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Radio Disabling on Task Kill (Solution)

I'm by no means a pro with this stuff but I wanted to share this for those of you having issues with your radio getting shut down after certain tasks getting closed with a task manager. Also peep, footprints and stocks constantly restarting.
I've tried a few of the task killers out there, even purchased Advanced Task Manger which is an awesome program, but regardless of exception lists with most of these programs occasionally my device would eventually force close an invisible process which made the browser unresponsive and cause other issues.
I picked up TaskPanel a couple of days ago and haven't had a single issue since. I'm chalking it up to some of the other task killers i've tried to closing some random process at some odd time (I'm not able to recreate it consistently).
TaskPanel fixed the problem I was having. It was annoying having to go into air plane mode or resetting the device to get it working again. Its been 2 days now without the issue coming back up so at a minimum it seems significantly reduced if not eliminated for me.
I also do not have peep, stocks and footprints auto loading after a close. If I open them they show up to be closed but once closed they do not automatically reopen. Display difference? Perhaps, but memory useage displayed says they are closed since if I open them it drops and returns back when closed.
My exclusion list:
Htc Sense
Htc Wagent
IQRD
OMADM
Thats it. No issues.

I too have tried all the task killer apps and have had the best luck with task pannel. I'll try adding these to my exception list and see how it goes. Thanks for the info.

Aridon said:
I'm by no means a pro with this stuff but I wanted to share this for those of you having issues with your radio getting shut down after certain tasks getting closed with a task manager. Also peep, footprints and stocks constantly restarting.
I've tried a few of the task killers out there, even purchased Advanced Task Manger which is an awesome program, but regardless of exception lists with most of these programs occasionally my device would eventually force close an invisible process which made the browser unresponsive and cause other issues.
I picked up TaskPanel a couple of days ago and haven't had a single issue since. I'm chalking it up to some of the other task killers i've tried to closing some random process at some odd time (I'm not able to recreate it consistently).
TaskPanel fixed the problem I was having. It was annoying having to go into air plane mode or resetting the device to get it working again. Its been 2 days now without the issue coming back up so at a minimum it seems significantly reduced if not eliminated for me.
I also do not have peep, stocks and footprints auto loading after a close. If I open them they show up to be closed but once closed they do not automatically reopen. Display difference? Perhaps, but memory useage displayed says they are closed since if I open them it drops and returns back when closed.
My exclusion list:
Htc Sense
Htc Wagent
IQRD
OMADM
Thats it. No issues.
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IQRD is the one that kills the radio. I've got it excluded on Advanced Task Killer, and have no problems like you were reporting either.
I do, however, like the auto-end feature with TaskPanel where you can set it to do it as frequently as every five minutes, or at a threshold of available RAM. Advanced Task Killer's minimum is 30 minutes, so I think I'm going to switch to TaskPanel for a while and see how it works. Good suggestion!

I have the solution, stop killing tasks.
Pretty simple.

notrock said:
I have the solution, stop killing tasks.
Pretty simple.
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It's not a solution when the solution has undesired results.
I don't like how sluggish the Hero feels like when it has 28MB of RAM free. I do, however, like it a lot better when it has 75MB free.
Others obviously feel this way too, so hence the need for a thread to discuss viable solutions.
Since you feel your solution works for you, this topic doesn't apply to your situation. I feel like you were trolling a little, so bye bye!

Thanks for this thread. I just tried TaskPanel X and I like it! Pretty powerful little app.

watzone69 said:
Thanks for this thread. I just tried TaskPanel X and I like it! Pretty powerful little app.
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Rooting Cause More Processes to Run?

After rooting my phone and removing the ATT bloatware, I noticed that my Advanced Task Killer (Free) program lists more programs running in the background than before? Lots of programs that never popped up when the phone was stock now are showing up in the Task Killer program as running? Is this right? Did something screw up? If I kill all those processes the only ones that consistently comes back are HandCent SMS and Clock.

I've been noticing the default messaging app and clock open up a lot, and sometimes other apps too, like ESPN ScoreCenter, Facebook, etc. are opening up by themselves. Does anyone have any idea why this is happening?

