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Question: How to completely wipe a Tilt?

No, not a ROM flash: I want to completely erase every last piece of data in my Tilt and install the SPL, OS, and radio from scratch.
As far as I can tell, FrankenKaiser will do that, but it (in theory) only works with the radio from hell... which I have, albeit the "_patched" version...
I am trying to work from a clean slate, rather than flash another ROM... trying to clear up a problem that I think can only be fixed by such a drastic move... and of all the posts I've seen, (unless I'm retarded - quite possible) none has addressed such a move. Is FrankenKaiser the solution? If so, do I need to put the radio from hell on first? If it's not the solution, what is? Or is there one at all?
Thank you

drunkbastard said:
No, not a ROM flash: I want to completely erase every last piece of data in my Tilt and install the SPL, OS, and radio from scratch.
As far as I can tell, FrankenKaiser will do that, but it (in theory) only works with the radio from hell... which I have, albeit the "_patched" version...
I am trying to work from a clean slate, rather than flash another ROM... trying to clear up a problem that I think can only be fixed by such a drastic move... and of all the posts I've seen, (unless I'm retarded - quite possible) none has addressed such a move. Is FrankenKaiser the solution? If so, do I need to put the radio from hell on first? If it's not the solution, what is? Or is there one at all?
Thank you
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This is possible, but why?
After you wipe your phone you will be re-flashing the ROM / Radio and SPL anyway.
If you do do this, make sure you read and understand the process (and what the pre-requisites are first).
Ta
Dave

Install Sleuth's V_3.0 WM6.1. I have moddified a version with Jocky to work with that OEMSBL version.
I will PM you with a link for the moddified FrankenKaiser, hey that sounds familiar, ohh yeah, Jocky let me name it!
HOWEVER, I think I'd try a few other things first. Like check the Radio Protocol. On boot does the red protocol version end in H or W? W is not for US & can create issues with 3G. Also, you can try using MTTY with my G3SPL MFG_SPL to fomat a few thing & to flush out Nand blocks. Many things to try before venturing to FK. I know you PM'd me, but I've been a wee bit busy, I'll make a little time if I can help though. Try me on MSN/Live Messenger [email protected] (Even if it says "Offline" give it a try, I may just be lurking)

Protocol ends in H, currently using the Neon 1.58.25.17 radio, I have tried virtually every other 6.1 radio in existence, and about a dozen different ROMs, including the stock AT&T and letting the bloatware install just for poops and giggles. But not the one that you suggested GS, what the hell, one more ROM flash ain't gonna hurt...
I am reticent to think it's a hardware issue because the G and H icons do appear, I just can't get a connection, and it all happened while using the GPS (LiveSearch and HTC GPS Tool specifically). If it was hardware related I would imagine that I wouldn't get the icons, it would just show no service.
Also, the reason I wanted to do a complete whitewash is because, even when installing a new ROM, I have noticed that certain traces and settings remain from days gone by (certain registry settings, POP3 accounts, etc), which I find odd.
I would be interested in the MTTY approach, a link would be appreciated... running out the door now to go play bar manager...
Sorry GS, didn't wanna seem impatient, just trying to get a wider input as to a solution, so I can (a) fix mine and (b) maybe suggest to others (a bunch from what I've seen, here and elsewhere) with the same problem, rather than everyone sending them to AT&T / HTC for replacements.
Personally, I think that the 3G issue is some corruption somewhere in the phone's firmware that a ROM/radio/SPL change doesn't affect, and - as much as I hate to invoke such people - the guys at AT&T that looked at it believed the same, didn't think it was an antenna issue (although the widespread belief is that it IS, and furthermore that anyone working at AT&T is a dolt - which IS usually the case). Far be it from me to be naive, but one would think that if this was as widespread a problem as it is and was hardware related that there would be a recall, which there hasn't been.
Again, thanks to everyone for their assistance.

So, I guess the next question is... how do I use MTTY to, as GSLEON suggested, flush out the bad blocks?
Again, thanks in advance to anyone who can help me.

go ahead and read up on this post. It will explain everything for you...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=371154&highlight=MTTY

drunkbastard said:
No, not a ROM flash: I want to completely erase every last piece of data in my Tilt and install the SPL, OS, and radio from scratch.
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Thank you
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You could try this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neutron_bomb
No seriously, which way do you flash a rom ?
Just flash and basta? Flash and HR after that ? Have tryed with a different computer /os ? From SD card ? I had some reminiscent traces of previous roms if I didn't hard resetted after the flash.

