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so i found out how to force close apps under settings but theres gotta be a better way.
for example lets say i have browser, market, and facebook apps open. all showing under the window selection button. after time i get a ton of windows there and i don't want all of them open. how do i close them selectively without going through all the settings menu crud?
some apps let me close from within, most don't though and leave me stuck with a ton of windows (apps) open.
What you are asking isn't necessary unless an application has malfunctioned. There is no other way to close applications other than using the force close button in settings. Android handles this itself -- if this doesn't satisfy you download a task manager.
I don't think there is a way yet.
What Google needs to do is make those preview windows in the multitasking bar long-pressable for a menu to be able to close them.
modru2004 said:
so i found out how to force close apps under settings but theres gotta be a better way.
for example lets say i have browser, market, and facebook apps open. all showing under the window selection button. after time i get a ton of windows there and i don't want all of them open. how do i close them selectively without going through all the settings menu crud?
some apps let me close from within, most don't though and leave me stuck with a ton of windows (apps) open.
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There is no need to manually close out apps. Since 2.1, Android has done an excellent job managing memory. It's been written many times (some directly from Google) that micromanaging your apps will actually hurt battery performance. You'll essentially be working against the system as opposed to helping it.
I am not sure if my task manager is working on this device. I use AutoKiller and when I killed task it doesn't appear as though anything closes. Can somebody confirm?
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There is no need to manually close out apps. Since 2.1, Android has done an excellent job managing memory. It's been written many times (some directly from Google) that micromanaging your apps will actually hurt battery performance. You'll essentially be working against the system as opposed to helping it.
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id like to point out thats NOT the issue.
the issue is the ton of windows you end up having to sort through unless you close them. its a quality of life thing, i don't like having unused unnecessary windows open that i have to sort through to get to the stuff i am using. its just bad form.
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I am not sure if my task manager is working on this device. I use AutoKiller and when I killed task it doesn't appear as though anything closes. Can somebody confirm?
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It will most likely not work until its rewritten. The way 2.2 and now 3.0 allow access is completely different then 2.1 and below. Plus as said about 200 million task there is 0 reason to run a task killer. If you wanna clear them out, even though there is 0 reason, reboot.
Okay, I get the memory management issue, but as the OP pointed out, I've got all sorts of icons in the "task bar area" (bottom right hand corner) that just sit there or keep coming back.
For example, I haven't listened to any music on my Xoom since yesterday morning, yet I've got an icon down there for Music and Rhapsody. Also, there's no way to clear some notifications.
There's got to be a way to at least clear out the notification isn't there?
you tap on the little icon music for example and you will see a little x on the right of it, click that and it closes it from the notification system
There is absolutely no reason to use a task killer or manually kill tasks. 2.2, 2.3, 3.0, etc. handle memory and tasks extremely well. In many cases, task killers will only cost you more battery and more slowdowns than letting tasks just run out and sit in memory. Unless you're seeing rogue or malfunctioning tasks in the background causing slowdowns, there is no need to kill them.
I do wish you could scroll through the recent running apps rather than only being able to access the latest 5, but spam closing background apps doesnt help at all.
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I don't think there is a way yet.
What Google needs to do is make those preview windows in the multitasking bar long-pressable for a menu to be able to close them.
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While I haven't used a task manager since I started learning how android actually works last year when starting to make apps, I can't help but want the same thing in honeycomb for malfunctioning apps. I think google left it out intentionally to discourage task-killing rampages by oblivious users.
Every time I read "you do not need to close apps" I want to scream. first hour of usage I had a second browser installed and it and the stock browser were conflicting with each other... all I wanted to do was a quick close of one of the browsers.
There are always a multitude of good reasons to want to close a background app. I completely understand the technical reasons why an app does not need to be closed, but from a user experience point of view, it should be made simple.
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Every time I read "you do not need to close apps" I want to scream. first hour of usage I had a second browser installed and it and the stock browser were conflicting with each other... all I wanted to do was a quick close of one of the browsers.
There are always a multitude of good reasons to want to close a background app. I completely understand the technical reasons why an app does not need to be closed, but from a user experience point of view, it should be made simple.
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Which is exactly why in my first post I said "...isn't necessary unless an application has malfunctioned" otherwise such a thing is barely necessary. And in your case, the classic "Settings > ....... > Force Close" would have easily sufficed.
So what you are saying is that a method to kill tasks is necessary, just not often. I, for instance, just had the xda app stuck on the splash screen. I killed it and restarted the app and all was good. There is a potential for harm if used over zealously but at times it would be nice if there was a more convenient way to close an app when necessary.
