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A friend at work recently bought this phone - manual is in chinese and it claims to be a 'Dopod 818'. It runs WM5 no problem, has a camera, bluetooth but no wifi. The 'settings' page shows the OS number as 5.1.476 with an XScale PXA270 312MHz cpu
But what is it? I can't find a reference to it anywhere on the web, least of all Dopod/HTC's website. Any ideas? I'm leaning towards it being some sort of chinese copy with pirated WM5 on...
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818?
http://www.mobile-review.com/pda/review/htc-magician-en.shtml
Nope, that's not a HTC Magician (aka 818)
Did you says it RUNS WM5? Or is it a simple Chinese knockoff?
hmmm...

Magician has 416mhz.

It definitely runs WM5 (even in English). CPU is 312MHz as stated. I don't think its a magician, as it has the numerical keypad not just arrow keys

It is VERY interesting. Having a XScale PXA270 312MHz CPU doesn't really help as it seems tons of phone are using it. One of the unique perspective of this phone is the keyboard/pad. As far as I know, there isn't any WM5 phone does that. And, from what it seems, it also a touchscreen.
AND.. VERY VERY interestingly, if you look at the bottom of the screen, you get all these print-on icons on the screen, which you usually gets with cheap knock-offs, which runs Linux. You pretty sure it is the real WM5? Why don't you test those lower buttons and see if they are working 'icons' or not.
If they work, and you can configure it in the Settings -> Buttons. I have no ideas then. However, if these buttons are not functional and/or they are not configurable in the Settings -> Buttons, chances are, the phone is originally done for other OS and have been hacked someway to run WM5.
Also, the 'Designed for' sticker doesn't look authentic to me too.. anyone with this sticker to confirm. Ironically, my Wizard doesn't have a sticker.. no wonder WM5 suxs in my case

It is VERY interesting. Having a XScale PXA270 312MHz CPU doesn't really help as it seems tons of phone are using it. One of the unique perspective of this phone is the keyboard/pad. As far as I know, there isn't any WM5 phone does that. And, from what it seems, it also a touchscreen.
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Asus P525, Mio A702.
AND.. VERY VERY interestingly, if you look at the bottom of the screen, you get all these print-on icons on the screen, which you usually gets with cheap knock-offs, which runs Linux. You pretty sure it is the real WM5? Why don't you test those lower buttons and see if they are working 'icons' or not.
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Actually like the iPhone rip-off.

definitely it is not dopod 818, Indeed that is not a dopod at all. Made in China!!! Currently you can even get a copy Iphone

hanmin said:
... if you look at the bottom of the screen, you get all these print-on icons on the screen, which you usually gets with cheap knock-offs, which runs Linux. You pretty sure it is the real WM5? Why don't you test those lower buttons and see if they are working 'icons' or not.
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The icons all definitely work - and it's definitely running the real deal WM5.
hanmin said:
If they work, and you can configure it in the Settings -> Buttons. I have no ideas then. However, if these buttons are not functional and/or they are not configurable in the Settings -> Buttons, chances are, the phone is originally done for other OS and have been hacked someway to run WM5.
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Interesting .. I couldn't find the 'buttons' section in the settings.
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Also, the 'Designed for' sticker doesn't look authentic to me too.. anyone with this sticker to confirm. Ironically, my Wizard doesn't have a sticker.. no wonder WM5 suxs in my case
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I agree, the sticker looks a little suspect. What makes me also think its a knockoff (albeit good one) is the manual looks very generic (not a nice shiny front with colour picture like my Blue Angel), and the phone has a 1gb mini SD card inside which has a metric crapload of games on - I suspect they are pirated.
Bizarre!

