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Huawei Ascend Bloatware Removal Thread

With the excitement taking place in the Official Huawei Ascend thread regarding the successful nandroid backup process. I felt it might be a good idea to start a thread regarding what apps/bloatware can be SAFELY removed from both the Cricket version and Metro PCS. Which should start us on the path of custom roms/themes, better performance etc. I think this phone is going to be way more capable than what we thought, at least I hope that turns out to be the case.
This way the "Official" thread can stay on topic with the progress of nandroid, clockwork, and Amon-ra procedures. I am willing to make edits to my original post to reflect the removals that can safely be done for each phone.
Tools Needed:
To root this phone I used Z4Root which can be found here:
Z4Root Link
Another method is Unrevoked but I did not try it, not sure why you would need to with this phone since Z4Root worked fine for me at least but here is link to get you there:
Unrevoked Link
A backup tool that is free in the market is Titanium Backup. I highly suggest using this as Wharmaster said it can "Freeze" the apps, essentially disabling the bloatware apps, but not removing them entirely so in the event something goes wrong you can just "defrost" them and put them back. As an original Droid user, I have been using Titanium Backup for a very long time, and this tool is highly valuable, as when you do a backup it not only backs up the app, but the data associated with it as well. Comes in handy when you restore Angry Birds and don't like the thought of loosing all your progress, not that Angry Birds plays well on the Ascend unfortunately, but as a Droid user I was very happy about having my data restored along with the application.
I know some of this may sound redundant to you seasoned veteran Android users, but some people coming here for the first time are entry level Android users and have picked up this economical Huawei Ascend phone. Knowing things like this is important until we get a final working nandroid backup process via Clockwork (Rom Manager) or Amon-Ra. So until we get a custom Rom that can hopefully be customized for the Huawei Ascend and a kernel that we can use to overclock it, anything we do to help speed up this little phone will make your experience that much better.
Wharmaster has also suggested a browser alternative in Miren, I have never used Miren myself but I am going to check it out and see if my son likes it.
Another browser I would suggest is Dophin Mini HD, it is free and has a smaller footprint than the full blown Dolphin HD browser, it seemed pretty snappy on the Ascend for the amount of time I tried it.
Cricket Section:
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Bowling
Uno
***Download another launcher to replace Canvas launcher, I put Launcherpro (can be found in Market, there is a free version) on my sons phone, once new launcher was put on I did the following "Freezes" with Titanium Backup rather than uninstall. Thanks to Wharmaster for the tip***
Documents to go
Mobile Web 3
Mybackup
Poynt
Storefront
Swype
Metro PCS Section:
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my extras
uno
virtual card
mobile banking
boingo wifi
moco space
free games
easy wifi
pocket express
Also bigjoe25ss posted the following, so if you dont use them I guess it is safe to remove them. In his case he uses the following programs so he kept them:
bigjoe25ss said:
you can also remove mail at metro and metro nav and metro back up but i use those so i left them
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A special Thank You to those who have worked long and hard thus far on the Ascend! As a OG Droid owner, I am hoping to give my son a better experience on his phone.

Bowling and Uno can safely be removed from a Cricket phone.

If you replace Canvas with another launcher than it's safe to remove
Photobucket
Documents to go
Mobile Web 3
Mybackup
Poynt
Storefront
Swype(although i like swype)
For Cricket Phones

I suggest using Titanium Backup to freeze the apps you don't need or want....very easy to simply defrost them if something goes haywire.
Launcherpro makes a great replacement for canvas, IMO. Very fast, and smooth.
Might want to check out the gingerbread keyboard that has been ported over to 2.1 ....you can find it on this forum.
And so far the fastest browser that I have found is Miren....might want to turn marquee mode off in the options though.
Sent from my M860 using XDA App

Wharmaster said:
I suggest using Titanium Backup to freeze the apps you don't need or want....very easy to simply defrost them if something goes haywire.
Launcherpro makes a great replacement for canvas, IMO. Very fast, and smooth.
Might want to check out the gingerbread keyboard that has been ported over to 2.1 ....you can find it on this forum.
And so far the fastest browser that I have found is Miren....might want to turn marquee mode off in the options though.
Sent from my M860 using XDA App
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Thanks for the tip Wharmaster, I actually did this last night before I read your post. I was too afraid of removing something that might break the Ascend and then I wouldn't have a way to put it back.
I really hope those guys working on this phone dont give up and we get something really cool in the weeks to come!
If anyone else has any suggestions please feel free to drop a line here. There are quite a few Huawei Ascend users, and at the price point this phone is at I can only think the number of users is going to grow.
I know my kid likes his phone.
Personally his phone frustrates me, and I can't wait for something custom to make it a bit faster.

