I'm by no means a pro with this stuff but I wanted to share this for those of you having issues with your radio getting shut down after certain tasks getting closed with a task manager. Also peep, footprints and stocks constantly restarting.
I've tried a few of the task killers out there, even purchased Advanced Task Manger which is an awesome program, but regardless of exception lists with most of these programs occasionally my device would eventually force close an invisible process which made the browser unresponsive and cause other issues.
I picked up TaskPanel a couple of days ago and haven't had a single issue since. I'm chalking it up to some of the other task killers i've tried to closing some random process at some odd time (I'm not able to recreate it consistently).
TaskPanel fixed the problem I was having. It was annoying having to go into air plane mode or resetting the device to get it working again. Its been 2 days now without the issue coming back up so at a minimum it seems significantly reduced if not eliminated for me.
I also do not have peep, stocks and footprints auto loading after a close. If I open them they show up to be closed but once closed they do not automatically reopen. Display difference? Perhaps, but memory useage displayed says they are closed since if I open them it drops and returns back when closed.
My exclusion list:
Htc Sense
Htc Wagent
IQRD
OMADM
Thats it. No issues.
I too have tried all the task killer apps and have had the best luck with task pannel. I'll try adding these to my exception list and see how it goes. Thanks for the info.
Aridon said:
I'm by no means a pro with this stuff but I wanted to share this for those of you having issues with your radio getting shut down after certain tasks getting closed with a task manager. Also peep, footprints and stocks constantly restarting.
I've tried a few of the task killers out there, even purchased Advanced Task Manger which is an awesome program, but regardless of exception lists with most of these programs occasionally my device would eventually force close an invisible process which made the browser unresponsive and cause other issues.
I picked up TaskPanel a couple of days ago and haven't had a single issue since. I'm chalking it up to some of the other task killers i've tried to closing some random process at some odd time (I'm not able to recreate it consistently).
TaskPanel fixed the problem I was having. It was annoying having to go into air plane mode or resetting the device to get it working again. Its been 2 days now without the issue coming back up so at a minimum it seems significantly reduced if not eliminated for me.
I also do not have peep, stocks and footprints auto loading after a close. If I open them they show up to be closed but once closed they do not automatically reopen. Display difference? Perhaps, but memory useage displayed says they are closed since if I open them it drops and returns back when closed.
My exclusion list:
Htc Sense
Htc Wagent
IQRD
OMADM
Thats it. No issues.
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IQRD is the one that kills the radio. I've got it excluded on Advanced Task Killer, and have no problems like you were reporting either.
I do, however, like the auto-end feature with TaskPanel where you can set it to do it as frequently as every five minutes, or at a threshold of available RAM. Advanced Task Killer's minimum is 30 minutes, so I think I'm going to switch to TaskPanel for a while and see how it works. Good suggestion!
I have the solution, stop killing tasks.
Pretty simple.
notrock said:
I have the solution, stop killing tasks.
Pretty simple.
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It's not a solution when the solution has undesired results.
I don't like how sluggish the Hero feels like when it has 28MB of RAM free. I do, however, like it a lot better when it has 75MB free.
Others obviously feel this way too, so hence the need for a thread to discuss viable solutions.
Since you feel your solution works for you, this topic doesn't apply to your situation. I feel like you were trolling a little, so bye bye!
Thanks for this thread. I just tried TaskPanel X and I like it! Pretty powerful little app.
watzone69 said:
Thanks for this thread. I just tried TaskPanel X and I like it! Pretty powerful little app.
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Are others experiencing this or is it time for the dreaded hard reset and rebuilding? I have an ATT Fuze with a stock from and the black TF3D theme... various pokes and prods to the registry.
check the task manager's list of processes
mine slowed down after taking some video clips and watching them on tf3d
turns out, manila was using from 20 to 40% of cpu!
g2tl said:
check the task manager's list of processes
mine slowed down after taking some video clips and watching them on tf3d
turns out, manila was using from 20 to 40% of cpu!
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The list shows as empty, i.e. nothing running.
