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The (LEO) HD2 is making want to go back to windows

Since the G1 and now the mytouch both of which I flashed the Hero rom on, I just found my perfect business phone and this one could be a true Iphone killer and it has windows. I have not used a windows based phone since the dash and now the HD2 is making want to try it again. I live off outlook so that a plus but playing with the touchpro 2 I dont like some items, but like the Hero rich widgets, have you guys heard of anything?

Have you tried Androkidd 0.8, I installed it on my Pro2 yesterday and it seems good.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=540428

Cool, another Leo thread!

Since I posted this has there been any development on getting andriod on the HD2? Now that the Evo has come out I am hoping the process has been helped?

FenderGuy said:
Since I posted this has there been any development on getting andriod on the HD2? Now that the Evo has come out I am hoping the process has been helped?
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The developers have finally overcome the segfaults which previously prevented the Linux kernel from booting fully, meaning that Linux can boot fully, and Android is possible. However, the touch screen doesn't have any Linux drivers, meaning that until someone develops a touch screen driver from scratch, that Android (or any other Linux userland) is unusable without a USB keyboard/mouse plugged in .
The EVO 4G seems similar to the HD2, and it is reasonable to think that it may help in development of Android for the HD2, but it's actually quite the opposite. The hardware used in the HD2 is much different than that in the EVO. Besides the common appearance, the two devices are completely independent of one another, and the developers are mostly on their own. Just a small word of advice: don't ever buy a phone because of features that have yet to be developed, as there is absolutely no guarantee that Android/Linux will ever work fully on the HD2.

Leo is a great device, and it´s not outdated as it has the same or even more power than some newer devices.
WM is doing well on it because it´s fast processor

I agree withthe above poster. I think HD2 and WM have years left. Right now its the only phone I can do everything I want with, except HULU, which I firmly beleive will come. Heres what Android or iOS4 or WP7 will have to do out of the box for me to give up WM6.5
1. Play nice with my hava box for live TV.
2. Emulate PS1 game flawlessly
3. Play the PS1 games with a wireless PS3 controller.
4. Play any kind of video in existance thats under 2GB in file size with no frame dropping or quality loss.
5. Word, and Excel
6. a FTP program
7. Cut, copy, paste, and open with...
8. Streaming radio and play, OGG's, AAC, and other off brand codecs
These are my main concerns when I hear about WP7 coming. I fear we may loose all the killer software that has been build the last 5 years. Hopefully WP7 will have a compatability mode. LOL

maxpower097 said:
I agree withthe above poster. I think HD2 and WM have years left. Right now its the only phone I can do everything I want with, except HULU, which I firmly beleive will come. Heres what Android or iOS4 or WP7 will have to do out of the box for me to give up WM6.5
1. Play nice with my hava box for live TV.
2. Emulate PS1 game flawlessly
3. Play the PS1 games with a wireless PS3 controller.
4. Play any kind of video in existance thats under 2GB in file size with no frame dropping or quality loss.
5. Word, and Excel
6. a FTP program
7. Cut, copy, paste, and open with...
8. Streaming radio and play, OGG's, AAC, and other off brand codecs
These are my main concerns when I hear about WP7 coming. I fear we may loose all the killer software that has been build the last 5 years. Hopefully WP7 will have a compatability mode. LOL
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Because we are the minority. those lovely features you speak of wont be present in most phone os going forward. Apple has shown that dumb down super simple phones are the way to go. btw I dont mean dumb down in the sense that they suck. What I mean is, we as a community are use to having free reign on what we do with our phones. The average user will do more harm than good with these features. With great power comes great responsiblity.
I like android! I havent seen a single thing that it cant do. Infact because of people like cyanogen its grown at record breaking speeds to be come a contender.
One of the best things about android is I have been able to install albeit modified versions of android on my g1 and my friends droid.
Now hes currently running froyo before motorola even has a chance to update it.