Dredd67 said:
You could try this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neutron_bomb
No seriously, which way do you flash a rom ?
Just flash and basta? Flash and HR after that ? Have tryed with a different computer /os ? From SD card ? I had some reminiscent traces of previous roms if I didn't hard resetted after the flash.
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Thought about it, but motherf*%$# Al-Qaida has made getting my hands on one so difficult.
I flash from a WinXP PC, have not tried another one because this is the only one I can get my grubby little hands on, flash / HR. Have not tried from SD card. I have had traces of old ROMs as well - I tired using PDAUltimate v6 and still had the splash screen from Garmin 4.4c... odd... that and other incidents of remnants of ROMs gone by.

You may want to check here and see if there is anything that may apply. (This is coming from someone that had a 3G failure.)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=400610&highlight=JohnJonsten

drunkbastard said:
I am reticent to think it's a hardware issue because the G and H icons do appear, I just can't get a connection
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Well, that IS the usual behavior when the radio hardware goes poof, many people including myself experienced it. In the end GPS failed too on mine, as well as the GSM radio, and the phone was always running hot and draining batteries extremely quickly.
See the link posted by John.

The quick and dirty of it is....
1. The Icon lighting up means the radio and protocol is correct to talk on the correct 3G bands in your area
2. From what I have been able to gleen on how the 3G signaling works (not an expert here) it is basically GSM signaling for the UMTS/HSDPA Voice/data path buildup.
3. It is most interesting to go to an area that has non PCS band 3g, use field test to verify this if you want, you can lock your phone on edge and use voice and data 850, but will not be able to build up a UMTS/HSDPA connection on 3G. You need to go to a non PCS area as I have seen for the most part in Seattle they run the edge net on 850 and 3G on PCS frequencies.
kilrah said:
Well, that IS the usual behavior when the radio hardware goes poof, many people including myself experienced it. In the end GPS failed too on mine, as well as the GSM radio, and the phone was always running hot and draining batteries extremely quickly.
See the link posted by John.
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Orbit 2 ROMs and Tomtom

I have just upgraded from O2 XDA Orbit 1 to 2 and would like to update the ROM, would like to get some advice before I do...
can I use the WWE 6.1 Update from HTC to update and "de-brand" my phone or do I need to use the O2 version ?
I was using Artemis Touch 3.0.1 Lite (With Mobile 6.1) on my old phone, and i love the look and the functionality of it, I was hoping the Orbit 2 was the same sort of thing but quicker and more stable, from a lot of posts here it seems that isn't the case ? Is there a cooked ROM that is as stable and functional as 3.0.1 Lite or should I stick with the factory ROM ?
What about Tomtom ? Version 6.01 does everything I want, is there any point in going to 7, ie fresher maps or whatever ?
What are peoples recommendations for making sure the jog dial rubber ring stays in place ? Is it worth pulling it off and fixing it on with superglue or gasket silicone or something else ?
Also, should I hang on to my old Orbit for a few weeks - just in case ...
looking forward to spending some more time on XDA-devs..
GF

If i were you i would go definitely to orbit 2, its fast and has every fetaures that you will need day by day.
You can flash cooked rooms to your taste.
About the tomtom, yes its worth upgrading too, the new tomtom7 has more improvements, and the maps are more detailed and more updated. Im going just to warn you , DONT REQUEST NO MAPS in this forum you will get banned.

good point
mikeisback69 said:
If i were you i would go definitely to orbit 2, its fast and has every fetaures that you will need day by day.
You can flash cooked rooms to your taste.
About the tomtom, yes its worth upgrading too, the new tomtom7 has more improvements, and the maps are more detailed and more updated. Im going just to warn you , DONT REQUEST NO MAPS in this forum you will get banned.
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yes warez are no allowed @ this forum
welcome to the forum