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Interesting .. I couldn't find the 'buttons' section in the settings.
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"Start -> Settings -> Buttons" is missing... hmmm.. interesting.
rossocorsa said:
I agree, the sticker looks a little suspect. What makes me also think its a knockoff (albeit good one) is the manual looks very generic (not a nice shiny front with colour picture like my Blue Angel), and the phone has a 1gb mini SD card inside which has a metric crapload of games on - I suspect they are pirated.
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Well, if you don't mind, you can open the battery and see what information you can find there.. and you can see if you can get anything from its IMEI. I think there are database in the net to check your maker based on the IMEI. I can't rememeber where I found this one before.

it look like a device running windows ce (which could explain the 5.1 thing)
what would be the test would be to install a cab file and see if it installs and works...

Pointui ?? A new wm interface ?

Hey guys, dont know if anyone has come across this yet but for those who havent it looks like there may be a new interface for your wm device. Its called Pointui but as yet theres not a lot of info just a youtube vid and some screen shots on flicker, the web site just shows a countdown to what apperes to be the new year but by the look of the screens it might be something to keep your eye on
Youtube link : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pUBWYErW3s
Flicker link :http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/
Web site :http://there-is-no-place-like-home.com/

I must say after having look at it, I'd be very intrested to try this out when its released. It looks very slick

WOW I'm surprised that there has been less buzz about this. I'm intrigued!

Yes, seems to be inspired by the iPhone but no proof to say its a Windows Mobile device?
Regards,
Carty..

If you click on the youtube uploaders username and look at the other vid you can see that its running on a Wizard
Wizard specs..
Processor: OMAP850 - 195Mhz
Memory: 128 MB of ROM and 64 MB of RAM
Should run fine on my Orbit !!

Interesting
Looks promising. I wonder if it is flash driven or C+ coded. A little strange how the video shows him sliding his finger to the right and the screen animation goes left?? That would drive me nuts!

Carty said:
Yes, seems to be inspired by the iPhone but no proof to say its a Windows Mobile device?
Regards,
Carty..
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...Also, you'll note very shortly into the demo the "Windows Mobile Settings" menu option...

I watched the video a couple of times and it seems to move very smoothly and quickly. I really like the way it works...........HAVE A HAPPY NEW YEAR.

Thanks for the positive feedback. I'd say its more inspired by frustration of what I call Windows 3.11 Syndrome and poor excuses for performance because they have limited memory and slower cpus.
Never used an iPhone, sure looks nice. Not sure about user interaction consistency across all their apps which is something we hope to achieve with our framework.
Rest assured this is running on Windows Mobile. Unlike so many others we haven't forgotten those with Windows Mobile 2003.

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...Also, you'll note very shortly into the demo the "Windows Mobile Settings" menu option...
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Plus you can see "Windows Mobile" as the second option:
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And Active Sync as option two on this one:
Anyone else have any info on this project?

dorothyg07 said:
Thanks for the positive feedback. I'd say its more inspired by frustration of what I call Windows 3.11 Syndrome and poor excuses for performance because they have limited memory and slower cpus.
Never used an iPhone, sure looks nice. Not sure about user interaction consistency across all their apps which is something we hope to achieve with our framework.
Rest assured this is running on Windows Mobile. Unlike so many others we haven't forgotten those with Windows Mobile 2003.
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Wow--amazing ui. I share your frustration with the Win 3.11 syndrome but I hate that other people keep using the iPhone comparison. The iPhone is like a new puppy--everyone loves it because it's cute and could do simple things (email, web, music, movies, pictures, oh calls too). After awhile, then what? Everyone here can name 100 things their PDA/Phone can do more than the iPhone--except on tiny little thing....and that's doing it with style! Swipe here, roll there, flip here, touch there, whatever which way.
Pointui will complete my PDA and will probably get more people to buy a Win Mobile device now that it's balanced with usability and functionality. Thanks, can't wait for Jan 1.

Dorothy, can you give us any idea as to when you'll be offering this up to the public, and are you planning this as a freeware app or will you be charging for use?

simplicity05, the answers to your questions can be found at there-is-no-place-like-home.com

I checked that just a few hours ago and all it had was a timer counting down to the new year haha!

Oh My God. This looks so freaking sweet!