Thanks for the posts....I am using my Gen 1 Mytouch and while I like it a lot, its starting to be to slow for me.
I think the reason why I won't to windows is that I like the Andriod market a lot, being able to get a program , etc
But I am a windows guy on my laptop running outlook, office, etc and I am thinking it would be better for my business to switch to WM?
Maybe I need to research the market to see what I can get

Come on in the waters fine! With the snapdragon wimo 6.5 really pops. Its equal to or greater then ios4 or android. Once you get cookiemonsters app up, everyone at your work will be jelous of your phone. From comparing my multiple wimo phones with friend iphones and droid phones I can easily say once my rom is selected and phone is tweaked its actually much more stable then the other phones.

Android or Windows Mobile ?

Hi,
im searchin for a new mobile... i wanted to buy it in the next 2 or 3 weeks, but there is a big problem:
i dunno what mobile would be the best for me :S
I am thinking about Windows mobile and Android ... The windows mobile phones i have used till now are quite nice, but no one really made me fully happy ... i always tried to port other interfaces and so on my lg ks20 and htc diamond.
i´ve seen that android has a quite nice interface with very good touch friendly options...
my windows mobile candidate would be of course the HTC Leo , what the android canditate would be is just open till now ...
I often browse in Wifi networks , like facebook, gmail, icq, etc. and therefor i am searching for an mobile with good browsing quality ... what camera there is ... i dont care about that crap ... just being comfortable in networks , chatting , sharing files and so on...
Hope you can help me ..
else any questions ? just post, i will directly answer.
See ya
Sallal
//EDIT: I saw now some androids and i think nexus one and desire are very good but , what is the difference between them ?

Hi,
In term of memory management Windows mobile is far way better and for the interface also you have a lot of ui for windows mobile that are now very close to the Android style that you are searching for(if not even better).
I first bought an HTC Hero and was very happy the first two months but then it became so boring because of that lack of programs for it.
Now I am on a Leo and I can assure you that the moment you will put this device in your hand,you will be impressed by his speed.
Hurry up before the HD3

what about the htc desire ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5T4gEQKThsg
this video impressed me

Sense La Révolution for Windows Mobiles SPB Mobile Shell:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hKzIT5DhUZA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QydHxYziKwY

Here it is in a nutshell,
Android is the new kid on the block, rough around the edges, not fully functional yet, short on apps, in dire need of updates, but with the genuine potential to be an actual iPhone killer ( hence Apple vs HTC suit solely filed to slow down Android ). Android is on it's way, but not going to be great until, after whatever Android phone you buy now, is old and tired.
Windows Mobile is tried and true, tons of free apps, full bluetooth functionality, full Exchange and Office functionality, easy to sync, fully customizable to your needs, but it is what it is and will not get any better. Whatever you buy now, will not be upgradeable to Windows Phone 7 Series, and WP7S would appear to be that " make it or break it " for
Windows Mobile.
In short ? Android = up and coming, but not quite there yet. Windows Mobile = Already mature, but could be on the down slide soon.
If you are living for today, Windows Mobile hands down. Come this fall ? Phones with Android 3.0 ? Windows Phone 7 Series ? Who knows.
The Nexus One is Googles Android device made by HTC, The Desire " was " the Droid Eris, but has since been reassigned to the HTC branded Nexus One.

@die_Leuchte: Danke für die videos, ich hab mich entschieden / Thanks for the Videos , now ive decided what to take
@denco7: i know it is a nutshell, but if i see what android showed on mwc for example, it seems that it has millions of apps and is just now the iphone killer ^^
just crap what they are sayin ?