Well thanks for the info. I did get my Orbit 2... and surprise surprise the rubber ring ws missing...
And so I started on a painful run of trying to get a nice clean ROM similar to Meschle's Touch ROM on the Orbit. I chose an older ROM, Bepe's (Polaris_WWE_0.67_Standard_bepe) and thought hell, in for a penny, Id upate the Radio at the same time , as trawling through this forum heard good reports about the recent update Polaris_Radio_1.64.08.21 . Well I have now reflashed about 15 times, 3 different ROMs and 5 different Radios, trying to get one which WORKED... I mean it all looked good but either reception was awful or the speaker would buzz horribly, and the speaker would go off altogether. I went through all the radios, then went back to O2's original 6.1 update, and even then something was up with the reception/speaker. I thought that I had been sold a lemon. I thought ah hell lets try one of the recent ROMS, I had happened to download Syrius R4, and fook me, what a piece of work, and I love the Manila, all I can say is congratulations on an amazing ROM. I don't care for clean any more. I will even live with the dodgy looking clock. Because it is like the eye-phone in that it just works, and its all just logical, I love it ! Even text entry is superb with the new QWERTY keyboard. The radio is now at 1.59.42.15, and that seems rock solid, gps fix times are good, TT7 up and running, migrated traffic from old machine, came back here to say thanks udK !!
Oh yeah and after using the phone for 1 day I managed to crack the digitizer , in the top right corner, but it all seems to be working fine, I won't be forking out £60 for the repair till I REALLY need to...
gf

Thank to hear you that everythng it sorted out. its really a magnificent mobile. Do you till got that buzzy sound from the speaker? And that about the digitalizer thats bad, cause its more fragile now, if you have the mobile in your pocket and you apply more pressure u can break the rest of it

Question on the radio

Hey guys and experts,
I was browsing through the forums and I came accross the radio thread. I'm extremely confused with it and I'd also like to improve the performance of my 3G and all that. I've been looking around the site but I haven't found anything like an instruction or guide on how to do all that stuff. So I'd like to get some help from you guys if you don't mind.
1) First of all, in regards to version numbers, higher number does not mean it's better right? My radio version is 1.02.25.32 and my 3g reception is spotty and so are my calls sometimes.
2)Another question is, due to the fuze being my first winmo phone ever, when you guys mean security unlock, do you mean the phone being able to use any sim card from any carrier or does it carry a deeper/different meaning. I did get my phone unlocked by calling ATT and asking them for the code in which I provide the IMEI and they gave me a code, the problem is, I'm not sure if it's the same "unlock" that you guys are talking about. (the radio thread said something about having the word security unlocked on the tricolor boot screen, but my phone has the stock ATT rom in it, so I suspect that it might now show)
3) I'm probably inept at searching through forums so I couldn't find any thread that has full instructions on how to change the radios and all that. I'm wondering if anyone can point me to such a thread on how to do that.
I do apologize for such a long post and also the possibility of this question/request being asked already. If you do read through to here, thank you for your time, I'd appreciate any help that is provided.

Higher doesn't necessarily mean better. The poll results give a pretty good indication of overall happiness with any given radio. Based on that, I ditched .32 for .28.
Security unlock is more than SIM unlock. In addition to being sim-free, a security unlocked device can load the radio ROM from another device family.
Check the flashing guides. Essentially, you must load hard-SPL first. That allows you to freely load radios and roms. Always do your research before loading a radio rom though! Radios are the hottest battleground of the spy vs. spy games played by Operators and XDA developers. Operators don't want you changing radios or ROMs and they are always coming up with software that won't allow itself to be changed. If you flash a radio on that has this issue you could be stuck with it. So far, I don't believe any of the radios in the radio thread have issues. You must security unlock before flashing any non Raphael radio however.

Gotcha. Thank you so much for taking the time to reply to me. I'm going to test out a different radio so that maybe I can get better reception. I spend most of my time on edge for some reason.
EDIT: I just noticed that installing HardSPL will clear my PDA of all data. I'm wondering if Sprite Back up is good enough as a backup program or do you suggest something else. I did a bunch of tweaking on my fuze like the PTT remap, camera tweak, network selection, etc etc.

Oh, I did forget to ask what's the favorite back up software for the XDA forum goers. I'm looking for a software that will back up all the tweaks and stuff that I did to the pda before I run HardSPL

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1 last bump.
Suggestion on back up softwares please?