Applications do not always behave as they should so to say there is no need to kill am app is making a naive assumption that every android app is perfect.
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I do wish you could scroll through the recent running apps rather than only being able to access the latest 5, but spam closing background apps doesnt help at all.
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Oddly enough, if you turn to portrait, you get a few more. So, technically its not a hard limit on 5, but rather (literally) limited by space on the screen.
Anyone want to place a bet as to what rev we see scrollability?
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So what you are saying is that a method to kill tasks is necessary, just not often. I, for instance, just had the xda app stuck on the splash screen. I killed it and restarted the app and all was good. There is a potential for harm if used over zealously but at times it would be nice if there was a more convenient way to close an app when necessary.
Applications do not always behave as they should so to say there is no need to kill am app is making a naive assumption that every android app is perfect.
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If this happens use the built in task killer, settings/applications/running tab.
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If this happens use the built in task killer, settings/applications/running tab.
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I did and it worked. As I said it would be nice to have a more convenient way of force stopping apps that are not behaving.
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Closing apps isn't necessary for two reasons.
1. Android does a good job at managing apps on its own.
2. You have 1GB of RAM to work with.
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Watchdog does a considerable job since it only lets you know when an app is misbehaving. And since being on 2.3 its barely given me any alerts. Perhaps further proving the awesome memory management.
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So I've seen a lot of tossing back and forth on the issue. So having the task killer running less battery efficient than just closing out of some programs?
Many people will tell you "of course!" while other will say "how could you!?" This is a pretty long read, but it gives you many good reasons why you should not be using one. Personally I do not, but I'll occasionally kill poorly written apps that don't close and use the processor/battery.
Android is doing a great job managing tasks on its own, no need for battery-draining apps.
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The thing to do is do some extensive reading and decide for yourself. I have decided against it. Android does a good job of memory management. If you have a problem app, you can stop it with the device's own method.
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I personally do not use one, but I can say if I found an app to easily force close one app at a time I would probably use it. Maybe one with a favorites list or something. The stock method to force close a troublesome app is rather annoying IMO because it takes forever to find the right one in the huge list of apps, and I have some apps, Pandora is the most common, that occasionally will freeze when going out of range of WiFi while trying to connect, or when the app is in the recently used list for a long time.
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I personally do not use one, but I can say if I found an app to easily force close one app at a time I would probably use it. Maybe one with a favorites list or something. The stock method to force close a troublesome app is rather annoying IMO because it takes forever to find the right one in the huge list of apps, and I have some apps, Pandora is the most common, that occasionally will freeze when going out of range of WiFi while trying to connect, or when the app is in the recently used list for a long time.
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I use "Where's my droid power" (without quotes, of course). In this, it's rather easy to find any app you've run.
Hit the app you want, and hit details. That opens the screen to force close, clear cache, etc.
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I use "Where's my droid power" (without quotes, of course). In this, it's rather easy to find any app you've run.
Hit the app you want, and hit details. That opens the screen to force close, clear cache, etc.
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Thanks for this, I just got it and will try it out, it has a pretty simple UI which I like, and the percentages seem to make sense although I kinda wonder how it figures them out lol, still would prefer a favorites list. But it definitely does make it easier to find the app u want to force close.
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Thanks for this, I just got it and will try it out, it has a pretty simple UI which I like, and the percentages seem to make sense although I kinda wonder how it figures them out lol, still would prefer a favorites list. But it definitely does make it easier to find the app u want to force close.
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No problem. Yeah, I'm not sure how it figures the percentages either, but it does seem roughly accurate.
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Not. No task killer will ever manage android memory as good/efficiently as the Linux kernel. If you want to make the kernel more aggressive at killing off processes and apps, you can very easily put an echo script in Init.d to change the minfree values. Some kernels(like mine) already do this. I have set so it will pretty much never drop to below 90-100 mb of free ram. Sense seems to run pretty good like this, and never bog down
Is there anyway to easily force close an app other than going thru a bunch of menus? I don't know of any other way to completely wipe the cache and history from the browser other than to force close it. Without force closing you can still use the back arrow to see where you have been. If i'm done browsing then the next time I browse I like to open the app with a brand new session and have it go to the home screen.
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There are two options I can think of off the top of my head. One is to use a different browser that will let you clear the cache on exit. I believe both Mirren and Firefox do this. Dolphin might also.
The second way is to use something like Process Monitor Widget which brings all running processes as close as two taps.