sallal said:
@die_Leuchte: Danke für die videos, ich hab mich entschieden / Thanks for the Videos , now ive decided what to take
@denco7: i know it is a nutshell, but if i see what android showed on mwc for example, it seems that it has millions of apps and is just now the iphone killer ^^
just crap what they are sayin ?
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http://phandroid.com/2009/11/23/android-vs-windows-mobile/
Add to that limited Bluetooth capabilities and ( important to me ) limited M$ Exchange and Office capabilities it just isn't mature enough yet to be a serious multitasking phone for business.
Don't get me wrong, I think Android is the future of Mobile OS' . WP7s is going to have to do a lot to convince me otherwise. And I am leaning towards an Android phone after Android 3.0 and WP7s come out, just from what I have seen of Android 1.5, 1.6, 2.0 and 2.1 on the Nexus, I just still don't think that it is capable yet.

so you think that if you would buy a smartphone now, you would choose winmo...
if you could buy it in 2 years , you would choose maybe android ... right?

Do not be fooled by a shiny interface just like I was.Besides what you are seeing on an Android phone is the Sense UI made by HTC.
If I am not wrong the Nexus one doesn't have the Sense UI.
I am not telling that Android(in reality Linux) is not a good phone.On the contrary you will find it with very useful applications but in some cases just like what happened to me you will not have a wide range of choice for the same application.
For Ex:If you want a Virtual Keyboard,because Android is still new you will have only 2 or 3 keyboards(maybe there is more now) to choose from but on Windows Mobile you have more than 15 competitors to choose from with years of experience in that field .
So,
Android is for you if you can be satisfied with what you have.
Windows is for you if you are thirsty of applications
Hope this helped

thirsty guy
well, i always need to get more apps to have another quit unuseful thing on my mobile, like wifi router or so
then i take the leo ^^
EDIT: @forcefield: i recieved an email , that swype for android is out your problem is solved now

Here is a quote from another german forum
there is no "better" one, some like winmo and some android more ...
before i buyed my new phone i thinked about the hd2 and the milestone... i choosed the milestone and i dont regret nothing !
looking at the amount of apps i would choose android because its just much easier and uncomplicated .. with more apps than windows mobile.
i dont know whats the difference between the desire and the nexus one , but you can wait until they get on the german market to see more information..
pointing on the battery strength maybe its disapointing but i have to be honest, its normally just between 1 and 3 days depending on how you use your phone.
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i still think that windows mobile has more apps.. but the problem is , they are just widespread in the www.
battery: an issue what wont be solved in 500 years.
Original Post from http://www.handy-faq.de/forum/handyberatung/128679-suche_gutes_browsing_handy.html
Sry for the bad translation, it is freely made by me ^^

another question ... i you would have the choice between touch pro 2 aka rhodium and hd 2 aka leo , which one would you take ?
with reasons please =) ...
sallal

I'm suprised that no one has brought this up, but, if you got a Windows phone, don't you always have the option of running Android on it? I don't think it works the other way around. Please, PLEASE correct me if I'm wrong.

jadesdan said:
I'm suprised that no one has brought this up, but, if you got a Windows phone, don't you always have the option of running Android on it? I don't think it works the other way around. Please, PLEASE correct me if I'm wrong.
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Android proted to WM is still a port. It runs within WM and some of the features of Android don't work and some of the features of the phone won't work with the Android port. It will never be as fast or as smooth as Android running natively.
sallal said:
another question ... i you would have the choice between touch pro 2 aka rhodium and hd 2 aka leo , which one would you take ?
with reasons please =) ...
sallal
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I would take the Leo, faster processor, bigger more beautiful display, more ram. The only plus for the Rhodium is the slide out keyboard.
But just remember that neither phone is going to be upgradable to Windows Phone 7 Series.

of course take the LEO!!!
I own Touch Diamond 2 (which is basically like TP2 without the slide out keyboard) and it's really great and everything. But then I also have access to Samsung Omnia II with 800 Mhz CPU and it's running so much faster and more smoothy. And the big display is insane!! Then go figure because HD2 even comes with 1 GHz!!!! IMO it would be stupid to buy the OLD TP2 with only 528 Mhz.....

jadesdan said:
I'm suprised that no one has brought this up, but, if you got a Windows phone, don't you always have the option of running Android on it? I don't think it works the other way around. Please, PLEASE correct me if I'm wrong.
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No, there's no fully working Android version for any WM phone. They all have bugs and stuff not working.