Im sure you guys have clicked it but heres the link to the pointui main site http://www.pointui.com/
Says it will be available for download as soon as the clock from no place like home reaches 0. Wooo.
If it runs that fast on a 195mhz device, thats great news. All these iPhone clones run slow on my 247mhz orbit (overclocked) ... so, looking forward to this one.

Im back again
Just watched this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRw1T-N5dic
Seems it uses the standard WM phone pad, which sucks, hope they do there own phone pad/full phone system thing. Also, wonder how the text messages/email is handles, hopefully not the standard WM outlook??? Any guys in the know about this?

The scrolling/changing screens by sliding your finger seems counter-intuitive. I like how on my touch I grab and pull to the side of the cube I want, this Pointui looks like it is grab and push towards the place you want to go, very awkward...
Other than that, it looks very interesting!

Actually I think that scrolling the finger to go to the next screen is really sleek and intuitive.
And the speed is amazing! Really smooth, even on a Wizard! OMFG! These guys know how to program
From the screenshots and video I only miss some antialiasing on some text (top text saying "telstra", and some text on the initial screen), and it would be great to integrate further apps into Home, like the phone and messages (read, write, send).

I think this will be, again, one of those applications that disappoint the moment I press one of the "system menu" buttons and end up in the WM6 menu without any transition.
Becaus then, it just doesn't make any sense... Man, being all happy that you can go through the menu with your finger just to find out that if you REALLY want to make system changes you have to use the old stylus again sucks.
I think all the iPhone cloning is a massive backleash...

Official WM6.1 presentation.. ON HTC UNIVERSAL!

http://www.phonemag.com/mobile-internet-explorer-61-hands-on-at-ctia-042170.php
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LOL... I can't believe to MY EYES!

Not only that, but they demoed PIE 6, which is the new version shipping at the end of the year, which includes flash lite 3. This shows current generation devices will have enough power to run flashlite 3 when it comes out.
Surur

Any dump of that ROM???
..Maybe videocall works too!!!

lol, that's a full screen static image being displayed. Nothing shown suggests they are actually rendering you tube on the Uni.

galt said:
lol, that's a full screen static image being displayed. Nothing shown suggests they are actually rendering you tube on the Uni.
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The video also show a lovely Uni

teixeirabmb said:
The video also show a lovely Uni
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I was talking about the video. That's a still image being displayed on the screen.

galt said:
I was talking about the video. That's a still image being displayed on the screen.
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At 0:55 you can see something.. like a zoom on Universal.
And anyway: if it is a screenshot.. Why there is the green softkey for keyboard?

But Windows Mobile 6.1 will be officially released for HTC Universal?

alex783 said:
But Windows Mobile 6.1 will be officially released for HTC Universal?
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I'm optimistic but I'm sure that it won't be...

alex783 said:
But Windows Mobile 6.1 will be officially released for HTC Universal?
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Unlikely
A lot of the Original development for WM6 was done on the Universal, because thats what the Engineers at Microsoft have (and because its so awesome )
So it would appear that Microsoft's Engineers are doing dev of WM6.1 on the Universal too. While this may mean that there is not likely to be an official version; it does offer hope of some nice ROM and driver leaks...
UPDATE:
I love it how the video says "Windows Mobile Browser 6.0 on WM 6.1" and yet the site is claiming "Mobile Internet Explorer 6.1"

DJ Palmis said:
At 0:55 you can see something.. like a zoom on Universal.
And anyway: if it is a screenshot.. Why there is the green softkey for keyboard?
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At 55 seconds the presenter has changed the device that is being projected on to the larger display. The zooming you see is the person taping the event zooming THEIR camera out to capture the whole screen. The IMAGE displayed on the JasJar doesn't change except when they swap one (possibly a different unit, lol) in to view with a STATIC portrait display of a web page. The keyboard icon you see is a frequent graphic artifact in Windows Mobile, often when full screen applications are interrupted (like orientation changes) the stupid little keyboard icon appears and doesn't go away even when full screen mode is returned. I did actually see that in PIE frequently on my Uni, but i believe also in many full screen image viewers.
I guess I just chuckle when a static image of a browser feature that isn't going to be finished for 9-12 months is displayed on an old device becomes a call for a ROM dump and hope for a 6.1 upgrade for the Uni. If it was capable of rendering the YouTube video, wouldn't they have shown it playing the video? Sure the Uni might get this feature down the road, but only if the XDA hackers put one together after it's made available for other device.
*Edit - that's definitely a device swap @ 1:15: never before in the history of Windows Mobile has a Universal changed from landscape to portrait and redrawn the screen entirely in less than 1 second.

