Alright, I know this has probably been covered some where, and I know that this is a "world wide site", and I know this is all going to sound stupid given the answer is in my own post, but a question:
I am really liking the look of this phone, and I want to get one (when ever it comes out), but in Australia, our largest HSDPA network is Telstra NextG, which is 850 band. Looking at the specifications for the machine (this site had everything well laid out):
http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_touch_pro-2413.php
It states the European/Asian version will be HSDPA 900/2100. So I am going to guess that I can not use it on the Next G network with this version of the phone. Correct?
Also, the site states that the Americas (US) version is 850/1900.
So, I assume I have to get a phone from the US to use it on Telstra's Next G. Is this correct, or is there some other quirk that I do not know (like some CDMA difference or something)?
Thank you for homouring me
Correct, the NextG network will not work on this phone at present. Also correct, it will work on the US version. Here's the nice part though...
One of our members was nice enough to leak a version of the new AT&T ROM for the upcoming Raphael in the US, and since the hardware is all the same, HOPEFULLY flashing with that ROM will enable the 850mhz HSDPA band you and I both need. I'll be testing this on a Raphael when it releases in Europe, and I'll have a post up very quickly in this section letting people know how it went. If it works, you can buy any version and flash it (only takes 5 mins) for it to work in AUS.
Edit: Don't listen to GSMArena, HTC lists this phone as quad-band although they say it's tri-band.
Cheers and Beers
Black93300ZX said:
Correct, the NextG network will not work on this phone at present. Also correct, it will work on the US version. Here's the nice part though...
One of our members was nice enough to leak a version of the new AT&T ROM for the upcoming Raphael in the US, and since the hardware is all the same, HOPEFULLY flashing with that ROM will enable the 850mhz HSDPA band you and I both need. I'll be testing this on a Raphael when it releases in Europe, and I'll have a post up very quickly in this section letting people know how it went. If it works, you can buy any version and flash it (only takes 5 mins) for it to work in AUS.
Edit: Don't listen to GSMArena, HTC lists this phone as quad-band although they say it's tri-band.
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The above sounds good. I really do not want to go down the road of a Telstra locked phone (not that Telstra will release this one). I await your tests with anticipation.
Cheers and beers
Yeah, well, I figure if it doesn't work (hoping it doesn't brick it) I'll just resell it for like $25 less and it's not much of a loss for trying.
I don't know much about Australian telephone networks, but I've always wanted to go there and see what it feels like to be upside down all the time.
TheBundo said:
I don't know much about Australian telephone networks, but I've always wanted to go there and see what it feels like to be upside down all the time.
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Haha, seems like one of the nicest vacation spots in the world. Can't wait to go there someday.
Here is a photo of the Australian system:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/jeffwerner/278050267/
The Australian networks arent too bad. We have a choice of frequencies here. Telstra have the 850mhz 3G band and Optus and Vodafone are each expanding their exisiting 2100 3G network using 900mhz which will be launched over the next few months. The good thing about Raphael is that it will work on the 2100 and 900 3G bands and given that Telstra's voice and data plans are ridiculous many of those who want to use data on it wont care about the absence of 850...this is good news. However if the device can be flashed to work for everyone...even better.
As for the photo of the Australian networks that was a network similar to what I built in Sydney in the early 80's. A large carrier paid me a small fortune to decommision it as it was making them look bad!!
I'm also in Australia and plan to get this phone from one of the UK stores as I can't wait for 3 odd months for it to be released here. Now I'm sure there might be a few aussies here who have ordered from online stores outside Aus. What I wanna know is if I might have to pay any import duty on my purchase? If I buy from expansys uk, the unit will cost me roughly AU$920, but with bank fees and shipping charges, I would have paid $1010. I know that import duties are applicable if the cost of the unit is $1000. So does this count for me as well?
I just want to avoid paying more that I should.
However, I need Next G
Thanks all for your input on this. I was pretty sure that the phone would not work on the NExt G nextwork if I bought one (from say an internet dealer in Sydney or Melbourne), but as you can see from my "location", I need Next G. There is not 3G nextwork in the Top End except Telstra Next G (Or at least none that cover all of Darwin and its area adequately. Anyway I don't knock Telstra too much).
Further to that, I work away a lot and once again, Next G is OK (note I only said OK) for outside of major cities, and Telstra GSM is good for most rural townships also.
Anyway, I suppose my upgrade will be to a TyTN II to replace my old phone, at least it has the 850 band that I need for Next G.
Cheers and beers
Black93300ZX said:
Edit: Don't listen to GSMArena, HTC lists this phone as quad-band although they say it's tri-band.
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Not entirely true...see this post
merten3000 said:
Not entirely true...see this post
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The Diamonds were listed as Tri-Band too, but now every Diamond is quad-band since they came out with the newer ROM. Same with the Touch Pro, some ROMs (apparently that nation's) don't support quad-band, but in time (or with a quick reflash) they will.