A few issues regarding lag, text message +Sd card and apps

Hey is it just me or is the FUZE just slow and lags all the time? i flashed the rom and put in the ENERGY ROM but it's still slow sometimes, especially when I text but even in general functions.
Does the internal memory have anything to do with speed? Is it possible for me to transfer all my text messages to my microsd (and to save future ones on my microsd card)? Thanks!
I was looking at apps for touch pro using the live marketplace and other sources as well. Man there aren't too many good ones; i think windows probably as the worst app selection, which iphone being best and android second am I right? Can someone correct me on this? For instance, I was just trying to find an English to Chinese dictionary; i searched for hours and I finally came up with one decent dictionary. In comparison, I used my friend's Iphone to look for one and a ton just came up in a few minutes wtf. man I'm really getting frustrated with this phone lol; i thought it'd be really great but honestly now i'm kind of disappointed. i might even just get an iphone just because there's so much platform support for it. So many websites have apps specifically designed for iphone that it's really convenient...the same can't be said for htc =/.

Have a look at these Chinese Dictionaries:
http://pocketpc.mobisystems.com/product.html?p=2&l=1&pid=157&i=1
http://pocketpc.mobisystems.com/product.html?p=2&l=1&pid=255&i=1
http://pocketpc.mobisystems.com/product.html?p=2&l=1&pid=283&i=1
http://pocketpc.mobisystems.com/product.html?p=2&l=1&pid=308&i=1
http://www.lingvosoft.com/LingvoSoft-Chinese-Platinum-Pack/
http://www.gakusoft.com/kinghanzi.htm
http://www.declan-software.com/pocket_pc/chinese/index.htm#dictionary
http://www.hnhsoft.com/dictec
Laggy device ! I'm on standard latest 6.1 ROM & not having any real issues. Probably related to ROM, settings or installed software.
Windows Mobile is far more flexible than iphone ect but it does need more user knowledge to get the most out of it.

I already looked at those for the most part...I was just looking for free dictionaries lol. I don't want to pay for one because 1) I'd rather use my money on other things lol 2) if i reset the device, I'm not sure if I can reinstall it so that could be a waste of money.
I can't believe one of them is 200 dollars wtf lol.
Btw, I would think that the game support for Windows Mobile would be great because well it's PPC so I assumed games would be easily ported from PC. Man the games suck on PPC lol. I tried installing COD2...the controls were so bad I gave up. The only good games I've gotten are NFS and this game called Meon.
Hmm so you think that the device's hardware is laggy or is it something about my phone? Do phones get slower over time?
I think the lack of support for Windows Mobile compared to Iphone and Android is definitely one of the big problems. the latter two OSs are so much more user friendly and intuitive (although they have their own problems but I think the benefits outweigh the cons). If only Iphone had a slideout keyboard lol...

Really depends on what you use the device for in regards to applications, I have software related to engineering calculations that is only available to PPC platform plus I like the hackability of CE platform giving the ability to make things how you want them.
Games are a bit limited but you can find a few good ones & also a few good emulators for sega ect.
Support is good for the PPC but not so much in the average mobile users needs for games & gizmo apps.

Is there a way to save all my text messages onto my microsd card and access it from there instead of saving it on the internal memory?