I've noticed that my GPS kicks on every once in awhile too randomly. Usually when I can tell something's running in the background.
If you turn off Background Data in Settings>Accounts and Sync, it stops it almost in its entirety, but you have to turn it on to access the Market. My guess is it's just the programs collecting or sending data regarding use of the program, or with the clock (and possibly other programs) updating itself.

I can see the logic in that some apps need to update, but I never saw these same apps exhibit this behavior before I rooted. ie) Apps running themselves and showing up in my Advanced Task Killer program and now I have to kill them where before I never knew they were there in the first place. No changes to my phone except root. Are these based on the General Sync Settings options like Background Data or AutoSync? I just don't like the idea of all these apps running when I never started them in the first place.

I think you just didn't see them before... rooting isnt going to make apps randomly start doing things they didnt do before.
This needs to be in the gerenral section as well.

it shouldnt cause more to run :/

Sorry if this post is in the wrong section. But yeah, I know those apps that are popping up now weren't there before. I'm sure I didn't miss seeing them as I have all the settings for Advanced Task Killer program set the same in terms of security levels.
Are you saying that rooting my phone made the apps show up now (as in they were just hidden to the OS/program prior to rooting)?

eh
Well The same thing used to happen to me on my HTC desire so it must just be Android (maybe has to do with the build) or just Android in general. I would get stuff like settings and such in the task managers as well etc, exactly to what you guys are describing. They were not really used or needed programs so ending the tasks was no problem. No clue, but this is not only on this device
And yes my HTC DESIRE was rooted as well

Moved to General.

gps bug?

Dont know if anyone else has noticed this but has happened to me a couple of times now. If I start up an app that uses gps i.e speed test then when I quit out of the app the gps symbol remains in the notification bar flashing. I dont know how to get rid of it and have to reboot my phone. Any ideas guys?

Is it possible that your app is still running in the background even after you quit? Some apps do that.May explain why gps is still running.
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Hi. Yeah thats a possibility and have been thinking it through. Take for instance speed test, it has no exit key so you have to quit out of it by either clicking back or home. Maybe that is where the bug lies and its nothing to do with my nexus.
One other question I have if you could help me out is about multitasking. Say if I hit the home button when an app is running it still runs in the background. How long does it do this for with out resorting to using an task killer or similar?
Cheers

rob77 said:
Dont know if anyone else has noticed this but has happened to me a couple of times now. If I start up an app that uses gps i.e speed test then when I quit out of the app the gps symbol remains in the notification bar flashing. I dont know how to get rid of it and have to reboot my phone. Any ideas guys?
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This problem is not unique to the Nexus S. I actually haven't seen it on the NS (yet), but I see it routinely on my SGS i9000.
You should be able to easily get rid of it by just turning on and off the GPS with the Power Control Widget. No need to reboot. Turning on and off Location Services in Settings screens for the phone should also do it for you.

Thanks ill try turning it off using the location settings next time it happens. I did try with the widget but when i turned it back on it returned and was still there.

rob77 said:
Hi. Yeah thats a possibility and have been thinking it through. Take for instance speed test, it has no exit key so you have to quit out of it by either clicking back or home. Maybe that is where the bug lies and its nothing to do with my nexus.
One other question I have if you could help me out is about multitasking. Say if I hit the home button when an app is running it still runs in the background. How long does it do this for with out resorting to using an task killer or similar?
Cheers
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From my VERY limited experience, some apps stop running as soon as you press home screen (e.g. website/forum apps), some you need to specifically exit the app (if there is an exit option), and then there are others that stay running until you force stop it. Seems like it depends on the design (or mis-design) of the app.
You can view what apps are still currently running under Manage Apps. You can also manually stop those processes there if need be.
Hope this helps.

Thanks. I've tried looking under manage apps/running apps before but the task I think the gps bug is coming from is never listed in there. Infact not a great deal gets listed in the standard gingerbread applications settings. Games that I know are still running in the background dont get listed either for some reason.

background, multitasking, task killer?