I don't think HardSPL clears your phone of all programs and data. That said, I tried to search on that to be sure but couldn't find any confirmation.
Obviously, flashing a ROM will definitely clear all data.
Dunno about flashing a new radio.

There was a particular warning on backing up your data before flashing HardSPL, so I wanted to be on the safe side, the main thing now is that I'd like to find a back up software that will back everything up (registry changes, programs installed, various settings) pretty much everything I did.

Rogers mandatory update - Data status

Hello;
I'm wondering if people could post their status for the data so that those of us who don't have data have something to tell Rogers.
My status is that Rogers won't do the Network Refresh - I've called and spoken to about half a dozen people (both in data and not) and there is obviously a memo as none are willing to do it. I've requested escalation but have not heard back.
They are insisting that even if the refresh did work, it could also revert and no longer work -- can anyone confirm whether or not they have lost data since getting their refresh?
They have also told me that they can't do the refresh for technical reasons, they've told me that the refresh won't do anything since the tower won't communicate with my phone until I put their update as it won't be compatible. So basically I'm getting the run-around ... no surprise.
I'm also on a "master ticket" which they claim only have 40 people on it - seems to me that this board has more than 40 people, so maybe there's only 40 of us that are modded and can't otherwise get data.
I'm on 1.6 now, but obviously if I can't get the data back I'll look at CursorSense32A since from what I'm reading here that seems to be the only one that reliably works w/o Rogers intervention.
Here's my current details:
Firmware version 1.6
cyanogenmod 4.2.13
Build DRC92
Baseband 62.52S.20.18H_3.22.20.17
Kernel 2.6.;29.6-cm42
SAPPHIRE PVT 32A SHIP S-ON H
HBOOT-1.33.0009 (SAPP50000)
CPLD-12
RADIO-3.22.20.17
May 8 2009, 21:02:32

What is from development in your post?

Hello 5[Strogino];
My apologies if this is in the wrong area: I put it here as this thread Rogers Mandatory Update is here as well. I did look to see if there was another forum and thought maybe "Software and Hacking General" but it says no noobs and as this is my second post I'm pretty sure I qualify.
I'm really just trying to get a single location where those of us who are/were affected by the mandatory update can post our current status. The original thread has a lot of people posting a lot of different scenarios and there is a lot of time covered in that thread so it's difficult to tell if people had it working, lost connectivity etc.
So with that goal in mind, can you suggest an alternate location for this thread and either maybe you can get it moved (as a sr. member?), or I can repost it there.
Thanks.

I had no data for almost a week. I then upgraded to 6.35.10.18 Radio and 1.76.2007 SPL, and then installed cursorsense rom.
My data returned within about 36 hours.
Lee

Flash the 6.x radio and 1.76 end SPL and then this ROM
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=592856
It has the rogers radio.When data returns, you can revert to 3.xx radio.

bcrook said:
Flash the 6.x radio and 1.76 end SPL and then this ROM
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=592856
It has the rogers radio.When data returns, you can revert to 3.xx radio.
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LOL
Are you still giving out this bull**** advice?
HERES THE REAL SOLUTION
1. Call Customer Care *611 : Say cancel my service to get to a rep without saying anything else
2. Tell them youve updated to the newest rom and that your data isnt working ( they shouldnt ask any questions really just tell them it was from the website)
3. They will perform a resend to switch which will disconnect you from the call
4. Reboot phone and you will have data
NO NEED TO FLASH ANYTHING
5. Have Data faster than what the above solution is telling you
I can confirm this works on both rooted dreams and magics as i own both and have friends with dreams
data has not been lost once
If customer care gives you a hard time request their manager
The manager should coach them to do the data restore or hell do it himself
If the manager is a douche and wont do it (sometimes this happens)
just tell him u want to cancel because of this
they should be able to do it to prevent you from canceling your service i would think
honestly ive never had a problem finding a rep to do it in 5 seconds
just hang up if you get an idiot and try again ;P
Customer relations and customer care and the escalation support group all have access to the network refresh
If you want a manager they can resend to switch
If you want to cancel you are transferred to customer relations
who can resend to switch
AND the people that you talk to customer care can too
If your talking to tech support they are retarded
The customer care policy from a senior customer care agents mouth " Our reference says to do the resend to switch to refresh the network to restore data"

hey alan090;
I've been trying that for a week -- I'm sure this worked earlier, but this 'hack' appears to be closed. They seem to know not to do this both in the regular wireless as well as the data divisions.
Has anyone installed cursorsense and not gotten their data back?
Question #2:
Are people who have data via network refresh still getting the texts and calls to tell them they need to update?