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Active Apps is a pretty nice Task Killer program. It similar to the Samsung line, in that it only allows you to close apps that you specifically open. This prevents you from closing the apps that will automatically (behind your back) re-open, and therefore use more battery life. It has 4 screens - 1 for task killing, 1 for quick uninstalls, 1 for RAM clearing, and 1 for storage capacity. Ad-filled version is Free from market, non-Ad version is like $2, but well worth it.
Set up a widget to monitor how many apps are running straight from your home page.
I've used a task killer for a long time, and I always thought it was great. I always noticed that my phone always ran more quickly than anyone elses comparable device. My battery however suffered. It seemed that where the task killer kept my phone flying through processes, when it was running it took the battery down. Now that I'm rooted and running gingerbread with sense3.0 I don't use it and my phone not only fly's but the battery is decent (as it can be).
Ok, I just got my Xoom. Some apps, like Pandora, dont close and dont have a option to. How do I close them?
And how do I close the windows that are open when I hit one of the bottom left keys?
sorry, im really new lol
There is no need to close applications in Android.
But if you really want to close a applcation, go to Settings > Applications > Running click on application you want to close and click Stop.
I came across in interesting article that shows why Android doesn't need a task killer which is in line with your question. So apparently the OS "knows" what apps need to stay in memory and which can be killed.
Good article. Also new to Android. Helps to understand how this all works.
I haven't been able to get Pandora to turn off either but that's the only app that I've had issues with. I can pause it, but the icon still reflects near the clock, which annoys me. I usually just kill it from within settings.
More often than not, you can just back out of the programs by hitting the left arrow a number of times. Otherwise just let HC deal with it accordingly, hit Home and move on. I'm learning it'll free up memory when it needs it.
I havent used pandora on the xoom, but on my epic theres an "exit" button in the menu
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I haven't been able to get Pandora to turn off either but that's the only app that I've had issues with. I can pause it, but the icon still reflects near the clock, which annoys me. I usually just kill it from within settings.
More often than not, you can just back out of the programs by hitting the left arrow a number of times. Otherwise just let HC deal with it accordingly, hit Home and move on. I'm learning it'll free up memory when it needs it.
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That's how I've been closing apps too. Did you get pandora from the market? I installed it from the market and it won't run on my xoom.
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That's how I've been closing apps too. Did you get pandora from the market? I installed it from the market and it won't run on my xoom.
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theres a thread somewhere with a fixed apk..
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theres a thread somewhere with a fixed apk..
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Cool. Thanks. I'll look for it.
I'm using the apk from some other tablet, cant remember which one it was. There's no exit that I've found yet on that version. I don't use it that often so its not a huge concern, just an annoyance.
Nice article... So Android make a kind of save state of the app and leaves its resources to the app in need... clever!
Saying that you dont need to close App's because Android "knows" is just redic. We all have task-manager's on Android why is Honeycomb different? Simply put it isn't and we just have no working solution currently. Why do I say this?
When I have several app's open you can tell the system slow's down. Why can I not close the App's I wont be continuously using?
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Saying that you dont need to close App's because Android "knows" is just redic. We all have task-manager's on Android why is Honeycomb different? Simply put it isn't and we just have no working solution currently. Why do I say this?
When I have several app's open you can tell the system slow's down. Why can I not close the App's I wont be continuously using?
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You can. Put a shortcut on the homescreen to battery usage and close the that you're done with. There's really no need to close them anyways.
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Hey guys, if you are ever having an issue with a certain app and need to force close it.
Hit the home button, go into the app tray, long press the app and drag it up to the (i), then from there click Force Stop
In this same vein, is there a way to keep an App from being automatically closed? For example, AOL Instant Messenger never seems to close but GTalk disappears after some inactivity.
I'm wondering if there is an app that allows true backgrounding or multitasking in Android. In other words, whenever I switch an app and go somewhere else, and then return back to a previous app, I would expect that app to be in the same state as when I left it.
This currently only happens with a few apps, it's hit or miss. So far I haven't found a fix or an app that resolves this issue. Not to create a fight, but the iPhone had background apps that kept apps in memory so that when you returned the app was in the same exact state as when you left it. Thanks all.
I use the home key in order to do this and it works for the apps that i have done it with. Was just using it this way the other day to jump between file explore and an online post. I would use file explorer hit the home key go back to my browser. Then hit the home key while in the browser and would go back to file explorer and everything in both apps was as i left them. Try that see how it works for you.
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I use the home key in order to do this and it works for the apps that i have done it with. Was just using it this way the other day to jump between file explore and an online post. I would use file explorer hit the home key go back to my browser. Then hit the home key while in the browser and would go back to file explorer and everything in both apps was as i left them. Try that see how it works for you.
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Make sure you hold down the Home key and it will show you your last 8 used apps.