If any Metro users could post their bloatware or metro specific stuff that would be much appreciated.
The more info we have the better. It might help the devs with streamlining the ROM.

i have safley removed these from my metro ascend
Documents to go
my extras
uno
virtual card
mobile banking
boingo wifi
moco space
free games
easy wifi
pocket express
you can also remove mail at metro and metro nav and metro back up but i use those so i left them

Actually unlike I first stated it is not safe to remove poynt for Cricket, if you do so you'll loose your data connection... Sorry about that!

I removed it and i don't have any data problems i know of.
S.I.™ ©®77

selfinflicted1 said:
I removed it and i don't have any data problems i know of.
S.I.™ ©®77
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Yeah i deleted also and I've been playing Xbox live for hours, from Barnacle.
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I froze poynt on my sons Huawei and he has had no issues so far.
I wonder what this means?

Umm....I removed poynt weeks ago with no issues.
Sent from my M860 using XDA App

joenathane said:
If you replace Canvas with another launcher than it's safe to remove
Photobucket
Documents to go
Mobile Web 3
Mybackup
Poynt
Storefront
Swype(although i like swype)
For Cricket Phones
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Can you please tell me how to remove the canvas?

jadden said:
Can you please tell me how to remove the canvas?
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Make nandroid back up then:
1.First make sure you have another launcher program
2.Make sure canvas is NOT the default
3.Use titanium back up to freeze or uninstall the canvas app.
4. Enjoy
S.I.™ ©®77

papawiskas said:
I froze poynt on my sons Huawei and he has had no issues so far.
I wonder what this means?
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Strange, I froze poynt and my data connection went away, reset the phone still gone, unfronze poynt and it came back immediately...

But what else have you uninstalled or froze? You might want to restore them all and freeze just poynt...then test. Then unfreeze poynt and repeat that sequence with each app.
I would be interested to know those results.
As I have had no data issues.

I removed Poynt with Root Explorer and have had no issues since. It's been about 2 weeks ago.

Are you sure it wasnt gtalk? I know that one causes problems if you remove iy

AAARG! Deleted canvas now what?
Ok so i didnt pay for the freezing and defrost option. So i deleted canvas so I could use a better browser. NOW MY PHONE WONT GET PAST THE CRICKET SCREEN TO FIX. Any suggestions anyone? I did back it up btw before i did anything....

rvp1025 said:
Ok so i didnt pay for the freezing and defrost option. So i deleted canvas so I could use a better browser. NOW MY PHONE WONT GET PAST THE CRICKET SCREEN TO FIX. Any suggestions anyone? I did back it up btw before i did anything....
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Did you install Launcher Pro before deleting Canvas?

[Q] Backup Apps

I am new to android so please excuse me if this is common knowledge. I was wondering about backup apps. I heard about titanium and nandroid. I was wondering which one is the best or if there are any others out that might be worth a look. What does Google or Sense 2.0 automatically back up?
Thanks!

bigcrav said:
I am new to android so please excuse me if this is common knowledge. I was wondering about backup apps. I heard about titanium and nandroid. I was wondering which one is the best or if there are any others out that might be worth a look. What does Google or Sense 2.0 automatically back up?
Thanks!
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Nandroid typically backs up your entire system as it is. Meaning settings, apps, themes, kernel, etc... whereas Titanium Backup will backup data. It's always good to have a working nandroid backup, in case you find yourself flashing a bad rom/kernel or otherwise getting into a bad state, you can always roll back to your nandroid backup.
Titanium Backup is really handy for backing up your apps and their data (saved games, etc...). I've heard MyBackup is good too, but haven't tried it yet.
I'm not sure what all Google backs up, but from what I've seen (and this is just a quick 'off the top of my head' list) it has settings (wifi information, wallpaper, homescreen setup), contacts in your google account and apps from the marketplace. I'm sure it backs up more, that's just all I can think of at the moment.
As for Sense... I'm not sure. This is my first official Sense device, but I noticed some old SMS messages come up out of nowhere. I'm sure doing some googling will give you the info you want though.