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The zooming you see is the person taping the event zooming THEIR camera out to capture the whole screen.
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Oh.. I see.. You're right.
Yes, He has two Universals. The probability of an official WM6.1 is nonexistent.
I had only an hope to dump that rom.. But you say it's a stupid picture.. Now.. I don't have even an hope!

Raphael vs Universal

Hi!
I've been using my uni from the past couple years or more and am waiting to switch to the raph. I need to wait for another 15-20 days before i can get my hands on one (and thats killing me :-( ) and until I do, I was hoping that someone who's made the jump from a uni can shed some light on how it compares.
EDIT: Most importantly, can someone compare the two keyboards???
Cheers,
San

difficult....
The Universal keyboard is superb but bigggggggggggg.
I like the Raphael keyboard very much. Had a lot of problems with the TytnII. No numbers without the function key and easily I touched one of the hardware keys, entering in a menu etc.
This is all solved by the Raphael.
I may want to remap the sms and mail key in spacebar or so. I type them accidentally now and then, entering in those programs. But I can live with it
Huib

I also have a universal and have found no other phone that is as complete as it is 3+ years on from when I got it but with the extended battery pack on I am a little sick of the brick type comments I get and fancy a change.
However the limitations of the touch diamond mean I am only seriously considering the Touch Pro but the current £500 sim free price tag is too much - waiting for some decent conrtract deals..
Is the touch pro actually that much smaller than the universal in real world use? Anyone have any pictures of them side by side?
With a Windows 6.1 rom on (tomal!) the universal it really flies, does everything I need (apart from maybe HDSPA 3g occasionally) so if anyone has both it would be great to give us some comaparisons...

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Is the touch pro actually that much smaller than the universal in real world use? Anyone have any pictures of them side by side?
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Much, much smaller. Nothing negative said about good old Universal.
But it comes with an extremely handly pouch that you can keep in your shirtpocket after having taken the Raphael out.
It is a small but very handy thing.
And you get a lot of extra tools, like GPS etc.
I also own a TytnII, and I miss some buttons, but this TouchPro ..... brrrrr.
I also believe that battery life in 3g mode is acceptable now. But I could not fully test it.
With both Universal and TytnII it was unworkable and I could only use GPRS/GSM to save battery live.
And GPRS and MSN MEssenger bite each other and were giving me many missed calls. Data and voice are impossible in GPRS mode.
Huib

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Looks a lot smaller.
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http://www.sizeasy.com/page/size_comparison/15733-HTC-Universal-vs-Apple-iPhone-vs-HTC-Touch-Pro

Thanks for the replies guys.
That sizeasy site is cool adamdon89 - I have bookmarked it
Minds made up - just need a decent offer on a UK contract now then!

If the picture doesn't do it for you, volume-wise, the Universal is ~275% the size of the Touch Pro. That is, grind some Touch Pros up (no, please don't actually try it!) and you could almost fit 3 Touch Pros in the space of the Universal.

thanks for your feedback guys!
can someone specifically answer on these lines, in comparison to a universal -
1. Overall device speed, through menus, launching proggies etc.
The uni is quite sluggish in my opinion....is the TP a lot more responsive??
2. Keyboard layout...
Minor changes, no windows key, no OK button.....does this feel like a huge loss in happiness?
3. Keyboard usability...
how does it really feel when compared to a uni's keyboard? The uni has a fairly large keyboard....now, using the TP, do you find it really hard to type on?
4. Is the OS a lot more stable?
I hope so! My Uni on wm6.1 is usually a nightmare....crashes atleast 5 times a day (i have a bad rom now i guess)
cheers & thanks again!
San

i had the Uni swapped it for a tytnII i wished i did't now i have the touch im happy again.
it is defently faster than my uni that ran wm6
the only complaint i had with the uni was its size, i find the touch just right.

