 850/1900 bands which AT&T uses. The question is does this phone have the hardware to support this or will the US version have different hardware to access these bands. The answer to this question should be revealed in the next day or two as UK versions of this phone start showing up on US doorsteps including mine.
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We are just in progress to buy the Raphael or tp wait for the Xperia. We are travelling to Europe and Asia,but live in the US. As a result we want the UMTS working on 850, 1900 and 2100. Can you figure out if this is a hardware issue or a ROM update. I tseems the Xperia can do it, but we dont like to wait much longer and would like to go with Raphael but the UMTS is a working issue....

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We are just in progress to buy the Raphael or tp wait for the Xperia. We are travelling to Europe and Asia,but live in the US. As a result we want the UMTS working on 850, 1900 and 2100. Can you figure out if this is a hardware issue or a ROM update. I tseems the Xperia can do it, but we dont like to wait much longer and would like to go with Raphael but the UMTS is a working issue....
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This has been said many times, AT THIS TIME, NO ONE CAN GUARANTEE. In the next few days it will be tested, keep an eye out on the forum.

New phone selection

Hi guys, I recently acquired an HTC Wizard, I unlocked it and flashed a custom rom and I really like the phone but I'm looking to upgrade. The phones I've been looking at are the Dream, Kaiser and the Fuze. I've read the reviews on the G1 and it looks good but I'm not sure I'm ready to give up windows mobile (office is handy for work). But since I hear such good things, hows it compare to the others? Is the Fuze really worth me shelling out more cash over the Kaiser (about $150-$200 on ebay)? I'm also wondering if there are any other HTC models that offer everything I want without seriously breaking the bank. It needs to have mp3, video, net, keyboard, GPS, 3g, wifi, tetherable, touchscreen and needs to be unlockable or T-mobile based. Basically just looking for some advice on the best buy for my buck. Even if it's not necessarily an HTC (hope I don't get flamed for this =P). Also one more quick question, if I'm currently on T-mobile with the non 3g wizard and I pop my sim into a 3g phone, it will work at 3g speeds without me needing to do anything (provided coverage is in my area) ? Thanks in advance.

I miss my Fuze. I ended up returning it to get a Xperia, and I regret it, due to the Xperia's subpar keyboard.
On the other hand, the Touch Pro 2 will be out soon in the US (as the HTC Fortress on AT&T at an indeterminate date and the T-Mobile Wing II in July), and that should be everything the Fuze is and more (thinner, better battery life, larger and higher res screen, etc). I'd wait for that.
As for the sim swap question, yes, it should work, assuming the phone you pop your T-Mobile sim in supports 3G at 850MHz, as that's the only frequency T-Mobile uses for 3G (as opposed to AT&T, which uses 850 and 1900 depending on area). If you use a Euro phone, expect it to only work in 1900MHz areas in the US if at all. Phones actually marketed for the US will support both 850 and 1900 bands, which means you won't have a problem.

Thanks for the info. Any idea on the cost of the touch pro 2? I wasn't really looking to break the bank but I am intrigued.

Snakebear420 said:
Thanks for the info. Any idea on the cost of the touch pro 2? I wasn't really looking to break the bank but I am intrigued.
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Welcome to the forum
Depending on your conuntry the price varies
Have a look on expansys to ha an idea
$600-$800USD

That's without a contract, of course. AT&T and T-Mobile should both have the Touch Pro 2 for $150-300 depending on where you order it with plans, if my guess is accurate.

Yea just checked out a video on it and it looks really nice, I'm currently on a prepaid month to month thingy with t-mobile but if I can score this phone for $200 or so with a new contract I might have too. However for the time being I might have to go pick up a Kaiser, they are half the price of the fuze used and although not as sexy still do everything I'm looking for.

Doesn't T-mobile use 1700mhz for 3g and 850 for edge/gprs? From what I've been reading the kaiser wont do 3g on T-mobile.

Snakebear420 said:
Doesn't T-mobile use 1700mhz for 3g and 850 for edge/gprs? From what I've been reading the kaiser wont do 3g on T-mobile.
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Tmob uses 1700 & 2100 fro 3g (must have both)! Kaeser will not do tmob 3g!
Tmob edge uses 850...
Here's the TP2 new owner excitement forum section:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=488

Gsm or not?

I want to buy this phone on ebay but I have a couple of questions.
I live in CHile so I need the quadband gsm vercion.
1) Can anyone tell me what carries use this? just to make shure, I cant exacly take the sellers word. For example I say a nextel for 300 bucks (about). The seller clames it works world wide.
2) Is the unlock software available already?
Sorry found it!
3) is the fuze and the raphael the same phone? I have seen some that look very diffrent, are they exacly the same just different color. What really looks different is the keyboard.
Thanks

fernandosaez said:
3) is the fuze and the raphael the same phone?
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They are the same phone. There are GSM and CDMA versions of this phone.

rmcknight said:
They are the same phone. There are GSM and CDMA versions of this phone.
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Just to clear something up,
FUZE = GSM this version of the phone released by ATT on their US GSM network (only North American 3g version)
RAPHAEL = TOUCH PRO (both GSM and CDMA)
You will want to find out what frequencies your carrier uses for GSM and 3G (they will tell you, or look it up) and get the Raphael that suits your needs
Currently in the GSM iteration there is the FUZE, which works with North American 3G and the Touch Pro which will work with Euro/Asian 3G.
If you post your ebay link (or PM me or somebody) we can tell you for sure

thanks...much clearer! Searching..searching

[Q] HD2 international or HD2 T-MOBILE

I really love HD2 . so i decideD to buy it
but i dont know what should i choose..between HD2 INTER vs HD2 T-MOBILE
Because HD2 inter seem more stable than T-mobile ? But T-mobile has 576 RAM + 1GB ROM
Plz help the best choice
THANKS ALOT

MrBeOTP2 said:
I really love HD2 . so i decideD to buy it
but i dont know what should i choose..between HD2 INTER vs HD2 T-MOBILE
Because HD2 inter seem more stable than T-mobile ? But T-mobile has 576 RAM + 1GB ROM
Plz help the best choice
THANKS ALOT
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Hi,
To be honest, it depends on a few things. First of all, the carrier you're on and if you use 3G... I live in Canada and use Rogers, so I had to purchase a Telstra HD2 to get the 850mhz 3G band, as the TMOUS version does not have the proper bands to run 3G on my network. Alot of people go for the T-Mobile if 3G support isn't an issue because of the extra ROM/RAM and because you can find one on ebay or online for 200-300$ US as opposed to other editions like the Telstra which goes for 500 to 800$ US. Otherwise, as far as I know, they're pretty much the same phone!
If you're not sure which 3G bands your carrier uses, just google "3G band (carrier name)"
Good luck with your new purchase!

karendar said:
Hi,
To be honest, it depends on a few things. First of all, the carrier you're on and if you use 3G... I live in Canada and use Rogers, so I had to purchase a Telstra HD2 to get the 850mhz 3G band, as the TMOUS version does not have the proper bands to run 3G on my network. Alot of people go for the T-Mobile if 3G support isn't an issue because of the extra ROM/RAM and because you can find one on ebay or online for 200-300$ US as opposed to other editions like the Telstra which goes for 500 to 800$ US. Otherwise, as far as I know, they're pretty much the same phone!
If you're not sure which 3G bands your carrier uses, just google "3G band (carrier name)"
Good luck with your new purchase!
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Any advise

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The ROM size is a nonissue in my mind (unless you have a metric ****load of apps). The RAM is unlockable on the international version. So, I would get whichever is compatible with your carriers 3g band.

^^~. I think i should choose HD2 inter