Thanks man. Very helpful.
Sent from my Desire HD using XDA App

When my apps from my captivate magically appeared on my Inspire after signing in to google I was impressed, and quite glad I always turn on wifi when setting up a phone.

i've always preferred appmanager over titanium backup.
recently though, with an updated version of appinstaller (by gregory house), they implimented a backup option which i've stuck with. appinstaller is the most lightweight, reliable app installing/uninstalling/backup program i've come across.

Need tmobile apps back!

Im trading in my phone and need all the tmobile apps back can someone please upload all the tmobile bloatware also the ea games app too! thanks

I'm assuming that you're rooted because you said delete not freeze. It probably would have been wise to do a Titanium Backup of all that Tmo crapware before deleting. That being said, there are stock images floating around in the developer section, and if you have CWM installed, a NANDroid as well.

ya but sadly i dont have a micro sd card! it hasnt come in the mail yet! can you do it just with the phone?

You don't need SD card to backup with titanium use internal 8gb
You could always get them back from the nandroid or stock image in Dev section
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demo23019 said:
You don't need SD card to backup with titanium use internal 8gb
You could always get them back from the nandroid or stock image in Dev section
Sent from my Nexus S using XDA App
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How would you go about extracting apps from a .img file?? My bad they are probably .zip right..
G2X

Can't you just download them from T-mobile?
http://android.t-mobile.com/android-apps

You need root to complete this.
- Download the system dump in the Developer section
- Unzip that zip or tar or whatever compressed archive it is
- Connect your phone via USB
- Copy the files you deleted (or all of /system/app/) to your phone's internal SD card
- Use a program such as Root Explorer to copy the files you deleted from your SD card to /system/app/
- If you want to be thorough, set the permissions of those copied files to match those of the existing ones
- Reboot
ALWAYS take a nandroid backup before you make changes.

Here's a zip file that contains all of the bloatware that I removed. Use Titanium Backup to restore these. I haven't tried restoring, but it should work.
It includes:
Wi-Fi Calling (com.android.kineto)
EA Launcher (com.ea.launcher.moregames)
NFS Shift (com.ea.nfsshift)
NOVA (com.gameloft.android.GAND.GloftNOHP)
Polaris (com.infraware.docMaster)
Logmein Rescue (com.logmein.rescue, com.logmein.rescuesecurity)
T-Mobile TV (com.mobitv.client.tmobiletvhd)
My Account (com.nuance.nmc.sihome)
TegraZone (com.nvidia.tegra)
Swype (com.swype.android.inputmethod)
Telenav (com.telenav.app.android.telenav)
T-Mobile Apppack (com.tmobile.apppack)
T-Mobile Device (com.tmobile.selfhelp)
Zinio (com.zinio.mobile.android)
EDIT: nevermind, my zip file was missing most these files.

electric33l said:
Tmo crapware
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Why do they even add this garbage in?
I doubt anyone would care if the **** is gone, even a T-Mobile store.

samson_420 said:
Why do they even add this garbage in?
I doubt anyone would care if the **** is gone, even a T-Mobile store.
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Advertising.......
able to sell phone for a "cheaper" price

This is one of the least bloated phones available, period. In fact, the Nexus S is probably the only phone available new which has less.
Some of this stuff is useful.

Not all of this should be considered bloatware. Some of it can be useful. I actually had T-Mobile My Account installed on my Nexus One from the Market and use it often to check my bill. Two free games I don't consider bloatware. I enjoy NFS Shift and not sure why you consider a free game bloatware. The only apps on here I think is complete bloatware and not useful to some is TeleNav since everyone has a better navigation for free already and T-Mobile App Pack, which is just to buy stuff at ridiculous prices from T-Mobile. Other than that, I will probably keep most of the preinstalled apps and even backup the APKs for later install on CM.

