I can't seem to figure out why but when I try to run one program go to another application and keep the first one running, the first app ends up closing about 30 seconds later. Anyone else experience this? very frustrating.
I am using a HTC Mogul with WM 6 wktask, bunch of spb software
berardi said:
I can't seem to figure out why but when I try to run one program go to another application and keep the first one running, the first app ends up closing about 30 seconds later. Anyone else experience this? very frustrating.
I am using a HTC Mogul with WM 6 wktask, bunch of spb software
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As has aslo been pointed out in several of my articles / tutorials, this is how the OS works. Unfortunately, it can't really be fixed.
A way to go might be making sure you have the as much RAM and as few running apps (processes) as possible before starting the second app.
Menneisyys said:
As has aslo been pointed out in several of my articles / tutorials, this is how the OS works. Unfortunately, it can't really be fixed.
A way to go might be making sure you have the as much RAM and as few running apps (processes) as possible before starting the second app.
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It's strange - I never had this happen before and I've had the phone since June. I could open up like 10 apps and have the memory at 5 and no problems just slow.
I start with 21 ram open IM+ and then IE... should be enough.
Weird though now I can't replicate the problem. Oh well!
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This may be a daft question but do I need to keep killing apps so they do not use resources? I have installed a 16gb card in my HTC Hero and if I run music I note a slow down which goes when i force quit an app.
Have I misunderstood how the android os manages tasks? Any light happily recieved on this issue... thanks.
Well android i believe kills apps itself sometimes but it depends how you exit it.
Atleast on my MT3g there is some lag while music player is going even if all tasks are killed...less of crouse if i make sure they are but still. Sometimes i catch pandora or gallery or browser still in background so it always helps to kill them. Best app for that is Es Task manager - from all ones i tried this one works best.
Also your microsd card size wont make phone any faster if thats what you think, Also look into maybe some ROMs if you want your hero to be faster. I know Cyanogens rom for mt3g makes phone much quicker then t-mobile/google roms.
thanks. I think I am going to move to a G2 anyway. The HTC is too limited with Android 1.5
Phone : HTC Universal (unmodded, 64MB)
ROM : Tomal 8.50
Not sure why, could be a free ram issue, but lately it seems to have stopped multitasking in an odd way. E.g. I'm in internet explorer, select some text, copy, open notes, new note, paste, ok. But IE has magically closed itself in the background by the time i've done this and i can't switch back! Most apps seem to do it, e.g. google maps, opera too, as soon as i use one app for more than a few seconds any others that are not in focus close silently.
Dont think i have any aggressive demons running, the rom is pretty much as is apart from a couple of today plugins!
I had the same problem, but only after I installed Opera. I don't know whether it's really Opera that's the culprit or not, but since I want to use it anyway, I searched for solution and this little app http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=5711787 seems to do the trick - no more programs closing in the background.
Thanks, only installed opera a few days ago, must be doing odd things to my system, will give AutoClose patch a try tho, thanks!
Just FYI, though it may not be the reason for the OP, I have heard this being said about Opera a lot of times, I've not checked but my gut feeling really is it has something to do with it.
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madnish30.
so i found out how to force close apps under settings but theres gotta be a better way.
for example lets say i have browser, market, and facebook apps open. all showing under the window selection button. after time i get a ton of windows there and i don't want all of them open. how do i close them selectively without going through all the settings menu crud?
some apps let me close from within, most don't though and leave me stuck with a ton of windows (apps) open.
What you are asking isn't necessary unless an application has malfunctioned. There is no other way to close applications other than using the force close button in settings. Android handles this itself -- if this doesn't satisfy you download a task manager.
I don't think there is a way yet.
What Google needs to do is make those preview windows in the multitasking bar long-pressable for a menu to be able to close them.
modru2004 said:
so i found out how to force close apps under settings but theres gotta be a better way.
for example lets say i have browser, market, and facebook apps open. all showing under the window selection button. after time i get a ton of windows there and i don't want all of them open. how do i close them selectively without going through all the settings menu crud?
some apps let me close from within, most don't though and leave me stuck with a ton of windows (apps) open.
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There is no need to manually close out apps. Since 2.1, Android has done an excellent job managing memory. It's been written many times (some directly from Google) that micromanaging your apps will actually hurt battery performance. You'll essentially be working against the system as opposed to helping it.
I am not sure if my task manager is working on this device. I use AutoKiller and when I killed task it doesn't appear as though anything closes. Can somebody confirm?
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There is no need to manually close out apps. Since 2.1, Android has done an excellent job managing memory. It's been written many times (some directly from Google) that micromanaging your apps will actually hurt battery performance. You'll essentially be working against the system as opposed to helping it.
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id like to point out thats NOT the issue.
the issue is the ton of windows you end up having to sort through unless you close them. its a quality of life thing, i don't like having unused unnecessary windows open that i have to sort through to get to the stuff i am using. its just bad form.
foldog22 said:
I am not sure if my task manager is working on this device. I use AutoKiller and when I killed task it doesn't appear as though anything closes. Can somebody confirm?