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Make sure you hold down the Home key and it will show you your last 8 used apps.
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Did not know that.
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Make sure you hold down the Home key and it will show you your last 8 used apps.
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Thanks I forgot to mention that although I don't usually go that far back in apps lol.
If you hit the back button to exit the app, it will usually exit it- hit the home button and it will background it. Android DOES 100% true multitasking, realize if you run low on ram, the kernel will kill old processes and start killing your oldest used apps as it needs to.
Yes i already knew of the home button function, but that DOES NOT always work! For example lets say im was in the middle of writing a tweet in Tweetcaster and i leave the app (by pressing home) to reference somthing in the Browser. If I then bring up the recent apps and reselect Tweetcaster, my unfinished tweet will be gone as the app will instead be in its starting screen.
Likewise another app that doesnt truly multitask is the WatchESPN app. You'll lose your video if you leave the app no matter what.
There are many other apps that behave like this. I was hoping there was a seperate app that offered "TRUE" multitasking or backgrounding, which keeps apps in memory so that u can return to an app in the exact state as you left it, but for ALL APPS and not just some. Thanks
99% of the apps I've used and use pick up right where I left off, sometimes even days later. There probably is a few that wont as you described, which is probably due more to how the programmer coded the app to exit.
I'd say most (all of my apps do) truely multitask
Don't try the recent apps just try clicking the app itself.
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Don't try the recent apps just try clicking the app itself.
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That doesn't make any difference I don't think. Recent apps is just a list of those same program icons listed in a convenient pop-up window, ordered by usage.
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That doesn't make any difference I don't think. Recent apps is just a list of those same program icons listed in a convenient pop-up window, ordered by usage.
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Could be not sure. It's just the way I do it and always works for me.
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Could be not sure. It's just the way I do it and always works for me.
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Whatever your preference, I was just mentioning I don't think there's any functional difference that would make one way any more effective than the other.
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Whatever your preference, I was just mentioning I don't think there's any functional difference that would make one way any more effective than the other.
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I agree it probably doesn't matter which way. Could just be the app he is using. Some apps are set up to shut down with the back button and/or the home key. So at this point if either of those don't work then I'm out of ideas. I do know that android caches the apps you use so they should be saved in there current state. If they are not then maybe try a restart as your memory may be low so android is closing out these apps to compensate. One last question are you using a task killer/manager.
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I'm wondering if there is an app that allows true backgrounding or multitasking in Android. In other words, whenever I switch an app and go somewhere else, and then return back to a previous app, I would expect that app to be in the same state as when I left it.
This currently only happens with a few apps, it's hit or miss. So far I haven't found a fix or an app that resolves this issue. Not to create a fight, but the iPhone had background apps that kept apps in memory so that when you returned the app was in the same exact state as when you left it. Thanks all.
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I use Taskswitcher from the market for exactly this on Atrix. Had no problems yet and didn't drain the battery either.
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If you hit the back button to exit the app, it will usually exit it- hit the home button and it will background it. Android DOES 100% true multitasking, realize if you run low on ram, the kernel will kill old processes and start killing your oldest used apps as it needs to.
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I understand that Android CAN offer true multitasking, but thats NOT 100% always the case.
As others have said, some apps don't behave for those times when you minimize and not exit the app because you want to return to the app. WatchESPN, TweetCaster, native Android music app, and in-browser streaming video are only a few of the Apps that fail to multitask or "background".
For those instances, it seems Android offers a setting to the developer to either have the app behave in the background for easy multitasking, or it also allows developers to basically kill the app once its in the background, making "True Multitasking" anything but!
So thats why I was hoping there was an app that took this "backgrounding" option out of the apps hands and instead stored all apps into memory that you wanted to be backgrounded. For instance you could background apps either by a hotkey action or you could kill an app so that it doesn't background, this way not all opened apps get backgrounded and use up all system resources.
Anyway, thats what I've been looking for and haven't found an implementation like this. Hopefully I've just overlooked and someone can enlighten me?! Thanks all.
Yea would like to know as well. Blackberry playbook does true multitasking like a PC. Games and youtube video run in backgroud without pausing when we switch.
Havent come across that in android. Maybe i missed it somewhere. I think. Android has task switching' instead of multitasking?
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So you would actually want a video to keep playing when something else had fullscreen focus? That just doesn't make sense. As a developer, I'll tell you that it is certainly possible, but FFS why? Now if I'm listening to music, that makes sense. Run it in the background while I'm looking up stuff on the web or something, but most audio apps DO do that.
It's not a matter of the device being incapable, it's a matter of what's practical.