I consider it all bloat, but that's just a personal opinion. If I want it I'll download it myself. Also the fact that it doesn't let you remove the bloat (unless you root) is most irritating, otherwise nobody would really care.
I got rid of all of this, it's all bloat I don't want locked into my phone:
EA Launcher (com.ea.launcher.moregames)
NFS Shift (com.ea.nfsshift)
NOVA (com.gameloft.android.GAND.GloftNOHP)
Polaris (com.infraware.docMaster)
Logmein Rescue (com.logmein.rescue, com.logmein.rescuesecurity)
T-Mobile TV (com.mobitv.client.tmobiletvhd)
My Account (com.nuance.nmc.sihome)
TegraZone (com.nvidia.tegra)
Swype (com.swype.android.inputmethod)
Telenav (com.telenav.app.android.telenav)
T-Mobile Apppack (com.tmobile.apppack)
T-Mobile Device (com.tmobile.selfhelp)
Zinio (com.zinio.mobile.android)

mapin0518 said:
I consider it all bloat, but that's just a personal opinion. If I want it I'll download it myself. Also the fact that it doesn't let you remove the bloat (unless you root) is most irritating, otherwise nobody would really care.
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That is true for many of the apps, but they aren't all available on the market. I am all for removing ones you don't want, but I don't think it will matter for the average user. If they don't want them, they just don't open them. I have no problem with T-Mobile including apps they find useful personally. Ideally they would be uninstallable, but then some users would uninstall and not be able to reinstall and get angry. Take a look at a stock Verizon Android phone and you will be impressed with the G2x by comparison.

Stock nandroid works
I just used the stock nandroid from developers section to restore my apps. everything looks good so far.

c3plok said:
I just used the stock nandroid from developers section to restore my apps. everything looks good so far.
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Side note....I did not use nvflash only ROM Manager donate version to install CWM.

c3plok said:
Side note....I did not use nvflash only ROM Manager donate version to install CWM.
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so do nvflash. it's not that hard. really.

crazythunder said:
so do nvflash. it's not that hard. really.
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I was a little worried about it because i only have windows 7 64 bit and i read a couple posts that said it was iffy. Even so the guide worked like a charm.
I did read that i would need nvflash for a permanent solution as rom manager is a fakeflash.

jimbo831 said:
That is true for many of the apps, but they aren't all available on the market. I am all for removing ones you don't want, but I don't think it will matter for the average user. If they don't want them, they just don't open them. I have no problem with T-Mobile including apps they find useful personally. Ideally they would be uninstallable, but then some users would uninstall and not be able to reinstall and get angry. Take a look at a stock Verizon Android phone and you will be impressed with the G2x by comparison.
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For me, I just want to be able to control what I have on my phone. It's irritating that one has to go to such lengths to remove applications that one does not desire, but if T-Mobile had made them uninstallable and re-installable like any other app, this wouldn't be a problem. That being said, Wi-Fi calling is infinitely useful, but I deleted it along with everything else when I was testing possible battery drain fixes. I would have done a TiBu, but I'm learning along the way.

[Q] Possible to retrieve contacts via NANDROID?

I just update to the PROBAM rom (v 1.2.4) for Note 2 GT-N7100. I had made a complete backup via titanium backup but somehow its not restoring.
Is it possible to restore from the NANDROID backup? I had done a ROM backup (via CWM recovery) before flashing the PROBAM.

gauravahluwalia said:
I just update to the PROBAM rom (v 1.2.4) for Note 2 GT-N7100. I had made a complete backup via titanium backup but somehow its not restoring.
Is it possible to restore from the NANDROID backup? I had done a ROM backup (via CWM recovery) before flashing the PROBAM.
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If I remember correctly using the Pro version of Titanium backup will allow you to pull individual parts of CWM backups if you have it. Don't quote me on that though.
Also if you had contacts sync on shouldn't you be able to retrieve them through the same google account?

flametai1 said:
If I remember correctly using the Pro version of Titanium backup will allow you to pull individual parts of CWM backups if you have it. Don't quote me on that though.
Also if you had contacts sync on shouldn't you be able to retrieve them through the same google account?
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The issue is with the ROM I guess. I am restoring apps + DATA using TB (I guess restoring data is a bad idea) and this is making the contacts app itself to FC. The ROM is one of the best I have seen.
Anyways I got a workaround for it. Restored it back to previous ROM, backed up the vall logs, messages and contacts both using the contacts app and the super backup up. This should work now hopefully.
One question: This ROM is AOSP. I will lose the s-pen. I hardly use the hover or smart stay or whatever. However the one thing i want to keep is the ability to scribble on screenshots. Is there any workaround at all for this? I know few apps like screenshot ultimate pro etc. lets you do this, but i have seen mixed reviews about it