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The Diamonds were listed as Tri-Band too, but now every Diamond is quad-band since they came out with the newer ROM. Same with the Touch Pro, some ROMs (apparently that nation's) don't support quad-band, but in time (or with a quick reflash) they will.
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Thnx finally some clarification...
But still strange that our countries HTC would not enable that bandwith. They state it's a business phone. But business often means travelling arround the globe. Quadband would then be preffered above tri-band....
But black you know for sure the bandwith can be activated by just software? Some people say you need a different antenna. (I'm a noob in that area...).
Thnx anyway!
merten3000 said:
Thnx finally some clarification...
But still strange that our countries HTC would not enable that bandwith. They state it's a business phone. But business often means travelling arround the globe. Quadband would then be preffered above tri-band....
But black you know for sure the bandwith can be activated by just software? Some people say you need a different antenna. (I'm a noob in that area...).
Thnx anyway!
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The GSM antennas are all in every Diamond, the problem is with the UMTS radio. To keep the Diamonds so small, HTC had to remove the American UMTS radio, making it so you can't use a European Diamond to get 3G in the US ever. Likewise, the American Diamond will only have the US bands of 3G (850 and 1900). As for the GSM bands, though, EVERY Diamond has the capability to be quad-band, so you'll at least get EDGE wherever you go. Hope this clears things up.
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The GSM antennas are all in every Diamond, the problem is with the UMTS radio. To keep the Diamonds so small, HTC had to remove the American UMTS radio, making it so you can't use a European Diamond to get 3G in the US ever. Likewise, the American Diamond will only have the US bands of 3G (850 and 1900). As for the GSM bands, though, EVERY Diamond has the capability to be quad-band, so you'll at least get EDGE wherever you go. Hope this clears things up.
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Thanks you really are the first one who makes sense!
Thanks again!
merten3000 said:
Thanks you really are the first one who makes sense!
Thanks again!
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Just wondering if anyone had n update as to the effect of the new radio rom in the touch pro. I understand the US issue was different with a release of GSM only touch pros (Booo Hissss) but would realy like to confirm if we are able to reflash to expand on the UMTS frequencies here in Aus making the touch pro UMTS tri or quad band.
Thanks for all the info in this post too.
I'm wondering if someone has worked out how to get the extra band to work in Australia as well. I am on Next G and my brand new phone simply sucks right now and I'm hoping I don't have to go over to a different carrier when my contract is up. I kinda like Telstra Next G, dare I say it.
its_tricky83 said:
I'm wondering if someone has worked out how to get the extra band to work in Australia as well. I am on Next G and my brand new phone simply sucks right now and I'm hoping I don't have to go over to a different carrier when my contract is up. I kinda like Telstra Next G, dare I say it.
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As far as I know it works fine with an ATT Fuze with a regular touch pro you'll never get NextG on the 850 band, it's a hardware limitation.
Hi guys, I recently acquired an HTC Wizard, I unlocked it and flashed a custom rom and I really like the phone but I'm looking to upgrade. The phones I've been looking at are the Dream, Kaiser and the Fuze. I've read the reviews on the G1 and it looks good but I'm not sure I'm ready to give up windows mobile (office is handy for work). But since I hear such good things, hows it compare to the others? Is the Fuze really worth me shelling out more cash over the Kaiser (about $150-$200 on ebay)? I'm also wondering if there are any other HTC models that offer everything I want without seriously breaking the bank. It needs to have mp3, video, net, keyboard, GPS, 3g, wifi, tetherable, touchscreen and needs to be unlockable or T-mobile based. Basically just looking for some advice on the best buy for my buck. Even if it's not necessarily an HTC (hope I don't get flamed for this =P). Also one more quick question, if I'm currently on T-mobile with the non 3g wizard and I pop my sim into a 3g phone, it will work at 3g speeds without me needing to do anything (provided coverage is in my area) ? Thanks in advance.
I miss my Fuze. I ended up returning it to get a Xperia, and I regret it, due to the Xperia's subpar keyboard.
On the other hand, the Touch Pro 2 will be out soon in the US (as the HTC Fortress on AT&T at an indeterminate date and the T-Mobile Wing II in July), and that should be everything the Fuze is and more (thinner, better battery life, larger and higher res screen, etc). I'd wait for that.
As for the sim swap question, yes, it should work, assuming the phone you pop your T-Mobile sim in supports 3G at 850MHz, as that's the only frequency T-Mobile uses for 3G (as opposed to AT&T, which uses 850 and 1900 depending on area). If you use a Euro phone, expect it to only work in 1900MHz areas in the US if at all. Phones actually marketed for the US will support both 850 and 1900 bands, which means you won't have a problem.
Thanks for the info. Any idea on the cost of the touch pro 2? I wasn't really looking to break the bank but I am intrigued.
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Thanks for the info. Any idea on the cost of the touch pro 2? I wasn't really looking to break the bank but I am intrigued.