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So you would actually want a video to keep playing when something else had fullscreen focus? That just doesn't make sense. As a developer, I'll tell you that it is certainly possible, but FFS why? Now if I'm listening to music, that makes sense. Run it in the background while I'm looking up stuff on the web or something, but most audio apps DO do that.
It's not a matter of the device being incapable, it's a matter of what's practical.
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I feel that we should be able to run youtube videos / games running in background just like a PC. I mean our phones are as powerful as PCs from few years back. Say I have one tab running email/browsing and other a video. There may be a time where you want to quickly switch to another task/app and move back to watching the video. It may sound impractical but there should be an option to have this.
Else its just 'task switcher' like ios > 4. I like the way BB playbook has TRUE multitasking.
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I may get some flak for this but webos is the shizznit at true multitasking and the way all these companies steel from each other these days and the palm people that went to Google they should implement the card stile multitasking on Android some how. That would be killer. Don't make it look just like webos but something like it.
Hello all,
Just wondering.
I know there's a load of task managers etc that kill apps, but:
Are there any apps that you can use to keep an app alive and not close in the background. e.g. If you press home, the built in memory manager won't kill it eventually.
Thanks.
If you are using a task killer this feature would be called "whitelist".
Thanks for your reply.
I'm not using a task killer, but android automatically kills tasks after a while if in the background.
I'm basically looking for an app that will bypass this, for apps I choose.
Get an app called WatchDog. It's a task killer that doesn't mindlessly kill your apps (Which actually waste more battery for those apps that instantly reboot.) and you can whitelist apps.
Got watchdog, but this doesn't do what I need. I need the option/ability to be able to keep an app in the background indefinitely, unless I choose otherwise.
I think I may have found the answer in another post. Paul22000 has stated that it's built into Android and the only way around this may be to get it built into a custom ROM.
It might help if you explain which app and why, there may be another way.
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To cut a long story short. I'm trying to build an app in app inventor that stays alive, but it's not possible within app inventor, so I'm trying to find a work around.
Right on... But why do you want too create an app that never shuts down? Have to ask because I am a little intrigued here
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it will work properly its just that android will close it if it feels it is using to much memory in the back round some of my apps stay on all day as long as it doesnt consume to much space
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it will work properly its just that android will close it if it feels it is using to much memory in the back round some of my apps stay on all day as long as it doesnt consume to much space
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But what if I don't want android to close it...? I simply want android to ignore it.
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But what if I don't want android to close it...? I simply want android to ignore it.
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I don't think that's possible. If Android decides that you app needs to be closed (e.g. cause it's idle, eats too much memory, etc.) it'll shut it down, no matter what.
You can try to build your app as a service, as services run in the "background" and are less likely to be killed by Android.
This is not possible in App Inventor, which is why I'm looking for a work around.
Haven't found a solution?
I'm trying the same thing. My Optimus 2x kills Opera and Spotify faaar too fast. Common use case: Surf->Home->Send text message->open Opera, then it has to be restarted, not loaded from memory. I'm using AutoKiller now, which is supposed to be able to keep apps alive if I manually set a variable in it (oom), but it's very temporary so I'm guessing it doesn't work too well.
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Haven't found a solution?
I'm trying the same thing. My Optimus 2x kills Opera and Spotify faaar too fast. Common use case: Surf->Home->Send text message->open Opera, then it has to be restarted, not loaded from memory. I'm using AutoKiller now, which is supposed to be able to keep apps alive if I manually set a variable in it (oom), but it's very temporary so I'm guessing it doesn't work too well.
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I agree....
I use Dolphin Mini, and if I receive a phone call, just about every single time I go back into Dolphin Mini, it has to reload. Even if I only had one or two tabs open. It's really frustrating... This happens on my EVO 4G, I hope the Epic Touch 4G doesn't have this issue (or any devices with higher ROM storage).
I looking for a solution to..
My situation: When driving in my car I run 3 apps Copilot, FlitsNav and MySpeed.. Copilot is usually my foreground app.. FlitsNav is an app that should pop up when I'm near mobile speedcams.. Sometimes it gets killed by android (even though the icon stays present in the taskbar)
any suggestions on keeping it alive? (I though about restarting the app every 5mins or so with tasker.. haven't tried yet)
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That I'd one thing I actually miss from the iPhone. I'd keep apps open all the time and they would look the same when I opened them a week later. In Android my apps tend to shut down and I have to navigate back to where I was, open tabs again, etc. Can be annoying.
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thanks, I'll have to do some reading before I'll try that one..
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That is hit or miss and 90% of the time its miss