gauravahluwalia said:
The issue is with the ROM I guess. I am restoring apps + DATA using TB (I guess restoring data is a bad idea) and this is making the contacts app itself to FC. The ROM is one of the best I have seen.
Anyways I got a workaround for it. Restored it back to previous ROM, backed up the vall logs, messages and contacts both using the contacts app and the super backup up. This should work now hopefully.
One question: This ROM is AOSP. I will lose the s-pen. I hardly use the hover or smart stay or whatever. However the one thing i want to keep is the ability to scribble on screenshots. Is there any workaround at all for this? I know few apps like screenshot ultimate pro etc. lets you do this, but i have seen mixed reviews about it
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Unfortunately I have no idea... I do know that GMD Pen control (I believe it's called that) should be able to add back in gestures with it such as < going back and ^ triggering menu and allows you to make custom ones and more. I bought the pro version because I like it that much! I would try the free version first before buying it though as I don't know whether it will add the gesture capability back in or not.
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flametai1 said:
Unfortunately I have no idea... I do know that GMD Pen control (I believe it's called that) should be able to add back in gestures with it such as < going back and ^ triggering menu and allows you to make custom ones and more. I bought the pro version because I like it that much! I would try the free version first before buying it though as I don't know whether it will add the gesture capability back in or not.
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Downloaded screenshot ultimate pro. I find it much better. It detects when a screenshot is taken and then asks you if you want to edit (including drawing) it or share etc. The only negative is that the app saves the screenshot as well. So basically you have double pictures and you also get the screenshot notification twice.
Thanks for your help

Question Full backup possible?

Greetings!
Just picked up a Pixel 6a, coming from an LG-V30. Have been out of the custom ROM game since switching from a Nexus5 to the LG which had minimal custom ROM options (stock was really quite good).
With the Nexus5 I was used to doing full backups (boot/system/data) with TWRP so I could try out a new ROM and reverting to my original ROM (completely set up with all my apps and data) with very little effort or down time.
I've spent some time reading the forum and it doesn't look like TWRP is really a thing for the Pixel 6a and I've found very little info about making a similar "full" backup.
Does such an option exist?
I'd like to test drive LineageOS (and maybe one or two others, I was a huge fan of CyanogenMod in the past), but having spent the last several days getting things "just right" in my stock/rooted setup I'm not thrilled at the idea of doing it again just to try something that might not work out.
Not really looking for "Google Backup" style options, I would like a solution I can do 100% local to try something out and then easily and quickly revert if needed.
Thanks!

TWRP style full backup isnt possible anymore, but you can use Swift backup to do a TiBu style app backup. Between Swift and Google a clean flash isnt horrible, but yeah.....I definitely also miss the full backup option.

Hi!
You can try this one: https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/tool-root-adb-partition-backup-restore-tool-for-windows.4512231/
I could backup my Pixel 6a completely.

Sorry, but there is no such option. I have P6 and also miss TWRP or Clockwork kind of recovery solution. There is nothing similar (as far as I know) like what we had on previous phones... Now I use Swift backup for apps backup, but that's not what you looking for.

Thanks for the replies, even if they aren't what I was hoping for...
I have switched to Swift as well, too many issues with TiBU restoring data and ending up with force close problems.
Jan61 - Looks interesting, but I'm not sure it's ready for general use.
Typical Google, one step forward but two steps back for users who want to do more than just buy a phone.
Oh well, guess I will live with stock for a while and let Lineage get more stable (maybe even official).

Can you use Swift Backup to backup app data without being rooted?

baldybill said:
Can you use Swift Backup to backup app data without being rooted?
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As far as I know no, unfortunately.

"swift" is closed source software being distributed by somebody you can't hold accountable for any kind of security problems in the software. It has the capability of connecting to the internet even if you deny network permission (on an android distribution that has such option, obviously). I would HIGHLY recommend that you avoid this software.
Better backup software is *NEO Backup* (available on F-Droid), which is open source and quite auditable.