So being somewhat new to android.... the one thing I always wondered is, what is the BEST way to deal with certain programs? I am using advanced task killer... and if I bring it up right now, there might be 20 programs runnings... so I "kill" them all.....
open it up again right away, 6 of them restarting already.... and I am talking about apps I rarely use and do not need in the background at all.... I can only assume this adds to battery drain and slow down.
So my question is, is there a better app I should be using... or is there a way to tell an app to only launch/work on demand etc?
any input appreciated
thx

Mr.Kakarot said:
So being somewhat new to android.... the one thing I always wondered is, what is the BEST way to deal with certain programs? I am using advanced task killer... and if I bring it up right now, there might be 20 programs runnings... so I "kill" them all.....
open it up again right away, 6 of them restarting already.... and I am talking about apps I rarely use and do not need in the background at all.... I can only assume this adds to battery drain and slow down.
So my question is, is there a better app I should be using... or is there a way to tell an app to only launch/work on demand etc?
any input appreciated
thx
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=6426198#post6426198

i just switched over from LauncherPRO to GO Launcher and it's fantastic !!!!!!!
with build in Tasks Manager (with option to kill each app or kill all running apps)

thanks to you both, I will give it a try/read
one question though... once you kill them, do they stay killed... or fire back up pretty quick? Battery life is really a non issue, I just wanted to know if I should be doing more!

Mr.Kakarot said:
thanks to you both, I will give it a try/read
one question though... once you kill them, do they stay killed... or fire back up pretty quick? Battery life is really a non issue, I just wanted to know if I should be doing more!
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Free memory is wasted memory in the Linux environment that Android runs, so Android's memory manager will always try to load up stuff that it thinks you'll be using to have it ready and waiting to go when you want it.
That's the irony of people trying to use task killers on Android; most of the time it's pointless, since Android will just re-load the apps anyways. Sometimes a rogue app that just won't close and is sucking up juice unreasonably should be killed, but generally, it's best to avoid using any kind of task killer. The links provided by someone earlier should give you a good understanding of this.

distortedloop said:
That's the irony of people trying to use task killers on Android; most of the time it's pointless, since Android will just re-load the apps anyways. Sometimes a rogue app that just won't close and is sucking up juice unreasonably should be killed, but generally, it's best to avoid using any kind of task killer. The links provided by someone earlier should give you a good understanding of this.
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i would normally agree with you on this
but i've come across a dozen apps that gets HUNG in memory, and partially locks up the phone
and the only thing that can fix it, is by Killing the app or apps that hung
without a task killer, the only thing to do is to take out the battery
yes, some times it gets so bad that it wont even launch the shut down menu
and the weirdest thing is that usually those apps that hung, they work normally, except for some conflicts with other apps, every now and then

AllGamer said:
i would normally agree with you on this
but i've come across a dozen apps that gets HUNG in memory, and partially locks up the phone
and the only thing that can fix it, is by Killing the app or apps that hung
without a task killer, the only thing to do is to take out the battery
yes, some times it gets so bad that it wont even launch the shut down menu
and the weirdest thing is that usually those apps that hung, they work normally, except for some conflicts with other apps, every now and then
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That's why I said "mostly", not "always".
Apps like that would be removed from my system until the developer fixed them.
Never underestimate the power of a poorly written app to bring any system to its knees, desktop or phone.

Mr.Kakarot said:
thanks to you both, I will give it a try/read
one question though... once you kill them, do they stay killed... or fire back up pretty quick? Battery life is really a non issue, I just wanted to know if I should be doing more!
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I remember this post from a long time ago, it's a great read. I've used watchdog ever since

AllGamer said:
i would normally agree with you on this
but i've come across a dozen apps that gets HUNG in memory, and partially locks up the phone
and the only thing that can fix it, is by Killing the app or apps that hung
without a task killer, the only thing to do is to take out the battery
yes, some times it gets so bad that it wont even launch the shut down menu
and the weirdest thing is that usually those apps that hung, they work normally, except for some conflicts with other apps, every now and then
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Settings>Applications>Running Services?

when it's hung you have no access to anything but holding HOME until the Task Manager pops up

[Q] Random Restarts - Completely stock..