I too have experienced this from time to time. Using a combination of a more advanced task manager (dotFred or memmaid) along with MemMaids reclaim ram feature it is usually rectified. Sometimes simply restarting tf3d fixes it. (either ending task or turning it off in today settings)
To be honest though, this only seems to happen maybe once per day/ once every two days and can quickly be fized by a soft reset.
You can also try scaling back your file system and filter cache. (leave font) I have both mine set to 4mb and havent experienced a slowdown with this rom and settings yet. I used to have max cache on everything (elite rc2) yet I dont seem to need it.
It may have no effect and can possibly be attributed to my old rom setup getting overloaded. I'll post reports of any more slow downs.
RRE beta 3v2 on m1 radio.
-On the road from my Fuze-
-VGA is fantastic-
Scrtcwlvl said:
I too have experienced this from time to time. Using a combination of a more advanced task manager (dotFred or memmaid) along with MemMaids reclaim ram feature it is usually rectified. Sometimes simply restarting tf3d fixes it. (either ending task or turning it off in today settings)
To be honest though, this only seems to happen maybe once per day/ once every two days and can quickly be fized by a soft reset.
You can also try scaling back your file system and filter cache. (leave font) I have both mine set to 4mb and havent experienced a slowdown with this rom and settings yet. I used to have max cache on everything (elite rc2) yet I dont seem to need it.
It may have no effect and can possibly be attributed to my old rom setup getting overloaded. I'll post reports of any more slow downs.
RRE beta 3v2 on m1 radio.
-On the road from my Fuze-
-VGA is fantastic-
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Thanks. I have the caches (glyph, filter, etc.) all pumped up in an effort to speed things up. Maybe I'm going the wrong way. I was demonstrating the Fuze to some co-workers at breakfast this morning and ran into a 20 second freeze. Same.
Does anyone know what the "Exclusive program list" is? I have googled it, but not found an answer. Jbed.exe appears on that list.
hopper13 said:
Does anyone know what the "Exclusive program list" is?
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This is the part of the operating system that allows you to always keep a certain set of applications running even when you instruct windows to stop all programs.
behrouz said:
This is the part of the operating system that allows you to always keep a certain set of applications running even when you instruct windows to stop all programs.
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Thanks. I suspected as much. Does everyone have jbed.exe on that list? From what I gather, it has something to do with java?
I just flashed to fresh Rom 0.6b and I also use advanced task killer now I kill everything except my messages and mail app. But I can go back 10mins layer let's say and more apps are running and I never opened them. I can't figure out why if its the Rom or the task killer? killer? Sent from my HTC on the Now Network from Sprint!
Which apps are running? I know that peep like to restart itself all of the time.
I'm having trouble with Sprint navigation restarting by it self I don't know if another app o have is forcing to open nut it sucks bc it uses so much of my battery when its running and every time I see it running I just end the app but I wanna disable it from start up
I noticed on my Stock Unrooted Hero that apps would run constantly by them selves even after a task killer cleared them. I think its the joy of our provider hijacking the phone and telling us what we want.
i use an app called taskpanel, it is one of the only task killer apps to have an auto-killer, you can set it to 5, 15, 30 ect. minutes and it will close any app that is opened, it is also good cuz if you have an app in the foreground it wont close it until you finished
The main thing that custom roms were first addressing on the CDMA Hero are those programs that like to run in the background.
For instance... Sprint Navigation launches automatically when you get a text. I assume it has something to deal with the fact that you can text someone a location straight from Sprint Nav and it will show up in your Sprint Nav.
My personal opinion... stop using task killers. Honestly my phone became much happier when I stopped. I feel that the phone actually runs better when you aren't constantly terminating applications that aren't ready to be closed. Just let the phone do it's thing and uninstall your task killer programs.
I understand and agree about the task killers but if i have sprint naviagation running in the background all day long since i text alot my battery is going to drain down and not really gonna let me last the entire day. so what do you recommend in that situation...? or is there no solution to that yet?
BAttitude7689 said:
I understand and agree about the task killers but if i have sprint naviagation running in the background all day long since i text alot my battery is going to drain down and not really gonna let me last the entire day. so what do you recommend in that situation...? or is there no solution to that yet?