On Amon RA's 1.6.3 Donut ROM. Had no data for about 24 hours, used the live support and got it back with a network refresh. Have had it even since. Never flashed the new radio or any new ROM. Still getting texts and calls though, quite annoying.

dmod5585 said:
hey alan090;
I've been trying that for a week -- I'm sure this worked earlier, but this 'hack' appears to be closed. They seem to know not to do this both in the regular wireless as well as the data divisions.
Has anyone installed cursorsense and not gotten their data back?
Question #2:
Are people who have data via network refresh still getting the texts and calls to tell them they need to update?
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They have not closed it as this is the procedure they have to follow to give you your data back after 24h
still able to do it and just explain u updated on the weekend
if they want build info, find the build info

alan090 said:
LOL
Are you still giving out this bull**** advice?
HERES THE REAL SOLUTION...
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We all know a network refresh can get our data back. However, we don't know if it is a permanent solution. Rogers can disable phones that have the old radio again any time they like.
On top of that, getting someone to actually do the refresh is a major PITA, something I certainly am not willing to do. Calling in repeatedly to get someone who will do it is not my idea of fun.
I'd prefer to update the phone to the radio they are looking for, and then I can load on any rom I want.
I'd suggest you don't put down others suggestions, especially since they seem to work for everyone. We know the refresh works, and this method works too.

GreenEnvy said:
We all know a network refresh can get our data back. However, we don't know if it is a permanent solution. Rogers can disable phones that have the old radio again any time they like.
On top of that, getting someone to actually do the refresh is a major PITA, something I certainly am not willing to do. Calling in repeatedly to get someone who will do it is not my idea of fun.
I'd prefer to update the phone to the radio they are looking for, and then I can load on any rom I want.
I'd suggest you don't put down others suggestions, especially since they seem to work for everyone. We know the refresh works, and this method works too.
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The refresh is permanent and is the PROPER method
If the Radio works thats just luck
I KNOW agents personally in customer care
I just chatted with them last night
and This is what needs to be done
Changing radio and rom for the data back is too much work even if it does work
The network refresh works for everyone
This method has not been 100% conclusive since people have flashed it and it still does nothing to bring data back

alan090 said:
The refresh is permanent and is the PROPER method
If the Radio works thats just luck
I KNOW agents personally in customer care
I just chatted with them last night
and This is what needs to be done
Changing radio and rom for the data back is too much work even if it does work
The network refresh works for everyone
This method has not been 100% conclusive since people have flashed it and it still does nothing to bring data back
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Flashing the radio is the conclusive way to bring radio back.
If you have any idea who bcrook is you would give some credit to his advice, because he is one of the ones on xda who knows his stuff about the technical aspects of things.
After flashing the radio image, I have not received any more texts or phone calls from Rogers.
Flashing the radio is very simple. You just have to make sure you do it right. I also received a network refresh, but flashing the radio is the permanent solution.
So yes. Do your network refresh. If you can, flash your radio too.

So for those who upgraded to CursorSense basically needs to stay with this ROM forever? I like this ROM but I'd like to be able to upgrade to some version of 2.x in the near future...

xaueious said:
Flashing the radio is the conclusive way to bring radio back.
If you have any idea who bcrook is you would give some credit to his advice, because he is one of the ones on xda who knows his stuff about the technical aspects of things.
After flashing the radio image, I have not received any more texts or phone calls from Rogers.
Flashing the radio is very simple. You just have to make sure you do it right. I also received a network refresh, but flashing the radio is the permanent solution.
So yes. Do your network refresh. If you can, flash your radio too.
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Ive had people on the same radios from day one with their data back
VERIFIED never touched the rogers radio and *gasp* still have data
notice you had the resend to switch as well as the radio? do you think if you didnt flash the radio it would not work magically? no it still will
you can still use the stock 1.5 image with no updates to ANYTHING and get your data back
think what you want im just trying to help you guys get your data
spend 24-48 hours waiting before you actually follow what I said to get your data back as the radio step is completely unnecessary
Oh BTW regarding those texts and/or phone calls
so dont feel special because they stopped sending them to me on my v3 radio too