Hey guys,
Got my phone about 3 weeks ago, and have been reading and debating on which ROM to install. Throughout this time I downloaded my alarm clock, pandora, Zedge, and smart keyboard pro. All this was done day one.
On Sunday while trying to perform a google search, every time i hit the "go" button the browser closed. After the 5th time i restarted the phone. Then I let it get up and running.. great, used it, no problems. Set the phone down, half hour later or so it restarts all on it's own. Great...
Then monday night, I wake up to the phone restarting again, randomly. The bootup sound woke me up. All of a sudden yesterday, the phone reboots all the f***ing time, like 5 times while I was at work. Last night it did it again. This morning while getting ready for work, again, when I was driving to work, again, walking out of the parking lot to my office, I get a text, read the text, put the phone back in my pocket, restarts again!
Anybody know what the hell is going on? I did a google search and this problem seems rare, but it's happening so f***ing much.
There also appears to be no task manager on this Phone stock, whereas any other phone you can hold the Home button and see a list of all running services. (thanks for that retarded call HTC) So I can't tell whats running, or kill apps/services 1 by 1 to see what helps..
I am taking this phone back to the store today, question is, do I replace it with another Inspire, or a different device...

I would replace it with another inspire because at this point at&t doesnt have an android device with the rom support that the inspire/desire has.

GTIVRon said:
Hey guys,
Got my phone about 3 weeks ago, and have been reading and debating on which ROM to install. Throughout this time I downloaded my alarm clock, pandora, Zedge, and smart keyboard pro. All this was done day one.
On Sunday while trying to perform a google search, every time i hit the "go" button the browser closed. After the 5th time i restarted the phone. Then I let it get up and running.. great, used it, no problems. Set the phone down, half hour later or so it restarts all on it's own. Great...
Then monday night, I wake up to the phone restarting again, randomly. The bootup sound woke me up. All of a sudden yesterday, the phone reboots all the f***ing time, like 5 times while I was at work. Last night it did it again. This morning while getting ready for work, again, when I was driving to work, again, walking out of the parking lot to my office, I get a text, read the text, put the phone back in my pocket, restarts again!
Anybody know what the hell is going on? I did a google search and this problem seems rare, but it's happening so f***ing much.
There also appears to be no task manager on this Phone stock, whereas any other phone you can hold the Home button and see a list of all running services. (thanks for that retarded call HTC) So I can't tell whats running, or kill apps/services 1 by 1 to see what helps..
I am taking this phone back to the store today, question is, do I replace it with another Inspire, or a different device...
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You got a lemon. Get a replacement.
Though I'm not running stock, from what I recall, pressing and holding the home button did pop up the list of tasks. I know it does for me now, running the gingerbread based Rom I'm running atm.
It is also available by pulling down the notification bar.
Like I said, I think you got a bad phone.
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I will go make an exchange then..
Thanks!
Also, stock, holding the home button and pulling down taskbar thing shows recently used apps. Not a task manager of any kind.

GTIVRon said:
I will go make an exchange then..
Thanks!
Also, stock, holding the home button and pulling down taskbar thing shows recently used apps. Not a task manager of any kind.
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My understanding of "task manager" type of functionality in Android IS recently used apps. It pops up a list of of the last several things you used. Since Android isn't multi-windowed, that's really all you can do anyway.
If by switching tasks you mean going to another task and having it be in the same state as you left it (ie on the same web page you were looking at in the browser before you switched to another activity), that's dependent on the way you move away from an app... Whether you push the back key (which "closes" down and "resets" the apps state, or if you just push home to select another activity, which keeps the apps state as it exists at the time of switching.
Unless I'm missing something...
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By task manager i mean, on my captivate, when I held down the home button I got a list of recently used apps, and a button to go into Task Manager, much like CTRL ALT DEL on a computer, then task manager. It showed a list of all currently running processes, both foreground and background, and the option to stop/close any of the services or apps.

GTIVRon said:
By task manager i mean, on my captivate, when I held down the home button I got a list of recently used apps, and a button to go into Task Manager, much like CTRL ALT DEL on a computer, then task manager. It showed a list of all currently running processes, both foreground and background, and the option to stop/close any of the services or apps.
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Well, I had a captivate, though it's been awhile, and I had forgotten about that.
You can do essentially the same thing though, there's just not a direct button to go to the manage apps area of settings that has the running apps/services list that you're referring to.
My guess is that it could be by design that this button is absent, as for the most part, as it isn't good practice to be killing apps and services in Android as one would in windows.
Removing that direct path to that level of app management eliminates the temptation for common users to be indiscriminately "closing" stuff when it doesn't work the same way on an Android phone as it does on a desktop OS.
I consider myself a power user, but I rarely go to the list of apps for purposes of termination. It's more of a special occasion, when I suspect an app is misbehaving.
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