### can we port WebOS to HD2??###

just wondering, if people are trying to work out android into HD2, then a webOS inside HD2 is even better

+1
if htc buys palm as the rumors say than maybe we'll have a chance to see this...

antaed said:
+1
if htc buys palm as the rumors say than maybe we'll have a chance to see this...
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Could prove to be very interesting if the rumors come true.
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i got hd2, palm pre and nexus one at the moment..hd2 is the best hardware wise, palm is the best OS wise...n1 stand in the middle...
i don't even bother thinking about windows 7... webOS is way better than wm 6.5.5 (of which the platform is much older)
android comes surprisingly good though..
if htc does buy palm then we surely will get something like hd2 with palm OS..
i can use my hd2 solely because of custom roms...using standard rom is out of question

iwang said:
i got hd2, palm pre and nexus one at the moment..hd2 is the best hardware wise, palm is the best OS wise...n1 stand in the middle...
i don't even bother thinking about windows 7... webOS is way better than wm 6.5.5 (of which the platform is much older)
android comes surprisingly good though..
if htc does buy palm then we surely will get something like hd2 with palm OS..
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my first choice was the palm pre but i got tired of waiting for it. htc hero was the best android at that time - good alternative but outdated. nokia's n900 was also an interesting alternative but i decided to go with the hd2.
now, after 5 month with it i think it was the best decision i could have made. it's far from perfect but thanks to this community it's getting better and better and i enjoy every minute of this experience.
iwang said:
i can use my hd2 solely because of custom roms...using standard rom is out of question
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i couldn't agree more

yeah
need something like pop up sms, like chompsms in android..is there any in hd2?

It would be a great experience if we can try WebOS.
However WebOS is just a Linux like Android and because it is HTML-based the coding is also very limited and we can't have all the powerful applications that can be made or found on Windows.
Beside it's better to code in the state of the art C# than in old HTML.

ForceField said:
It would be a great experience if we can try WebOS.
However WebOS is just a Linux like Android and because it is HTML-based the coding is also very limited and we can't have all the powerful applications that can be made or found on Windows.
Beside it's better to code in the state of the art C# than in old HTML.
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Say what? I dont understand that statement. Linux is build on C, surely you are mistaken by saing android is coded in HTML...

snipey said:
Say what? I dont understand that statement. Linux is build on C, surely you are mistaken by saing android is coded in HTML...
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I didn't said that Android is coded in HTML.
I am a Coder snipey and this is not me who you is mistaken
I know what .NET is capable of and what HTML is capable of:
WebOS is HTML based and if you know how to code in HTML or Javascript then coding applications for WebOS is really easy because it is simple.But with this simplicity you will not be able to make powerful applications.
.NET C# is Microsoft's latest language and heavily supported it is also very different from C in matter of syntax and much more powerful because of the graphic.
With this new language(not that new though) you can write very complex code that can give powerful applications.
This is what I was stating.

WebOS is not just html - it is mainly based on JAVASCRIPT - when you say HTML it sounds outdated, but javascript and xml (AJAX) is the new thing when it comes to merging the line between web apps and desktop apps.
Plus Linux is C based. So if Palm unlock the OS it could run native linux apps.
Also, check out the latest games on the palm app store, like Need for speed, those are not HTML based.
Palm has cracked the mobile multitasking issue with a very intuitive paradigm, I only wish the hardware was better (e.g. larger screen, better graphics processor).
Drop WebOS on HD2 hardware and I believe they will finally topple the iPhone's dominance of the mobile market.

you're both a little right.
WebOS is primarily HTML, CSS, and Javascript. However, the recently released PDK (Plug-In Developers Kit) also allows coding portions of WebOS apps in C/C++. The architecture is similar to Web Browser Plugins (since most of WebOS is basically a web browser in nature anyway...)
It's right Here: Palm PDK Overview

N900 or HD2?

Hi all...
Can anyone offer suggestions here?
I have an N900 (with 48GB of memory)... I used to own an HD2 but sold it as it had a dead pixel and that kind of thing bugs me.
I am in the situation where I can swap my N900 for a nice new HD2.
What to do? What will be better long term, Win7Phone ROMs coming to HD2? MeeGo to N900?
I love the browsing abilities of the N900, but lack of notifications and apps designed for the native screen size.
I love the HUGE screen on the HD2, like the slim design, but it lacks the built in memory, so would need to buy a 32GB microSD when it comes out. Is there a Spotify client?
Looking to do the deal tomorrow so your thoughts would be appreciated.
Paul.

you can use myspot as a spotify client on the HD2 and is so so so so much faster with it's 1GHz processor.