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Welcome to the forum
Depending on your conuntry the price varies
Have a look on expansys to ha an idea
$600-$800USD
That's without a contract, of course. AT&T and T-Mobile should both have the Touch Pro 2 for $150-300 depending on where you order it with plans, if my guess is accurate.
Yea just checked out a video on it and it looks really nice, I'm currently on a prepaid month to month thingy with t-mobile but if I can score this phone for $200 or so with a new contract I might have too. However for the time being I might have to go pick up a Kaiser, they are half the price of the fuze used and although not as sexy still do everything I'm looking for.
Doesn't T-mobile use 1700mhz for 3g and 850 for edge/gprs? From what I've been reading the kaiser wont do 3g on T-mobile.
Snakebear420 said:
Doesn't T-mobile use 1700mhz for 3g and 850 for edge/gprs? From what I've been reading the kaiser wont do 3g on T-mobile.
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Tmob uses 1700 & 2100 fro 3g (must have both)! Kaeser will not do tmob 3g!
Tmob edge uses 850...
Here's the TP2 new owner excitement forum section:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=488
I want to buy this phone on ebay but I have a couple of questions.
I live in CHile so I need the quadband gsm vercion.
1) Can anyone tell me what carries use this? just to make shure, I cant exacly take the sellers word. For example I say a nextel for 300 bucks (about). The seller clames it works world wide.
2) Is the unlock software available already?
Sorry found it!
3) is the fuze and the raphael the same phone? I have seen some that look very diffrent, are they exacly the same just different color. What really looks different is the keyboard.
Thanks
fernandosaez said:
3) is the fuze and the raphael the same phone?
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They are the same phone. There are GSM and CDMA versions of this phone.
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They are the same phone. There are GSM and CDMA versions of this phone.
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Just to clear something up,
FUZE = GSM this version of the phone released by ATT on their US GSM network (only North American 3g version)
RAPHAEL = TOUCH PRO (both GSM and CDMA)
You will want to find out what frequencies your carrier uses for GSM and 3G (they will tell you, or look it up) and get the Raphael that suits your needs
Currently in the GSM iteration there is the FUZE, which works with North American 3G and the Touch Pro which will work with Euro/Asian 3G.
If you post your ebay link (or PM me or somebody) we can tell you for sure
thanks...much clearer! Searching..searching
Hey All
I'm on Telstra in Australia - a network which needs 850mhz 3G. I am REALLY interested in buying the sensation, and from what it looks, the Vodafone UK model supports UMTS 850?
I've got very close relatives who live in the UK, so I can get them to buy it for me. Can someone possibly tell me:
- Does the Vodafone UK one definitely support 850mhz 3G?
- Does it come network unlocked?
- Is there any way to buy it outright without a plan? (eg. PAYG or something)
I can get it shipped to my relatives in the UK or they might even go buy me one in the store. But for now, it looks like the VodaUK one is the only 850mhz capable one.
Thanks
That's what wikipedia said:
but noted that the device can only be used with T-Mobile in the U.S. and is not 4G compatible.
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Can anybody confirm this?
Why should it only work with t-mobile?
I got my phone from amazon, no branding whatsoever, carrier info EUR.
Asides from the display, 9020 and 9023 are the same right, so it wouldn't matter which one I own?
The thing is, I'll be in the US for several weeks and I was hoping I could use my phone for navigation. And at&t has a prepaid offer where you get 500 MB for $25, I couldn't really find anything like that from t-mobile, maybe they don't have a good mobile data offer on prepaid, maybe I just can't find it because their homepage sucks so much..
Would be really great if somebody could tell me with which networks you can definitely use the Nexus S in the States!
Oh, and if you happen to know any better/superior prepaid offers, I'll be happy to hear..
royalmitkaese said:
That's what wikipedia said:
Can anybody confirm this?
Why should it only work with t-mobile?
I got my phone from amazon, no branding whatsoever, carrier info EUR.
Asides from the display, 9020 and 9023 are the same right, so it wouldn't matter which one I own?
The thing is, I'll be in the US for several weeks and I was hoping I could use my phone for navigation. And at&t has a prepaid offer where you get 500 MB for $25, I couldn't really find anything like that from t-mobile, maybe they don't have a good mobile data offer on prepaid, maybe I just can't find it because their homepage sucks so much..
Would be really great if somebody could tell me with which networks you can definitely use the Nexus S in the States!
Oh, and if you happen to know any better/superior prepaid offers, I'll be happy to hear..
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The i9023 will support the GSM bands only (Edge) not the HSPA bands for AT&T. You'll get Edge/GPRS with an AT&T Sim, but not 3G.
There are 2 versions of the i9020 - the i9020 for the AWS 3G bands (T-Mobile US and most of the world) and the i9020a (850/1900 HSPA bands) for AT&T and some Canadian carriers.
The i9023 should work fine with T-Mobile in the US for 3G data.
Actually, we are in China, there is 9020A for Canada ROGERS, the phone can support china 3G 2100 HSPA bands.