BlackBerry 10 Dev Alpha : Hands-on

SOURCE : Kickedface
As a result, RIM is being tight-lipped on much of the device's specs, including the processor speed, camera megapixel count and display type. The BlackBerry 10 Dev Alpha welcome screen. Source : Asia.Cnet
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The first thing that strikes you is the bright and sharp screen. So far, we know that it's a 4.2-inch 1,280 x 768-pixel (WXGA) display, but not the type of screen or pixel layout. That brings the device's pixel density to 355 ppi, which beats the iPhone's 326 ppi Retina Display hands down.
The Dev Alpha is able to hold its own next to the Galaxy S II's Super AMOLED Plus screen
Many have dubbed the Dev Alpha a mini Playbook. The full touchscreen form factor is similar and the Dev Alpha is made from the same matte black material that covers the PlayBook's back.
While we're on the topic of RIM's tablet, the Dev Alpha seems to be running a barebones OS that's reminiscent of the PlayBook OS 2.0. In fact, checking the prototype's software version shows "PlayBook OS 10".
Since BB 10 is going to be QNX-based, there are going to be some similarities between the PlayBook OS 2.0 and the next-generation operating system. However, Smith adds that what is seen on the Dev Alpha now is not reflective of the final UI, which will actually look more like Live Tiles on Windows Phone.
This being a prototype device, the software was buggy at times, and didn't always detect our fingers. Also, there are no preinstalled apps except the camera and browser.
We didn't get to test the amazing time warp function, where you can scroll a few frames forward or backward to get the best shot. All images that were shot via the front- and rear-facing cameras also simply disappeared off the screen.
With BB OS 10, you're supposed to be getting the new onscreen keyboard. This feature wasn't available on the device we tested, but our CNET US counterpart Brian Bennett did try it, and had good things to say about it:
At first glance it doesn't look like much, just a standard layout with not many options for dual-functions. When you start typing, though--that's when the magic happens. Each letter you tap will cause the phone to display suggested words above the letter it thinks you're most likely to type next. I tried my hand at banging out a few messages and I often found myself staring right at the word sitting on the tip of my tongue. It's honestly an uncanny feeling, almost as if the device was reading my mind.
In addition, there's the ability to swipe upwards on predicted words to add them to the message body. The new keyboard is supposed to help you to input text more efficiently, as well as use a modelling algorithm that will tailor itself to your typing habits over time. It's similar to what's already on the PlayBook, only more intuitive to use.
Finally, you'll find the microSD slot, microHDMI and microUSB ports on the left side. The Dev Alpha packs some 16GB of non-expandable onboard storage and 1GB of RAM, as well as a non-removable battery. Connectivity-wise, there's the usual suite of options like Bluetooth, Wi-Fi, Internet tethering and near-field communications (NFC). Unfortunately, there isn't a SIM card slot.
If RIM's final BB 10 devices look as good as the Dev Alpha--and actually runs BB 10 OS smoothly--we feel pretty upbeat about its chances in the market. Let's just hope it doesn't follow the footsteps of the PlayBook, which received rave reviews when it was announced, but failed to perform after it was released. All images via Aisa.Cnet
To see the keyboard, and other features on BB 10, click on the video below.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=b_TZ3cdwFac

Did you get it?
In india,bb jam is on july 4th isn't it......so if we go to jam,can we get one alpha device?
NOTE:I HAVE 2 APPS ON BB APPWORLD.i am in kerala,maybe i will be coming to delhi
for bb 10 jam.....please reply