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The easiest recommendation would be to remove sprint navigation. There is also a great app out there called "Autostarts" that will let you view what starts when. You can go under sms and disable sprint nav. However that program hasn't worked for me since the 1.56 update. It still sees everything and tells you what starts when but if you actually try and disable something it just locks up.
ok thanks for that, and I love the blue themed you added for the rom, anyway you can come out with one that has pink replacing the blue because my girlfriend is dying for that..just a request of different colors would be cool.
After rooting my phone and removing the ATT bloatware, I noticed that my Advanced Task Killer (Free) program lists more programs running in the background than before? Lots of programs that never popped up when the phone was stock now are showing up in the Task Killer program as running? Is this right? Did something screw up? If I kill all those processes the only ones that consistently comes back are HandCent SMS and Clock.
I've been noticing the default messaging app and clock open up a lot, and sometimes other apps too, like ESPN ScoreCenter, Facebook, etc. are opening up by themselves. Does anyone have any idea why this is happening?
I've noticed that my GPS kicks on every once in awhile too randomly. Usually when I can tell something's running in the background.
If you turn off Background Data in Settings>Accounts and Sync, it stops it almost in its entirety, but you have to turn it on to access the Market. My guess is it's just the programs collecting or sending data regarding use of the program, or with the clock (and possibly other programs) updating itself.
I can see the logic in that some apps need to update, but I never saw these same apps exhibit this behavior before I rooted. ie) Apps running themselves and showing up in my Advanced Task Killer program and now I have to kill them where before I never knew they were there in the first place. No changes to my phone except root. Are these based on the General Sync Settings options like Background Data or AutoSync? I just don't like the idea of all these apps running when I never started them in the first place.
I think you just didn't see them before... rooting isnt going to make apps randomly start doing things they didnt do before.
This needs to be in the gerenral section as well.
it shouldnt cause more to run :/
Sorry if this post is in the wrong section. But yeah, I know those apps that are popping up now weren't there before. I'm sure I didn't miss seeing them as I have all the settings for Advanced Task Killer program set the same in terms of security levels.
Are you saying that rooting my phone made the apps show up now (as in they were just hidden to the OS/program prior to rooting)?
eh
Well The same thing used to happen to me on my HTC desire so it must just be Android (maybe has to do with the build) or just Android in general. I would get stuff like settings and such in the task managers as well etc, exactly to what you guys are describing. They were not really used or needed programs so ending the tasks was no problem. No clue, but this is not only on this device
And yes my HTC DESIRE was rooted as well
Moved to General.
So being somewhat new to android.... the one thing I always wondered is, what is the BEST way to deal with certain programs? I am using advanced task killer... and if I bring it up right now, there might be 20 programs runnings... so I "kill" them all.....
open it up again right away, 6 of them restarting already.... and I am talking about apps I rarely use and do not need in the background at all.... I can only assume this adds to battery drain and slow down.
So my question is, is there a better app I should be using... or is there a way to tell an app to only launch/work on demand etc?
any input appreciated
thx
Mr.Kakarot said:
So being somewhat new to android.... the one thing I always wondered is, what is the BEST way to deal with certain programs? I am using advanced task killer... and if I bring it up right now, there might be 20 programs runnings... so I "kill" them all.....
open it up again right away, 6 of them restarting already.... and I am talking about apps I rarely use and do not need in the background at all.... I can only assume this adds to battery drain and slow down.
So my question is, is there a better app I should be using... or is there a way to tell an app to only launch/work on demand etc?
any input appreciated
thx
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=6426198#post6426198
i just switched over from LauncherPRO to GO Launcher and it's fantastic !!!!!!!
with build in Tasks Manager (with option to kill each app or kill all running apps)
thanks to you both, I will give it a try/read
one question though... once you kill them, do they stay killed... or fire back up pretty quick? Battery life is really a non issue, I just wanted to know if I should be doing more!
Mr.Kakarot said:
thanks to you both, I will give it a try/read
one question though... once you kill them, do they stay killed... or fire back up pretty quick? Battery life is really a non issue, I just wanted to know if I should be doing more!
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Free memory is wasted memory in the Linux environment that Android runs, so Android's memory manager will always try to load up stuff that it thinks you'll be using to have it ready and waiting to go when you want it.