Alan,
I manage 15 or so Rogers phones at work, and the only people who got texts and calls about it were our dream and magic users. The other 11 or so people did not get any messages.
Rogers would have identified who to alerts/disable by either:
a)IMEI on your account
b)doing a scan for certain phones.
"a" is much more likely, as otherwise they would pickup non-rogers customers who happened to be in a Rogers area when the scan was done.

GreenEnvy said:
Alan,
I manage 15 or so Rogers phones at work, and the only people who got texts and calls about it were our dream and magic users. The other 11 or so people did not get any messages.
Rogers would have identified who to alerts/disable by either:
a)IMEI on your account
b)doing a scan for certain phones.
"a" is much more likely, as otherwise they would pickup non-rogers customers who happened to be in a Rogers area when the scan was done.
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Ill check on that
I thought I had gotten reports from some people that they had gotten them on non-dreams
Ill check on my account that only has a lg xenon on it

alan090 said:
LOL
Are you still giving out this bull**** advice?
HERES THE REAL SOLUTION
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So wait, let me get this straight...
Upgrading to the files they are looking for is "bull**** advice"
The REAL solution is calling into Rogers, threatening to cancel your account to get a network refresh?
I myself called Tech Support and Customer Care for about a week asking for a network refresh and never got one. The days that I did, nothing happened when I rebooted my phone. Eventually I just upgreaded the Radio to 1.76 and installed the default Rom (But I still have access to fastboot for future flashes). Withen about 36 hours my phone had data again.
Threatening to cancel you account is a stupid way to get data back. It's an equivilent to throwing a tempertantrum because your mom said "No more cookies unless you do your homework". Screw doing the homework, cry and tell them you'll run away is the REAL SOLUTION

Non radio rom?

I had the idea the other day that it might be nice to have a rom for the hero with the phone parts stripped out. I plan to upgrade to the Evo in a couple of months but thought I'd still want to use my hero in an ipod touch kinda way. Maybe this is a stupid idea, but I thought I'd through it out there. Seems like the logical next step for discontinued phones. Anyway....
Sent from my Hero CDMA using Tapatalk

Luckydog666 said:
I had the idea the other day that it might be nice to have a rom for the hero with the phone parts stripped out. I plan to upgrade to the Evo in a couple of months but thought I'd still want to use my hero in an ipod touch kinda way. Maybe this is a stupid idea, but I thought I'd through it out there. Seems like the logical next step for discontinued phones. Anyway....
Sent from my Hero CDMA using Tapatalk
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Just buy the new $160 android tablet from K-mart and sell me your old hero

why is this necessary? if you disconnect it from your plan the phone won't work. if you enable wifi and its connected it won't bother trying to talk to the mobile network for data. The modem will be in standby mode for voice calls but that shouldn't eat much power. If you don't need data turn on airplane mode.
Just delete the apks for phone stuff, phone.apk mms.apk etc etc..

Airplane mode.
I'm actually surprised that there isn't a clear-cut method for turning off *just* the cellular radio.

I guess I didn't think about airplane mode (which is a good idea) but, I guess I was more talking about removing the all the phone stuff like the third poster above said. If you think about it, pretty soon there is going to be a whole lot of mini computers dying a slow death in peoples junk drawers. A lot of these use the same processors, if you removed the cellular element, how many phones could a rom run on? I don't know, but someone on here knows. Like I said, this might just be a lame idea, I spend a large amount of time driving at work, so I have plenty of stupid idea time.

nevermind my genpad is bricked

x99percent said:
I'm actually surprised that there isn't a clear-cut method for turning off *just* the cellular radio.
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that's something I reaaaaaally miss from my WinMo days...

+1 to the idea. Whenever we get new phones, the other one is left to rot, just because it can't function as a phone anymore, even though there's so much more to it. I have a collection of old Treos and Blackberrys, along woth a Palm Pilot or two, which still work perfectly, minus the cellular radio.