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It will most likely not work until its rewritten. The way 2.2 and now 3.0 allow access is completely different then 2.1 and below. Plus as said about 200 million task there is 0 reason to run a task killer. If you wanna clear them out, even though there is 0 reason, reboot.
Okay, I get the memory management issue, but as the OP pointed out, I've got all sorts of icons in the "task bar area" (bottom right hand corner) that just sit there or keep coming back.
For example, I haven't listened to any music on my Xoom since yesterday morning, yet I've got an icon down there for Music and Rhapsody. Also, there's no way to clear some notifications.
There's got to be a way to at least clear out the notification isn't there?
you tap on the little icon music for example and you will see a little x on the right of it, click that and it closes it from the notification system
There is absolutely no reason to use a task killer or manually kill tasks. 2.2, 2.3, 3.0, etc. handle memory and tasks extremely well. In many cases, task killers will only cost you more battery and more slowdowns than letting tasks just run out and sit in memory. Unless you're seeing rogue or malfunctioning tasks in the background causing slowdowns, there is no need to kill them.
I do wish you could scroll through the recent running apps rather than only being able to access the latest 5, but spam closing background apps doesnt help at all.
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I don't think there is a way yet.
What Google needs to do is make those preview windows in the multitasking bar long-pressable for a menu to be able to close them.
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While I haven't used a task manager since I started learning how android actually works last year when starting to make apps, I can't help but want the same thing in honeycomb for malfunctioning apps. I think google left it out intentionally to discourage task-killing rampages by oblivious users.
Every time I read "you do not need to close apps" I want to scream. first hour of usage I had a second browser installed and it and the stock browser were conflicting with each other... all I wanted to do was a quick close of one of the browsers.
There are always a multitude of good reasons to want to close a background app. I completely understand the technical reasons why an app does not need to be closed, but from a user experience point of view, it should be made simple.
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Every time I read "you do not need to close apps" I want to scream. first hour of usage I had a second browser installed and it and the stock browser were conflicting with each other... all I wanted to do was a quick close of one of the browsers.
There are always a multitude of good reasons to want to close a background app. I completely understand the technical reasons why an app does not need to be closed, but from a user experience point of view, it should be made simple.
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Which is exactly why in my first post I said "...isn't necessary unless an application has malfunctioned" otherwise such a thing is barely necessary. And in your case, the classic "Settings > ....... > Force Close" would have easily sufficed.
So what you are saying is that a method to kill tasks is necessary, just not often. I, for instance, just had the xda app stuck on the splash screen. I killed it and restarted the app and all was good. There is a potential for harm if used over zealously but at times it would be nice if there was a more convenient way to close an app when necessary.
Applications do not always behave as they should so to say there is no need to kill am app is making a naive assumption that every android app is perfect.
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martonikaj said:
I do wish you could scroll through the recent running apps rather than only being able to access the latest 5, but spam closing background apps doesnt help at all.
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Oddly enough, if you turn to portrait, you get a few more. So, technically its not a hard limit on 5, but rather (literally) limited by space on the screen.
Anyone want to place a bet as to what rev we see scrollability?
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JanetPanic said:
So what you are saying is that a method to kill tasks is necessary, just not often. I, for instance, just had the xda app stuck on the splash screen. I killed it and restarted the app and all was good. There is a potential for harm if used over zealously but at times it would be nice if there was a more convenient way to close an app when necessary.
Applications do not always behave as they should so to say there is no need to kill am app is making a naive assumption that every android app is perfect.
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If this happens use the built in task killer, settings/applications/running tab.
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If this happens use the built in task killer, settings/applications/running tab.
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I did and it worked. As I said it would be nice to have a more convenient way of force stopping apps that are not behaving.
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Closing apps isn't necessary for two reasons.
1. Android does a good job at managing apps on its own.
2. You have 1GB of RAM to work with.
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Watchdog does a considerable job since it only lets you know when an app is misbehaving. And since being on 2.3 its barely given me any alerts. Perhaps further proving the awesome memory management.
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Why do apps close on their own in Honeycomb? I want things like the browser or connectbot to run indefinitely and they seem to close by themselves. I lose tabs and browsing sessions to this behavior and while I understand that while app crashes just happen without warning, I don't think that this is what's happening. Is there any way to force things to stay open in the background?
This is how android handles memory. If you "back" out of an app generally it goes away. If you hit home or flip to another app then typically the app you are moving away from will stay resident until android thinks it needs more memory for more recent apps. The better apps will save their state when they get shutdown and restore it when restarted.
Yes multitasking in android is pretty bad.
They don't even save state, they just start over most of the time. I knew about the backing out bit but this seems even more random and more crappy than the iPad 2 and that was bad. What (if any) tools exist to keep this from happening? I'd like to at least have a keepalive for the browser app.
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They don't even save state, they just start over most of the time. I knew about the backing out bit but this seems even more random and more crappy than the iPad 2 and that was bad. What (if any) tools exist to keep this from happening? I'd like to at least have a keepalive for the browser app.
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Try another browser..i don't know in the stock browser, but Dolphin and Opera keeps the browser session when I switch an app or go to home and then reopen the browser..
They keeps the pages I was looking..
Have a look at my new post should help ya
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