Zac.Santer said:
you can use myspot as a spotify client on the HD2 and is so so so so much faster with it's 1GHz processor.
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OK sounds good... I'm guessing it wouldn't be as "pretty" as the official Android and iPhone apps?
And is it free?

Of course Leo!!
WM OS above any Nokia OS

how about a desire?...with same/better specs than hd2,more friendly OS and android 2.2 coming (which is by the way 2-5 times faster than the current version) i personally think those two don't stand a chance...
and of course nokia sucks...imo
edit: oh sorry i missed the sentence when you said that only those two are on table....i personally don't prefer nokia at all,especially not over htc...especially the one with that caliber

HD2 if only for the capacitive screen.

Stick with HTC and gain all the valued info of XDA

Flip a coin
Heads = HD2
tails = HD2
easy

nosh10 said:
Flip a coin
Heads = HD2
tails = HD2
easy
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lol just buy an hd2 if you have the money.

Stuck with the N900.
I couldn't sacrifice the drop in storage as I carry all my music on my device, along with movies and audiobooks with space to spare.

TheMathMan said:
Stuck with the N900.
I couldn't sacrifice the drop in storage as I carry all my music on my device, along with movies and audiobooks with space to spare.
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your choice
tell us if it's good

TheMathMan said:
Stuck with the N900.
I couldn't sacrifice the drop in storage as I carry all my music on my device, along with movies and audiobooks with space to spare.
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my heart broke a little

marduk79 said:
my heart broke a little
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I'm sorry marduk.
But how can I play all my music and videos without compromise on the move with an HD2?

N900 if u want/expect for MeeGo. N900 wins too in Games, don´t in number but in potential. What is means? Now with PR 1.2, n900 uses the QT 4.6, the same as the new Symbian ^3. So, for developers its easy port games that make in Symbian to Maemo. For now it´s promise 10 games, so far but when N8 comes may be this number goes high. Android comes (by community) to N900, as well its possible (better at the moment than HTC HD2).
HTC HD2, if u want a big and capacitive screen and the possibility to put a lot of ROMs on it, to turns your experience more personal. But WinMO doesn´t provide nothing to use this hardware... And MS, does **** with WinMO 7 so, for me it´s a very bad business.
If u need help with Maemo i´m here, u are don´t alone.

Thanks viperbruno.
I think I'll be a lot more happy when they actually relaunch the OVI store for the N900 with Angry Birds and Zen Bound etc... This was meant to happen yesterday but still waiting!!
I guess I just miss the gorgeous display and the joy of watching videos and reading texts on the HD2. I wish they made 32+GB microSD cards.

OK... back on the idea of changing my N900 to an HD2 / Nexus One. That is my current option.
What are your thoughts on if / when Windows Phone 7 or Android coming to the HD2 versus MeeGo coming to the N900?

TheMathMan said:
OK... back on the idea of changing my N900 to an HD2 / Nexus One. That is my current option.
What are your thoughts on if / when Windows Phone 7 or Android coming to the HD2 versus MeeGo coming to the N900?
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Official what coming:
HTC HD2 - nothing
Nokia n900 - Meego as well (September the final version, beta at July) but without any support from Nokia. Better that nothing.
Unofficial:
HTC HD2 - XDA could make WinMO 7 for with but don't expect a lot from it, it's just my opinion...
Nokia N900 - Could be everything and nothing at the same time, but I have see on Internet that Nokia will turn off Symbian from nseries, and put Meego on it, so I think that is possible to expect a lot from it. To know: Nokia N8 is the last model (from nseries) with Symbian.
My suggestion: Wait a little. HTC will realise new "Pro" models - rumor: a HTC HD2 pro edition - Nokia haves something to say in Augustus (with Symbian ^3 and QT 4.6, it turns easy to port apps to Maemo)...