That's the irony of people trying to use task killers on Android; most of the time it's pointless, since Android will just re-load the apps anyways. Sometimes a rogue app that just won't close and is sucking up juice unreasonably should be killed, but generally, it's best to avoid using any kind of task killer. The links provided by someone earlier should give you a good understanding of this.
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That's the irony of people trying to use task killers on Android; most of the time it's pointless, since Android will just re-load the apps anyways. Sometimes a rogue app that just won't close and is sucking up juice unreasonably should be killed, but generally, it's best to avoid using any kind of task killer. The links provided by someone earlier should give you a good understanding of this.
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i would normally agree with you on this
but i've come across a dozen apps that gets HUNG in memory, and partially locks up the phone
and the only thing that can fix it, is by Killing the app or apps that hung
without a task killer, the only thing to do is to take out the battery
yes, some times it gets so bad that it wont even launch the shut down menu
and the weirdest thing is that usually those apps that hung, they work normally, except for some conflicts with other apps, every now and then
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i would normally agree with you on this
but i've come across a dozen apps that gets HUNG in memory, and partially locks up the phone
and the only thing that can fix it, is by Killing the app or apps that hung
without a task killer, the only thing to do is to take out the battery
yes, some times it gets so bad that it wont even launch the shut down menu
and the weirdest thing is that usually those apps that hung, they work normally, except for some conflicts with other apps, every now and then
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That's why I said "mostly", not "always".
Apps like that would be removed from my system until the developer fixed them.
Never underestimate the power of a poorly written app to bring any system to its knees, desktop or phone.
Mr.Kakarot said:
thanks to you both, I will give it a try/read
one question though... once you kill them, do they stay killed... or fire back up pretty quick? Battery life is really a non issue, I just wanted to know if I should be doing more!
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I remember this post from a long time ago, it's a great read. I've used watchdog ever since
AllGamer said:
i would normally agree with you on this
but i've come across a dozen apps that gets HUNG in memory, and partially locks up the phone
and the only thing that can fix it, is by Killing the app or apps that hung
without a task killer, the only thing to do is to take out the battery
yes, some times it gets so bad that it wont even launch the shut down menu
and the weirdest thing is that usually those apps that hung, they work normally, except for some conflicts with other apps, every now and then
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Settings>Applications>Running Services?
when it's hung you have no access to anything but holding HOME until the Task Manager pops up
Tried a couple of different ROMS out there, and I'm still getting frequent pausing, temporary locking up on my Gtab when trying to open apps. Am I rushing the poor old guy!? Usually it starts responding again before I even hit "wait" but the frequent pop-up when it slows is really getting to me. Anyone experiencing anything similar? Any good fixes???
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What roms are you using? I had this issue with the last dirty bean but get it much less if at all with the 120dpi smoothbean. You can change the governor settins under settings/performance/processor as well as limit background processes to 2/1 that seems to help. I laso turn off sync on gmail which helps.
Sent from my SPH-L710 using xda app-developers app
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Tried a couple of different ROMS out there, and I'm still getting frequent pausing, temporary locking up on my Gtab when trying to open apps. Am I rushing the poor old guy!? Usually it starts responding again before I even hit "wait" but the frequent pop-up when it slows is really getting to me. Anyone experiencing anything similar? Any good fixes???
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1. Try Advanced Task Killer and hit the widget button to nuke the memory hogs. There is
a lot of people who dont recommend task killing as a solution, but it seems to get me past the
force closes.
2. Try an old froyo rom like Vegan or TNT Lite 4.4
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Recently I was having similar problems with the gtablet slowing down a lot, so I started uninstalling some of my apps.
I had about 220 apps with Application Storage at 212MB free. I messed some uninstall and got into a boot loop.
At which point I did a factory reset. The factory reset ROM was a lot faster. So when I restored my apps and settings
froim Titanium backup, I restored about 120 of them with Application Free Storage at about 700 MB now.
All the slowness of apps and market have gone away.
So I would say if you see a lot of Force Closes or hangs especially during Market Update, considering cutting
down on the number of apps you have. The key metric to see if you are getting full is the
Settings->Storage->Tablet Storage->Application Storage (for Froyo ROMs)
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