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"swift" is closed source software being distributed by somebody you can't hold accountable for any kind of security problems in the software. It has the capability of connecting to the internet even if you deny network permission (on an android distribution that has such option, obviously). I would HIGHLY recommend that you avoid this software.
Better backup software is *NEO Backup* (available on F-Droid), which is open source and quite auditable.
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You mean like a Microsoft system
or an apple system
Both are closed source

I don't vouch for swift backup, I tried it and most of my restored apps crashed repeatedly / didn't backup correctly. I am still looking for a good backup android solution that works similar to windows system image backups.

I've used it since day one
I've never had a problem with it
I've been using a Google phone since day one
The only backup problem I ever had was tibu
That was the biggest piece of **** there was

piperx said:
You mean like a Microsoft system
or an apple system
Both are closed source
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Both are hideously untrustworthy, but at least you can hold them accountable for data theft.

96carboard said:
It has the capability of connecting to the internet even if you deny network permission (on an android distribution that has such option, obviously).
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Curious, does that include being blocked by a a rooted system level firewall (AFWall+/iptables)?
I've never trusted Google's "toggles" to turn things off properly.
And FWIW - You (as an individual user) are as likely to hold crApple/Micro$oft accountable as you would the author of Swift for any data theft.
EDIT - That said, I will give NEO a look, options are always good to have available.

NEO requires root

Maybe this helps someone.
I do full backup with:
- Plug phone into PC and copy each folder down. Sometimes you have to go one-by-one, or a few folders at once, or Windows just freezes up. Once all copied, great.
- Use Super Backup app from Play Store to make a backup of everything. Calendar, Call Logs, Contacts, etc.
Once all done:
Use the phone's built-in migration solution IF same brand; IF not, use Google app to transfer/migrate. This will copy most of your app settings and whatnot to your new device. (I skip pictures, etc.) To copy over pictures, I just use Windows and the previously made backup to copy over the DCIM folder for example.
And that's it, works flawless for me.

baldybill said:
NEO requires root
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Non-issue, I rooted the phone the day I got it.
I won't own a phone that can't be rooted.

h8Aramex said:
Maybe this helps someone.
I do full backup with:
- Plug phone into PC and copy each folder down. Sometimes you have to go one-by-one, or a few folders at once, or Windows just freezes up. Once all copied, great.
- Use Super Backup app from Play Store to make a backup of everything. Calendar, Call Logs, Contacts, etc.
Once all done:
Use the phone's built-in migration solution IF same brand; IF not, use Google app to transfer/migrate. This will copy most of your app settings and whatnot to your new device. (I skip pictures, etc.) To copy over pictures, I just use Windows and the previously made backup to copy over the DCIM folder for example.
And that's it, works flawless for me.
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I do something similar for migration, but I'm not looking for a one time migration. I want to be able to bounce around on a couple custom ROMs for a day or two and then settle on the one I like. Used to be easy with TWRP backup to image the entire phone in a single step, not so much any more.

mbellot said:
Curious, does that include being blocked by a a rooted system level firewall (AFWall+/iptables)?
I've never trusted Google's "toggles" to turn things off properly.
And FWIW - You (as an individual user) are as likely to hold crApple/Micro$oft accountable as you would the author of Swift for any data theft.
EDIT - That said, I will give NEO a look, options are always good to have available.
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Root can bypass *everything*. No exception. That includes either switching to a different user to work around firewall rules, or even adjusting the rules to suit. Selinux? "setenforce 0".
As far as holding the fruit company or vaxx pushers accountable, keep in mind that its not just YOU needing to hold them accountable, but EVERYBODY ELSE harmed by their software. So yes, it will come to something VERY substantial.

96carboard said:
As far as holding the fruit company or vaxx pushers accountable, keep in mind that its not just YOU needing to hold them accountable, but EVERYBODY ELSE harmed by their software. So yes, it will come to something VERY substantial.
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If it's more than just individuals (ie. class action lawsuit), the only ones who get anything "substantial" are the lawyers.
You'll get a coupon for 10% off your next i-Thing or Windoze "upgrade", the lawyers will get the cash.

mbellot said:
If it's more than just individuals (ie. class action lawsuit), the only ones who get anything "substantial" are the lawyers.
You'll get a coupon for 10% off your next i-Thing or Windoze "upgrade", the lawyers will get the cash.
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You assume that the objective is to get a payday, when the objective is actually to punish them for bad behavior.